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20100824 09:34:07< Ivanovic> moin
20100824 09:55:52< zookeeper> there should be a big library of generic quotes of undead boasting, "You will be felled by my hand, useless fleshbags!" and the like. i hate to spend time thinking of new ones.
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20100824 09:58:14< Ivanovic> hmm, some random taunting by the undead leader would be interesting
20100824 10:07:08< joo> Heh.
20100824 10:07:33< Soliton> zookeeper: sounds like a job for the writers forum.
20100824 10:13:09< zookeeper> true
20100824 10:15:34< CIA-35> ivanovic * r45984 /trunk/utils/pofix.py: 
20100824 10:15:34< CIA-35> apply patch #1879 by Simon Smith
20100824 10:15:34< CIA-35> running pofix.py on all po files is to follow...
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20100824 11:44:17< zookeeper> phew. i think i finally got a certain overly convoluted un-tomatoizing enemy ambush spawn event done. i must have spent two hours on it already...
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20100824 11:57:34< CIA-35> zookeeper * r45985 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/scenarios/19_The_Vanguard.cfg: 
20100824 11:57:34< CIA-35> Changed the undead spawns so that there are now three spawn groups, each one of
20100824 11:57:34< CIA-35> them spawns on the next new turn after the corresponding enemy leader has first
20100824 11:57:34< CIA-35> been attacked and in a location from which they can't reach any player unit in
20100824 11:57:34< CIA-35> one turn but which is still as close as possible to the enemy leader. This
20100824 11:57:35< CIA-35> should make them much less of a tomato surprise.
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20100824 12:26:51< Ivanovic> wow, pofix already running for 2 hours and not done yet...
20100824 12:27:03< Ivanovic> i really hope that esr manages to implement the FR i wrote soon
20100824 12:27:26< Ivanovic> or are any other python people around who want to have a look at making pofix.po multithreaded?
20100824 12:27:35< Ivanovic> cf https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?16526
20100824 12:29:09< Soliton> python and threads don't mix well afaik.
20100824 12:31:51< Ivanovic> there should not be much synchronization be required or anything, "just" a case of spawning more instances
20100824 12:38:55< CIA-35> ivanovic * r45986 /branches/1.8/po/wesnoth-low/fi.po: apply some changes to apostrophes to allow easier porting to trunk
20100824 12:42:53< CIA-35> ivanovic * r45987 /trunk/po/ (743 files in 15 dirs): apply utils/pofix.py, followup of patch #1877 and patch #1879
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20100824 13:23:18< CIA-35> ivanovic * r45988 /trunk/data/core/units/undead/Corpse_Ghast.cfg: fixed broken byte sequence
20100824 13:36:14 * Ivanovic is sure that the apostroph replacement mess was the worst idea *EVER*!
20100824 13:39:34< Smar> uh, for translation, or what?
20100824 13:43:51< Ivanovic> in general
20100824 13:44:02< Ivanovic> it is wholly uniniform at the moment
20100824 13:44:18< Ivanovic> even campaigns are no longer uniform in regards to which apostroph is used where
20100824 13:45:49 * zookeeper wonders how was it possible to mess that up
20100824 13:47:00< Smar> uh, as long as you won’t touch to actual translations... or I’ll need to edit all them back, in worst case —.— 
20100824 13:48:15< Ivanovic> Smar: pofix works on the complete files
20100824 13:48:36< Ivanovic> but that is in general not the real problem, even if the translateable strings are changed automatically to use the new apostroph
20100824 13:48:55< Ivanovic> the problem is that eg utbs is a weird mixture of the old and the new apostrophs
20100824 13:48:57< Smar> well, as long as it doesn’t touch actual translations
20100824 13:51:32< Ivanovic> Smar: it can touch the translations, yes, but should not hurt where it does
20100824 13:51:39< Ivanovic> when eg changing an apostroph in a name
20100824 13:51:53< Ivanovic> it will do so in the english version and in the translation, if both are identical, 1:1
20100824 13:52:36< Smar> Ivanovic: well, I’d convert apostrophes in names to our native one too
20100824 13:52:53< Smar> well, in this case it should be same(’) than it is in english
20100824 13:52:56< Smar> IIRC.
20100824 13:52:56< Ivanovic> the matter is: don't do so in branches/1.8
20100824 13:53:08< Ivanovic> where there is nothing converted (in theory)
20100824 13:53:10< Ivanovic> then you should be fine
20100824 13:53:31< Smar> sure, I’m pretty much waiting 1.9 to mature currently
20100824 13:54:00< Smar> will next version be 2.0 or 1.10, by the way? :)
20100824 13:55:16< Ivanovic> 1.10
20100824 13:56:28< CIA-35> zookeeper * r45989 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/scenarios/20_Return_of_the_Fleet.cfg: 
20100824 13:56:28< CIA-35> Increased the moveto trigger radius of the cuttlefish and saurian spawns and
20100824 13:56:28< CIA-35> moved the chocobone spawns a bit further away. Also changed Jevyan's "curse of
20100824 13:56:28< CIA-35> darkness" to fog instead of shroud, since the player has already seen the map.
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20100824 14:06:48< CIA-35> ivanovic * r45990 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (4 files in 2 dirs): some changes that otherwise would lead to duplicated messages by pofix.py...
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20100824 15:16:57< Mat[1]> I have a question for anybody who's got an extra thirty second and a lobe they're not using.
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20100824 15:19:13< Shadowmaster> loonycyborg: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=452064#p452064 and http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=452082#p452082 are in your department. Worth checking I guess
20100824 15:31:54< loonycyborg> There was a compile warning suggesting that asio can be set to support either windows xp or some other version. Probably that's the culprit.
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20100824 16:44:19< CIA-35> loonycyborg * r45991 /trunk/SConstruct: 
20100824 16:44:19< CIA-35> When compiling for windows set appropriate define to target windows 2000.
20100824 16:44:19< CIA-35> This fixes a compile warning from asio.
20100824 16:50:21< CIA-35> zookeeper * r45992 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/scenarios/22_Rise_of_Wesnoth.cfg: 
20100824 16:50:21< CIA-35> Made each of the bridge-destroying cuttle fish appear on new turn start when the
20100824 16:50:21< CIA-35> player has a unit nearby but not on or within two hexes of the corresponding
20100824 16:50:21< CIA-35> bridge. This should make their appearance much less of a tomato surprise.
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20100824 17:29:32< stikonas> I’ve found a suspicious sentence, maybe somebody can confirm or deny it: "They are powerful pathfinders in a melee". I’ve never seen melee in such context.
20100824 17:30:40< Soliton> s/a melee/combat/ i guess
20100824 17:30:49< Soliton> what unit is it?
20100824 17:30:54< stikonas> Dwarvish Pathfinder
20100824 17:31:04< stikonas> pathfinder in combat is still strange
20100824 17:31:14< Soliton> yeah, sounds a bit odd.
20100824 17:31:31< stikonas> you can be pathfinder if you are exploring something, but not in a fight
20100824 17:36:41< Shadowmaster> loonycyborg: you know, if more people complain about Win2k support youcanjust upload a 1.9.0a
20100824 17:37:00 * Shadowmaster smashes space bar
20100824 17:37:37< loonycyborg> Shadowmaster: I'm not even sure that it'll work.
20100824 17:38:01< Shadowmaster> test upload?
20100824 17:38:23< loonycyborg> I don't have windows 2000 to test it on.
20100824 17:39:40< Shadowmaster> but other people do?
20100824 17:40:04< Shadowmaster> I guess just providing a zip with the replacement DLLs and Wesnoth binaires would allow them to try it
20100824 17:40:09< Shadowmaster> *binaries
20100824 17:40:27< Shadowmaster> and also to make sure it doesn't cause problems with Windows XP to 7.
20100824 17:40:33< loonycyborg> Trunk binary is already updated.
20100824 17:40:49< Shadowmaster> Excuses, excuses...
20100824 17:40:58< Shadowmaster> most people don't know of the trunk snapshots' existence
20100824 17:41:10< Shadowmaster> unless they are either trunk testers, or developers
20100824 17:41:28< Shadowmaster> I also have Windows 2000
20100824 17:41:54< Shadowmaster> so I could attach the git tree with VirtualBox as the datadir source, and test the binaries and DLLs
20100824 17:42:23< loonycyborg> There's no changes in dlls.
20100824 17:43:00< Shadowmaster> so I just have to try the binary from the hidden dir?
20100824 17:43:08< Shadowmaster> (and gather the DLLs)
20100824 17:44:14< loonycyborg> Yes.
20100824 17:44:42< loonycyborg> I only added -D_WIN32_WINNT=0x0500 . Hopefully either asio or windows headers will pick it up.
20100824 17:45:24< Shadowmaster> what
20100824 17:45:33< Shadowmaster> ah, wait, Windows should do. I think
20100824 17:45:54< Shadowmaster> if it requires recompiling boost, you'll receive a fish
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20100824 17:49:13 * Soliton needs to install new boost versions on the alternate servers still...
20100824 17:51:22< loonycyborg> Shadowmaster: In this case it doesn't since asio is header-only.
20100824 17:52:12< Shadowmaster> WesnothSDK.zip also has the other updated DLLs in that server dir which have the same timestamp, right?
20100824 17:52:31< Shadowmaster> around the same. It's actually newer than the loose DLLs by 2 hours
20100824 17:52:44< Shadowmaster> one hour 14 minutes
20100824 17:55:16< loonycyborg> iirc I've updated it too, yes.
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20100824 17:58:04< Shadowmaster> 21.3 M
20100824 17:58:21< Shadowmaster> this is madness. Is there any PE-compatible strip tool on the server?
20100824 17:59:34< Shadowmaster> found it
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20100824 18:00:21< Shadowmaster> it's 23 MB after stripping
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20100824 18:01:42< Shadowmaster> reduced it to 16 M after fixing my cmd line, and 4.8 MB after bzipping. Cool
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20100824 18:08:27< Shadowmaster> ew.
20100824 18:09:06< Shadowmaster> n abnormal program termination (abort() path) when it fails to connect to the custom wesnoth.org:portnumberIforgot server
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20100824 18:09:10< Shadowmaster> *I get an
20100824 18:09:50< Shadowmaster> loonycyborg: I confirm that the fix works on Windows XP.
20100824 18:09:59< Shadowmaster> I mean WIndows 2000
20100824 18:10:20< loonycyborg> Yay!
20100824 18:10:30< Shadowmaster> now go and recompile 1.9.0
20100824 18:11:22< Shadowmaster> those angry Windows 2000 users will raid your home otherwise
20100824 18:11:27 * loonycyborg is way too lazy for that. Ivanovic planned to make 1.9.1 real soon after 1.9.0
20100824 18:12:11< Shadowmaster> that will help my business anyway
20100824 18:12:26< loonycyborg> What business?
20100824 18:13:23< Shadowmaster> I'm now selling pitchforks, torches, and other kind of stuff for good old town mutiny scenarios
20100824 18:14:11< Shadowmaster> expect at least one user at your door holding a pitchfork, a torch, and a little fat guy with a ninja attire
20100824 18:16:37< loonycyborg> I bet that ninja attire will be bright red :P
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20100824 19:50:59< anonymissimus> silene: I've improved the "encoding wml objects into lua tables" section in the wiki lately
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20100824 19:53:43< [Relic]> Hello :)
20100824 20:01:38< silene> anonymissimus: thanks; i'm wondering if we shouldn't go further in the expanded table and write, not only the unnamed fields, but also the named ones with the array syntax, e.g. "['foo'] = 42"; but perhaps it will make things too confusing
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20100824 20:03:41< anonymissimus> hm the purpose is to show the relation to the "addressing elements" part, didn't know that named fields can be written in such a way so I guess it's not needed
20100824 20:04:50< silene> anonymissimus: there is no difference between t['k'] and t.k, and it's also true at assignation time
20100824 20:05:18< silene> the named form is just syntactic sugar
20100824 20:05:53< Ivanovic> yeah, my current idea is to try to get 1.9.1 out this weekend or next
20100824 20:06:17< Ivanovic> i'd like to have a release where especially the networking issues are fixed
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20100824 20:35:22< billynux> hi all
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20100824 20:53:18< Ivanovic> hi billynux
20100824 20:53:27< billynux> hi Ivanovic 
20100824 20:54:10< billynux> Ivanovic,  I put the "segfault when connecting to 'redirecting' MP server" to fixed, did you test it?
20100824 20:54:22< Ivanovic> billynux: no, not yet
20100824 20:54:30< Ivanovic> what is the status of the other network bugs?
20100824 20:54:38< billynux> Ivanovic, I just tried connecting with my svn version to server.wesnoth.org:14999 and worked (didn't before)
20100824 20:55:15< billynux> Ivanovic, I just started working on bug #16523, about segfaults when issuing certain commands
20100824 20:55:41< Ivanovic> greatr
20100824 20:56:17< Ivanovic> -r
20100824 20:56:23< billynux> :)
20100824 20:56:36< billynux> It's the same old story, I never tested these things :(
20100824 20:56:51< billynux> It's not that hard to fix
20100824 20:57:08< Ivanovic> once those are implemented (and others found ;) ) we should be in a lot better state and ready for 1.9.1
20100824 20:57:29< Ivanovic> since yeah, all the network related stuff is the main problem we have/had with 1.9.0 (beside the memory usage, yeah)
20100824 20:59:18< billynux> ok, I hate to be "the main problem we have/had" :(
20100824 21:06:14< billynux> Ivanovic, Soliton : in struct network::connection_stats (network.hpp:211) what is the meaning of int time_connected?
20100824 21:06:23< billynux> I assume seconds since connection
20100824 21:06:27< billynux> and return just that
20100824 21:06:50< billynux> however, my wesnoth client says "connected for 0: 0: 0"
20100824 21:07:17< Soliton> yeah, that stuff's been broken since a while (again).
20100824 21:07:28< Soliton> feel free to fix it. ;-)
20100824 21:10:43< billynux> Soliton, :) well... I think one of the other commands gave me the right amount of days, hours, etc...
20100824 21:11:48< billynux> Soliton, the /query metrics
20100824 21:12:14< Soliton> that's a different stat.
20100824 21:12:42< billynux> Soliton, Ivanovic, so... it should be a matter of adding a method calculate_days_hours_mins_secs that works the way the metric command does and using that for status as well
20100824 21:12:55< billynux> I'm testing other commands ATM
20100824 21:13:20< Ivanovic> no idea what is required
20100824 21:13:51< Ivanovic> billynux: regarding "i hate being the one responsible for the main problem": this is completely normal for network related stuff
20100824 21:14:02< billynux> Ivanovic,  I guess...
20100824 21:14:21< Ivanovic> the problem is that there are basically no testers of this stuff, so probs can only be found in a release
20100824 21:14:38< Ivanovic> and this only once enough people use it (cf mp lobby, with only 4 games it was perfectly usable...)
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20100824 21:19:40< billynux> Ivanovic, yes, you are right, when I decided to "implement methods on demand" my strategy was both good and bad, it helped me concentrate and test as I implemented, but I really should have nailed all possible test cases
20100824 21:20:03< billynux> Ivanovic, nobody really told me to try the commands in the lobby, a simple test case as it is, but I didn't know about it :(
20100824 21:20:14< billynux> Ivanovic, anyway, I'm fixing it now
20100824 21:20:17< Ivanovic> billynux: ah, finding all of those is barely possible with what wesnoth does allow
20100824 21:21:04< billynux> Ivanovic, e.g. : get_pending_stats is strange, my pending network operations are handled by asio (and not ANA itself)
20100824 21:21:33< Ivanovic> might be that not everything *can* be implemented in the new way exactly the same way as it was before
20100824 21:22:13< billynux> Ivanovic, this could, just that it would be a complicated pain (and I don't think it would add much)
20100824 21:22:30< Ivanovic> billynux: about server stuff you should talk to Soliton
20100824 21:22:48< Ivanovic> he maintains our mp server(s) and knows best what is required because of this
20100824 21:23:14< billynux> Soliton, what level of importance is put on the pending statistics?
20100824 21:24:25< billynux> Soliton, pending operations are handled by asio, and not ANA at the moment
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20100824 21:24:49< Soliton> what are pending statistics?
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20100824 21:25:36< Soliton> is that for progress bars and such?
20100824 21:26:24< billynux> Soliton, no
20100824 21:26:43< billynux> Soliton, the amount of pending sends (stuff that haven't been sent yet) and bytes
20100824 21:27:07< Soliton> well, who wants to know?
20100824 21:27:17< billynux> Soliton, /query netstats
20100824 21:28:28< Soliton> not a big deal then.
20100824 21:28:35< billynux> Soliton, most of the time the results should be 0,0 -> no pending sends or bytes
20100824 21:29:03< Soliton> well, it's 75406 on 1.8 atm.
20100824 21:29:39< Soliton> there are actually a couple of people that play the stable version. ;-)
20100824 21:30:11< billynux> Soliton, hm... so there are currently ~75k pending operations?
20100824 21:30:31< billynux> Soliton, in that case I guess I will implement this, since the information is relevant after all
20100824 21:32:17< Soliton> ok.
20100824 21:39:06< Soliton> with the broken stuff i was thinking about a connections sent and received bytes, btw. the connected for time worked fine.
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20100824 21:42:11< billynux> Soliton, in /query status?
20100824 21:43:37< Soliton> yeah.
20100824 21:44:05< billynux> Soliton, I will commit these local changes I have, now no /query command hangs the server
20100824 21:44:28< Soliton> cool.
20100824 21:44:38< billynux> Soliton, however pending stats are not yet calculated, "connected for" doesn't show up right in my case
20100824 21:44:51< billynux> Soliton, and if wesnothd hangs abruptly, so does the connected clients :(
20100824 21:46:06< Soliton> interesting definition of asynchronous. :-P
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20100824 21:46:25< billynux> Soliton, but I'm guessing commiting this is fine
20100824 21:47:17< billynux> Soliton, really? where? 'interesting' as in ...? :)
20100824 21:47:46< Soliton> hanging when the other side hangs.
20100824 21:51:24< CIA-35> billynux * r45993 /trunk/src/ (network_ana.cpp network_manager_ana.cpp): 
20100824 21:51:24< CIA-35> Fix bugs when issuing certain /query messages to the server. Even though this
20100824 21:51:24< CIA-35> fixes the hang ups some functionality remains unimplemented still, such as the
20100824 21:51:24< CIA-35> pending statistics (see the TODO in network_ana.cpp:113 about this.)
20100824 21:56:21< Soliton> looks like there are some timeouts missing in ana if it can really hang indefinitely.
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20100824 22:03:56< CIA-35> ivanovic * r45994 /trunk/ (23 files in 22 dirs): updated Chinese (Traditional) translation
20100824 22:05:50< billynux> Soliton, hm... I gotta go ATM, please see if you can find more information about these and other me-related bugs, I'll be back in about 1hr
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20100824 22:14:21< Soliton> http://yourpaste.net/5957/ bt from such a hang. wait_completion() doesn't sounds particularly async especially when called from the GUI thread.
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20100824 23:10:14< billynux-afk> Soliton, You are right, wait_completion() is not async. ANA is an asynchronous API but the network API in network.hpp isn't. So, to implement the methods in network.hpp I had to come up with an implementation of the sync methods using my async. library (ANA). The wait_completion methods for the handlers is the synchronous part of that implementation. As you say, a timeout is missing if something hangs, since a timeout will actually si
20100824 23:10:14< billynux-afk> gnal to the handler and wait_completion would finish
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20100824 23:36:55< mysticX> billynux: hello
20100824 23:37:12< billynux> hi mysticX 
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20100824 23:50:34< billynux> mysitcX, please let me know if the new checkout fixes your compilation problem, I'm logging off now
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