--- Log opened Fri Aug 13 00:00:32 2010
20100813 00:00:50< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I ran this: rsync -avP -e ssh wesnoth_compile_mac_1.9.zip  crimsonpenguin,wesnoth@frs.sourceforge.net:/home/frs/project/w/we/wesnoth/unofficial/Mac\ Compile\ Stuff
20100813 00:01:05< crimson_penguin> which made the file unofficial/Mac
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20100813 00:03:33< anonymissimus> Elvish_Pillage2: ?
20100813 00:03:39< Elvish_Pillage2> ?
20100813 00:03:44< anonymissimus> :)
20100813 00:03:49< Elvish_Pillage2> :o
20100813 00:03:55< anonymissimus> i need the test for valid units
20100813 00:04:06< anonymissimus> what you asked silene recently
20100813 00:04:09< Elvish_Pillage2> oh
20100813 00:04:18< gabba> anonymissimus: what's the bug you and silene were referring to, exactly?
20100813 00:04:24< anonymissimus> I have a proxy unit which I need to test whether its still valid
20100813 00:04:26< Elvish_Pillage2> yeah what silene gave didn't exactly work, I'll look up what I made
20100813 00:04:58< anonymissimus> gabba: do you mean the display thing ?
20100813 00:05:04< gabba> anonymissimus: yes
20100813 00:05:13< Elvish_Pillage2> anonymissimus: local function dummy() return u.x end; local check = pcall(dummy); return check
20100813 00:06:03< anonymissimus> gabba: I'll build you a testcase
20100813 00:07:59< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: fixed; just downloaded it on my server, reuploaded properly, then deleted the old one
20100813 00:09:08< gabba> silene: if you think I caused a bug, I'd appreciate more info
20100813 00:09:21< boucman> gabba: you seem to have som misalignments...
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20100813 00:10:17< gabba> boucman: yeah...
20100813 00:10:44< boucman> hmm, we have a ghost left behind whem moving units in trunk, i'll have to discuss this with silene (it only appears with real moves, so probably not WB related....
20100813 00:11:03< boucman> gabba: will you be around this WE ?
20100813 00:11:11< gabba> yes, I'll be around
20100813 00:11:34< anonymissimus> gabba: lua wesnoth.put_unit(34, 4, wesnoth.get_units({x = 33, y = 4})[1])
20100813 00:12:01< anonymissimus> write that in the command line in debug mode, there must be a unit at 34,4 (in this case)
20100813 00:12:16< anonymissimus> 33,4 I mean
20100813 00:12:22< boucman> gabba: cool, i'll probably be too (sure for saturday, not sure for sunday, but likely)
20100813 00:12:29< gabba> boucman: do you know any artist who would be interested to make better arrows for the wb (even if they are basic, at least not messed up like my current ones)
20100813 00:12:34< anonymissimus> then the unit display gets messed up somehow
20100813 00:12:52< gabba> anonymissimus: thanks, I'll look at that tomorrow
20100813 00:12:56< anonymissimus> the base image remains at the old position
20100813 00:13:29< anonymissimus> while the ellipse and other stuff is at the new one
20100813 00:13:46< gabba> anonymissimus: is there a way to test that lua code in-game, or do I have to put it into a scenario?
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20100813 00:13:57< anonymissimus> clicking on teh new position and hovering over the old obe saves it though
20100813 00:13:58< boucman> gabba: not of the top of my head... my best guess is that you could post a zip with a working set so artists have reference on the art forum (art contrib, since it's a simple job) and see if anybody posts better versions
20100813 00:14:19< anonymissimus> you can test it ingame, that's the :lua command
20100813 00:14:27< anonymissimus> no need for a scenario
20100813 00:14:39< boucman> gabba: is the misalignment an engine problem, or is it an error on the frames ?
20100813 00:15:00< gabba> boucman: eleazar did ask at some point if we needed artistic help, so maybe he's interested or knows someone who could help
20100813 00:15:24< boucman> gabba: did he ? in that case you could ping him first on the subject
20100813 00:15:57< eleazar> i'll take a look at it-- but there's a few terrain things i want to finish first
20100813 00:16:19< gabba> boucman: it's an error on the frames - I just prolonged the arrow to the border, but without a more elaborate setup in the GIMP, aligning that stuff is very hard
20100813 00:17:08< gabba> eleazar: thanks, it would be very appreciated
20100813 00:17:13< boucman> gabba: I count pixel using the mesuring tool :P
20100813 00:18:02< boucman> gabba: what do we have left until monday ? I can't think of anything critical... we need to polish the UI, look for bugs, anything else ?
20100813 00:18:11< boucman> cleanup reordering vs recruit/recall maybe
20100813 00:18:34< gabba> yeah, I could've been more patient but the whole arrow rework thing already took 12 hrs or so
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20100813 00:19:46< gabba> boucman: there's a few bugs to fix with recruit/recall vs reordering unit; 
20100813 00:19:55< boucman> no big deal, I might do some adjusting if I have time this WE (while you're asleap for example)
20100813 00:19:57< gabba> also, I want to add a warning when moving your leader away from the keep with a real move when you have planned recruits;
20100813 00:21:28< gabba> boucman: Then I could look into putting back multi-turn planned moves, but it breaks a few handy assumptions in my code (such as path cost)
20100813 00:21:34< boucman> ok... that warning would be cool if recruit planning is confusing...
20100813 00:22:14< boucman> gabba: i'd rather have you work on cumulative probability (unless multi-turn is trivial to re-add)
20100813 00:22:17< gabba> and I guess adding some right-click menus for whiteboard actions wouldn't hurt
20100813 00:22:24< boucman> if only one can make it before monday
20100813 00:23:12< boucman> yes, right clicks/real keyboard shortcuts when possible would be a great thing to have (probably more usefull than multi-turn/cumulative prob)
20100813 00:23:42< gabba> Lastly but maybe most importantly, (Crab_ and silene's idea) there was the idea of disabling "delay shroud updates" and replacing it's menu option(s) by one that enables the whiteboard. Then it'd get more testing, and we can know if it's a compelling replacement.
20100813 00:24:15< gabba> "disabling" would just mean turning the option off, not ripping out the code of course
20100813 00:24:19< boucman> makes sense... and should be easy to do..
20100813 00:24:52< boucman> ok, I need to go now, i'll see you tomorow
20100813 00:25:01< gabba> I'm leaving too actually, see you
20100813 00:25:07< gabba> bye all
20100813 00:25:08< boucman> g'night
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20100813 00:31:52< gabba> silene: ok, I saw the bug with moving units, but I'm not sure how it could be whiteboard related. I'll take a look tomorrow.
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20100813 01:22:46< CIA-49> zookeeper * r45545 /trunk/data/campaigns/Sceptre_of_Fire/scenarios/1_A_Bargain_is_Struck.cfg: Fixed Haldric talking about gold when he meant the silver.
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20100813 01:58:55< Upth> So... I have a problem. Some electrical issue with my laptop's power receptacle is causing power supply plugs to overheat catastrophically.
20100813 02:18:31< loonycyborg> Maybe it makes an electric arc :P
20100813 02:19:30< loonycyborg> Probably that receptacle somehow got deformed.
20100813 02:20:02< Upth> loonycyborg: that is exactly what happened
20100813 02:20:21< Upth> the plug on my powersupply started to melt
20100813 02:20:42< Upth> so now I am ordering an external enclosure for the hard drive
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20100813 02:31:22< eleazar> crimson_penguin: around?  I'm trying to compile from your new project
20100813 02:31:31< crimson_penguin> eleazar: hey
20100813 02:31:34< eleazar> got 1800 errors
20100813 02:31:38< crimson_penguin> wow, good timing
20100813 02:31:47< crimson_penguin> eleazar: did you read the readme?
20100813 02:31:52< eleazar> yeah
20100813 02:31:58< crimson_penguin> ok, what are the errors?
20100813 02:32:39< eleazar> lib/SDL.framework/Headers/SDL_mutex.h:106:0 lib/SDL.framework/Headers/SDL_mutex.h:106: error: 'Uint32' has not been declared
20100813 02:32:57< eleazar> a lot of stuff like that, do you want the whole thing in pastebin?
20100813 02:34:35< eleazar> http://pastebin.com/7EgrQbXc
20100813 02:37:55< loonycyborg> 'error: string: No such file or directory' LOL you seem to miss basic system headers somehow.
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20100813 02:38:16< crimson_penguin> eleazar: ok, which configuration are you using?
20100813 02:38:28< crimson_penguin> clearly you're using an SDK that doesn't exist (I think)
20100813 02:38:42< eleazar> "release"
20100813 02:38:47< crimson_penguin> try Debug
20100813 02:38:57< crimson_penguin> did you read the whole readme? ;)
20100813 02:39:10< eleazar> yeah
20100813 02:39:19< crimson_penguin> well I don't think you have the 10.4 SDK
20100813 02:39:23< crimson_penguin> you wanna build Debug anyway
20100813 02:39:29< eleazar> that doesn't mean neccesarily i understood the whole thing ;)
20100813 02:39:41< crimson_penguin> yeah, I guess I was a little terse
20100813 02:39:53< crimson_penguin> brb
20100813 02:40:04< eleazar> i probably have 1.4 somewhere
20100813 02:40:25< crimson_penguin> Mac OS X 10.4 SDK
20100813 02:40:31< crimson_penguin> not Wesnoth 1.4
20100813 02:40:33< eleazar> compiling with debug config
20100813 02:40:38< crimson_penguin> anyway, you don't need it, just change to Debug :)
20100813 02:42:10< eleazar> do i need to close the "Target Wesnoth Info" window for it to take?
20100813 02:42:31< eleazar> crimson_penguin: i just got the same number of errors
20100813 02:44:35< eleazar> closeing the window doesn't mater
20100813 02:46:07< crimson_penguin> no, you just need to change the active configuration, you don't need to open that window in the first place
20100813 02:46:23< crimson_penguin> in the build window on the main window, there's a drop down menu where you can select Debug
20100813 02:46:48< eleazar> yeah i did that
20100813 02:47:10< eleazar> i just wasn't sure if the setting was "saved"-- but apparently it is
20100813 02:48:06< crimson_penguin> hmm
20100813 02:52:19< eleazar> away for a bit...
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20100813 03:32:55< crimson_penguin> eleazar: wanna past your new error log?
20100813 03:33:04< eleazar> sure
20100813 03:36:29< eleazar> pastebin is slow
20100813 03:37:09< eleazar> i found my Tiger installer disc, but the installer packages just lock up
20100813 03:41:04< eleazar> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/adQJXDRc
20100813 03:41:17< eleazar> crimson_penguin: finally!
20100813 03:41:23< crimson_penguin> oh really? what'd you do?
20100813 03:41:39< eleazar> i had to convert the clipboard to plain text before pastbin would stop choking on it
20100813 03:42:14< crimson_penguin> ohhh
20100813 03:42:20< crimson_penguin> I thought you'd compiled it
20100813 03:42:42< eleazar> heh --- unfortunately not
20100813 03:45:13< crimson_penguin> well that's kinda ridiculous, it seems like you need to reinstall Xcode or something
20100813 04:00:18< eleazar> crimson_penguin: thanks.  I'll give installing the 1.4 SKD another try tommorrow
20100813 04:00:26< crimson_penguin> 10.4 ;)
20100813 04:00:48< eleazar> yeah, that's what i mean
20100813 04:00:59< crimson_penguin> you shouldn't need the 10.4 SDK, but it seems like you don't have any SDK at all
20100813 04:01:24< eleazar> oh?
20100813 04:01:47< crimson_penguin> eleazar: actually, could you tell me what you have in /Developer/SDKs?
20100813 04:02:39< eleazar> MacOSX10.4u.sdk
20100813 04:02:49< eleazar> also .5 and .6
20100813 04:03:00< crimson_penguin> huh, well that should be all good then...
20100813 04:03:10< crimson_penguin> that's all I have
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20100813 04:09:31< fendrin> eleazar: I am wondering if you do anything to the hill tiles.
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20100813 04:59:05< crimson_penguin> eleazar: try setting the SDK to 10.6 specifically
20100813 04:59:24< crimson_penguin> eleazar: go into the Edit Active Target thing, and change the Base SDK
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20100813 07:50:41< timotei> morning
20100813 07:51:59< fendrin> timotei: hi
20100813 07:52:03< timotei> fendrin: hey
20100813 07:52:15< timotei> fendrin: at last we have the first 'official' bug spotted:P
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20100813 07:52:22< fendrin> timotei: :-)
20100813 07:53:18< fendrin> timotei: When you read the logs you will discover that crab can't start the plugin at all. Some gtk related exception in the stacktrace. He pasted on pastebin.
20100813 07:53:37< timotei> fendrin: yes. I'll read the logs soon. right now reading emails and stuff like this + eating
20100813 07:54:48< fendrin> timotei: I really would like to do some testing but it's that slow that I can't work with it. 
20100813 07:54:55< timotei> fehmm
20100813 07:54:57< timotei> fendrin: hmm.
20100813 07:55:10< fendrin> Sometimes it quits with an heap memory exception.
20100813 07:55:17< timotei> fendrin: I'll switch over to sabayon, so see if there are any issues like yours.
20100813 07:55:26< timotei> fendrin: oh. good
20100813 07:55:30< timotei> fendrin: I think what's that
20100813 07:55:31< timotei> :)
20100813 07:55:46< fendrin> timotei: I am using the sun java and helios. 
20100813 07:55:46< timotei> fendrin: I will deactive the xtext builder until we really need it
20100813 07:56:06< fendrin> timotei: Yes, that is a good idea.
20100813 07:56:12< timotei> fendrin: they have some problems like this, and will be fixed in xtext 1.0.1, that is at the end of august. but till that I'll just disable it
20100813 07:56:22< timotei> fendrin: btw, for a temporary fix
20100813 07:56:33< timotei> fendrin: right click on each project, and there is the Builders tab
20100813 07:56:49< timotei> disable the xtext project builder on all of them, and restart the embedded eclipse.
20100813 07:56:59< fendrin> timotei: Let's focus on the working set thing and have a nice setup experience for the user.
20100813 07:57:17< timotei> fendrin: well, it's just some... 3 places where to remove one line of code.
20100813 07:57:33< timotei> fendrin: please try the upper method of disabling the builder, so to see if that's the real issue
20100813 07:57:43< fendrin> timotei: okay
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20100813 08:01:18< timotei> Ivanovic: ping
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20100813 08:07:41< fendrin> timotei: That should disable all syntax highlighting, right?
20100813 08:07:47< timotei> fendrin: no.
20100813 08:08:21< timotei> fendrin: it's just a builder that builds up a cache and stuff. but it seems the config files are too many/big for it, yet
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20100813 08:39:19< timotei> Crab_: it seems a problem from your linux. Here should be a fix: http://blog.loxal.net/2009/04/eclipse-32-bit-gwt-gtk-configuration-on_12.html
20100813 08:39:27< timotei> Crab_: I've had that problem on linux too, once
20100813 08:40:04< shadowmaster> ohhhh
20100813 08:40:30< shadowmaster> timotei: thank you!
20100813 08:40:39< timotei> shadowmaster: what?
20100813 08:40:49< shadowmaster> that page you just inked.
20100813 08:41:05< timotei> shadowmaster: hmmm. let me recall:D
20100813 08:41:18< shadowmaster> it solves my problem here with a 32-bit build of qtcurve not being used by 32-bit gtk2 apps, which instead fall back to the builtin theme engine
20100813 08:41:24< timotei> oh
20100813 08:41:57< timotei> fendrin: it must be something from crab_'s machine. hope the link I gave solves it
20100813 08:42:18< timotei> shadowmaster: yw
20100813 08:42:34< shadowmaster> s/(inked)/l$1/
20100813 08:42:54< timotei> shadowmaster: thanks for pointing it out the 'assign to ' stuff
20100813 08:43:21< shadowmaster> no problem
20100813 08:44:30< timotei> shadowmaster: hmm. it is possible to add another category to the bug tracker?
20100813 08:44:43< timotei> Item Group:  
20100813 08:44:49< timotei> to add eclipse plugin there
20100813 08:45:26< shadowmaster> no idea, you should ask Ivanovic since he's the project admin at Gna.org
20100813 08:45:41< shadowmaster> I'm sure it's possible but he's probably the only one who can do it.
20100813 08:45:53< timotei> ok
20100813 08:47:50< timotei> Crab_: btw, thanks for the idea of apache velocity. I think I'll switch to that instead of current templating system;)
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20100813 08:53:27< Crab_> timotei: glad to help :) using a already-made templating system would be easier than trying to reimplement the wheel,  I think.
20100813 08:53:50< timotei> Crab_: well, didn't read the 'logs' just this week.
20100813 08:56:06< Crab_> timotei: also note that the GTK errors have little to do with my errors with the eclipse plugin (e.g., I've got a small misconfiguration of one of the libs, but it hasn't prevented me from launching your plugin a month ago)
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20100813 09:10:20< timotei> Crab_: well, ok, I'll look more into it
20100813 09:14:07< timotei> Crab_: ok. managed to reproduce it.
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20100813 09:37:52< CIA-49> gabba * r45546 /trunk/src/whiteboard/manager.cpp: Whiteboard: delete obsolete fixme
20100813 09:37:57< CIA-49> gabba * r45547 /trunk/src/whiteboard/highlight_visitor.cpp: Whiteboard: fix the problem of units being unhidden before their movement was finished animating. Fixes bug #16415.
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20100813 09:46:05< Upthorn> So... I just realized that I completely forgot to copy my putty private key file off of my laptop before I removed the hard-drive (and damaged the mounting in the process)
20100813 09:47:16< Upthorn> could someone walk me through the process of creating a new public key and getting it registered at gna again?
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20100813 09:49:54< ABCD> Upthorn: OS?
20100813 09:50:15< Upthorn> windows... 7 now
20100813 09:50:20< Ivanovic> moin
20100813 09:51:39< timotei> Upthorn: Congrats!!
20100813 09:51:47< timotei> Ivanovic: Ivanovic: I have a request. Can you please add a new Item Group:   in gna bugs, which is called: Eclipse Plugin?
20100813 09:51:54< timotei> Upthorn: I can help you
20100813 09:52:15< Upthorn> timotei: okay, thanks. This is a completely fresh install so start with a list of what I need to download
20100813 09:52:26< Upthorn> I've just finished installing tortoisesvn
20100813 09:52:36< Ivanovic> timotei: sure, but i need to wake up first
20100813 09:52:37< Ivanovic> ;)
20100813 09:52:45< timotei> Upthorn: yes. http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.zip
20100813 09:52:49< timotei> Ivanovic: thanks
20100813 09:53:09< Upthorn> ... brb tortoiseSVN wants me to restart.
20100813 09:53:12< timotei> ok
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20100813 09:57:23< timotei> fendrin: around?
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20100813 09:59:39< Upthorn> okay, so I downloaded that putty zip before rebooting
20100813 10:00:34< timotei> Upthorn: good.
20100813 10:01:07< timotei> Upthorn: unzip, and run: puttygen
20100813 10:01:20< timotei> Upthorn: in the meantine open: https://gna.org/my/admin/editsshkeys.php
20100813 10:01:45< timotei> Upthorn: on puttygen, Press : Generate, move the mouse a bit over the space, until it finsihes generating
20100813 10:01:45< Upthorn> okay
20100813 10:01:53< timotei> Upthorn: at this point, do the following:
20100813 10:02:25< timotei> 1) click, and select everything in the textbox, copy paste that in a new textbox in the gna page, and pres update
20100813 10:02:38< timotei> 2) back in puttygen, save publick key, and save private key
20100813 10:03:20< timotei> 3) use open with on the .ppk private key files, and associate it with pageant.exe program, so it will open by default with that. enter your passphrase
20100813 10:03:32< Upthorn> now when you say select everything in the textbox
20100813 10:03:50< timotei> 4) add '<myprivatekey.ppk>' to: Startup (Start->All programs->Startup)
20100813 10:04:02< Upthorn> does that include "ssh-rsa" and "= rsa-key-20100813"
20100813 10:04:46< Upthorn> oh duh I can do both with and without
20100813 10:04:50< Upthorn> I still have the space
20100813 10:04:53< timotei> all
20100813 10:05:02< timotei> select from start, and until end
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20100813 10:10:37< Upthorn> alright, checkout is moving along alright. I'll have to relocate to svn+ssh once it's done, but the unsecured server is faster
20100813 10:11:08< timotei> Upthorn: checkout? you don't have the old files?:P
20100813 10:11:23< Upthorn> I only copied out the modified versions
20100813 10:11:29< Upthorn> due to battery power only
20100813 10:11:31< timotei> ok.
20100813 10:11:46< Upthorn> due to my laptop power input prong was arcing
20100813 10:11:50< timotei> ok, for the next steps: 
20100813 10:12:13< Upthorn> yes?
20100813 10:12:41< timotei> 5) for tortoise svn to auto use the plink and ssh connection.: add an environmental variable: SVN_SSH with value: D:/bin/putty/plink.exe <-- put your plink location
20100813 10:13:15< Upthorn> err
20100813 10:13:34< Upthorn> break that one down. I can't find where environmental variables are
20100813 10:14:02< timotei> right click my computer-> properties->
20100813 10:14:10< timotei> 'Advanced system settings' in the left menu
20100813 10:14:24< timotei> Avdanced tab-> button: Environmental
20100813 10:14:52< Upthorn> I thought you were talking about a setting in tortoisesvn 
20100813 10:14:58< Upthorn> that's why I got confused
20100813 10:16:00< Upthorn> though isn't it enough to set C:\...\putty\PLINK.EXE as the SSH client in TortoiseSVN settings?
20100813 10:16:31< timotei> I don't use that way, but I hope it works.
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20100813 10:18:02< Upthorn> bleh @ all these .ogg files in the svn making it take forever to checkout
20100813 10:20:28< timotei> I didn't used tortoise for a long time, so I don't know
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20100813 10:20:34< timotei> ah damn. ancestral just left:|
20100813 10:20:47< timotei> btw, Upthorn , Upth is on a VPS?
20100813 10:22:17< Upthorn_> VPS?
20100813 10:22:28< timotei> virtual private server
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20100813 10:22:53< timotei> so, opening an irc session there and let it live 'forever'
20100813 10:22:58< Upthorn_> no
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20100813 10:23:06< Upthorn_> Upth is my desktop computer
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20100813 10:23:15< timotei> oh
20100813 10:31:42< CIA-49> zookeeper * r45548 /branches/1.8/data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/10_Alone_at_Last.cfg: Fixed a very unfortunate WML typo making Dela appear on turn 2 on normal difficulty.
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20100813 10:55:12< Ivanovic> timotei: okay, added the new item group
20100813 10:55:24< timotei> Ivanovic: thank you
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20100813 11:06:34 * zookeeper wishes we could easily deliver semi-automatic WML hotfix patches in-game
20100813 11:07:24< timotei> zookeeper: how?
20100813 11:07:39< elias> auto-updater would be the best way i guess
20100813 11:07:47< timotei> zookeeper: at runtime?
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20100813 11:08:00< elias> so instead of having users go to the website and re-download the whole game... just have an "update" button somewhere
20100813 11:08:15< timotei> elias: yeah, an auto-updater would be great for wesnoth
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20100813 11:26:12< CIA-49> ivanovic * r45549 /branches/1.8/po/ (231 files in 23 dirs): 
20100813 11:26:12< CIA-49> pot-update (new strings: 1 new in wesnoth, 1 new in trow)
20100813 11:26:13< CIA-49> regenerated doc files (no changes here)
20100813 11:30:32< zookeeper> timotei, yeah, basically an auto-updated for the game content
20100813 11:30:40< zookeeper> s/updated/updater
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20100813 11:37:23< Ivanovic> AI0867, Crab_, eleazar, elias, Espreon, fendrin, ilor_, loonycyborg, Rhonda, shadowmaster, silene, Sirp, Soliton, thespaceinvader, timotei, Upthorn, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: just sent a mail to the dev-ml regarding 1.9.0
20100813 11:37:40< Ivanovic> my current plan is to tag it right together with the end of the (official) gsoc coding time
20100813 11:37:47< Ivanovic> this is on monday
20100813 11:37:50< Ivanovic> any objections?
20100813 11:38:09< Crab_> monday 16th ?
20100813 11:38:09< timotei> that is, the right next monday? (16?)
20100813 11:38:14< timotei> :P
20100813 11:38:23< thespaceinvader> none from me.  I'll do my best to fit in as much new art before then as I can =)
20100813 11:38:47< Crab_> I would prefer it to be delayed a week, to allow gsocers to spend the last week testing and documenting :)
20100813 11:39:02< timotei> Crab_: so on 20 right?
20100813 11:39:08< timotei> no, 23 actually
20100813 11:39:12< Crab_> 16+7=23
20100813 11:39:15< Upthorn> Ivanovic: I may not be totally done by then, but I will let you know on sunday if that is a problem.
20100813 11:40:30< Ivanovic> AI0867, Crab_, eleazar, elias, Espreon, fendrin, ilor_, loonycyborg, Rhonda, shadowmaster, silene, Sirp, Soliton, thespaceinvader, timotei, Upthorn, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: please do make sure that the html manual is in sync with the ingame rules (adding of stuff like new allignments anyone?)
20100813 11:40:46< Ivanovic> Crab_: in fact the *coding time* ends on monday
20100813 11:41:07< Rhonda> Ivanovic: I am not making sure of anything.
20100813 11:41:09< Ivanovic> Crab_: so in theory our evaluations have to be based on the status of the work on august 16th, 19:00UTC
20100813 11:41:39< Crab_> Ivanovic: yes, but that's not about the evaluations, that's about the usability and lack of last-second fixes done in a hurry.
20100813 11:41:47< Crab_> that is especially important for the whiteboard.. since we want to include it in 1.9, it definitely needs some testing
20100813 11:41:52< Ivanovic> Crab_: that is: currently *is* the last week that should already be spent on documenting and testing
20100813 11:42:25< Upthorn> Ivanovic: not all projects are actually on that schedule, though
20100813 11:42:31< elias> and if your lateness causes problems for 1.9, you will get a bad evaluation ;)
20100813 11:43:27< Ivanovic> Crab_: i don't expect things to be perfectly stable in the very first release that includes them anyway
20100813 11:43:30< timotei> lol
20100813 11:43:34< Crab_> elias: evaluation is not a problem.. we want wesnoth players to have a good experience with the new dev release
20100813 11:43:36< Ivanovic> since the amount of testing done so far is not *this* much
20100813 11:44:01< Ivanovic> we do need feedback to get a list of open issues so that they can eventually (hopefully soon) be tackled and fixed
20100813 11:44:04< timotei> elias: threathning Ivanovic?
20100813 11:44:28< Ivanovic> timotei: how could elias threaten me?
20100813 11:44:37< Ivanovic> timotei: i would be the one threatening the gsoc students
20100813 11:44:38< Ivanovic> ;)
20100813 11:44:57< timotei> Ivanovic: oh, well...
20100813 11:45:14< elias> yes, i was just saying more directly what Invanovic tried to explain :)
20100813 11:45:15< Upthorn> Ivanovic: I think it is fairly clear that elias was threatening you with a failing GSOC evaluation if your problems caused 1.9 to be late
20100813 11:45:43< Ivanovic> Crab_: that is: i am perfectly fine with 1.9.1 about two weeks after 1.9.0 to have the main issues fixed
20100813 11:46:07< Ivanovic> Crab_: we just have to eventually release the stuff and afterwards there will be a shitload of problems with the new things, this is to be expected
20100813 11:46:17< Crab_> Ivanovic: ok. It's ok for me with 1.9.0 on 16th and 1.9.1 around 30th.
20100813 11:47:05< Crab_> that way, the gsoc students would have time to fix all the usual bugs :)
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20100813 11:51:10< Ivanovic> okay, sent this clarification to the dev-ml
20100813 11:51:50-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.0 planned for Monday (2010-08-16) | 138 bugs, 286 feature requests, 14 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100813 11:52:13-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.0 planned for Monday (2010-08-16), 19:00 GMT | 138 bugs, 286 feature requests, 14 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100813 11:58:24< timotei> http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1281257293.html
20100813 11:58:41< CIA-49> ivanovic * r45550 /trunk/ (1140 files in 48 dirs): 
20100813 11:58:41< CIA-49> pot-update
20100813 11:58:41< CIA-49> regenerated doc files
20100813 12:09:37< zookeeper> i'll be away for most of the weekend, but if you're tagging on monday then i should have enough time to add a few more changes, update changelogs etc.
20100813 12:10:38< CIA-49> ivanovic * r45551 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/gl.po wesnoth-manpages/gl.po): updated Galician translation
20100813 12:10:39< CIA-49> ivanovic * r45552 /branches/1.8/ (changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth/gl.po): updated Galician translation
20100813 12:11:28< Ivanovic> zookeeper: the current plan is to basically tag at 9pm local time on monday
20100813 12:11:38< Ivanovic> (local time for me that is, 7pm GMT)
20100813 12:13:24< CIA-49> ivanovic * r45553 /trunk/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated German translation
20100813 12:13:29< CIA-49> ivanovic * r45554 /branches/1.8/ (4 files in 3 dirs): updated German translation
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20100813 13:18:21< Ivanovic> eleazar: in the editor i get some strange error message with the volcano:
20100813 13:18:23< Ivanovic> Detected an image with bad dimensions :180x216
20100813 13:18:24< Ivanovic> It will not be masked, please use :72x72
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20100813 14:14:27< timotei> fendrin: hey
20100813 14:14:39< fendrin> timotei: hi
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20100813 14:17:20< timotei> fendrin: I guess I can't select by default (programatically) a working set... I tried to do this but I didn't found any solutions
20100813 14:17:56< timotei> fendrin: that means, users have to select by themselves the working sets
20100813 14:17:56< timotei> ;)
20100813 14:18:21< fendrin> Select a working set?
20100813 14:18:30< timotei> an installation
20100813 14:20:28< boucman> hey all
20100813 14:20:33< fendrin> hi boucman
20100813 14:20:41< fendrin> timotei: Please be more specific.
20100813 14:21:02< timotei> fendrin: well, when the users switch an isntallation
20100813 14:21:08< timotei> they practically switch a working set
20100813 14:21:20< timotei> I don't have currently any means fo doing that programatically
20100813 14:22:00< timotei> I think I'll got sleep for an hour
20100813 14:22:02< timotei> see you later
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20100813 15:14:33< CIA-49> silene * r45555 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: 
20100813 15:14:34< CIA-49> Implemented [modify_unit] tag. (Patch #1808 by Anonymissimus.)
20100813 15:14:34< CIA-49> No changes to its semantic, but some simplifications and a few fixes to [object] and [trait]: inner tags are no longer special, and more than 10 units can use the outer tags.
20100813 15:16:12< CIA-49> silene * r45556 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: Added test for [modify_unit].
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20100813 15:29:21< fendrin> Ivanovic: I have added the alignment to the wml reference. There are still some other places left. I still bother with the language since I don't want to make the player confused. It must be clear that liminal can only be expected in campaigns/addons that are explicitly supporting it.
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20100813 15:45:02< Ivanovic> fendrin: ask esr how to best formulate it
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20100813 15:56:07< fendrin> Ivanovic: Sure, that is what I always do with my prose needs.
20100813 15:58:07< timotei21> ah, I'm feeling so good
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20100813 15:58:26< fendrin> hi timotei :-)
20100813 15:58:31< timotei> hi fendrin 
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20100813 16:23:56< fendrin> timotei: Please tell me about your current workflow for the working sets and containing projects.
20100813 16:24:10< billynux> hi all
20100813 16:24:15< timotei> hey billynux :)
20100813 16:24:16< Crab_> hi, billynux
20100813 16:24:23< billynux> hi timotei, Crab_ 
20100813 16:24:55< timotei> fendrin: Well, for now, the plugin creates a Default Working Set for the default 'installation' where it (should) put the created campaigns/addons projects
20100813 16:25:11< timotei> fendrin: I need to work a bit more on the working set architecture
20100813 16:25:22< timotei> fendrin: to allow setting/getting programatically the current selected working set
20100813 16:25:29< timotei> so I can know how to retrieve the paths
20100813 16:25:57< Crab_> billynux: ana doesn't like MSVC - MSVC 2008 doesn't have stdint.h , so it fails to compile.
20100813 16:26:11< Crab_> (included from bilnary_streams.hpp )
20100813 16:26:50< fendrin> timotei: What do you mean with programatically in that context? Isn't it always the user who triggers a change of the working set?
20100813 16:27:02< billynux> Crab_, hm
20100813 16:27:14< fendrin> timotei: Are you able to display more of them at once?
20100813 16:27:23< timotei> fendrin: I wanted to take your advice with 'a better user interaction' and select by default the default working set
20100813 16:27:29< billynux> Crab_, how can I get 32 bit ints for various platforms?
20100813 16:27:42< billynux> Crab_, I'm interested on uint32_t
20100813 16:27:46< Crab_> boost has cstdint.hpp
20100813 16:27:51< fendrin> timotei: Or better the one last used?
20100813 16:28:03< billynux> Crab_, ah... good, let me change that then
20100813 16:28:11< Crab_> thanks
20100813 16:28:36< timotei> fendrin: the user can select to display how many working sets he wants
20100813 16:28:56< timotei> fendrin: nevertheless still I need a way of getting the selected working set, for the paths thing
20100813 16:29:25< timotei> fendrin: but, for the 'multiple' selected, I'll select the .. first one or the last one.
20100813 16:29:47< billynux> Crab_, I already include that file in ana.hpp, binary_streams is an import from another project I coded :)
20100813 16:31:02< fendrin> timotei: How are those working sets presented. And how can they be selected to be displayed?
20100813 16:31:28< timotei> fendrin: in the .. package explorer, let's say. there is a little droopdown arrow (near minimise and maximize)
20100813 16:31:37< timotei> you select working sets from there
20100813 16:31:50< billynux> Ivanovic, Crab_, I don't know when mordante will be around, but it would be cool to make simple GUI changes to support a proxy connection
20100813 16:32:08< billynux> ANA already can connect with basic and none authentications
20100813 16:32:27< fendrin> timotei: Do you mean the "Project Explorer" ? 
20100813 16:32:38< timotei> you have the project explorer with the wesnoth icon?
20100813 16:32:48< Soliton> this working set stuff is about several wesnoth version installs?
20100813 16:32:52< timotei> fendrin: http://blog.alagad.com/2007/10/29/using-eclipse-working-sets-instead-of-workspaces/
20100813 16:32:56< timotei> Soliton: yes
20100813 16:33:36< Soliton> doesn't sound useful to me to spend much effort on that.
20100813 16:34:06< timotei> Soliton: UMC author use more than 2 versions iirc
20100813 16:34:18< Soliton> what percentage?
20100813 16:34:34< Soliton> more than 5%? :-P
20100813 16:34:39< timotei> I don't know
20100813 16:35:36< Soliton> isn't it enough to let the user specify some paths where his wesnoth version and addon dir is?
20100813 16:35:46< timotei> that's already in place
20100813 16:35:50< timotei> fendrin: have you found that?
20100813 16:36:05< Crab_> billynux: have you got a mockup ? or it's just 'add a text field' thing ?
20100813 16:36:34< Crab_> e.g. user:password@proxy.name.or.ip:port
20100813 16:37:00< billynux> Crab_, just adding options to the settings I guess
20100813 16:37:12< Crab_> 'options' ?
20100813 16:37:25< CIA-49> eleazar * r45557 /trunk/data/core/help.cfg: more and better images for terrain help.
20100813 16:37:27< fendrin> timotei: No, I don't have the project explorer with the wesnoth icon.
20100813 16:37:38< Crab_> billynux: anything apart from 'text field' ?
20100813 16:37:39< billynux> Crab_, yes, I would need host and port information at least, and user:passwd optionally
20100813 16:37:54< timotei> fendrin: Window->Show view>Other->Wesnoth Project Explorer
20100813 16:38:05< timotei> it hasn't too much featuers for now
20100813 16:38:27< billynux> Crab_, what do you mean? (If I understand correctly, no, two mandatory text fields and two optional ones)
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20100813 16:39:22< billynux> Crab_, maybe something like a checkbox for "use proxy?" (which enables the 4 text fields)
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20100813 16:39:42< billynux> Crab_, it's ok if the "user"/"password" fields are left blank
20100813 16:40:28< Crab_> billynux: ok ) I was thinking about using just 1 field to save space :)
20100813 16:41:57< CIA-49> billynux * r45558 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): To fix ANA's compilation in MSVC, removed the inclusion of cstdint.h and used the previously declared types (which in turn use boost headers.)
20100813 16:43:42< eleazar> Ivanovic:  i'd like to take the screenshots for 1.9 to make sure my new terrain stuff is well-displayed
20100813 16:44:05< eleazar> --- but not yet.  I want to try to squeeze in a couple more improvements.
20100813 16:44:45< timotei> fendrin: http://imagebin.org/109470
20100813 16:44:52< timotei> fendrin: something like that for managing installations?
20100813 16:45:43< eleazar> Ivanovic: Also i don't understand what that error is about.  It seems to work properly
20100813 16:50:02< Crab_> billynux: I also have this issue - http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/XCapPp7z
20100813 16:50:07< Crab_> billynux: fixed by http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/QEv9jkKw
20100813 16:52:01< fendrin> timotei: Looks nice.
20100813 16:52:24< billynux> Crab_, great! that could be further improved right? (i.e. for windows instead of MSVC, etc..)
20100813 16:53:21< Crab_> billynux: ask loonycyborg if he compiles the windows binaries with ana enabled.
20100813 16:53:56< billynux> ATM everybody who compiles does so... :)
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20100813 16:54:20< Crab_> billynux: no, MSVC2008-native doesn't use ana :) in fact, it can't compile it yet :)
20100813 16:54:30< Crab_> billynux: still http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/BuxAGHTN to go
20100813 16:54:47< Crab_> 'max' is defined as a macro, so it doesn't like std::max
20100813 16:54:53< Crab_> fixable by putting () around it
20100813 16:54:53< billynux> Crab_, :(
20100813 16:56:01< Crab_> billynux: ok, compiled after doing it
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20100813 16:56:35< Crab_> billynux: please apply that one, as well http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/1u9Mq7P9
20100813 16:57:04< Crab_> (repeating it,  http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/PGEU3mga , with non-broken long lines)
20100813 16:57:25< billynux> Crab_, ok... give me a sec that I'm trying to change something else
20100813 16:57:28< Crab_> ok
20100813 16:57:35< Crab_> I can't commit in the place where I'm atm :)
20100813 16:57:48< Crab_> (that's why I'm forwarding those diffs)
20100813 17:00:28< fendrin> Soliton: Eclipse features that "Project" concept, using it provides some easy ways to do fancy stuff. You will have at least one Project for each different version of wesnoth you are developing for. 
20100813 17:01:49< Soliton> that's nice but it's much more important to be able to work with one version properly before you put effort into such a feature.
20100813 17:02:00< Soliton> but maybe you're already that far along.
20100813 17:02:32< billynux> Soliton, is there a current mismatch between trunk and the compiled version of the official server? (I can't log in again)
20100813 17:02:53< Soliton> billynux: no idea, but i can update it now.
20100813 17:02:59< billynux> ok
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20100813 17:05:43< Ivanovic> eleazar: it seems like the tiny icon (the one for overlaying in the brush) is not displayed correctly or something like this
20100813 17:05:52< Ivanovic> eleazar: what do you want to create the screenshots for?
20100813 17:05:57< Ivanovic> the manual, the website, ...
20100813 17:07:57< Ivanovic> eleazar: for website screenshots: i always create them when wesnoth is windowed in 1024x768 using ksnapshot
20100813 17:08:28< Ivanovic> first i save as bmp and then convert those to jpg using convert with a -quality 90 setting
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20100813 17:09:08< Ivanovic> and yes, i think that new screenshots almost everywhere are in place due to the great, new terrain arts we got
20100813 17:09:35< Soliton> s/place/order/
20100813 17:09:42< Ivanovic> right
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20100813 17:12:16< billynux> :@ I commited code I didn't want to! -> pissed off!
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20100813 17:12:30< CIA-49> ivanovic * r45559 /trunk/po/ (7 files in 7 dirs): updated Russian translation
20100813 17:12:38< CIA-49> ivanovic * r45560 /branches/1.8/ (7 files in 6 dirs): updated Russian translation
20100813 17:12:40< timotei> billynux: revert
20100813 17:12:46< billynux> will do
20100813 17:12:51< timotei> oh, no git?
20100813 17:13:09< billynux> no, but some of the code was ok, extirpation is in order
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20100813 17:16:13< silene> thespaceinvader: the game complains about missing images: ambusher-se-melee9.png, ambusher-se-melee10.png, and ambusher-se-throw9.png
20100813 17:16:57< thespaceinvader> silene: you'll have to talk to Jet about those - I've not been involved in the new Saurian stuff beyond critting it
20100813 17:17:26< silene> thespaceinvader: okay, i thought you were, sorry
20100813 17:17:34< fendrin> Soliton: You do have a point there. We will reduce it to a single wesnoth installation for now.
20100813 17:17:36< thespaceinvader> no worries
20100813 17:25:24< billynux> Crab_, so... http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/QEv9jkKw and http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/PGEU3mga only right?
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20100813 17:28:19-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.0 planned for Monday (2010-08-16), 19:00 GMT | 138 bugs, 286 feature requests, 13 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100813 17:28:28< anonymissimus> silene: weapon specials didn't work in modify_unit when I tested it
20100813 17:29:33< CIA-49> billynux * r45561 /trunk/src/ (14 files in 5 dirs): 
20100813 17:29:34< CIA-49> Reverted untested code changes for the connection procedure in ANA commited
20100813 17:30:07< silene> anonymissimus: they seem to work in the test scenario
20100813 17:30:16< CIA-49> wrongfully and moved the old ana::detail::read_buffer out of the detail
20100813 17:30:16< CIA-49> namespace since every user of ANA must use it, and they shouldn't know about
20100813 17:30:17< CIA-49> namespace detail.
20100813 17:32:02< CIA-49> billynux * r45562 /trunk/src/ana/ (api/stats.hpp src/CMakeLists.txt): Fix some issues with MSVC with ANA with suggestions by Crab_.
20100813 17:32:26< billynux> 3 "with" in the commit message -> Poor redaction there.
20100813 17:33:47< billynux> Espreon, should CMake files (CMakeLists.txt) carry svn props too?
20100813 17:36:59< anonymissimus> silene: you've changed quite some things but looks good
20100813 17:37:10< anonymissimus> I'll run the tests I have
20100813 17:37:33< silene> billynux: they are text files, so they should have at least the svn:eol property
20100813 17:39:46< billynux> silene, thanks, I added $Id$ references to them, but never the Id, author, etc... props (eol is set though)
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20100813 18:15:40< Espreon|Wii> billynux: Don't bother talking to "Espreon"... I can't actually SSH into my shell account anymore... so... yeahz... My screen/GPU fried...
20100813 18:16:01< billynux> ok :)
20100813 18:22:46< anonymissimus> silene: I don't understand this: "inner tags are no longer special, and more than 10 units can use the outer tags."
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20100813 18:23:01< anonymissimus> there was no limit to units anywhere
20100813 18:23:35< anonymissimus> none I knew of however :P
20100813 18:23:41< silene> anonymissimus: you were using length + 3 to recover the unit path; that doesn't work starting unit[10]
20100813 18:23:57< anonymissimus> aha, yes thats right
20100813 18:24:25< silene> silene: concerning the tags [object] and [trait], you would have handled even if they were subtags, for instance inside [variables]
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20100813 18:31:32< anonymissimus> but in handle_unit you are treating [object] and [trait] as if they were direct subtags of modify_unit, but they are in [modifications]; and to my surprise it works if they are in [modifications] since I have a test for that
20100813 18:36:46< CIA-49> eleazar * r45563 /trunk/data/core/terrain.cfg: fixed error with volcano tile.
20100813 18:39:06< crimson_penguin> eleazar: someone claimed that setting it to the 10.6 SDK explicitly (rather than "Current OS") should work
20100813 18:39:12< crimson_penguin> I'm a bit skeptical, but it's worth a try
20100813 18:39:33< eleazar> crimson_penguin: yes it worked
20100813 18:39:40< crimson_penguin> oh really? awesome
20100813 18:39:49 * eleazar does happy dance
20100813 18:40:07< crimson_penguin> (I was skeptical because Release didn't work for you either, and it's explicitly 10.4, which you do have)
20100813 18:40:42< eleazar> i did get one error "wesnothd: No such file or directory" but it runs fine.
20100813 18:41:03< eleazar> i removed wesnothd from the dependancies like your directions said.
20100813 18:42:43< crimson_penguin> oh, well, that'd be what causes that
20100813 18:42:59< crimson_penguin> if it's not in the dependencies then it won't be build, and therefore won't exist
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20100813 18:44:42< fendrin> silene: Are you the expert for http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SyntaxWML?
20100813 18:45:06< fendrin> silene: I think I remember that you have written the wml parser.
20100813 18:46:29< billynux> Poll: Where would you would like proxy settings in the game? 1- Multiplayer Screen/Proxy Settings Button, 2- Preferences/General, 3- Preferences/Advanced
20100813 18:46:41< billynux> Me: 1
20100813 18:46:53< billynux> Crab_, Ivanovic : ^
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20100813 18:52:44< timotei> fendrin: ok back.
20100813 18:53:11< timotei> fendrin: so, I should try your idea of going the: allow just known formats? rather than: try match all?
20100813 18:53:19< timotei> fendrin: with the grammar
20100813 18:54:07< fendrin> timotei: We must achieve an exact match with the grammar.
20100813 18:54:56< fendrin> timotei: terminal KEY         : ('a'..'z'|'A'..'Z'|'0'..'9'|'_')+ '=';
20100813 18:55:33< timotei> terminal says how the lexer parses the input (text). the parser gets the lexed tokens and transforms in parser tokens
20100813 18:55:50< timotei> fendrin: ok, allow me to start a new one
20100813 18:56:30< fendrin> timotei: No, wait.
20100813 18:56:37< timotei> ?
20100813 18:56:48< fendrin> timotei: Let's first collect what we all need.
20100813 18:56:57< fendrin> Maybe another developer is joining in.
20100813 18:56:57< timotei> fendrin: well...
20100813 18:57:13< fendrin> We need terminals for all the keywords.
20100813 18:57:54< fendrin> #textdomain, #define, #ifdef, #ifndef, #enddef
20100813 18:58:04< timotei> it's a good idea to not create terminals for everything,
20100813 18:58:08< fendrin> Maybe more.
20100813 18:58:11< timotei> fendrin: http://ietherpad.com/fG1Zq1oLEL
20100813 18:58:59< fendrin> timotei: Why don't you want to create terminals for everything?
20100813 18:59:27< fendrin> timotei: I would go that way. 
20100813 18:59:33< timotei> fendrin: ok. let's try then
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20100813 18:59:52< fendrin> At least for every keyword
20100813 19:00:20< timotei> terminals are context-less
20100813 19:01:28< timotei> look why don't use terminals:
20100813 19:01:37< timotei> To allow qualified names, we need a new rule QualifiedName. This rule returns a string. But we do not want this to be a terminal rule, as terminal rules have special semantics (they are used context-less in the lexer, which often causes problems).
20100813 19:01:39< timotei> ;)
20100813 19:01:52< timotei> so a qualifiedname (a ID list in our case): QualifiedName:
20100813 19:01:53< timotei>   ID ('.' ID)*;
20100813 19:01:56< timotei> rather than a terminal rule
20100813 19:02:55< timotei> also, terminal have precendece. 
20100813 19:03:12< timotei> the one is matched first gots credit
20100813 19:06:33< fendrin> timotei: Doesn't every tokenizer work contextless?
20100813 19:06:49< timotei> hmm
20100813 19:07:03< fendrin> Anyway, it's not that important if the current terminals stay terminals in the end.
20100813 19:07:31< fendrin> At least we will need everything that define wml here. 
20100813 19:07:37< boucman> thespaceinvader: do you have 2'' for a quick question ?
20100813 19:08:33< fendrin> timotei: Are you fine with the KEY rule?
20100813 19:08:49< timotei> yes
20100813 19:09:04< timotei> please note one reason current wml non-restriction are bad:
20100813 19:09:06< timotei> 02_Scenario
20100813 19:09:10< timotei> this is an ID
20100813 19:09:17< timotei> but it won't allow any INT things.
20100813 19:09:25< timotei> so any number will be considered an ID not an INT
20100813 19:10:16< fendrin> I guess, that what is currently called ID will be gone when we proceed.
20100813 19:10:18< silene> fendrin: i guess i am
20100813 19:10:51< fendrin> silene: Is the page still valid?
20100813 19:11:42< timotei> fendrin: Parser Rules
20100813 19:11:42< timotei> The parser reads a sequence of terminals and walks through the parser rules. Hence a parser rule - contrary to a terminal rule – does not produce a single terminal token but a tree of non-terminal and terminal tokens. 
20100813 19:12:00< timotei> fendrin: http://www.eclipse.org/Xtext/documentation/1_0_0/xtext.html#syntax 
20100813 19:12:06< timotei> fendrin: scroll down till 'Rules'
20100813 19:12:39< silene> fendrin: seems like it; the only thing not obvious from the text is that + eats things until it encounters something; for instance, it may eat several lines of comments
20100813 19:13:30< fendrin> silene: Okay, noted. I also miss the information which tokens can be part of "tag-name".
20100813 19:14:29< silene> fendrin: only a sequence of alphanumeric characters
20100813 19:14:44< timotei> and -
20100813 19:14:50< timotei> about-campaign is present in schema :|
20100813 19:14:59< timotei> should that be about_campaign?
20100813 19:16:12< fendrin> silene: no - and no "_" allowed?
20100813 19:16:15< thespaceinvader> boucman: go ahead
20100813 19:16:16< silene> i don't know what it should be; but - definitely doesn't work (it causes savegame failures with unit types contain them)
20100813 19:16:26< timotei> fendrin: _ is allowed
20100813 19:16:33< timotei> so about-campaign should be about_campaign
20100813 19:16:40< silene> yes, _ is allowed
20100813 19:16:41< CIA-49> eleazar * r45564 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: updated release notes with terrain info.
20100813 19:16:43< timotei> [about-campaign:about]
20100813 19:16:48< silene> timotei: assuming it exists
20100813 19:16:52< timotei> oh
20100813 19:16:54< timotei> rigth
20100813 19:16:56< boucman> when I want to do some TC drawing, am I free to use any transparency, or do I have to use the transparency from the switch
20100813 19:17:48< timotei> good
20100813 19:17:50< timotei> then no '-'
20100813 19:17:50< eleazar> boucman: IIRC any transparency is OK
20100813 19:17:54< boucman> thx
20100813 19:18:09< thespaceinvader> boucman: transparency is fine as long as it doesn't overlay anythign else, obviously
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20100813 19:18:36< boucman> i'm trying to redo images/arrows/focus to have something that is at least properly aligned for 1.9.0 but it's taking me hours :P
20100813 19:18:49< timotei> fendrin: tag_name can contain '_'
20100813 19:19:03< timotei> but as you saw now... terminals: tag_name and key override
20100813 19:20:19< silene> timotei: keys can contain spaces
20100813 19:20:29< timotei> silene: like what?
20100813 19:20:55< fendrin> silene: I don't think so. Key lists can contain spaces but not a single key.
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20100813 19:21:07< timotei> ha???
20100813 19:21:32< fendrin> x, y=
20100813 19:21:40< timotei> well yes
20100813 19:21:40< fendrin> I guess that is valid.
20100813 19:21:45< timotei> but the spaces don't matter
20100813 19:21:48< timotei> it's a hidden terminal
20100813 19:21:51< timotei> I was thinking about:
20100813 19:21:52< timotei> my key=
20100813 19:21:55< silene> timotei, fendrin: like any unit name in the statistics section of a savegame
20100813 19:21:56< timotei> that isn't valid right?
20100813 19:22:10< silene> for instance: Heavy Infantryman="6"
20100813 19:22:17< silene> (taken from one of my savegames)
20100813 19:22:23< timotei> well, we don't edit savegames, right fendrin ?
20100813 19:22:42< silene> timotei: so what? savegames use wml syntax
20100813 19:22:54< fendrin> timotei: Unfortunately you are sometimes forced to do so.
20100813 19:22:58< timotei> fendrin: oh
20100813 19:23:02< timotei> well, we should have:
20100813 19:23:18< timotei> SPACEIDLIST hidden(): ID (' ' ID)+;
20100813 19:23:28< timotei> COMMAN_IDLIST: ID (',' ID)+;
20100813 19:23:43< Soliton> billynux: yes, 1 is ok.
20100813 19:24:14< fendrin> timotei: Yes, sounds good.
20100813 19:25:31< fendrin> timotei: Ah no. It does catch only exactly one space.
20100813 19:25:41< timotei> ok, then:
20100813 19:25:48< timotei> ID (' '+ ID)+;
20100813 19:27:51< silene> timotei: why a plus at the end? shouldn't it be a start?
20100813 19:27:53< silene> star*
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20100813 19:28:10< timotei> well, then it will collide with simple ID, isn't it?
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20100813 19:30:47< timotei> fendrin: updated
20100813 19:30:47< timotei> http://ietherpad.com/fG1Zq1oLEL
20100813 19:31:16< silene> timotei: why should it conflict?
20100813 19:31:22< timotei> one sec
20100813 19:31:32< timotei> so: ID (',' ID)*
20100813 19:31:32< timotei> ?
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20100813 19:32:07< timotei> WMLKey:
20100813 19:32:08< timotei> 	WMLKey_KEY '='
20100813 19:32:10< timotei> ;
20100813 19:32:12< timotei> WMLKey_KEY:
20100813 19:32:16< timotei> 	IDLIST_COMMA | IDLIST_SPACE | ID;
20100813 19:32:18< timotei> IDLIST_SPACE hidden():
20100813 19:32:20< timotei> 	ID (' '+ ID)+;
20100813 19:32:22< timotei> IDLIST_COMMA:
20100813 19:32:24< timotei> 	ID (',' ID)*;
20100813 19:32:30< timotei> and got: Decision can match input such as "RULE_ID" using multiple alternatives: 1, 3 As a result, alternative(s) 3 were disabled for that input
20100813 19:32:33< timotei> silene: ^
20100813 19:32:45< silene> timotei: idlist_comma should use idlist_space
20100813 19:32:55< timotei> hmm
20100813 19:33:01< timotei> my id, second id ?
20100813 19:33:05< timotei> ok
20100813 19:33:07< silene> and you should remove id from wmlkey_key
20100813 19:33:18< fendrin> timotei: 
20100813 19:33:19< fendrin> WMLKey_KEY:
20100813 19:33:21< fendrin>     IDLIST_COMMA | IDLIST_SPACE | ID;
20100813 19:33:24< silene> both ids in idlist_comma
20100813 19:33:51< silene> in fact, remove also idlist_space from wmlkey_key, just keep idlist_comma
20100813 19:34:03< fendrin> A WMLKey_KEY can't be a comma separated idlist since that would be a key list. You are losing information here.
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20100813 19:38:55< fendrin> And we need every information about assigned keys since they need to be checked against the schema later.
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20100813 20:04:44< timotei> ancestral: hey there:)
20100813 20:09:52< timotei> fendrin: did disabling the xtext builder fix your java heap space problem?
20100813 20:09:53< timotei> fendrin: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=307665
20100813 20:10:17< fendrin> timotei: yes it did.
20100813 20:10:24< timotei> fendrin: good to know
20100813 20:10:38< timotei> fendrin: hope till next xtext issue, when xtext builder is fixed, we won't need it:
20100813 20:10:39< timotei> :)
20100813 20:10:48< timotei> I'm doing the proposal for enumeration key values
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20100813 20:23:24< timotei> ancestral: you are still working with the ANTLR stuff?
20100813 20:23:36< ancestral> Oh yes
20100813 20:23:38< ancestral> Hey
20100813 20:23:42< ancestral> I still am
20100813 20:23:58< timotei> are you using pure antlr? or have a wrapper like xtext for it?
20100813 20:24:51< ancestral> It's for another project… I am using just ANTLR; another programmer who is using Python seems pretty sure he can tie it in without too much issue
20100813 20:25:11< timotei> did you build an ANTLR grammar for your language ?
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20100813 20:29:19< timotei> ancestral: I'm struggling with writing the wml grammar in an EBNF form
20100813 20:29:54< timotei> fendrin: ok, so we have the wmlkey key rules
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20100813 20:30:35< timotei> http://ietherpad.com/fG1Zq1oLEL
20100813 20:30:51< timotei> now for the 'hardest' part
20100813 20:30:55< timotei> wmlkey values
20100813 20:31:10< timotei> we have first the tstrings, : TSTRING: '_' STRING;
20100813 20:31:56< timotei> fendrin: around?
20100813 20:35:07< ancestral> Ooh
20100813 20:35:22< ancestral> timotei: I should show you my work
20100813 20:35:32< timotei> ancestral: ok
20100813 20:35:39< ancestral> To give you an idea
20100813 20:35:43< timotei> ok
20100813 20:36:39< ancestral> The thing with WML, and I could be very wrong, is that I don't know that all the elements (tags) follow consistent structure
20100813 20:37:29< ancestral> It also seems to get new keys and elements, and deprecate others, rather quickie
20100813 20:37:30< ancestral> Quickly
20100813 20:37:54< ancestral> timotei: Is your goal to provide a validator?
20100813 20:38:10< timotei> ancestral: hehe, validation will be just too easy
20100813 20:38:13< timotei> ancestral: with xtext
20100813 20:38:14< timotei> :)
20100813 20:38:18< timotei> the 'hard' part
20100813 20:38:27< timotei> is writing a grammar that supports all wml constructs;(
20100813 20:38:45< timotei> I had the same opinion about the grammar too.. (grammar of WML)
20100813 20:39:24< ancestral> So you want it to error if there's, say, a [eve] beneath a 
20100813 20:39:27< ancestral> Blah
20100813 20:39:43< timotei> one sec
20100813 20:40:02< timotei> ancestral: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml/src/org/wesnoth/WML.xtext?rev=45508&view=log
20100813 20:40:06< ancestral> If there's an [event] below a [color], something completely nonsensical?
20100813 20:40:08< timotei> look at the latest revision
20100813 20:40:24< timotei> no semantics checks needed
20100813 20:40:34< timotei> I just need to support the grammar (constructs)
20100813 20:42:51< timotei> eleazar: : a Òtime of dayÓ color shift.
20100813 20:42:56< ancestral> Brain is a little loose today. Do you mean making the rules?
20100813 20:42:58< timotei> what character is that?
20100813 20:43:03< timotei> yes
20100813 20:43:31< ancestral> Breaking things down like http://mproud.com/magic/cardparse2.png
20100813 20:44:17< timotei> wow..
20100813 20:44:29< ancestral> I bet Ò and Ó are mis-encoded double quotes
20100813 20:45:45< ancestral> timotei: I'll PM you what I have going on if that might help, so you can get an idea of how it might work or WML
20100813 20:45:49< ancestral> *for
20100813 20:46:08< ancestral> Not at my computer ATM but later today
20100813 20:46:43< timotei> ok;)
20100813 20:47:13< ancestral> I took a class on compilers, it was pretty awesome
20100813 20:47:36< timotei> wow, nice
20100813 20:47:42< timotei> I wish I had that too:)
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20100813 20:49:24< fendrin> timotei: yes
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20100813 20:50:44< timotei> good
20100813 20:50:51< timotei> and we have the key value:
20100813 20:50:58< timotei> name=WMLKey_KEY '=' value=WMLKey_VALUE;
20100813 20:51:08< timotei> the value ca be: a string, a tstring
20100813 20:51:46< timotei> right?
20100813 20:51:51< timotei> hi shadowmaster 
20100813 20:53:17< shadowmaster> hi there
20100813 20:53:32< timotei> how are ya doin?
20100813 20:54:07< fendrin> Yes, a string a translatable string or a space seperated list of words
20100813 20:54:10< fendrin> but not ids 
20100813 20:55:01< timotei> hmm
20100813 20:55:05< timotei> ok, that I missed
20100813 20:55:12< timotei> so we should add a new datatype rule:
20100813 20:55:14< timotei> WORD
20100813 20:55:19< timotei> which can contain anything basically?
20100813 20:55:30< shadowmaster> timotei: horrible. horrible since a dew weeks ago.
20100813 20:55:36< timotei> why?:(
20100813 20:55:55< shadowmaster> lots of personal problems. nothing I feel like sharing though.
20100813 20:56:18< timotei> oh
20100813 20:56:20< timotei> ok
20100813 21:02:23< CIA-49> eleazar * r45565 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: removed curly quotes from release notes.
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20100813 21:09:00< timotei> fendrin: around?
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20100813 21:41:27< fendrin> timotei: hi
20100813 21:41:55< timotei> fendrin: hey. please, tell me, what should the order of the completion list be?
20100813 21:42:01< timotei> key>tag>macro  is enough?
20100813 21:42:17< timotei> keyvalue>keyname>tag>macro
20100813 21:42:35< Upthorn> timotei: hi
20100813 21:42:42< timotei> hi Upthorn 
20100813 21:42:55< Upthorn> I'm having a really odd problem trying to compile wesnoth on windows 7
20100813 21:43:02< timotei> yes?
20100813 21:43:35< Upthorn> timotei: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/YT92fNrg
20100813 21:43:59< Upthorn> but when I go to that directory in explorer, I see vc90.pdb
20100813 21:44:09< timotei> one sec
20100813 21:44:28< timotei> umm...
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20100813 21:44:41< timotei> did you modify any.. parameters for the debug database?
20100813 21:44:49< Upthorn> no
20100813 21:44:53< timotei> or you are using the same as yu did before
20100813 21:45:14< Upthorn> I am using the code I checked out last night
20100813 21:45:26< Upthorn> whatever is on SVN trunk is what I have
20100813 21:45:36< Upthorn> well as of like 9 hours ago anyway
20100813 21:45:38< timotei> it might be because it's that space between debug and (fast0?
20100813 21:45:47< timotei> thous it's quoted
20100813 21:45:49< timotei> though*
20100813 21:45:58< timotei> I once run into that issue
20100813 21:46:04< timotei> clean+ rebuild did the fix
20100813 21:46:18< Upthorn> I just tried rebuild
20100813 21:47:00< timotei> hmm
20100813 21:48:59< Upthorn> though I didn't clean first so I'll try that too
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20100813 21:49:30< timotei> ok
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20100813 22:21:01< fendrin> timotei: I have thought about it.
20100813 22:21:39< fendrin> timotei: It should be only lexical 
20100813 22:22:10< fendrin> timotei: meaning if someone types "{" he will get all macros.
20100813 22:22:22< fendrin> [ will get all tags.
20100813 22:22:29< fendrin> otherwise attributes.
20100813 22:26:56< timotei> ok
20100813 22:28:15< boucman> anybody has a recent imagemagick ?
20100813 22:28:41< timotei> fendrin: 
20100813 22:28:57< timotei> how do we define a WORD?
20100813 22:29:02< timotei> WMLKey:
20100813 22:29:02< timotei> 	name=WMLKey_KEY '=' value=WMLKey_VALUE;
20100813 22:29:05< timotei> WMLKey_VALUE:
20100813 22:29:05< timotei> 	TSTRING | STRING | WORDLIST;
20100813 22:29:10< timotei> WORDLIST:
20100813 22:29:10< timotei> 	WORD*;
20100813 22:29:19< timotei> actually: WORDLIST:
20100813 22:29:19< timotei> WORD+;
20100813 22:32:43< loonycyborg> boucman: define recent
20100813 22:32:56< CIA-49> boucman * r45566 /trunk/images/arrows/ (90 files in 2 dirs): attempt at more readable arrows, not that highlighted and focused arrows were updatede but not the standard ones (I couldn't get mogrify to work)
20100813 22:33:20< boucman> which is able to run the command in images/arrows/standard/imagemagick_command.txt
20100813 22:33:23< boucman> :P
20100813 22:34:15< boucman> loonycyborg: if you have imagemagick installed, could you try for me it's a 1' job
20100813 22:34:33< boucman> copy all files from images/arrows/focus/ to images/arrows/standard/
20100813 22:34:36< boucman> then run the command
20100813 22:36:49< loonycyborg> I did so. It burned some cpu cycles and didn't print any messages.
20100813 22:37:03< boucman> did it change the images ?
20100813 22:38:32< loonycyborg> I do have changes.
20100813 22:39:10< loonycyborg> In end-n.png etc
20100813 22:39:54< loonycyborg> It mogified imagemagick_command.txt too :P
20100813 22:40:00< boucman> hehe
20100813 22:40:19< boucman> I know what you are supposed to see, but it's hard to explain
20100813 22:40:43< boucman> it should have made all image with 50% transparency, when compared to the original you copied from... can you see that ?
20100813 22:41:21< loonycyborg> I suppose I can paste it to imagebin
20100813 22:41:40< CIA-49> eleazar * r45567 /trunk/data/core/ (19 files in 2 dirs): much nicer sand or desert to water transitions. Also cleanup of terrain-graphics.cfg.
20100813 22:43:06< boucman> k, that could work, if imagemagick keeps the transparency
20100813 22:43:40< loonycyborg> http://imagebin.org/109537
20100813 22:44:37< boucman> loonycyborg: ok, I should have asked you to do a svn update before doing that :P
20100813 22:44:41< alink> boucman: if it's just to get 50% transparency, there is a ~O(50%) image path function
20100813 22:45:50< boucman> alink: no... we are doing 50% to make it visible because gabba and I are not artists, but the idea is that real artists can replace with different images
20100813 22:46:22< alink> boucman: ok, I was half expecting such answer ;)
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20100813 22:53:22< nulloid> hi
20100813 22:53:38< nulloid> i have a question
20100813 22:54:52< eleazar> ask...
20100813 22:54:55< nulloid> so
20100813 22:55:09< nulloid> will be there a feature to swap two (adjacent) units?
20100813 22:55:25< boucman> nulloid: no, most likely not...
20100813 22:55:34< nulloid> why?
20100813 22:56:28< boucman> you'd be better asking an mp dev, but it's complicated to implement for little gain, and any player with a couple of games under his belt is able to micro-manage this
20100813 22:56:56< nulloid> ah.. thanks :)
20100813 22:57:50< CIA-49> eleazar * r45568 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/flat/ (12 files): improved transition of bank with dirt and road.
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20100813 23:00:07< nulloid> boucman: who are the mp devs? (by name :))
20100813 23:00:27< boucman> silene, noy...
20100813 23:00:36< boucman> you could ask on the mp forum, too
20100813 23:00:43< nulloid> good idea
20100813 23:00:57< nulloid> well, thanks for the help :)
20100813 23:01:00< eleazar> IIRC it's an interface issue too.  Wesnoth works with one button
20100813 23:01:15< nulloid> well...
20100813 23:01:16< eleazar> when you click on a unit you own you select it
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20100813 23:01:27< nulloid> right click?
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20100813 23:01:45< eleazar> right click brings up the contextual menu
20100813 23:02:06< nulloid> with plus one option...
20100813 23:02:18< nulloid> well... ok, that's ugly :D
20100813 23:02:26< eleazar> we don't want to complicate the controls
20100813 23:02:42< loonycyborg> boucman: Anyway, that's how it looks after updating and trying again: http://imagebin.org/109541
20100813 23:02:48< nulloid> so better be smart with unit placement
20100813 23:03:40< boucman> loonycyborg: ok, it worked could you commit all these images ?
20100813 23:04:02< loonycyborg> What should be in the commit message?
20100813 23:04:21< boucman> "complete boucman's last commit by providing standard arrows"
20100813 23:05:29< billynux> off, see ya'
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20100813 23:06:08< CIA-49> loonycyborg * r45569 /trunk/images/arrows/standard/ (59 files): Complete boucman's last commit by providing standard arrows
20100813 23:06:27< boucman> thx a lot, now I can see what it really looks like :D
20100813 23:06:51< loonycyborg> np
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20100813 23:08:21< boucman> yay, much better :)
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20100813 23:25:15< timotei> good night guys. I'm out
20100813 23:27:32< eleazar> I do not understand this: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/TerrainGraphicsTutorial#Cumulative_Probabilities
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20100813 23:28:14< eleazar> Can someone give me a list of the numbers i need to input to get an even divide of eleven entries?
20100813 23:28:19-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.0 planned for Monday (2010-08-16), 19:00 GMT | 138 bugs, 287 feature requests, 13 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20100813 23:30:29< eleazar> never mind--- i got it
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20100813 23:36:54< CIA-49> eleazar * r45570 /trunk/data/core/ (terrain-graphics.cfg terrain.cfg): as requested added a desert plants overlay without the skulls and ribs.
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20100813 23:44:44< eleazar> i think i'm done for the day--
20100813 23:44:49< eleazar> farewell.
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20100813 23:56:16< gabba> bonjour
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20100813 23:58:17< boucman> salut gabba
20100813 23:58:29< gabba> salut boucman
20100813 23:58:38< boucman> j'ai refait les flèches, c'est pas génial, mais ça devrait déja être plus lisible....
20100813 23:58:45< boucman> essaye et dis moi ce que tu en pense...
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