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--- Day changed Mon Aug 02 2010
20100802 00:00:13< zookeeper> i'd rather see a leadership unit in place of the striker line
20100802 00:01:13< zookeeper> also, the "blade dancer" (which is quite an anime fantasy name IMO) would seem to be a more natural advancement for the scout line
20100802 00:01:56< kevg> what is the meaning of mp_use_map_settings key?
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20100802 00:03:16< kevg> is from mp_game_settings struct
20100802 00:07:18< gabba> alink: for planned recruits, do you have an opinion on whether I should directly change the team gold when the future unit map is active, or rather store the spent gold in a separate variable that's used to alter the gold display in the top bar, and to determine which units are too expensive to recruit?
20100802 00:08:21< gabba> right now I'm going the second way, but it's gonna take a while before I nail all the places where the WB needs to intercept the code.
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20100802 00:12:06< alink> I think that changing the real gold of the team is risky, better intercept it at the topbar rendering, and at the wb recruit action (which is already wb specific)
20100802 00:14:24< alink> there is also status table, but I am not sure that you need wb future gold there
20100802 00:14:29< CIA-87> fendrin * r45086 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/units/quenoth/guard/Blade_Dancer.cfg: UtBS: Blade Dancer made a lvl2.
20100802 00:15:11< alink> and an UI indication that the topbar gold s not the current one could be nice
20100802 00:15:33< alink> s/s/is
20100802 00:16:18< alink> WML events modifying gold should ignore all wb stuff, so no need to touch that
20100802 00:18:27< alink> also it is possible that you may allow to recruit even without enough gold. if it's not my turn, I may plan my recruit expecting future turn income
20100802 00:21:26< alink> in fact, I even wonder if you should change the topbar. Do you plan to also update units and villages number according to planned wb actions ?
20100802 00:22:32< alink> another possibility is to simply show the future gold in the recruit dialog
20100802 00:23:59< alink> or the total expense since it's a sort of planned expense
20100802 00:27:00< CIA-87> ai0867 * r45087 /trunk/src/ (server/ban.hpp server/user_handler.hpp widgets/button.hpp): Make user_handler::error and gui::button::error inherit from game::error
20100802 00:28:08< gabba> alink: ok, I'm almost finished changing the top bar, I'll switch to another method if this doesn't seam practical. I'll have to find a solution for OOT recruit planning, which needs several other changes anyways.
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20100802 00:30:13< CIA-87> gabba * r45088 /trunk/src/game_display.cpp: Whiteboard: apply the future unit map during sidebar display and two other game_display methods. This allows seeing sidebar info when you hover over planned recruits.
20100802 00:30:22< CIA-87> gabba * r45089 /trunk/src/whiteboard/manager.cpp: Whiteboard: don't allow planning a new recruit while another action is executing.
20100802 00:30:26< CIA-87> gabba * r45090 /trunk/src/menu_events.cpp: 
20100802 00:30:26< CIA-87> Whiteboard/recruit: changed the place the wb intercepts recruit, and added planned unit map scopes.
20100802 00:30:26< CIA-87> Fixes being able to plan a recruit anywhere, or to plan two recruits on the same hex.
20100802 00:30:32< CIA-87> gabba * r45091 /trunk/src/whiteboard/recruit.cpp: Whiteboard: remove done @todo
20100802 00:30:37< CIA-87> gabba * r45092 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (recruit.cpp side_actions.cpp side_actions.hpp): Whiteboard: prepare for faking gold amount changes when a recruit is planned.
20100802 00:30:43< CIA-87> gabba * r45093 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Whiteboard: planned recruit gold taking into account except in top bar display.
20100802 00:30:49< CIA-87> gabba * r45094 /trunk/src/ (generate_report.cpp whiteboard/recruit.cpp): Whiteboard: planned recruit gold taken into account in top sidebar.
20100802 00:32:06< gabba> bye everybody
20100802 00:32:13< alink> gabba: vye
20100802 00:32:20< alink> s/vye/bye
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20100802 00:41:42< CIA-87> fendrin * r45095 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (2 files in 2 dirs): UtBS: Gave the twilight skirmisher ability to the Sand Sneaker.
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20100802 05:28:18-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 133 bugs, 284 feature requests, 14 patches | Wesnoth Licensing Meeting on #wesnoth-meeting at 16:00 GMT on Sunday August 1st | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20100802 07:39:39< CIA-87> silene * r45096 /trunk/data/core/macros/interface-utils.cfg: Fixed broken fog when multiple clearers are used. Bug introduced by r41452. (Patch #1796 by Anonymissimus.)
20100802 07:41:45< CIA-87> silene * r45097 /branches/1.8/data/core/macros/interface-utils.cfg: 
20100802 07:41:46< CIA-87> Fixed broken fog when multiple clearers are used. Bug introduced by r41452. (Patch #1796 by Anonymissimus.)
20100802 07:41:46< CIA-87> Backported from trunk r45096.
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20100802 08:05:58< grzywacz> invite only?
20100802 08:07:27< shadowmaster> hm?
20100802 08:10:20< grzywacz> -meeting :)
20100802 08:10:58< Upthorn> The meeting is long over, I imagine.
20100802 08:11:09< shadowmaster> yes
20100802 08:11:15< Upthorn> I was going to ask why #wesnoth-meeting isn't logged
20100802 08:11:16< shadowmaster> hence, it's now closed and redirects here
20100802 08:12:09< grzywacz> Does it? I just got a rejection, but let me retry. ;)
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20100802 08:12:22< grzywacz> apparently because I've already been here :)
20100802 08:13:55< Upthorn> shadowmaster: is there a reason that there aren't logs from the meeting publically available on http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ ?
20100802 08:14:34< Upthorn> or wesnoth.debian.net
20100802 08:15:57< shadowmaster> yes
20100802 08:19:59< Upthorn> so details of the meeting are being kept private deliberately.
20100802 08:20:18< grzywacz> hm
20100802 08:21:56< shadowmaster> I'm not allowed to disclose that information.
20100802 08:21:58< shadowmaster> you may ask noy, however.
20100802 08:22:03< shadowmaster> :P
20100802 08:22:38< noy> yes
20100802 08:22:47< noy> they were being kept private for now. 
20100802 08:22:50< noy> they are
20100802 08:23:54< Upthorn> noy: why is that? I missed the meeting because I was asleep and I wanted to see what happened
20100802 08:24:20< noy> ah, well you do have svn access
20100802 08:24:54< noy> I won't go into the contents of the meeting but we're going to write up a policy proposal based on it and have a vote
20100802 08:25:29-!- shadowmaster changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 133 bugs, 284 feature requests, 14 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100802 08:25:29< noy> I'm not going to go into it over a public channel
20100802 08:25:49< Upthorn> ok
20100802 08:25:59< grzywacz> This secrecy is a little bit disturbing.
20100802 08:27:31< shadowmaster> because we clearly arranged the meeting to get your real locations, get to your homes in the night and kidnap you all as part of a science experiment involving open source programmers and extraterrestrial lifeforms.
20100802 08:27:58< shadowmaster> we don't really want the likes of norbert_ making secondary interpretations of what was talked.
20100802 08:28:37< noy> grzywacz: the terms of the meeting were stated to be private
20100802 08:29:19< noy> so people could be free to say what they want in there and not fear having public repercussions
20100802 08:30:26< noy> so saying after the fact that the meeting's secrecy is "disturbing" is somewhat disingenuous. 
20100802 08:30:44< Upthorn> was the meeting itself open to everyone?
20100802 08:30:58< noy> no, SVN access holders only
20100802 08:31:08< Upthorn> okay. That's what had me confused
20100802 08:31:23< noy> since they hold the rights to the code base. 
20100802 08:31:53< Upthorn> I thought that it was open to everyone but then the record was being restricted, which wouldn't make very much sense at all
20100802 08:32:30< Upthorn> now that I've clarified away my misunderstanding it makes more sense.
20100802 08:32:47< noy> There will likely be a minutes or something thereabout written
20100802 08:40:40< CIA-87> upthorn * r45098 /trunk/src/ (persist_context.cpp persist_context.hpp persist_var.cpp): updated set_global_variable and get_global_variable handlers to support arrays as intended.
20100802 08:42:25< CIA-87> upthorn * r45099 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: test scenario now saves a record of village ownership, updated whenever a village is captured, and initializes the villages accordingly on start.
20100802 08:50:23< grzywacz> noy, the channel wasn't invite only, so it was private only in theory ;)
20100802 08:50:47< noy> uh yes it was
20100802 08:50:56< noy> it was invite only to svn holders
20100802 08:51:15< noy> and Rusty's email clearly stated that it was not to be made public
20100802 08:51:19< shadowmaster> grzywacz: it wasn't cmode +i, but I'd have kicked outsiders either way
20100802 08:51:53< noy> Frank discussion may preclude full release of the logs (or vice versa)
20100802 08:51:54< noy> outside the invitees, but I volunteer to write up a summary of the
20100802 08:51:54< noy> discussion and any conclusions.  Release pending approval of attendees.
20100802 08:51:54< noy> Cheers,
20100802 08:51:54< noy> Rusty.
20100802 08:52:02< noy> So yes. it was
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20100802 08:55:02< grzywacz> shadowmaster, no idea how you'd reliably verify most of 91 people who have svn access if someone really wanted to drop by uninvited.
20100802 08:56:26< shadowmaster> grzywacz: you underestimate the power of IRC and my memory.
20100802 08:56:43< grzywacz> Perhaps. :)
20100802 08:56:46< shadowmaster> I verified every single person who joined.
20100802 08:57:11< shadowmaster> and we were very few people either way.
20100802 09:02:35< noy> there was only one person who did join who didn't
20100802 09:02:40< noy> I asked him to leave
20100802 09:03:38< noy> (nicely)
20100802 09:07:42< shadowmaster> the meeting had not started yet at that point
20100802 09:07:53< shadowmaster> at least, not the "formal" meeting.
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20100802 09:20:48< timotei> morning
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20100802 09:28:44< Ivanovic> moin
20100802 09:28:50< timotei> hi Ivanovic 
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20100802 09:42:39< zookeeper> eleazar_, wrt the earthy/ashy/regular cave tiles: i'm not really sure if that'd be worth the trouble. you'd have to triple the images, for starters...i'm a bit worried about the maintenance cost of that, like when someone else wants to add a new cave terrain in the future.
20100802 09:57:55< zookeeper> woah, woah. i can reproduce http://gna.org/bugs/?16344 with r44989. it works with 1.8 though, so it'd seem as if [filter_location] find_in= is broken in trunk.
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20100802 10:05:08< mordante> servus
20100802 10:05:24< grzywacz> hey mordante 
20100802 10:05:31< mordante> hi grzywacz 
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20100802 10:16:01< CIA-87> mordante * r45100 /trunk/src/persist_context.hpp: 
20100802 10:16:01< CIA-87> Change a function signature to fix compilation.
20100802 10:16:01< CIA-87> The signature difference caused the function to be pure virtual, not
20100802 10:16:01< CIA-87> allowing an object to be created.
20100802 10:16:08< mordante> Upthorn, ^
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20100802 10:35:50< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20100802 10:35:59< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20100802 10:37:09< zookeeper> who changed the mouseover hex highlighting to use an image instead?
20100802 10:37:44< zookeeper> it breaks the editor brushes; if you use a >1hex brush, you don't see the area highlighted under the cursor anymore.
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20100802 11:13:19< fendrin> zookeeper: hi 
20100802 11:14:16< boucman> zookeeper: that was done a couple of weeks ago, not sure who did it, I think it was alink
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20100802 11:22:13< rusty> boucman, freim, Ivanovic, mordante, silene, zookeeper: please msg me your email, am sending out draft notes of meeting now...
20100802 11:22:58< boucman> rusty: boucman2 on gmail.com
20100802 11:25:47< rusty> boucman: thx!
20100802 11:27:21< rusty> OK, I am hopelss with mapping nics to real people... anyone got emails for:
20100802 11:27:37< rusty> alink, cjhopman_, eleazar_, grzywacz, ilor, mordante, Noyga, shadowmaster, silene, YogiHH, zookeeper?
20100802 11:28:18-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 134 bugs, 283 feature requests, 13 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100802 11:29:17< Ivanovic> hmm, should just be a matter of harvesting the commit ml
20100802 11:29:32< rusty> Ivanovic: good idea, I'll skim that for more mappings!
20100802 11:29:58< Ivanovic> in there some nicks differ, but most are identical
20100802 11:30:07< Ivanovic> that is: YogiHH is jhinrichs at gna
20100802 11:31:22< CIA-87> fendrin * r45101 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (8 files in 5 dirs): 
20100802 11:31:22< CIA-87> UtBS: Fixed not defined difficult level when using the new units.
20100802 11:31:22< CIA-87> Repaired some time of day name clashes.
20100802 11:31:22< CIA-87> Updates to the units.
20100802 11:32:42< CIA-87> fendrin * r45102 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/02_Across_the_Harsh_Sands.cfg: UtBS 02: Enabled the recruitment of the new quenoth elve faction.
20100802 11:35:51< rusty> Ivanovic: gah, ml archives replace domains with "domain.hid" :(
20100802 11:36:05< timotei> rusty: hehe, you can get free emails from cia.vc
20100802 11:36:08< Ivanovic> rusty: give me a min, i got them all shown here in my mail prog
20100802 11:36:21< Ivanovic> adding those to my cloacks list as additional entry...
20100802 11:37:11< timotei> rusty: http://cia.vc/stats/author/alink/.xml
20100802 11:37:17< timotei> rusty: just change the <nick>
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20100802 11:38:38< rusty> timotei: neat!  WTF is that?
20100802 11:38:46< timotei> spam list :))
20100802 11:38:59< timotei> don't know why cia puts publicy that emails...
20100802 11:39:12< timotei> since I have my email listed on the list I get spam :(
20100802 11:39:20< timotei> though never before got any
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20100802 11:54:27< boucman> thespaceinvader: around ?
20100802 11:54:34< thespaceinvader> indeed
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20100802 11:58:54< boucman> thespaceinvader: did you handle lurker and the credits ?
20100802 11:59:01< thespaceinvader> not yet no
20100802 11:59:10< thespaceinvader> he only got back to me yesterday, so I'll add him this morning
20100802 11:59:37< boucman> ok, I was about to ask him for details, but in that case i'll let you handle it
20100802 11:59:39< CIA-87> fendrin * r45103 /trunk/ (10 files in 3 dirs): 
20100802 11:59:39< CIA-87> Introduced the new "Liminal" alignment.
20100802 11:59:39< CIA-87> Units spezialized on the twilight times of day belong to it.
20100802 11:59:54< noy> Ivanovic: you're not online for me so I can't reply
20100802 11:59:56< boucman> (not sure who handles titles, though... is that you ?)
20100802 12:00:09< Ivanovic> huh?!?
20100802 12:00:12< Ivanovic> i am online...
20100802 12:00:55< boucman> thespaceinvader: never mind, lurker is in blue, so it has been done (the title part)
20100802 12:01:02< thespaceinvader> yep that was done
20100802 12:01:08< thespaceinvader> i need to add his name to the credits too
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20100802 12:13:30< fendrin> zookeeper: Do you consider it a good idea to reuse the Guard's spear for the Sentry and Sentinel and define that it is usable as a two handed and as a single handed weapon?
20100802 12:25:58< CIA-87> thespaceinvader * r45104 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: Update credits
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20100802 13:09:53< CIA-87> fendrin * r45105 /trunk/src/ (actions.cpp menu_events.cpp unit.cpp unit_types.cpp): Fixed missing code for the liminal alignment.
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20100802 13:11:25< mordante> fendrin, what kind of alignment is the liminal?
20100802 13:11:53< fendrin> mordante: Liminal units are better at the twilight times of day.
20100802 13:12:51< mordante> and during day and night?
20100802 13:13:43< fendrin> mordante: They stay at normal. But that is up to the campaign designer by specifing a tod schedule that brings the alignement in use.
20100802 13:15:54< mordante> ok, and it needs code support to make the engine aware of the new type, but the author can still specify what it exactly does?
20100802 13:16:18< fendrin> mordante: Exactly.
20100802 13:16:57< mordante> ok
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20100802 13:17:52< fendrin> mordante: It works nearly in the same way the lawful/chaotic alignments are handled except that there is no counterpart to the liminal alignment right now.
20100802 13:18:26< mordante> I just wondered why the engine had to be modified for a new alignment, didn't know/realize it's party hard-coded
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20100802 13:21:17< fendrin> mordante: zookeeper came up with wml that let's you define costum alignments. But it is a medium hard task. Adding liminal hardcoded was quite easy.
20100802 13:24:20< mordante> I just dislike hard-coded things in the engine, the more can be done with WML the more can be tweaked
20100802 13:28:14< fendrin> mordante: Right. I see if I can find the time to implement the custom alignments at a later time. It's quite promising.
20100802 13:28:35< Crab_> fendrin: opps, take a look at http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/src/unit.cpp?rev=45105&view=diff&r1=45105&r2=45104&p1=trunk/src/unit.cpp&p2=/trunk/src/unit.cpp
20100802 13:28:52< Crab_> it looks like you've missed a break after  case unit_type::LIMINAL:
20100802 13:29:23< fendrin> Crab_: Good you spotted it. Thank you.
20100802 13:30:38< CIA-87> fendrin * r45106 /trunk/src/unit.cpp: Fixed a missing brake in a switch case construct, spotted by Crab.
20100802 13:34:17< mordante> would be cool fendrin 
20100802 13:37:03< mordante> fendrin, the liminal bonus is always 0... another case another break ;-)
20100802 13:37:23< fendrin> mordante: Please point my to the file and line :-)
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20100802 13:38:00< mordante> fendrin, actions.cpp around line 1986 (looking at the commit mail)
20100802 13:38:51-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: happygrue
20100802 13:39:01< zookeeper> fendrin, umm, why did you enable the recruitment of the new elves? AFAICT they're still completely WIP.
20100802 13:39:27< mordante> fendrin, I can also commit the fix if you want
20100802 13:39:54< fendrin> mordante: yes please do so.
20100802 13:40:01< mordante> fendrin, ok I will
20100802 13:40:23< zookeeper> fendrin, and i don't know about the spear
20100802 13:41:15< fendrin> zookeeper: They are not enabled by default. It's a special difficult level that features them. I am going to keep the current gameplay as long as needed on the "normal" difficult levels.
20100802 13:43:53< zookeeper> okay
20100802 13:50:25< CIA-87> mordante * r45107 /trunk/src/actions.cpp: Add another missing break introduced in r45105.
20100802 13:50:40< mordante> fendrin, ^
20100802 13:50:43< mordante> afk
20100802 13:50:49< fendrin> mordante: Thank you :-)
20100802 13:50:55< mordante> you're welcome
20100802 13:51:29< timotei> hi fendrin 
20100802 13:51:37< fendrin> hi timotei
20100802 13:51:43< timotei> fendrin: how are you doing?
20100802 13:51:59< fendrin> timotei: I am fine, thank you. What on your side?
20100802 13:52:07< timotei> fendrin: wanted to ask something
20100802 13:52:10< timotei> fendrin: With the insertion of the closing tag all mandatory attributes that can be determined are inserted with the type of the attribute added as the value but commented.
20100802 13:52:32< timotei> fendrin: this is in the editor page, for autcompleting
20100802 13:52:49< timotei> fendrin: how does it work that 'commented' thing?
20100802 13:52:59< timotei> [campaing <tab>
20100802 13:53:08< timotei> #id=defaultID
20100802 13:53:09< timotei> ?
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20100802 14:03:03< GNUtoo|laptop> hi, what dependency am I missing if I've that:
20100802 14:03:04< GNUtoo|laptop> 20100802 13:56:46 error audio: Could not load music file '/usr/share/wesnoth/data/core/music/breaking_the_chains.ogg': Couldn't read from '/usr/share/wesnoth/data/core/music/breaking_the_chains.ogg'
20100802 14:03:24< GNUtoo|laptop> http://pastebin.com/4RXhVKxF
20100802 14:03:29< GNUtoo|laptop> here's some sdl-mixer ldd
20100802 14:03:43< GNUtoo|laptop> btw I got an answer for the instrument
20100802 14:03:47< GNUtoo|laptop> it was a clarinet
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20100802 14:05:04< GNUtoo|laptop> I just installed tremor
20100802 14:05:19< GNUtoo|laptop> here's libsdl compilation options:
20100802 14:05:40< GNUtoo|laptop> --disable-music-mp3 --enable-music-ogg --enable-music-ogg-tremor --enable-music-mp3-mad-gpl
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20100802 14:20:04< GNUtoo|laptop> note that tremor,libogg are installed on the target
20100802 14:24:52< Rhonda> It would had been a good idea to send the mail in Bcc to the people.  *aehem*
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20100802 14:40:36< fendrin> timotei: hmmm
20100802 14:40:54< fendrin> timotei: I think that is not a good idea to do. I mean the complete workflow.
20100802 14:41:10< timotei> fendrin: well, I want to make it somehow, like java templates
20100802 14:41:14< timotei> after autocompleting
20100802 14:41:20< timotei> with tab you go through completing values
20100802 14:41:39< timotei> so, not commenting, but allowing the user to quickly switch through values of key 
20100802 14:43:14< fendrin> timotei: At the time a tag is opened you should add the closing line. That is also the time to insert all mandatory attributes. That way you don't need to look after commented attributes since there can't be any in the newly created tag.
20100802 14:43:44< timotei> hmm, that's how it works now
20100802 14:43:59< fendrin> Then I don't get your question.
20100802 14:45:36< timotei> I don't get the part with commented values. how should that be done (if we are doing it anymor)
20100802 14:45:38< GNUtoo|laptop> what deps are needed for playing wesnoth music? is my libsdl-mixer ok?
20100802 14:45:40< GNUtoo|laptop> http://pastebin.com/4RXhVKxF
20100802 14:45:43< fendrin> timotei: Okay, understood. Well, you should not look at commented attributes. A user might want to keep a commented attribute but insert the some one uncommented. 
20100802 14:46:00< fendrin> s/some/same
20100802 14:48:52< timotei> hmm ok
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20100802 16:00:33< CIA-87> fendrin * r45108 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
20100802 16:00:33< CIA-87> UtBS:
20100802 16:00:33< CIA-87> Unit updates.
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20100802 16:35:27< eleazar_> zookeeper: yes it was alink who changed the hex highlighter, and yes something still needs to be done with the editor brushes, and a couple of other situations.
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20100802 16:35:42< eleazar_> i'll make a bug report
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20100802 16:40:43< eleazar_> zookeeper: also the cave variants i proposed will be a lot of work, but they shouldn't make adding future terrains any harder.  I foresee no special cave-to-cave transitions being needed.  I have a new way to cut wall images that allows them to blend without additional pieces
20100802 16:41:45< timotei> Crab_: hey:)
20100802 16:45:18< zookeeper> eleazar_, ok...well, if you want to do it, then sure. it just seems like a fairly big pile of new images and work for relatively little gain (IMO).
20100802 16:45:41< zookeeper> (and as you probably noticed, i filed a bug report for the highlighter already)
20100802 16:45:51< eleazar_> caves are much more monotonous than outdoors maps
20100802 16:45:59< eleazar_> zookeeper: yeah i noticed
20100802 16:49:32< Crab_> timotei: yes ?
20100802 16:50:21< timotei> Crab_: since you were gsoc student, and now you're a mentor, I have the following question: "August 9: 	
20100802 16:50:22< timotei> Suggested 'pencils down' date." Does this mean I cannot anymore code? :-S
20100802 16:50:41< Crab_> timotei: you can, and you should :)
20100802 16:50:57< timotei> Crab_: besides test/documentation/fixes?
20100802 16:51:22< Crab_> timotei: it's just "you should check with your mentor if there's any *required* items you need to finish for him to be happy", and, gradually, you should start to wrap-up things to have working code at the end.
20100802 16:51:51< timotei> Crab_: aha. Thanks
20100802 16:52:01< Crab_> timotei: but, it's not a reason to stop coding, for coding is fun :)
20100802 16:52:07< timotei> yeah
20100802 16:52:23< timotei> especially when you start grasping on how things really work:D
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20100802 16:53:57< mordante> timotei, you can continue coding even after the pencils down date only you will be judged upon what you achieved at that date
20100802 16:54:16< mordante> and preferable everything is completely ready at that date
20100802 16:54:24 * mordante loves to dream ;-)
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20100802 16:55:49< timotei21> mordante: well, I will still code whether gsoc is ended or not
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20100802 16:57:00< timotei> mordante: I love to see the plugin evolving :D
20100802 16:57:27< mordante> good :-)
20100802 16:58:25< timotei> mordante: did billy finished already?:D
20100802 16:59:46< mordante> no he's also still busy only instead of downscaling his project it was scaled up for technical reasons :-(
20100802 17:00:32< timotei> oh damn
20100802 17:09:45< CIA-87> fendrin * r45109 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/units/quenoth/ (Nym.cfg _main.cfg): UtBS: Added Nym variations to the quenoth elves.
20100802 17:12:25< CIA-87> fendrin * r45110 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/utils/abilities.cfg: UtBS: Added the twilight ambush ability.
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20100802 17:35:33< boucman> back...
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20100802 17:52:26< billynux> hi all, mordante 
20100802 17:55:02< timotei> hi billynux :D
20100802 17:55:11< billynux> hi timotei 
20100802 17:56:37< CIA-87> fendrin * r45111 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/units/quenoth/Nym.cfg: UtBS: Fixed a non working macro in the Nym definition.
20100802 18:00:53< billynux> mordante, brb, 30': I'll try to start on new implementation for server.cpp & multiplayer.cpp to use the network_async.hpp API today. I haven't been much around lately
20100802 18:04:03< mordante> hi billynux 
20100802 18:05:15< mordante> billynux, I'm about to have dinner, will be ready in 30 minutes
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20100802 18:23:55< norbert_> esr: Kallikanzarid thinks Delfador is portrayed as too powerful and otherwise perfect; http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=31011
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20100802 18:36:09< zookeeper> well, he's right, delfador is a pretty boring character
20100802 18:47:58< mordante> billynux, you ping me when you're ready?
20100802 18:48:19< billynux> mordante, I'm having luch, but otherwise ready :)
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20100802 19:20:39< CIA-87> kevg * r45112 /trunk/ (changelog src/multiplayer_connect.cpp): Fixed #15781: now player can`t choose side with allow_player=no key in mp
20100802 19:23:32< mordante> billynux, around?
20100802 19:23:42< billynux> mordante, yes
20100802 19:23:51< billynux> mordante, I'm done with lunch
20100802 19:24:03< mordante> billynux, left some info in a query
20100802 19:24:23< billynux> "in a query"? 
20100802 19:24:51< mordante> which irc client do you use?
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20100802 19:25:19< mordante> there should be a tab/sheet whatever with mordante on it
20100802 19:26:05< billynux> ah, I see, xchat
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20100802 19:56:47< timotei> ah, my head hurts :( I hate ...'current'
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20100802 20:13:06< mordante> I'm off bye
20100802 20:16:00< timotei> bye mordante 
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20100802 20:27:40< AI0867> silene: is there a reason why game::error contains an std::string, while game::exception uses a const char*?
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20100802 20:34:09< silene> AI0867: because i couldn't imagine a case where a std::string would be necessary for control-flow, so i choose a simpler type
20100802 20:35:08< AI0867> and game::error?
20100802 20:36:32< silene> AI0867: because it often contains the reason of the error: e.g. invalid 'something' when 'something else', so it has to be built on the fly
20100802 20:36:48< AI0867> because I have a case where an error (not inheriting from game::error yet) is caught and the message is wrapped in an exception before being rethrown
20100802 20:37:46< silene> which case is that?
20100802 20:37:47< AI0867> of course, the moment the error is destructed, the result of c_str() will too, but if I allocate more memory, it'll leak
20100802 20:38:04< AI0867> incorrect_map_format_exception and t_translation::error
20100802 20:38:10< AI0867> the former is in map_exception.hpp
20100802 20:38:15< silene> AI0867: nothing prevents you to add fields
20100802 20:38:45< AI0867> true, but there's already a message field in there, I can point it to an internal string, but...
20100802 20:39:21< silene> AI0867: why do you think it should be converted to an exception and not to an error?
20100802 20:39:31< AI0867> because it's used for control flow
20100802 20:39:49< AI0867> comments say that the error is mostly uncaught
20100802 20:40:11< AI0867> but if t_translation catches it, the exception is thrown and used for control flow
20100802 20:40:15< silene> AI0867: note that all the other exceptions are never errors, they are all silently handled, they are purely control flow (in other words, goto)
20100802 20:42:44< silene> AI0867: after looking at the code, i think it should be converted to an error (and the comments agree with me: "We re-throw the error but as map error.")
20100802 20:48:16< kevg> Ivanovic: about your proposal #16343. Should wmllint remove translation mark in case of _ "" ? And currently it works not only with description key but with all translatable keys. Should wmllint change its behaviour with another keys too?
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20100802 20:50:28< silene> kevg: _"" is never correct
20100802 20:50:52< silene> (it displays the translation internal data)
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20100802 20:54:05< kevg> silene: would it be bad if i commit the fix while bug is assigned to esr?
20100802 20:55:16< silene> kevg: it depends, look at the history of the bug report, if he didn't assign it to himself, you can safely expects he doesn't work and you can reassign to you
20100802 20:55:40< kevg> silene: ok. thanks
20100802 20:58:48< kevg> silene: the history says "No Changes Have Been Made to This Item". It means it was assigned while creating?
20100802 20:58:57< silene> yes
20100802 21:03:38< Ivanovic> re
20100802 21:03:51< Ivanovic> kevg: yeah, i directly talked to esr and assigned it to him then (was yesterday)
20100802 21:04:07< Ivanovic> kevg: that is: at that time he planned to work on it that evening, which would have been some 10 to 12h ago
20100802 21:04:12< CIA-87> timotei * r45113 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml/src/org/wesnoth/validation/WMLJavaValidator.java: 
20100802 21:04:12< CIA-87> eclipse plugin: fix the validator for nested tag names.
20100802 21:04:12< CIA-87> It should get the parent to check for tag name
20100802 21:04:12< CIA-87> timotei * r45114 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml/src/org/wesnoth/formatting/WMLFormatter.java: eclipse plugin: add basic formatiing for wml files
20100802 21:04:12< CIA-87> timotei * r45115 /trunk/utils/java/ (4 files in 4 dirs): eclipse plugin: add tag's keys to autocomplete proposal
20100802 21:04:13< CIA-87> timotei * r45116 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml.ui/src/org/wesnoth/ui/contentassist/WMLProposalProvider.java: eclipse plugin:add only required tag attributes to complete proposal
20100802 21:04:14< CIA-87> timotei * r45117 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/changelog: eclipse plugin: update the changelog
20100802 21:04:14< CIA-87> timotei * r45118 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml.ui/src/org/wesnoth/ui/contentassist/WMLProposalProvider.java: eclipse plugin:prevent ugly proposal, by trimming newlines from indent
20100802 21:04:19< CIA-87> timotei * r45119 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml.ui/src/org/wesnoth/ui/ (WMLUiModule.java autoedit/ autoedit/WMLAutoEditStrategy.java): eclipse plugin: remove some of the default autoedit strategies
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20100802 21:04:31< CIA-87> timotei * r45120 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml.ui/src/org/wesnoth/ui/contentassist/WMLProposalProvider.java: eclipse plugin:add completion for WMLTag rule
20100802 21:04:44< CIA-87> timotei * r45121 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml.ui/src/org/wesnoth/ui/contentassist/WMLProposalProvider.java: eclipse plugin: change parameter's name to a better one
20100802 21:05:05< CIA-87> timotei * r45122 /trunk/utils/java/ (13 files in 7 dirs): eclipse plugin: Allow empty parameters sent to macros
20100802 21:05:09< Ivanovic> and as silene already said, the empty string (aka "") musn't be translateable (_ with any number of tabs/spaces right before the "")
20100802 21:05:19< CIA-87> timotei * r45123 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml.ui/src/org/wesnoth/ui/contentassist/WMLProposalProvider.java: eclipse plugin: add completion for key names
20100802 21:05:31< CIA-87> timotei * r45124 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml.ui/ (5 files in 4 dirs): eclipse plugin: add some icons for distinction between tags and keys
20100802 21:05:46< CIA-87> timotei * r45125 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml.ui/ (3 files in 3 dirs): eclipse plugin: 'next_scenario' completion - part I
20100802 21:07:02< kevg> Ivanovic: so, its better to leave bug to esr?
20100802 21:07:19< Ivanovic> kevg: i am sure that esr won't complain if it is suddenly fixed
20100802 21:07:27< Ivanovic> as long as this is clear in the report itself
20100802 21:07:31< kevg> :)
20100802 21:12:02< CIA-87> timotei * r45126 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml.ui/ (4 files in 2 dirs): update properties :)
20100802 21:12:50< timotei> I'm out
20100802 21:12:52< timotei> good night
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20100802 21:14:06< CIA-87> ivanovic * r45127 /trunk/po/wesnoth-low/ja.po: updated Japanese translation
20100802 21:14:10< CIA-87> ivanovic * r45128 /branches/1.8/po/wesnoth-low/ja.po: updated Japanese translation
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20100802 21:40:02< noy> Ivanovic: approximately how many lines of code does the project have?
20100802 21:40:16< noy> like ballpark, nothing specific
20100802 21:40:57< Ivanovic> noy: no idea
20100802 21:41:11< noy> ah well
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20100802 22:19:46< CIA-87> kevg * r45129 /trunk/ (changelog data/tools/wmllint): Fixed #16343: now wmlling doesn`t add translate mark to empty strings and removes translate marks from empty strings
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