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20100817 00:57:18< SpoOkyMagician> question: the sxc maintainers are wondering, what happens if you set turns to anything above 99 or 100? does it assume -1 or does it end at the turn specifiyed?
20100817 00:57:46< SpoOkyMagician> (as well i am myself curious)
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20100817 00:58:38< SpoOkyMagician> like: turns=150 (for example)
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20100817 01:07:57< Sapient> SpoOkyMagician: well I haven't tried it, but my guess is it would be cut off at the highest value on the MP settings slider
20100817 01:08:17< Sapient> unless you use map settings, in which case it might work
20100817 01:08:30< SpoOkyMagician> hm... i see
20100817 01:08:50< Sapient> it can also be set from within the scenario
20100817 01:09:11< SpoOkyMagician> yea they have it set and default settings on
20100817 01:09:13< Sapient> in a start event, for example
20100817 01:10:57< shadowmaster> Sapient: you were looking for me?
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20100817 01:12:32< Sapient> shadowmaster: you can't follow the links from the page of one of the links in your signature
20100817 01:13:08< Sapient> to be specific, coc.wesnoth.org doesn't link to other wiki articles properly
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20100817 01:13:43< shadowmaster> Sapient: okay, I'm not sure about that.
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20100817 01:14:14< shadowmaster> Soliton might now what's going on with coc.wesnoth.org's wiki links that breaks them.
20100817 01:14:21< shadowmaster> know
20100817 01:14:44< shadowmaster> the rewrite rules at the server are far too complicated to dare to even read them, and I don't have my SSH key on this machine.
20100817 01:15:20< Sapient> it should probably just do a forward
20100817 01:15:47< SpoOkyMagician> well, thanks Sapient. (returns to what I was doing)
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20100817 01:45:19< ultram> hi, can someone tell me the difference between wesnoth and wesnoth-nolog?
20100817 01:46:20< ultram> i checked what exec is linked to my wesnoth icon and its not wesnoth but wesnoth-nolog!
20100817 01:46:38< ultram> no explanation of this can be found in --help and MAN pages
20100817 01:46:45< ultram> please help
20100817 01:49:20< Sapient> ultram: what is your operating system?
20100817 01:50:39< ultram> linux mint
20100817 01:51:44< ultram> dev channel and nobody knows about this ? wow
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20100817 01:53:44< Gambit> ultram: It may not be that people don't know.
20100817 01:53:49< Gambit> People may not be around.
20100817 01:54:04< ultram> well 53 ppl are around
20100817 01:54:08< Gambit> They/We stay connected all the time.
20100817 01:54:13< ultram> but i guess they aint no dev
20100817 01:54:16< ultram> s
20100817 01:54:23< Gambit> Some aren't (myself included)
20100817 01:54:38< Gambit> But just because one is connected to IRC doesn't mean they're sitting at the computer with the window open.
20100817 01:54:57< ultram> i gues ur right
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20100817 02:00:07< Sapient> and some of us don't use linux
20100817 02:00:21< Sapient> such as myself
20100817 02:00:33< Sapient> have fun, cya later
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20100817 02:00:43< ultram> gr8t
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20100817 02:47:25< Valkier> ancestral: Your PMs man!
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20100817 03:55:54< Gambit> Upthorn: I was just nosing the wiki, when I was (very pleasantly) surprised by the fact that persistent variables now work in MP. Congrats on getting that done! And thanks :D
20100817 04:03:18< Gambit> I believe that a very basic, in-game, scenario editor is now possible.
20100817 04:06:30< Aethaeryn> Gambit: what are you talking about? I have an in-game scenario editor in Masters of Dungeons in 1.8
20100817 04:06:43< Aethaeryn> If you mean that you can now save the dungeons, then yes, that's possible now I think.
20100817 04:07:09< Aethaeryn> also, apparently no one other than me has the patience to create nice stuff one-hex-at-a-time so I'll have to tweak it significantly.
20100817 04:07:17< Aethaeryn> i.e. I've never seen anyone else host that scenario right
20100817 04:07:21< Gambit> Aethaeryn: I'm pseudoimaginicoding a scenario editor that also includes events
20100817 04:07:45< Aethaeryn> well, Master of Dungeons is technically not a map editor, but a scenario editor, since it includes unit placement.
20100817 04:07:59< Aethaeryn> and a handful of other planned scenario-manipulation events
20100817 04:08:02< Gambit> Aethaeryn: No. It's a map editor + unit placement :P
20100817 04:08:08< Gambit> You can't add events and dialogue.
20100817 04:08:15< Aethaeryn> you *can* add dialog
20100817 04:08:27< Aethaeryn> you cannot edit shops, change teams, etc., *yet*
20100817 04:08:51< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Yeah I think the only way to save that addon will to make a mode where people can setup their dungeons ahead of time
20100817 04:08:52< Gambit> Save them
20100817 04:08:54< Aethaeryn> But that's mainly because the last two weeks spare time were spent tunnling stuff and building bridges
20100817 04:08:55< Gambit> and then take them online
20100817 04:08:58< Aethaeryn> due to a certain evil person
20100817 04:08:59< Gambit> Aethaeryn: And now you can! :D
20100817 04:09:21< Aethaeryn> Gambit: I don't need that addon "saved" from people playing it horribly.
20100817 04:09:28< Aethaeryn> I've always only made my stuff for my own personal use.
20100817 04:09:31< Aethaeryn> I just share it 'cuz I'm nice.
20100817 04:09:39< Gambit> Aethaeryn: You cannot expect players of the dungeon do not want to sit and wait whilst the DM sets it up
20100817 04:09:42< Gambit> That is rediculous
20100817 04:09:45< Aethaeryn> Just because other people can't improvise maps isn't my problem.
20100817 04:10:02< Gambit> s/do not/to/
20100817 04:10:02< Aethaeryn> I've had about 3-4 good games on that scenario so I know it's possible.
20100817 04:10:14< Aethaeryn> also
20100817 04:10:16< Gambit> Aethaeryn: And were you the DM?
20100817 04:10:20< Aethaeryn> yeah, ofc
20100817 04:10:26< Gambit> Aethaeryn: You, who has the most practice (and therefore speed) of anyone?
20100817 04:10:37< Aethaeryn> as I've said, just because other people play my stuff badly doesn't make it my fault.
20100817 04:10:56< Aethaeryn> I will add shortcuts like fill room or multiple-hex-switching or w/e, but for my personal benefit because the larger rooms *are* a pain in the ass.
20100817 04:11:39< Gambit> Now people could actually write their own languages
20100817 04:11:42< Gambit> and a WML parser.
20100817 04:11:44< Gambit> Hehe.
20100817 04:11:46< Aethaeryn> Technically, I only publish "Aethaeryn's Maps" because other people want to play my stuff when I'm not online... or they say they do, I probably host at least 50% of all games with my mappack. :-P
20100817 04:12:19< Aethaeryn> And at least 30-40% are just people with no observers, a random stupid era, and not even English-speaking at all so I can't observe :-P
20100817 04:12:39< Aethaeryn> No one respects UMC. :-P
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20100817 05:28:19-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.0 delayed because of bug #16456, releasing once it is fixed and Ivanovic got enough time | 137 bugs, 289 feature requests, 12 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20100817 05:36:30< CIA-49> alink * r45806 /trunk/src/ (display.hpp game_display.cpp): 
20100817 05:36:30< CIA-49> Move layers of mouseover_hex, selected_hex and attack_indicator under unit bars.
20100817 05:36:30< CIA-49> Also move mouseover_hex under attack_indicator (but doesn't change much because of the transparency)
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20100817 06:05:01< CIA-49> jetryl * r45807 /trunk/data/core/ (4 files in 2 dirs): New leading animation for the sergeant.
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20100817 07:35:32< CIA-49> silene * r45808 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/scenarios/13_Peoples_in_Decline.cfg: Changed to use the same style as the previous message.
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20100817 08:13:19< zookeeper> sigh. even the dwarvish guardsman's melee anim lacks a start_time=. i wonder how many others are botched up like that...
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20100817 08:28:19< rusty> zookeeper: someone mentioned you're thinking of reworking the tutorial?
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20100817 08:31:36< zookeeper> rusty, yes
20100817 08:31:44< zookeeper> a complete rewrite actually
20100817 08:41:15-!- Soliton changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.0 delayed because of bug #16456, releasing once Ivanovic got enough time | 137 bugs, 289 feature requests, 12 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20100817 09:00:31< rusty> Hi noy!
20100817 09:00:44< noy> Hey rusty...
20100817 09:00:54< noy> I'm just off to bed unfortunately
20100817 09:00:58< noy> I might be on tomorrow
20100817 09:01:20< rusty> noy: ok, no problems!
20100817 09:01:27< noy> night
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20100817 09:05:26< Soliton> Sapient, shadowmaster: fixed the coc page.
20100817 09:14:37< Soliton> hrm, some questionable edits by http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Special:Contributions/Kaao
20100817 09:19:19< silene> some of them are actually making sense; i guess it's just an average user
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20100817 09:44:16< Ivanovic> moin
20100817 09:45:40< Crab_> hi, Ivanovic
20100817 09:48:40< timotei> bah, I hate it
20100817 09:48:50< timotei> Ivanovic: who does the git archive on the website?
20100817 09:48:57< timotei> I've downloaded it but cannot setup it :(
20100817 09:49:02< Ivanovic> i think that is Soliton
20100817 09:49:08< timotei> neither in windows nor in linux:|
20100817 09:49:12< timotei> Soliton: ping
20100817 09:49:21< timotei> and I've done the same as other times
20100817 09:49:24< timotei> git reset --hard
20100817 09:49:26< timotei> and then rebase
20100817 09:49:34< timotei> but rebase it isn't doing anything
20100817 09:50:56< timotei> Am I missing something?
20100817 09:51:46< Crab_> timotei: what `git svn info` says ?
20100817 09:51:59< timotei> hmm
20100817 09:52:04< timotei> one sec
20100817 09:52:20< Crab_> (I'm wondering if you're on the `right` branch atm.)
20100817 09:52:33< timotei> I'm on master
20100817 09:52:37< timotei> did git checkout master
20100817 09:53:01< Crab_> does 'git fetch' do anything useful ?
20100817 09:53:14< timotei> Crab_: it did update the files, but no rebase
20100817 09:53:26< timotei> and the history isn't ..'correct'
20100817 09:53:32< Crab_> can you paste the output of git svn info ?
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20100817 09:55:09< timotei> no luck with that command. it just stays there
20100817 09:55:39< Crab_> you mean, `git svn info` doesn't output anything ?
20100817 09:55:44< timotei> yep
20100817 09:56:49< Crab_> can you re-checkout a new branch from remotes/trunk ?
20100817 09:57:12< timotei> how?
20100817 09:57:39< Soliton> timotei: you can compare the md5 checksum of your downloaded file with wesnoth-git.tar.bz2.md5 on wesnoth.org.
20100817 09:57:47< Crab_> timotei: afair,  git checkout remotes/trunk   and then git branch (with some arguments)
20100817 09:58:03< Soliton> i'll also make a new tarball now.
20100817 09:58:51< Soliton> (which means that md5 file will be overwritten in a while.)
20100817 09:59:38< timotei> Soliton: ok, thanks
20100817 10:00:11< timotei> Soliton: it's the same
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20100817 10:05:47< timotei> Soliton: ping me when it's uploaded.
20100817 10:06:47< timotei> anyway I guess I'm back on windows. till my notebook's wireless is repaire
20100817 10:12:16< Soliton> timotei: it's up.
20100817 10:12:41< timotei> thank you
20100817 10:13:09< timotei> wow 30 kilos
20100817 10:13:31< Soliton> we should eventually take some time to setup a proper git mirror...
20100817 10:14:35< timotei> hmm, what would that mean?
20100817 10:14:40< timotei> oh
20100817 10:14:42< timotei> right
20100817 10:15:03< timotei> is it possible to make an automated mirroring system?
20100817 10:15:24< Soliton> both ways? not sure.
20100817 10:15:44< Soliton> just for downloading, sure.
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20100817 11:22:46< Crab_> Upthorn, Ivanovic: I've filled out that mentor's evaluation form at google.
20100817 11:23:18< Ivanovic> Crab_: cool!
20100817 11:24:00< Ivanovic> so only timotei and fabi go to fill out their evals
20100817 11:24:05< timotei21> oh
20100817 11:24:12< timotei21> ops, we are the last?:D
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20100817 11:24:16< Ivanovic> (that is: the existing ones can of course still be edited and further improved)
20100817 11:24:40< timotei> Ivanovic: I'm writing it now, and going over it again to see nothing missed
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20100817 11:28:19-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.0 delayed because of bug #16456, releasing once Ivanovic got enough time | 136 bugs, 289 feature requests, 12 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20100817 11:37:59< timotei> hmm
20100817 11:39:06< timotei> the default config works
20100817 11:40:34< timotei> Soliton: it seems if I change the addres tO: svn+ssh://timotei@svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth it doesn't work anymore:|
20100817 11:41:12< Soliton> you need to pull a new revision to properly make that switch.
20100817 11:41:39< timotei> so, git fetch -rHEAD?
20100817 11:41:42< timotei> git svn*
20100817 11:41:58< Soliton> once there is one, yes.
20100817 11:44:55< CIA-49> timotei * r45809 /trunk/utils/java/update_site/index.html: eclipse plugin: add year to last updated time on plugin's update site
20100817 11:45:33< Soliton> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitSvnSwitch
20100817 11:46:11< timotei> thanks
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20100817 11:51:56< timotei> that did. pfew
20100817 11:57:57< timotei> Ivanovic: What one thing could your mentor or mentoring organization do differently or better for future students?
20100817 11:58:01< timotei> what if everything was the best?
20100817 11:58:27< Ivanovic> timotei: just reply "there is nothing that comes to my mind that could work better"
20100817 11:58:32< Ivanovic> or something along those lines
20100817 11:58:33< timotei> thanks
20100817 11:58:52< Ivanovic> (you could also add "allow more students in so that more can experience this")
20100817 11:58:53< Ivanovic> ;)
20100817 11:59:07< timotei> oh yeah, right
20100817 11:59:49< timotei> well, submited
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20100817 12:00:38< Ivanovic> billynux, gabba, timotei, Upthorn, boucman, Crab_, fabi, mordante: of course you can always edit the eval to add more details or change some thing till the time is up on friday
20100817 12:01:27< Crab_> ok
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20100817 15:37:51< Unnheulu> eleazar, what's up with Rp?
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20100817 16:00:48< Ivanovic> eleazar: added your screenshots (yes, 1.9.0 is not done yet and most likely i won't do it today but some time tomorrow)
20100817 16:00:50< Ivanovic> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Screenshots
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20100817 16:03:29< Unnheulu> What's to the north of wesnoth?
20100817 16:03:34< Unnheulu> Where the Wesmere Forest is
20100817 16:03:54< Unnheulu> Ah, Northlands
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20100817 16:35:49< Soliton> ilor_: how's the campaignd rewrite coming? :-)
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20100817 19:10:35< shadowmaster> ohhh. cpu at 87°C 
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20100817 19:48:26< Smar> shadowmaster: mine were at 100°... water cooler’s pump stopped working
20100817 19:48:39< Smar> system started to miss bits quite well.
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20100817 20:07:34< elias> mine goes to 100+ whenever i compile wesnoth, and my system has been running for years now :)
20100817 20:08:01< elias> coolest a core ever goes is around 60° when completely idle
20100817 20:08:02< timotei> elias: non-stop?
20100817 20:08:24< elias> no, it goes down to around 90° after a few seconds with fans spinning up fully
20100817 20:09:39< elias> oh, or if you meant my system, no... only switch it on while i'm here
20100817 20:12:19< Upthorn> elias: laptop or desktop?
20100817 20:15:19< elias> desktop
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20100817 20:23:34< Upth> I have not had a laptop reach above 100°C without shutting down
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20100817 21:10:20< fendrin> so
20100817 21:11:56< Smar> well, it depends of cpu too
20100817 21:12:34< Smar> and that much heat to cpu usually indicates that other parts are getting overheated too
20100817 21:12:42< Smar> most notably, motherboard
20100817 21:13:54< fendrin> timotei: hi
20100817 21:14:49< fendrin> esr: ping
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20100817 21:16:38< Soliton> thespaceinvader: do you know if http://gna.org/bugs/?15724 is won't fix?
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20100817 21:17:38< thespaceinvader> anything that is an alternate (anything labelled -2) doesn't need a black background version, since only one portrait is used by the help
20100817 21:18:08< timotei> hi fendrin 
20100817 21:18:10< thespaceinvader> ghoul.png is fixed already since we put a new portrait in
20100817 21:18:34< timotei> fendrin: have you managed to fill in the eval?
20100817 21:18:34< esr> fendrin: You rang?
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20100817 21:18:45< thespaceinvader> brown-lich could probably be removed if it's unused, since it's ugly and out-of-style
20100817 21:18:54< fendrin> timotei: No, did not do a single character into it :-)
20100817 21:19:01< timotei> fendrin: oh:D
20100817 21:19:08< thespaceinvader> the sea serpent will probably be replaced eventually, but could be moved into a transparent version and a black background version
20100817 21:19:10< Soliton> thespaceinvader: ok... please mark the report as you see fit.
20100817 21:19:21< fendrin> esr: There is still an issue left to make the wmltools work in timotei's eclipse plugin.
20100817 21:20:03< esr> fendrin: Speed?
20100817 21:20:23< fendrin> esr: We need a command option that presents the errors/warnings/output in a better parse-able format in order to make eclipse happy.
20100817 21:21:19< esr> Wgt's wrong with GCC-style error tags?  If Exclipse can't parse those, I'd say that's a serious bug in Eclipse.
20100817 21:22:34< timotei> fendrin, esr where can I test wmllint/wmlscope on? so I can actually see errors/warning?
20100817 21:22:54< timotei> esr: based on what I saw, there were some error messages not having the same format error, iirc
20100817 21:26:54< fendrin> esr: I think it's a good idea to have the output separated on different channels. Everything that is not important for eclipse could be not printed at all or go into stderr while the rest goes to stdout.
20100817 21:27:01< esr> timotei: All the line-specific messages from those tools are in a gcc-compatible format.  I designed it that way so I could step through them using Emacs compilation mode.
20100817 21:27:27< timotei> esr: btw, I got errors on wmlscope. let'me pastebin
20100817 21:27:54< timotei> esr: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/ghT9qWSP
20100817 21:27:59< fendrin> timotei: I think you will get many wmllint errors when downloading a campaign from the addon server that has a silly name.
20100817 21:28:10< timotei> esr: I runned them:  python data/tools/wmlscope --crossreference --collisions data/campaigns/
20100817 21:28:43< timotei> fendrin: ok, let's try
20100817 21:30:34< esr> Running on mainline...
20100817 21:32:28< fendrin> esr: Ah, right. There are still not finished prose lines in LoW...
20100817 21:32:48< timotei> esr: ah, I forgot data/core :P
20100817 21:33:22< fendrin> timotei: You won't get much usable response from wmltools when running without core involved...
20100817 21:33:29< esr> timotei: That would do it.  Youu should look at the Makefile in data/tools and try to use one of those productions.
20100817 21:34:02< CIA-49> thespaceinvader * r45810 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add missing help version for Sea Serpent portrait. Update changelog.
20100817 21:34:13< thespaceinvader> Soliton: fixed that and updated
20100817 21:34:18< timotei> esr: hmm, so we have: "sourcefile", line x: <error message> ?
20100817 21:34:22< esr> Somebody is referencing a nonexistent soundfile.
20100817 21:34:42< esr> timotei: That's right.  All errors with a line location do that.
20100817 21:35:31< timotei> esr: but still, there were some other kind of errors, let'me try again
20100817 21:35:35< Soliton> thespaceinvader: cool, thanks.
20100817 21:35:59< timotei> esr: but anyways, it would be nice to have errors on stderr, and output to user on stdout
20100817 21:36:18< timotei> esr: like fendrin said. I will process stderr, and pipe stdout to user
20100817 21:36:37< timotei> esr: d:\home\Games\Battle for Wesnoth 1.8.3\data\core\sounds\bat-hit-2.ogg this is a totaly different erros
20100817 21:36:42< timotei> s/erros/errors
20100817 21:36:47< timotei> s/errors/error
20100817 21:36:54< Soliton> esr: are you going to fix http://gna.org/bugs/?16021 ?
20100817 21:36:54< timotei> and with % between some lines
20100817 21:36:59< esr> I don't think there is any "output to user" in that sense.
20100817 21:37:38< esr> Soliton: Yes, it's in progress.  I should mark it that way.
20100817 21:37:53< Soliton> thanks.
20100817 21:38:08< timotei> and with % between some lines
20100817 21:38:11< timotei> esr: then, how should I handle things like: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/FtAew5up ?
20100817 21:39:15< esr> timotei: By reporting a bug so I can fix the error.,  Users should never see a traceback.
20100817 21:40:08< timotei> esr: hmm, is that an error?
20100817 21:40:17< timotei> esr: I don't get the meaning of those sounds/images
20100817 21:40:48< esr> timotei: Sorry, I had the wrong pastebin.
20100817 21:40:51< esr> Looking..
20100817 21:42:13< timotei> ok
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20100817 21:43:52< CIA-49> alink * r45811 /trunk/src/generate_report.cpp: 
20100817 21:43:52< CIA-49> Unify sidebar tootlips for ability and weapon special:
20100817 21:43:53< CIA-49> show category, name and description (name will be bold later)
20100817 21:44:10< timotei> ha??
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20100817 21:46:03< esr> timotei: I think the MD5 support under Windows much be broken,.  Each span of lines between %% is supposed to be a clique of files with the same MD5 - the idea is to find duplicates that can be removed from mainline.  One of your cliques is far tyoo large.  (And there is no reason I can think of for Eclipse to invoke this report.)
20100817 21:46:27< timotei> esr: I runned it from command line
20100817 21:47:05< esr> Right.  I'm saying your MD5 hash support looks badly broken.  I'll try it under Linix.
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20100817 21:48:35< timotei> hmm
20100817 21:48:43< timotei> let me try from the original windows cmd.
20100817 21:51:39< timotei> the same thing
20100817 21:53:56< timotei> fendrin: the standalone app takes contour:)
20100817 21:54:15< timotei> fendrin: I wonder if we can make it finished by the time ivanovic release 1.9.0
20100817 21:54:20< timotei> maybe we can somehow integrate it
20100817 21:54:24< timotei> with the game
20100817 21:55:05< fendrin> timotei: Well, that would be a little to much extra download size. But we can summon Rhonda for a debian package.
20100817 21:55:17< Gambit> Is trunk's add-on server broken?
20100817 21:55:28< timotei> fendrin: the wrong term. not integrate, but alongside:P
20100817 21:55:29< Gambit> I'm guessing no since I do see 5 add-ons there.
20100817 21:55:36< timotei> Gambit: why to be broken?
20100817 21:55:46< Gambit> timotei: Every time I try to upload it crashes.
20100817 21:55:50< timotei> Gambit: if there are few that doesn't mean it's broken.
20100817 21:55:55< Gambit> Right after hitting okay on the GPL agreement.
20100817 21:55:55< timotei> Gambit: upload, and press cancel?
20100817 21:55:56< timotei> :)
20100817 21:56:06< timotei> Gambit: let'me check
20100817 21:56:39< Gambit> timotei: Well upload->cancel doesn't crash it at least. :)
20100817 21:56:48< timotei> P
20100817 21:56:49< timotei> :P
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20100817 21:59:31< Gambit> Well I am 200 revisions behind I guess...
20100817 21:59:41< Gambit> I'll update and try again.
20100817 21:59:43< timotei> :)
20100817 21:59:44< timotei> ok
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20100817 22:03:21< Gambit> Crab_: Hey I noticed persistent variables are working now — awesome :)
20100817 22:03:31< Crab_> thanks to Upthorn
20100817 22:03:58< Crab_> feedback is welcome, especially for MP :)
20100817 22:04:55< Gambit> A key; encrypt=yes|no would be cool.
20100817 22:05:03< Gambit> But I haven't actually used them yet other than to test that they work. :)
20100817 22:05:35< Gambit> I'm not to that point in my current project yet.
20100817 22:07:17< Gambit> And I really like they it allows for loading from a particular side.
20100817 22:07:22< Gambit> *that
20100817 22:08:45 * Rhonda nibbles on fendrin
20100817 22:08:57< Rhonda> what what what now?
20100817 22:09:02< fendrin> Rhonda: hi
20100817 22:09:38< fendrin> Rhonda: Timotei created a plugin to eclipse that handles umc.
20100817 22:09:51< fendrin> Rhonda: Can you make debian packages please?
20100817 22:10:13< fendrin> Rhonda: There is a plugin for eclipse and a standalone version. 
20100817 22:10:42< timotei> I think we need package just for standalone version. since the plugin part is installable from eclipse via update site
20100817 22:11:46< fendrin> timotei: Right, and debian/ubuntu doesn't offer the right version of eclipse to support the plugin.
20100817 22:12:02< fendrin> Rhonda: So we need just a package for the standalone version.
20100817 22:13:16< Rhonda> eclipse? Only if you pay me for doing it.
20100817 22:14:05< Rhonda> I stay away from java madness if possible.
20100817 22:14:59< Gambit> Nope it still crashes when I try to upload. :(
20100817 22:15:06< Gambit> I tried a different add-on too.
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20100817 22:17:00< Rhonda> fendrin, timotei: If I wouldn't have to invest too much into it I might do it. If it requires more effort than a quick adaption I demand compensation for personal suffering.
20100817 22:17:18< timotei> Rhonda: ok. I'll try make it painless :)
20100817 22:17:29< timotei> Rhonda: I'll ping when it's ready
20100817 22:17:33< timotei> thanks
20100817 22:18:24< esr> fendrin: Would you please stop putting translation marks *inside* strings?  I don't think they work there.
20100817 22:18:36< Rhonda> I can hand you my amazon wishlist nevertheless. Or … hand you my flattr link.
20100817 22:19:07< timotei> umm. you really want to be payed? :-S
20100817 22:21:08-!- MeccaGod [~majs@h14n4fls31o279.telia.com] has quit []
20100817 22:21:54< Rhonda> I have a kid and limited spare time and too many burden on my shoulder already with what I do already.
20100817 22:22:51< Rhonda> People regular push further burden to me because I do my job well without thinking that my time is limited, too.
20100817 22:24:15< timotei> Rhonda: what does packaging mean to you? making it available through debian apt repositories?
20100817 22:24:21< Rhonda> … or resources. My primary working environment started to give me pain recently, had to remap the apple key to function as control key because that one stopped working. Will have to find a replacement system.
20100817 22:24:49< Rhonda> That, and maintaining it, keep it working and up to date.
20100817 22:25:15< Rhonda> People regularly did send me thank messages about that I'm faster with uploading new wesnoth releases than Ivanovic is with announcing them officially.
20100817 22:25:39< Rhonda> Unfortunately people don't see the enormous time this consumes, though.
20100817 22:26:25< Rhonda> With offering it through the various different channels, like tracking security issues for at least 5 different releases, if not more.
20100817 22:26:48< timotei> oh
20100817 22:27:14< Rhonda> This isn't meant as whining at all. It is just meant to get you an idea of what I actually did invest over the last years.
20100817 22:27:47< Gambit> What does: "what():  Received message from a non connected component." mean?
20100817 22:28:08< timotei> I understand
20100817 22:28:15< Rhonda> I do it because I believe in wesnoth. But then, I could very much easily invest the amount of time in other things too, things that might feel more rewarding for the future of my son.
20100817 22:32:30< Soliton> Gambit: that billynux is going to fix your bug.
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20100817 22:32:53< Gambit> Soliton: Oh good.
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20100817 22:36:06< esr> thespaceinvader: Heads up!  You brok The South Guard!
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20100817 22:36:24< thespaceinvader> esr: how so?
20100817 22:37:10< esr> Unresolved reference to an unknown unit type, "Soutg Guard Commander"
20100817 22:37:13< thespaceinvader> the changing of the cfg titles for Gerrick?  I made sure to keep the unit ID the same
20100817 22:37:39< esr> Next time, run wmllint before you commit
20100817 22:38:06 * esr slaps thespaceinvader with the Mackerel of Chastisement
20100817 22:38:35< fendrin> esr: No, they don't. I do this because I don't want to bother the translaters with stubs and wmllint helps me to find the stubs again.
20100817 22:39:00< esr> fendrin: I see.
20100817 22:39:05< thespaceinvader> esr: i didn't change that ID
20100817 22:39:17< thespaceinvader> I only added animations to an extant cfg
20100817 22:39:33< esr> thespaceinvader: svn log say you were the last person to touch that file.
20100817 22:39:35< CIA-49> esr * r45812 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Dialog polish and wmllint fixes.
20100817 22:39:38< thespaceinvader> though indirectly, I did somehow manage to remove the damn thing entirely when I wired in the animations before
20100817 22:39:54< fendrin> Rhonda: What kind of compensation do you have in mind?
20100817 22:39:56< thespaceinvader> zookeeper put in the replacement cfg last week, which has the id 'Infantry Commander
20100817 22:40:13< esr> Dou yiu have any idea what that advancement is supposed to be?
20100817 22:41:09< thespaceinvader> esr: compare rev 43229 with rev 43228 - it would appear that the original ID was 'South Guard Commander'
20100817 22:41:36< thespaceinvader> also, i have no idea how to run wmllint
20100817 22:42:35< esr> thespaceinvader: Running 'make' from data/tools will invoke all the sanity-checkers.  Please make a frequent habit of it when you change things.  
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20100817 22:42:45< Rhonda> fendrin: What you might see fit.
20100817 22:43:02< thespaceinvader>     advances_to=South Guard Commander is the line from the Infantry Lieutenant
20100817 22:43:55< thespaceinvader> it will, i;m sure, horrify you that I don't know how to do that either
20100817 22:44:15< thespaceinvader> i've no clue how python works at all in fact
20100817 22:44:25< esr> thespaceinvader: You don't have to.
20100817 22:44:31< zookeeper> uh
20100817 22:44:34 * zookeeper looks
20100817 22:44:57< zookeeper> wow, that's messed up.
20100817 22:45:13< esr> thespaceinvader: What are you running under?
20100817 22:45:19< thespaceinvader> windows xp
20100817 22:46:16< CIA-49> zookeeper * r45813 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/units/Infantry_Lieutenant.cfg: Fixed messed up unit id's.
20100817 22:47:50< stikonas> tough :)
20100817 22:48:56< timotei> fendrin: what about this: 
20100817 22:49:18< timotei> fendrin: since unterminated tags are used withing #define #enddef, I can ignore everything it's in there. is that ok?:)
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20100817 22:49:34< timotei> fendrin: basically, no features inside #define directives?
20100817 22:49:38< timotei> s/?/
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20100817 22:51:39< billynux> hi Gambit, could you attach the file of the add-on to the bug report? :)
20100817 22:51:49< billynux> (just being lazy)
20100817 22:52:05< Gambit> Okay. The code is macro hell but I'll zip it up.
20100817 22:52:26< billynux> thanks
20100817 22:52:37< Gambit> .tar.gz okay?
20100817 22:52:41< billynux> yeah
20100817 22:52:53< billynux> I'm guessing that it crashes with any add-on you try to upload (never tested that code :( )
20100817 22:53:09< billynux> so, any link or whatever to an uploadable add-on will suffice
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20100817 22:53:31< Gambit> Hmm could it have anything to do with the .wesnoth and .project files?
20100817 22:53:38< Gambit> I didn't notice them until just now when I was compressing.
20100817 22:53:41< Gambit> timotei: poke
20100817 22:53:51< timotei> hmm
20100817 22:53:56< timotei> you can not include them
20100817 22:54:04< timotei> are not necessary only for the plugin
20100817 22:54:06< billynux> Gambit, I don't know
20100817 22:54:18< timotei> it doesnbut wait
20100817 22:54:22< timotei> hmm
20100817 22:54:26< timotei> what error you get?
20100817 22:54:27< Gambit> I'll try one more time after deleting those
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20100817 22:54:38< timotei> then the upload code is not good enough
20100817 22:54:40< boucman> hey all
20100817 22:54:43< timotei> it SHOULD skip hidden file s:)
20100817 22:54:44< timotei> .
20100817 22:54:45< billynux> Gambit, ok, let me know
20100817 22:54:46< timotei> .*
20100817 22:54:47< timotei> hi Bob_The_Mighty 
20100817 22:54:49< timotei> hi boucman 
20100817 22:54:58< Bob_The_Mighty> hi
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20100817 22:55:20< Gambit> Nope
20100817 22:55:25< gabba> bonjour
20100817 22:55:28< timotei> Bob_The_Mighty: sorry, autcomplete fail :P
20100817 22:55:35< billynux> bonjour gabba 
20100817 22:55:38< Bob_The_Mighty> :(
20100817 22:55:43< gabba> salut billynux
20100817 22:55:57< boucman> salut gabba
20100817 22:56:02< gabba> hey boucman
20100817 22:56:11< timotei> Gambit: nope wha?
20100817 22:56:26< CIA-49> zookeeper * r45814 /trunk/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/15_Civil_War.cfg: Fixed a bug which allowing the scenario to be won just by reaching the signpost.
20100817 22:56:36< Gambit> timotei: Nope that wasn't the problem.
20100817 22:56:41< timotei> pfiu
20100817 22:56:42< timotei> I knew it
20100817 22:56:56< Gambit> billynux: Okay it's uploaded to the bug report
20100817 22:57:11< billynux> Gambit, thanks
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20100817 22:57:42< gabba> timotei: I tried out your eclipse plugin and I have a few comments
20100817 22:57:51< timotei> wow. gabba yes:P
20100817 22:58:00< CIA-49> zookeeper * r45815 /branches/1.8/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/15_Civil_War.cfg: Ported r45814 to 1.8, but without the new string.
20100817 22:58:23< gabba> timotei: well, first it's very nice to see WML with highlighting, not as plain text :)
20100817 22:58:43< Gambit> Bob_The_Mighty: Hi from me though. :)
20100817 22:58:56< Bob_The_Mighty> :)
20100817 22:58:59< Bob_The_Mighty> hello
20100817 22:59:16< gabba> timotei: the downloading + initial module install went ok (as a normal eclipse module)
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20100817 22:59:36< esr> zookeeper: Thanks for fixing that mess.
20100817 23:00:13< gabba> timotei: however afterwards I wasn't too happy with the automated wizard that pops up in your face (unlike every eclipse module I ever tried)
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20100817 23:01:02< gabba> timotei: also, I initially pointed the paths to my 1.8 install by mistake, it imported all the campaigns and stuff (again, automatic thing I wasn't happy about)
20100817 23:01:39< timotei> gabba: yep, I think we should add for setup workspace some dialogs to ask the user
20100817 23:02:12< gabba> timotei: when I changed the paths to 1.9 I wasn't able to find a way to import campaigns/scenarios, even by deleting the config file I could find (the one with the path), the automatic thing wouldn't import anything anymore
20100817 23:02:47< gabba> timotei: so my suggestions are:
20100817 23:02:59< timotei> gabba: it won't create the projects if it already exists. the multiple installations support will be added soon
20100817 23:03:37< gabba> timotei: I deleted the projects though (at least from my workspace, maybe they left files somewhere unknown, but believe me, I searched)
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20100817 23:04:35< gabba> timotei: suggestion 1) the 2 prompts on install are ok, but make them optional
20100817 23:05:35< gabba> timotei: suggestion 2) To import one or all campaigns, make an import wizard! i.e. one you can pick from File->Import
20100817 23:07:51< timotei> the purpose of setup workspace, is for really new users, who don't know things about imports and stuff ;)
20100817 23:08:02< timotei> they will have all their .. projects in there :)
20100817 23:08:09< timotei> but we'll discuss with fendrin too
20100817 23:08:09< gabba> suggestion 3) I'm a bit ambivalent about the Wesnoth menu: it looks nice, but if you use your Eclipse install for a lot of other things than WML development, like me, it's gonna be clutter most of the time. So maybe make it activatable from your options menu if it's not too much trouble
20100817 23:08:29< timotei> gabba: the context menu?
20100817 23:08:33< timotei> yep, I know :))
20100817 23:08:38< timotei> mine is cluttered too
20100817 23:08:52< timotei> maybe I'll make one single menu Wesnoth, which branches the other
20100817 23:08:56< gabba> timotei: the context menu is already abused by a lot of extensions :(
20100817 23:09:17< timotei> Wesnoth menu
20100817 23:09:23< timotei> context or ... main menu?
20100817 23:09:41< timotei> oh, to be able to show the wesnoth menu in main-menu?
20100817 23:09:53< gabba> no I say keep the current menu (perfect for beginners), but have an option to hide it when you don't need it
20100817 23:11:01< timotei> aha
20100817 23:11:02< timotei> noted
20100817 23:11:30< gabba> ^for the automated workspace setup, I agree it's great for new users, but you can afford to have a prompt at the beginning: Automated Setup (beginning users) or Manual Setup (gabba ;) )
20100817 23:11:52< timotei> :P
20100817 23:11:54< timotei> ok
20100817 23:12:56< gabba> However if you make an import wizard it would be great to keep to capability to import everything in your wesnoth directory, if it's really what you want
20100817 23:13:10< gabba> And that's all for the suggestions. Great work overall :) !!!
20100817 23:13:31< timotei> thanks:)
20100817 23:13:37< timotei> I'll note them
20100817 23:13:58< timotei> I am confident it will replace soon the emacs mode :D
20100817 23:14:06< timotei> after the standalone application is ready
20100817 23:16:03< gabba> He he, there is an emacs mode for WML?
20100817 23:16:25< timotei> right
20100817 23:17:09< elias> timotei: how can i reset the eclipse plugin?
20100817 23:17:20< timotei> elias: reset? in which way?
20100817 23:17:25< elias> i.e. so it goes through the startup wizard again, asking me for paths and import things
20100817 23:17:37< timotei> hmm
20100817 23:17:39< elias> i had to stop it yesterday in the middle of importing 100 addons :P
20100817 23:17:44< timotei> :))
20100817 23:17:47< timotei> ops
20100817 23:17:48< timotei> :P
20100817 23:17:52< elias> i deleted ~/.eclipse and ~/workspace
20100817 23:17:56< timotei> well, go to eclipse working dir
20100817 23:17:56< elias> but it somehow still remembered everything
20100817 23:17:58< timotei> and delete
20100817 23:19:47< gabba> timotei: yeah an option to delete settings on uninstall wouldn't be a bad idea, if Eclipse makes it easy
20100817 23:20:10< timotei> ok
20100817 23:20:53< gabba> I have the same question as Elias: I already found out how to get the prompt for paths again (anyways it's accessible manually I think), but I couldn't for the life of me find which files to delete to get the import to run again.
20100817 23:21:40< elias> yes, it's not in ~/workspace (which i assume is the "eclipse working dir")
20100817 23:22:04< elias> since i had installed eclipse for the first time i just deleted it as a whole
20100817 23:22:12< esr> timotei: Yup, soimething's wtong with your MD5 hash implementation.  My collision report looks much different.
20100817 23:22:12< gabba> elias: there was some config file(s) you could delete under workspace/.metadata/.plugins/
20100817 23:22:31< gabba> elias: don't remember which exactly since I already did it :P
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20100817 23:22:59< timotei> esr: hmm, weird
20100817 23:23:19< Gambit> cra
20100817 23:23:32< timotei> ok I'm out
20100817 23:23:34< timotei> good night
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20100817 23:24:00< timotei> gabba, elias thanks for feedback. I'll todo them :P
20100817 23:24:18< gabba> timotei: night :)
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20100817 23:25:54< gabba> elias: did you reinstall the plugin after deleting the workspace?
20100817 23:26:07< elias> no
20100817 23:26:16< elias> i just ran the plugin.xml (i think) again
20100817 23:26:25< elias> and expected it to start over
20100817 23:27:37< gabba> you could try to go to Install Help->New Software in Eclipse, click on the What's already installed? link and uninstall the plugin from the new window that pops up. Then start over with the install.
20100817 23:28:02< gabba> err it was Help->Install New Software*
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20100817 23:42:02< billynux> I'm off. Gambit, thanks for spotting the bug, I'll take a look at it later on
20100817 23:42:16< Gambit> billynux: Okay
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20100817 23:48:13< Gambit> Okay I found another bug that seems a little strange to me and I'm not sure it is a bug so I'm going to ask here before I report
20100817 23:48:25< Gambit> Basically if you make a macro that is comma sperated list
20100817 23:48:36< Gambit> Gg,Ggf,Gd,Gs,Gll,Re,Rb
20100817 23:48:46< Gambit> And then include that macro as an argument in another comma seperated list
20100817 23:49:00< Gambit> {SOME_MACRO "Wwf,{FIRST_MACRO}"}
20100817 23:49:14< Gambit> The last element in the first macro's list is not included it *seems*
20100817 23:49:36< Gambit> And it doesn't matter if you make it {SOME_MACRO "{FIRST_MACRO},Wwf"}
20100817 23:49:39< Gambit> Does that sound impossible?
20100817 23:50:16< zookeeper> kinda
20100817 23:50:38< zookeeper> pastebin a minimal test case?
20100817 23:50:50< Gambit> Okay I'll keep trying different things to narrow it down more
20100817 23:51:05< Gambit> zookeeper: I'll have to make one, but okay.
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20100817 23:59:48< Gambit> Yeah that wasn't it at all.
20100817 23:59:58< Gambit> It seems that Rb is not filtering at all.
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