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20100819 00:00:14< CIA-49> jetryl * r45876 /trunk/data/core/ (4 files in 2 dirs): New leading animation for the human lieutenant.
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20100819 00:45:46< CIA-49> esr * r45877 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/ (15 files): Custom flags for UtBS.
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20100819 01:00:48< CIA-49> esr * r45878 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (16 files in 2 dirs): Custom flags for TSG and TROW, enemy sides only.
20100819 01:08:05< eleazar> esr: did you set WMLlint (or whichever tool updates maps) to convert the deprecated flowers to the new ones0
20100819 01:08:08< eleazar> ?
20100819 01:08:52< esr> eleazar: No. Can you spec the conversion?
20100819 01:09:10< eleazar> i think we spoke about it before-- if not: Ggf should become Gg^Emf
20100819 01:09:38< eleazar> that's all
20100819 01:11:27< eleazar> well, briefly the terrain Wt existed in trunk but then i switched it to Wwt for easier wildcarding
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20100819 01:34:19< esr> eleazar_: Map transformation coded, testing now.
20100819 01:34:33< eleazar_> thanks
20100819 01:37:07< esr> eleazar_: One hit in data/multiplayer/scenarios/2p_Elensefar_Courtyard.cfg
20100819 01:37:37< eleazar_> oh-- i thought i had converted all the mainline -- good thing you checked
20100819 01:39:59< esr> I always don that with new transformations.  Experience has taught me that this is wise.
20100819 01:40:12< esr> No other hits.  Will commit.
20100819 01:41:05< CIA-49> esr * r45879 /trunk/data/tools/wmllint: Ggf -> Gg^Emf transformation requested by Eleazar.
20100819 01:48:08< CIA-49> esr * r45880 /trunk/data/multiplayer/scenarios/2p_Elensefar_Courtyard.cfg: Map fixup that goes with my previous commit.
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20100819 02:12:39< CIA-49> esr * r45881 /trunk/data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Wire in Kitty's new portraits for AOI.
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20100819 04:28:27< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: aw crap, I forgot all about the release
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20100819 04:35:45< Gambit> Could hover-hex-yours.png be redrawn to use the flag_green pallete? That way it would be recolorable with ~RC().
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20100819 05:28:19-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: released 1.9.0, announcing "soon" | 134 bugs, 285 feature requests, 12 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20100819 08:04:08< CIA-49> billynux * r45882 /trunk/src/network_manager_ana.cpp: Fixes the crash (but not the bug itself) of bug #16747. The bug can now be described as _Shows no progress while attempting to upload add-on._
20100819 08:08:44< shadowmaster> I love my rebase-all script.
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20100819 08:17:22< shadowmaster> cache generation is too slow for me
20100819 08:17:46< shadowmaster> eleazar_: btw, nice work on the storyscreen buttons
20100819 08:18:07< shadowmaster> they look much better now
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20100819 08:19:23< thespaceinvader> we have awesome new sprites and animations for the Ghast in DiD which I'm going to commit soon
20100819 08:19:45< shadowmaster> btw, who'll handle kitty's portraits for AOI?
20100819 08:20:03< thespaceinvader> what do people think about the possibility of wiring this unit into core as an (optional?) upgrade for the necrophage?
20100819 08:23:41< zookeeper> shadowmaster, looks like esr already did
20100819 08:24:40< shadowmaster> okay, that means I'll have to check if he did it right.
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20100819 08:25:43< shadowmaster> he did it right, phew.
20100819 08:25:59< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, eh, i don't know. i guess it'd be fine.
20100819 08:27:00< thespaceinvader> one suggestion was to include it as a kind of easter egg - if you get a necrophage a certain number of feedings, it becomes a ghast
20100819 08:28:12< shadowmaster> how about feeding it a lot at midnight?
20100819 08:28:40< shadowmaster> *after
20100819 08:29:28< thespaceinvader> lol shadowmaster would we then need to make a cute fuzzy version to be the hero?
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20100819 08:35:37< shadowmaster> yup.
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20100819 09:28:03< Ivanovic> moin
20100819 09:28:21< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: what is the status of the OSX binary of 1.9.0?
20100819 09:29:12< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: my internet is being a piece of crap, but it's at least ready to upload and partially done
20100819 09:29:25< crimson_penguin> I was gonna leave it overnight, but it's just gonna keep stopping
20100819 09:29:26< Ivanovic> okay
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20100819 09:44:55< Upthorn> crab_: (for the log) I did leave create_directory_if_missing() on purpose
20100819 09:44:59< Crab_> ok
20100819 09:45:10< Upthorn> in case the user deletes the directory while the game is running
20100819 09:45:41< Crab_> yes, that might happen, during WML testing, someone might do that.
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20100819 10:42:41< CIA-49> ivanovic * r45883 /branches/1.8/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated Indonesian translation
20100819 10:42:51< CIA-49> ivanovic * r45884 /trunk/ (23 files in 22 dirs): updated Indonesian translation
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20100819 10:58:32-!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: released 1.9.0, announcing "soon" | 134 bugs, 285 feature requests, 12 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20100819 12:24:17< Ivanovic> okay, i went on a closing spree in the bug tracker
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20100819 12:33:34< Ivanovic> Upthorn: what is the status of this patch? https://gna.org/patch/?1612
20100819 12:33:47< Ivanovic> Upthorn: if it is completely done, please mark accordingly and close it
20100819 12:33:55< Ivanovic> (yeah, the release is done, so it is cleanup time!)
20100819 12:35:07 * Unnheulu sighs, another release he didn't contribute to
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20100819 12:40:39< Upthorn> Ivanovic: it was a sample patch I provided in order to get commit access. it was assigned to crab, and it never got included, but I never heard back that it wouldn't be, either
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20100819 12:41:49< Upthorn> To be honest, I thought that crab closed it months ago
20100819 12:42:16< icelus> what's the story on the licensing/appstore stuff?
20100819 12:42:17< Upthorn> if I knew that it was still open, I would have asked if I should close it myself
20100819 12:42:31< icelus> i just saw all my outstanding tickets closed
20100819 12:42:42< icelus> figured someone would be around who could give me a heads up
20100819 12:43:24< icelus> i read the summary that was distributed
20100819 12:43:37< icelus> but there didn't seem to be much to take from it except everyone respected every else etc
20100819 12:43:39< icelus> which is good but
20100819 12:43:44< icelus> not actually an answer
20100819 12:43:45< Ivanovic> Upthorn: real closing is only done after it is included in a release or declared "won't use it"
20100819 12:44:07< Ivanovic> icelus: the licensing stuff is "work in progress"
20100819 12:44:24< icelus> Ivanovic, ok, thanks
20100819 12:44:37< icelus> depending on the outcome i'd be happy to continue contributing now i have more time again
20100819 12:44:37< Upthorn> Ivanovic: well, I never heard either judgement
20100819 12:44:42< Ivanovic> and the bug closing spree is normal, since i release is out that should include the fixes
20100819 12:44:49< icelus> but i'd rather wait and see what happens i guess
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20100819 12:47:01< icelus> for the record even if the appstore stuff does break the gpl i won't ask for anything i wrote to be removed 
20100819 12:47:04< icelus> there isn't much anyway
20100819 12:47:22< icelus> but i don't know if i would do anything more
20100819 12:47:46< icelus> i've been sitting on the fence since i read the initial inquiry
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20100819 12:58:49< CIA-35> esr * r45885 /trunk/utils/change_textdomain: Address feature request in bug #16309: add support for adding textdomain tags to .lua files in change_textdomain.
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20100819 13:28:03< Unnheulu> eleazar_, found a (very very) small gfx bug
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20100819 15:30:41< timotei> hi
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20100819 16:08:34< timotei> esr: I'm gonna work on finally integrating wmlscope/wmllint error reporting with eclipse. is it ok to skip lines between %% ?
20100819 16:17:43< esr> timotei: No, it is *never* OK to skip such lines.  They would not be there if they didn't convey information.  Are you talking about the --collisions report?
20100819 16:18:25< timotei> esr: hmm, well, --collisions report those lines?
20100819 16:18:36< timotei> oh, right
20100819 16:18:50< timotei> yeah, about them I'm talking
20100819 16:20:04< esr> Dou you understand that report?  The filenames listed between each pair of %%ds are identity cliques that have the same MD5 hash.
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20100819 16:31:16< timotei> so, I still don't fully understand why is that a bad thing, to appear between each pair of %% ?
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20100819 16:36:03< timotei> fabi: around?
20100819 16:36:16< fabi> timotei: hi
20100819 16:36:20< timotei> hi fabi 
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20100819 16:36:32< fendrin> timotei: changed names
20100819 16:36:40< timotei> ok
20100819 16:37:05< fendrin> timotei: Have you talked with esr?
20100819 16:37:06< timotei> I'm gonna work this evening on couplign the errors from wmlscope/wmllint in the plugin
20100819 16:37:13< timotei> yep
20100819 16:37:19< timotei> I just wanted to ask
20100819 16:37:51< fendrin> timotei: I told him to give what wmllint would change when run without --dryrun in the output as well.
20100819 16:38:14< fendrin> timotei: I think it can be used to do the autocorrect feature of eclipse.
20100819 16:38:47< timotei> I though that running wmlscope once per project is enough. what do you think?
20100819 16:38:53< timotei> so basically, once per build
20100819 16:39:04< esr> timotei: identical MD5 hash means the files are duplicates of each other (almost certainly).  A mainline maintainer could use this report to reduce the bulk of the distribution.  I can't think of any good reason for the Eclipse program to ever invoke it.
20100819 16:39:30< timotei> esr: fair enough. 
20100819 16:39:48< timotei> so --unresolved and --unchecked arguments would be fine?
20100819 16:39:59< timotei> for a good error reporting strategy?
20100819 16:40:12< esr> Yes, I think so.
20100819 16:40:29< timotei> so in this arguments just gcc erorr reporting style, right?
20100819 16:40:37< esr> Correct.
20100819 16:41:06< timotei> also, based on what I saw in the scripts, you have 2 steps: making the xref, and using arguments specified on it
20100819 16:41:40< timotei> is that correct??
20100819 16:41:46< esr> Correct.
20100819 16:42:26< timotei> so, for increasing the speed, can't we make an xref serialization, save it on disk, and parse that instead of reparsing the directories?
20100819 16:42:40< timotei> currently that's how I'm using macro definitions. Saving the defines/macros to file
20100819 16:42:51< timotei> and that's a *lot* much faster to parse than the whole data/core again
20100819 16:42:57< esr> timotei: In theory.  The question is how you know when to update it.
20100819 16:43:19< timotei> well, you don't need to.
20100819 16:43:28< timotei> you would have an switch argument, whether to parse or not
20100819 16:43:30< timotei> the tree
20100819 16:43:51< timotei> but yeah, in the end it still needs update
20100819 16:43:52< timotei> hmm
20100819 16:44:07< fendrin> timotei: I think it is enough to run wmllint/wmlscope when the project is created/imported. And then only when manually triggered by the coder, as long as wmltools are running with the current speed.
20100819 16:44:36< timotei> fendrin: the manually trigger, should add the markers too, right?
20100819 16:44:43< fendrin> timotei: But you can think about running several of them during the initial building phase if the system has several cpu/cores.
20100819 16:44:50< fendrin> timotei: Yes of course.
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20100819 16:45:25< timotei> esr: I don't know yet, but doesn't any OS ... update the timestamp of the directory with the latest of the file?
20100819 16:45:31< timotei> so if we have: dir1/file1
20100819 16:45:40< timotei> if file1 is changed, the timestamp is propagated to the dir1?
20100819 16:46:01< fendrin> timotei, esr: The point is that we only need to update a single file and we can stay with the rest. So an option that says: Keep the parsed core + current campaign files but recheck this single file.
20100819 16:46:16< timotei> esr: on windows it does
20100819 16:46:27< esr> timotei: The answer is no.  The directory timestamp is changed only when one of the entries in the directory file itself is modified.
20100819 16:49:16< timotei> well... esr if you are ok with this, let's let the caller decide whether it has to make a new xref cache or not
20100819 16:49:18< timotei> is that ok?
20100819 16:49:22< esr> Yes.
20100819 16:49:32< timotei> so we would have an extra argument: --cache <file>
20100819 16:49:46< timotei> if the argument is not present, process normally
20100819 16:49:50< timotei> or something like this
20100819 16:50:40< esr> You're complicating things too much.  Better, a single switch that if present means "regenerate cache" (before using it).
20100819 16:50:41< timotei> or maybe, for a better flexibility, we could have: --cache-in <file> and --cache-out <file> . The latter specify where to dump the cache
20100819 16:50:46< timotei> oh
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20100819 16:51:34< esr> I can't think of any reason to keep muluiple cahes around.  Either it's up to date or it isn't.
20100819 16:51:44< timotei> esr: you're right.
20100819 16:53:12< timotei> I was thinking about the multiple caches, as I'm invoking the wmlscope on multiple projects.
20100819 16:53:17< timotei> where would you keep the cache?
20100819 16:55:04< timotei> gabba: you code isn't compiling anymore on MVSC: )
20100819 16:55:06< timotei> Upthorn: hi
20100819 16:55:13< timotei> Upthorn: did you try compiling the latest trunk?
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20100819 17:35:10< timotei> fendrin: btw, did you managed to complete the eval?
20100819 17:35:13< timotei> (just checking)
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20100819 17:36:21< timotei> esr: the information outputed by wmllint and wmlscope have error severity, right? no warnings
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20100819 17:39:30< timotei> Upthorn: hi
20100819 17:44:14< fendrin> timotei: I have committed it but not filled in very much text. Mostly answered the multiple choice questions only.
20100819 17:45:08< timotei> ok
20100819 17:46:52< timotei> fendrin: do mentors have the same deadline for eval completion?
20100819 17:47:01< fendrin> It's friday
20100819 17:47:07< timotei> ok
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20100819 17:56:40< timotei> esr: I'm getting errors that are different than GCC: # Unresolved references:
20100819 17:56:40< timotei> "userdata\data\add-ons\Gryphon_Tale\scenarios\01_Capture_the_Flag.cfg", line 24 -> DEFAULT_MUSIC_PLAYLIST
20100819 17:57:00< timotei> the line 24 ends in -> rather than with ':'
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20100819 18:01:21< timotei> esr: will you change it to use GCC style? or I adapt my 'parser'
20100819 18:02:38< Gambit> In what file can I find the different event types?
20100819 18:02:46< timotei> wiki?
20100819 18:02:47< Gambit> The code that handles name= for [event]
20100819 18:02:56< Gambit> timotei: In the source
20100819 18:03:00< timotei> oh
20100819 18:03:18< Gambit> it seems that game_events.cpp has everything except that :s
20100819 18:03:25< timotei> hmm
20100819 18:04:28< timotei> Gambit: use fgrep
20100819 18:04:30< Gambit> I was going to give https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?16489 my best effort, but I can't even find where to start.
20100819 18:04:34< CIA-35> zookeeper * r45886 /trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/scenarios/06_The_Siege_of_Elensefar.cfg: Made Siege of Elensefar slightly easier on normal difficulty by extending the lvl2 recruit limitations to it and decreasing the number of undead starting villages.
20100819 18:04:41< timotei> fgrep -rni "\"event\"" src
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20100819 20:07:41< zookeeper> esr, you got any idea of why every scenario in AOI has a turn limit of 24 (on all difficulties, too)?
20100819 20:08:04< zookeeper> sounds suspiciously like whoever originally set those wasn't giving it much thought...
20100819 20:08:25< esr> zookeeper: Sorry, I don't know.  I didn't write it.  And I agree.
20100819 20:09:09< CIA-35> thespaceinvader * r45888 /trunk/ (23 files in 4 dirs): Add and wire new merman Hunter ranged animation and defence. Update changelogs, credits.
20100819 20:09:19< esr> I wired in the new portraits.
20100819 20:10:17< zookeeper> you forgot the campaign image though
20100819 20:10:37< esr> Huh.  Didn't know there was one.
20100819 20:11:44< thespaceinvader> since more people are about now: does anyone have any thoughts about the possibility of adding the Ghast to core now that it has (awesome) new animations and base frame?  Possibly as a easter-egg type upgrade based on the number of times a necrophage has used Feeding
20100819 20:12:38< Unnheulu> Ooh, that would be cool
20100819 20:12:42< zookeeper> i don't really like the easter egg idea. any reason why it shouldn't just be a regular advancement?
20100819 20:13:09< Unnheulu> zookeeper, the idea that they need to do something *really* evil to advance?
20100819 20:14:45< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: none in particular, just a suggestion because it came up during the development
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20100819 20:15:33< thespaceinvader> esr: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=450751#p450751
20100819 20:15:57< thespaceinvader> i've not committed them yet, cos i want to resolve this question before i do to save needing moving them around
20100819 20:16:02< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: started uploading again (I forgot to earlier); it's 44% done, so I imagine it'll take around another 2.5 hours
20100819 20:16:53< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, well, first of all, if it gets committed anywhere at all, then it should go to core. it's lvl3 so there shouldn't really be any MP balance considerations.
20100819 20:17:03< esr> thespaceinvader: Nice.  By which I mean of course *nasty*.
20100819 20:17:30< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: yeah, it's currently only in DiD, but I'd be loath to leave it there since it's awesome
20100819 20:17:39< esr> I'm not opposed to it going to core.
20100819 20:17:41< zookeeper> i'd vote for a regular advancement of the necrophage (which would still retain feeding)
20100819 20:17:52< thespaceinvader> ok
20100819 20:17:56 * esr agrees with zookeeper
20100819 20:18:01< thespaceinvader> righto
20100819 20:18:12< esr> But you can make the XP threshold high.
20100819 20:18:20< esr> These should be rarte.
20100819 20:18:22< thespaceinvader> i'll leave it for the evening in case anyone else has any input, and add it to core as an advancement from the necrophage tomorrow
20100819 20:18:34< thespaceinvader> the current setting is 60xp to advance, in DiD
20100819 20:18:41< thespaceinvader> probably higher than that i should think
20100819 20:18:56< esr> thespaceinvader: I think between zoookeeper and me you're talking to both relevant people.
20100819 20:19:02< thespaceinvader> ok
20100819 20:19:10< zookeeper> yeah. i'd suggest looking at what the other lvl3 undeads require
20100819 20:19:30< esr> Then booost that by like 20XP.
20100819 20:19:49< thespaceinvader> yeah
20100819 20:19:57< zookeeper> bone shooter needs 80xp, revenant 85xp, wraith 100xp
20100819 20:20:00< thespaceinvader> the skeletons are 80 and 85, the ghosts are 100
20100819 20:20:02< thespaceinvader> so 120
20100819 20:20:10< esr> Sounds good.
20100819 20:20:12< zookeeper> sounds reasonable
20100819 20:20:34 * zookeeper takes a look at the current/old ghast stats
20100819 20:20:59< Rhonda> wesbot: seen noy
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20100819 20:21:05< Rhonda> *grmpf*
20100819 20:22:24< zookeeper> 10-3 melee seems a bit...weakish, perhaps
20100819 20:23:18< esr> I'm mildly against powering it up a lot.  The thing is horrifying enough as it is.
20100819 20:24:05< zookeeper> sure, not a lot
20100819 20:25:41< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, want me to commit some tweaks to the DiD ghast first?
20100819 20:25:49< zookeeper> just basic WML stuff
20100819 20:26:10< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: let me send you the test cfg i have which has all the animation stuff in it
20100819 20:27:21< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/pXByX2cS
20100819 20:27:34< zookeeper> ok, i'll copy the anims from that
20100819 20:27:49< thespaceinvader> k
20100819 20:28:02< thespaceinvader> there are some tweaks needed to the xp requirements etc
20100819 20:30:03< thespaceinvader> the weird thing is that in my testing, the advances to help link doesn;t appear for the necrophage, despite putting the relevant lines into the cfg, and the XP bar being blue indicating an advancement
20100819 20:30:42< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/2CE9LSQA
20100819 20:31:06< thespaceinvader> the XP should be 150 presumably?
20100819 20:31:25< zookeeper> it isn't?
20100819 20:32:01< thespaceinvader> it's 50 in that pastebin sample which is direct from 1.8.4 DiD
20100819 20:32:02< zookeeper> anyway, i think that's all that it needs...of course you need to tweak the necrophage's advancement and xp
20100819 20:32:08< thespaceinvader> yep
20100819 20:32:20< thespaceinvader> and then remove the outdated unit from DiD
20100819 20:32:38< zookeeper> well i just pasted you my tweaked version, so i was assuming you were looking at that...
20100819 20:32:48< thespaceinvader> yeah, i was
20100819 20:33:34< zookeeper> ok. yes, the AMLA XP is effectively always 150, so i used that
20100819 20:33:40< thespaceinvader> right
20100819 20:34:07< zookeeper> necrophage's advancement xp should be 120 (unless someone with balancing authority thinks otherwise)
20100819 20:34:38< zookeeper> p.s. don't forget to change the textdomain when moving it to core
20100819 20:35:10< thespaceinvader> nope =)
20100819 20:36:18< zookeeper> probably should be added as an age of heroes leader too
20100819 20:36:56< zookeeper> anyways, i'll go afk for a while, i'll check it out if you've committed it when i get back...
20100819 20:39:45< esr> thespaceinvader: For future reference, zookeeper and I are the only currently active general maintainers for the mainline campaigns.  We are the people to ask about core moves.  Unless they have MOP implications, in which case the MP balancing people need to be in on the discussion.
20100819 20:39:49< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: i'm committing now, but I'm not sure how to add it to the AoH leaders list
20100819 20:39:54< thespaceinvader> ok esr
20100819 20:40:02< esr> s/MOP/MP/
20100819 20:40:36< esr> Oh, BTW, do you know about wmlmove?
20100819 20:41:11< esr> It's a script I wrote for doing such moves.  Be interesting to know if anyone but me can use it. :-)
20100819 20:43:05< thespaceinvader> esr: no, i don't
20100819 20:43:37< esr> data/tools/wmlmove.  Read the header comment.
20100819 20:43:41< thespaceinvader> i don't do any form of programming, running scripts, coding beyond WML, HTML, CSS and precious little of that...
20100819 20:43:55< thespaceinvader> i am clueless when it comes to these thigns
20100819 20:44:17< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader, cd <wesnoth folder>
20100819 20:44:30< Unnheulu> python data/tools/wmlmove <whatever arguments it needs>
20100819 20:44:41< esr> Oh, I don't think you're ready for wmlmove then. :-)
20100819 20:44:50< thespaceinvader> Unnheulu: i also don;t know how to run command line interfeace, though I'm sure i could figure it out
20100819 20:44:59< thespaceinvader> nor do I have python installed on my computer TTBOMK
20100819 20:45:01< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader, you on linux or windows?
20100819 20:45:05< thespaceinvader> win
20100819 20:45:15< Unnheulu> Nvm then
20100819 20:45:16< esr> Unnheulu: It generateds Unix shell commands.  He's probably stuck on Windows.
20100819 20:45:23< thespaceinvader> yep
20100819 20:45:46< thespaceinvader> probably moving to mac next upgrade, but that's some time in the future, this machine's still chugging perfectly well
20100819 20:45:47< Unnheulu> esr, humm, so its a python file that creates a shell file?
20100819 20:46:18< esr> Unnheulu: Yes, the idea is you can eyeball and edit the shell stuff if you need to.
20100819 20:46:21< Unnheulu> Meh, I'll read the code
20100819 20:46:26< Unnheulu> Ok :)
20100819 20:46:27< thespaceinvader> ok, that's committed.  I think i've managed not to stuff anything up...
20100819 20:46:28< CIA-35> thespaceinvader * r45889 /trunk/ (18 files in 5 dirs): Add Ghast unit from DiD to core, advancing from Necrophage. Add new base frame and animations for it. Remove old cfg and images from DiD. Update changelogs.
20100819 20:46:45< esr> thespaceinvader: I'll run a sanity check.
20100819 20:46:54< thespaceinvader> thanks esr, i appreciate it
20100819 20:47:10< Unnheulu> esr, you mixed tabs and spaces? Pff
20100819 20:47:22< esr> Did I?  Sorry.
20100819 20:47:25< thespaceinvader> i did check it all before i committed, of course (and caught a minor issue with my having left out the portraits) but i am never certain
20100819 20:47:40< Unnheulu> It was..uuh..1 count in the bash section
20100819 20:49:29< esr> thespaceinvader: No unresolved references, wmlscope is happy.  wmllint is running now.
20100819 20:50:01< thespaceinvader> thanks
20100819 20:51:30< thespaceinvader> out of interest zookeeper, esr, what do you think about the discussions regarding the Ancient Liches? http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=31243&start=0 http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31244
20100819 20:54:42< esr> thespaceinvader: I agree with Simons Mith's comment at http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=31243&start=0#p450661 ;  lose the "Ancient" and bump 'em to L4.  Demilich is OK to take up the name slot left open.
20100819 20:55:10< thespaceinvader> keeping a level 5 version as well?
20100819 20:55:27< thespaceinvader> I struggle with demilich as a name as i said in the thread
20100819 20:56:06< thespaceinvader> o_O wait, it is level 4 already
20100819 20:57:11< Unnheulu> esr, in data/tools/addon_manager/ wouldn't it have been easier to have used a template for the html? :P
20100819 20:57:28< esr> Demilich should be lower level than lich, I agree.
20100819 20:57:31< Unnheulu> Would've massively shortened the file/made it easier to read
20100819 20:57:54< esr> Unnheulu: I agree, but I didn't write that part.
20100819 20:58:08< Unnheulu> Ah, thought you wrote all the tools, my bad
20100819 20:59:16< esr> Unnheulu: Most of the Python is indeed mine, but there are some exceptions.  addon_manager is ythe larger one I think.
20100819 20:59:28< esr> s/ythe larger/the largest/
20100819 20:59:29< elias> what is a template? :P
20100819 20:59:42< elias> (and yes, i wrote that i think)
20100819 20:59:48< Unnheulu> elias, it contains all the html that won't change
20100819 20:59:54< esr> thespaceinvader: All tests pass.
20100819 21:00:00< elias> how's that better than """ """ strings
20100819 21:00:06< Unnheulu> It's much cleaner
20100819 21:00:07< thespaceinvader> esr, thanks
20100819 21:00:16< elias> Unnheulu: so you say PHP code isn't clean?
20100819 21:00:32< esr> elias: Separates data from program logic, almost always a good idea.
20100819 21:00:34< Unnheulu> I say its easier to see what's going on if its split
20100819 21:00:58< esr> PHP is an ugly hack.  Powerful ugly hack, but still.
20100819 21:01:09< Unnheulu> Plus if you ever want to change the design of the page created, its  easier to do so in a template
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20100819 21:01:12< Unnheulu> Less to miss out
20100819 21:01:23 * esr agrees qith Unnheulu
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20100819 21:02:58< elias> yeah, i agree too, but still not sure how it would work
20100819 21:03:32< Unnheulu> I'll pastebin the html export in my personal project
20100819 21:03:39< elias> it's basically... if (type == "scenario") write_html(...) elif (type == ...) ...
20100819 21:03:42< Unnheulu> *pastebin the relevant parts
20100819 21:03:59< elias> it will be messy no matter how to do it, right now it's at least all in a single file "html.py"
20100819 21:04:28< elias> the html is created dynamically, only a few static parts, basically
20100819 21:04:29< Unnheulu> You would basically put a $ whereever you have html that could change
20100819 21:04:45< elias> yes, but about all of it is created programmatically
20100819 21:04:48< Unnheulu> And then replace those out
20100819 21:08:51< Unnheulu> elias, also, in some places why is it multiline, but in others only single line?
20100819 21:09:07< timotei> guys, till 3rd of September I won't be (so) active. That means I'll be online each day starting only 17-19 PM
20100819 21:10:01< elias> Unnheulu: where it made more sense
20100819 21:10:07< elias> e.g. w("<td><b>%s</b><br/>" % name)
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20100819 21:17:38< Unnheulu> Hey ancestral
20100819 21:17:59< timotei> esr: why does it tell me wmllint: wmllint: converting userdata\data\add-ons\Gryphon_Tale\scenarios\10a_Travel_games.cfg even if --dryrun is on?
20100819 21:18:38< esr> timotei: So you'll know what it would do if --dryrun were off.
20100819 21:18:49< timotei> esr: fair enough
20100819 21:18:50< timotei> thanks
20100819 21:24:53< Unnheulu> elias, mind if I try converting it to using a template?
20100819 21:25:25< elias> Unnheulu: i don't... but better ask Soliton first if he prefers that
20100819 21:25:33< elias> he's the one editing the text in it
20100819 21:25:44< Unnheulu> Ok, sure
20100819 21:26:23< Unnheulu> Soliton, /\
20100819 21:26:48< timotei>  ^ is nicer than /\
20100819 21:26:51< timotei> :P
20100819 21:27:10< timotei> you just wasted 1 byte
20100819 21:27:14< Unnheulu> I overuse the ^^ smiley, so it may look like a failed attempt of one of those :P
20100819 21:27:20< billynux> Gambit, around?
20100819 21:27:22< timotei> no it doesn't
20100819 21:28:12< billynux> Gambit, I may have fixed bug #16474
20100819 21:28:26< Gambit> billynux: Okay I'll update in a minute
20100819 21:28:34< billynux> (I didn't commit yet_
20100819 21:28:34< billynux> )
20100819 21:28:47< billynux> Gambit, however it just said my "add-on was accepted", but it was yours :D
20100819 21:29:01< Gambit> Oh okay.
20100819 21:29:10< Gambit> Cool. :)
20100819 21:29:11< Unnheulu> elias, tbh, it would either make no difference or make it easier depending on what text you wanted to edit
20100819 21:30:14< elias> well, certain changes might require editing of two files instead of one :P
20100819 21:30:22< CIA-35> billynux * r45890 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixes bug #16474 about uploading an add-on, still needs testing.
20100819 21:30:49< Unnheulu> elias, not really, unless your changing from (for instance), us to uk english
20100819 21:30:59< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, eh, i kinda intended my tweaked cfg for you to use
20100819 21:31:14< thespaceinvader> i did
20100819 21:31:28< thespaceinvader> at least, i copy-oasted what was in the link you sent
20100819 21:31:33< billynux> Gambit, great, your addon shows in the add-on list :)
20100819 21:31:40< billynux> and you as the author
20100819 21:31:43< thespaceinvader> are you sure you sent the right copy?
20100819 21:32:09< Gambit> billynux: I'll need the passphrase you used :)
20100819 21:32:12< billynux> Gambit,  can you delete it or modify it?
20100819 21:32:17< loonycyborg> billynux: Be sure to test with boost 1.44 . ana didn't compile for me with it with no modifications.
20100819 21:32:35< loonycyborg> And thouse modifications break with previous boost versions.
20100819 21:32:43< billynux> Gambit, hm... do you want me to delete it and just leave you to itt?
20100819 21:32:45< loonycyborg> I can pastebin my changes if you want.
20100819 21:32:50< Gambit> billynux: Okay
20100819 21:32:52< billynux> loonycyborg, please do so
20100819 21:33:08< Gambit> billynux: You did remember to add a passphrase though right?
20100819 21:33:18< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, maybe you clicked on your own link? :P i had removed all sorts of redundancies from mine which you have still committed
20100819 21:33:18< billynux> Gambit, done, update, recompile and try it out 
20100819 21:33:21< Gambit> Otherwise someone is going to have to dig around the add-on server :\
20100819 21:33:24< zookeeper> hide_help=true, [resistance] etc
20100819 21:33:25< Gambit> okay cool
20100819 21:33:30< billynux> Gambit, I added my own, yes, I just deleted it though
20100819 21:33:44< thespaceinvader> hmm, i may have screwed up somehow zookeeper
20100819 21:33:51< thespaceinvader> can you send the link again and i'll fix
20100819 21:33:56< Gambit> I'll let you know in $time_to_compile minutes. :)
20100819 21:34:10< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, nah, i can just fix it myself, just a moment...
20100819 21:34:17< thespaceinvader> ok thanks
20100819 21:34:26< loonycyborg> billynux: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/MYd3keJH
20100819 21:34:29< billynux> loonycyborg, boost should be backwards compatible :(
20100819 21:34:30< thespaceinvader> if it needs adding to AoH leaders that would be good too
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20100819 21:35:31< zookeeper> yeah, i'll do that
20100819 21:35:38< billynux> thanks loonycyborg, I'll apply those
20100819 21:35:41< CIA-35> zookeeper * r45891 /trunk/data/core/units/undead/Corpse_Ghast.cfg: Cleaned up the ghast .cfg a bit.
20100819 21:35:44< loonycyborg> billynux: It definitely isn't. It doesn't have a stable branch so if they tried they would never be able to change library interface.
20100819 21:35:59< billynux> :(
20100819 21:36:07< loonycyborg> billynux: Don't commit. They break older boost versions.
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20100819 21:37:24< billynux> loonycyborg, darn @!$#!@#... so... precompiler conditionals?
20100819 21:37:25< CIA-35> zookeeper * r45892 /trunk/data/multiplayer/factions/undead-aoh.cfg: Added Ghast to the AoH undead leaders, but not the random leaders.
20100819 21:37:50< loonycyborg> I can use conditional compilation to support both newer and older versions, but I want you first to look in case there's a 'righter' fix.
20100819 21:38:39< thespaceinvader> thanks zookeeper 
20100819 21:39:50< billynux> loonycyborg, the boost::system::system_category for boost::system::system_category() is the only change that might break, and I originally changed it to ..gory due to compilation issues with 1.35
20100819 21:39:59< billynux> (the minimum requirement from the game)
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20100819 21:40:34 * billynux throws a lit tar-covered rock at the people@boost 
20100819 21:40:37< loonycyborg> http://www.boost.org/users/news/version_1_44_0 <- there were many changes to asio. I'm not surprised that something broke.
20100819 21:40:55< loonycyborg> billynux: You can do this on #boost :P
20100819 21:41:05< billynux> loonycyborg, but in this case it's in the system (i.e. error_code) sublib
20100819 21:41:23< loonycyborg> Some library developers actuall frequent it, not asio's though..
20100819 21:41:56< loonycyborg> "Change system_category and generic_category to functions, to conform to the C++0x FCD. This change may cause compile errors some user code; the fix is add "()" to references to system_category and generic_category, so that they become function calls. "
20100819 21:42:10< loonycyborg> There were changes to boost.system too :P
20100819 21:43:25< noy> Rhonda: around?
20100819 21:43:51< billynux> loonycyborg, exactly
20100819 21:44:12< billynux> good that they are conforming to C++0x, too bad they didn't before
20100819 21:44:26< Gambit> billynux: Well it worked here. :)
20100819 21:44:38< Gambit> From the looks of this conversation though, you'll be undoing it?
20100819 21:44:42< Gambit> :(
20100819 21:44:58< Rhonda> noy: Yes!!!
20100819 21:45:05 * Gambit just won't update for a while >:]
20100819 21:45:05< billynux> Gambit, no, not at all
20100819 21:45:23< Gambit> billynux: Oh good. So the error-ish thing is unrelated?
20100819 21:45:28< noy> I need the password for the flattr stuff
20100819 21:45:31< billynux> Gambit, yes
20100819 21:45:44< billynux> Gambit, those changes stay, I'm looking at an error elsewhere that causes compilation issues with newer versions of boost
20100819 21:46:19 * Gambit likes this plan.
20100819 21:46:44< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, FYI, the ghast seems to be working just fine for me.
20100819 21:46:52< Gambit> billynux: Thanks then. See you around.
20100819 21:46:57< CIA-35> billynux * r45893 /trunk/src/ana/api/ (binary_streams.hpp stats.hpp): Applied a couple of changes suggested by loonycyborg, just an #include and a const correctness issue, minor changes.
20100819 21:47:03< thespaceinvader> cool, thanks zookeeper 
20100819 21:47:10< zookeeper> but i did notice that the augur line's circular magic effect is vertically flipped when attacking from n,nw,ne...
20100819 21:47:12 * zookeeper is afk
20100819 21:47:13< billynux> Gambit, no problem, see you are around, and thanks for spotting the bug
20100819 21:50:55< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: the latter issue about saurians is probably one to ping jet about
20100819 21:51:30< Gambit> Hmm Kd terrain has no height adjust.
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20100819 21:51:46< Gambit> One WML value is not worth a bug report is it?
20100819 21:52:48< Unnheulu> Just worth bunching bouncman over :)
20100819 21:56:48< billynux> loonycyborg, any idea what's the precompiler directive to check for boost's version? (just lazy here)
20100819 21:56:56< billynux> anybody ^
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20100819 21:57:10< billynux> #if BOOST_MINOR_VERSION > 44 ?
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20100819 22:09:26< timotei> esr: hmm, is there any reason why outputing status like "unresolved references:" in a comment and not in the error?
20100819 22:10:48< esr> timotei: For the convenience of grep.  
20100819 22:13:26< timotei> esr: also, wmllint doesn't need any extra data/core argument like wmlscope, right?
20100819 22:13:48< billynux> loonycyborg, next commit should compile for you, not the most elegant solution though
20100819 22:13:48< CIA-35> billynux * r45894 /trunk/src/ana/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Fixes a compilation issue of ANA with Boost 1.44 and above due to changes in the system library by introducing a generic error, see http://www.boost.org/users/news/version_1_44_0.
20100819 22:14:20< esr> timotei: I don't remember, I never invoke wmllint by hand.  Look athe data/tools/Makefile. 
20100819 22:14:51< timotei> oh, right. the makefile. I forgot about it:(
20100819 22:18:24< loonycyborg> billynux: It indeed compiles with 1.44
20100819 22:18:33< billynux> good
20100819 22:19:02< billynux> back to learning iPhone development then... ugh
20100819 22:20:04< billynux> the only different between M$ and APPL is that the latter makes nice looking products
20100819 22:20:08< timotei> billynux: :P
20100819 22:20:10< billynux> s/different/difference
20100819 22:20:50< timotei> I'd never use a mac for anything other than the ... macbook hardware:P
20100819 22:22:05< timotei> esr: so, no plans to add also the commented status inside the erorr? :P
20100819 22:22:31< esr> timotei: I don't understand that request.
20100819 22:23:58< timotei> esr: well, I don't know how much types of 'errors' we have in wmlscope. So it would have been nice to have the real error written in the same line
20100819 22:23:59< timotei> so:
20100819 22:24:26< timotei> instead of: #Unresolved references: \n "userdata\data\add-ons\Gryphon_Tale\scenarios\01_Capture_the_Flag.cfg", line 29 -> AFTERNOON
20100819 22:24:28< timotei> to have:
20100819 22:24:39< timotei> "userdata\data\add-ons\Gryphon_Tale\scenarios\01_Capture_the_Flag.cfg", line 29: Unresolved reference -> AFTERNOON
20100819 22:24:43< timotei> or something like that
20100819 22:25:09< esr> That would be reasonable.  Do yoyu think you can do it, or do you need me to?
20100819 22:25:15< timotei> hmm
20100819 22:25:26< timotei> I'll check it myself. If I cannot do it I'll tel you.
20100819 22:25:32< esr> OK.
20100819 22:27:58< timotei> ok, I did it.
20100819 22:31:41< billynux> I'm off, see ya'
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20100819 22:36:52< timotei> esr, fendrin: hehe, wmllint/wmlscope works so nice in eclipse :D
20100819 22:38:30< timotei> esr, fendrin: http://imagebin.org/110439
20100819 22:38:51< timotei> the red X is from wmlscope, and the little notebook is from wmllint:)
20100819 22:39:17< esr> That's very cool.
20100819 22:39:40< timotei> but stiill, wmllint doesn't recognize that units. I think I need data/core thoug
20100819 22:40:19< esr> timotei: You certainly do.
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20100819 22:44:03< timotei> wow
20100819 22:44:12< timotei> esr: I think you're right. something is wrong with my system
20100819 22:44:21< timotei> MD5 must be really broke
20100819 22:44:31< timotei> git complains about checksum at every commit :(
20100819 22:45:24< CIA-35> timotei * r45895 /trunk/data/tools/wmlscope: 
20100819 22:45:24< CIA-35> add the 'Unresolved reference' in each reported line
20100819 22:45:24< CIA-35> instead of adding one comment
20100819 22:45:44< timotei> great. I'm stuck again
20100819 22:45:49< timotei> ok. windows reinstall tomorrow:-W
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20100819 22:47:28< timotei> esr: do you have any idea on how I can inspect the checksum issue?
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20100819 23:35:28< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: it's up now
20100819 23:35:39< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: okay, will write the announcement sometime tomorrow
20100819 23:35:42< Ivanovic> about to head off to bed
20100819 23:35:47< crimson_penguin> k, goodnight
20100819 23:37:11< crimson_penguin> oh god damnit! somehow I uploaded it wrong again; this won't delay it significantly though, I'll fix it
20100819 23:37:53< crimson_penguin> oh, missed a wesnoth/
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20100819 23:45:09< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: do you want to have the file "wesnoth-1.9.0" moved to wesnoth/wesnoth-1.9.0/Wesnoth-1.9.0.dmg ?
20100819 23:45:19< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: yeah
20100819 23:45:25< Ivanovic> will try to do so
20100819 23:45:51< crimson_penguin> I could download it on my server and re-upload it if necessary
20100819 23:46:35< Ivanovic> done
20100819 23:46:42< Ivanovic> yeah, this foo can be done via the file manager
20100819 23:46:57< Ivanovic> is this the md5sum? 147121ec8fda882ab7b516f09b7fb3d5
20100819 23:47:07< Ivanovic> (as in "is the file really correct and completely uploaded?)
20100819 23:47:59< crimson_penguin> yup, that's it
20100819 23:50:40< fangism1> will wesnoth 1.9.x still be buildable with autotools? (1.8.4 worked great, FWIW)
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20100819 23:55:24< loonycyborg> fangism: Yes.
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20100819 23:55:51< boucman> hey all
20100819 23:55:56< boucman> Ivanovic: around ?
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20100819 23:56:46< Ivanovic> boucman: on my way to bed
20100819 23:56:59< fangism> loonycyborg: that's great, i was worried when I saw the deprecation warning in configure.ac, i tested a Mac OS X fink build: http://fink.cvs.sf.net/viewvc/fink/experimental/fangism/finkinfo/wesnoth.info?view=log
20100819 23:57:07< boucman> quick question : when you compile for gp2x, do you use LOW_MEM ?
20100819 23:57:30< Ivanovic> when i compile for the pandora: no
20100819 23:57:36< boucman> darn
20100819 23:57:39< Ivanovic> it is a completely normal build using cmake and a crosscompile
20100819 23:58:15< Ivanovic> for the 1.9.0 build i used this commandline for invoking cmake:
20100819 23:58:17< Ivanovic> CFLAGS="-O3 -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -ftree-vectorize -mfloat-abi=softfp -ffast-math -fsingle-precision-constant" CXXFLAGS="-O3 -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -ftree-vectorize -mfloat-abi=softfp -ffast-math -fsingle-precision-constant" cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=release -DENABLE_STRICT_COMPILATION=off -DCMAKE_TOOLCHAIN_FILE=../PandoraToolchain.cmake -DPKG_CONFIG_EXECUTABLE=/home/nils/pandora-dev/arm-2009q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-pkg-
20100819 23:58:18< Ivanovic> config -DSDL_CONFIG=/home/nils/pandora-dev/arm-2009q3/usr/bin/sdl-config -DPREFERENCES_DIR=wesnoth-1.9_userdata ../wesnoth-1.9.x
20100819 23:58:22< boucman> I was thinking of disabling part of the terrains, and in particular random variations for LOW_MEM, but since you don't use that, it wouldn't solve your problem...
20100819 23:58:29< boucman> I might do it anyway, though
20100819 23:58:45< Ivanovic> somehow i fear the main reason is related to the writeback of the cache onto the disc
20100819 23:59:08< Ivanovic> that is: there seems to be a sudden jump in memory usage on deskop systems, too
20100819 23:59:24< Ivanovic> regarding the --log-info=all logs that is right before the message about writing cache appears
20100819 23:59:32< Ivanovic> after this memory usage is down again
20100819 23:59:43< Ivanovic> as if saving there was done using a copy of the wml or something like this
20100819 23:59:57< Ivanovic> (maybe required for compression since the cache files are gzipped?)
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