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20100827 00:06:09< anonymissimus> Gambit: your chat tag doesn't work well
20100827 00:07:13< anonymissimus> put a translation mark before the message and it breaks
20100827 00:08:05< anonymissimus> also it displays the message number_of(human sides) times
20100827 00:09:13< anonymissimus> and such things like speaker=second_unit would be expected to be handles
20100827 00:09:18< anonymissimus> handled
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20100827 00:16:39< anonymissimus> and what is print(side.__cfg.controller) ? debug messages shouldn't be left, this is printed even without a command line argument, in stdout.txt (on win)
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20100827 00:53:59< SpoOkyMagician> I got a campaign of mine uploaded to the server with translate=yes and it seems to be on the gettext site. (http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/?package=wesnoth-MAP&order=trans&version=branch) So, from here, do I ask on the forums about getting it translated or do I wait for others to translate it? (whenever they have the time.)
20100827 01:05:16< rusty2> SpoOkyMagician: I recommend using Google Translate to translate it so badly that everyone insists on fixing it up for you :)
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20100827 01:06:28< SpoOkyMagician> hm, well, i guess i could try that. but, I am no expert with translations. its my weakness. i only know very little spanish myself. But, all i need to do is learn how to make the .po files right?
20100827 01:08:06< SpoOkyMagician> (but the translator should help. thanks)
20100827 01:09:18< SpoOkyMagician> how do i go about making the .po files?
20100827 01:10:03< SpoOkyMagician> and what is the format/syntax (if any)
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20100827 01:13:05< SpoOkyMagician> nevermind. i think i found one
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20100827 01:15:22< Bob_The_Mighty> Anyone know a better way than this (http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/WezhXkK6) to pick a location at random from a given selection?
20100827 01:17:09< SpoOkyMagician> hm...
20100827 01:17:49< SpoOkyMagician> i myself would use IF_VAR but that's just me...
20100827 01:17:58< SpoOkyMagician> (switch would be better)
20100827 01:19:19< Bob_The_Mighty> I was hoping that something like {RANDOM "12,32","23,54","2,65"} would do it all in one go
20100827 01:19:56< SpoOkyMagician> oh
20100827 01:20:11< SpoOkyMagician> well you should be able to do that
20100827 01:20:16< SpoOkyMagician> but try
20100827 01:20:21< SpoOkyMagician> {VARIABLE_OP}
20100827 01:20:24< SpoOkyMagician> using the rnd
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20100827 01:20:40< SpoOkyMagician> (im not familar with the random macro)
20100827 01:22:46< SpoOkyMagician> hm... for example... {VARIABLE_OP something rnd "1,2,3,4,5"} (its something like this)
20100827 01:25:14< SpoOkyMagician> meh, i checked my random code. i typed it wrong sorry bob
20100827 01:25:19< SpoOkyMagician> heres one that works
20100827 01:25:28< SpoOkyMagician> {VARIABLE_OP reward_type rand "gold,potion,nothing"}
20100827 01:26:43< Bob_The_Mighty> I think i will try using the set variable tag itself, to avoid confusion with all the "s 
20100827 01:27:04< SpoOkyMagician> ok but make sure you dont use random=
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20100827 01:27:10< SpoOkyMagician> that causes problems
20100827 01:27:32< SpoOkyMagician> as noted on here: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/InternalActionsWML#.5Bset_variable.5D
20100827 01:28:17< Bob_The_Mighty> Thanks, but I'm on 1.8 still
20100827 01:28:24< SpoOkyMagician> ok
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20100827 01:30:09< SpoOkyMagician> by the way, i would like to point this out to the devels: https://gna.org/bugs/?16536
20100827 01:31:37< Bob_The_Mighty> Even if this works, it would still be really useful to have a more direct way of 'picking a location randomly from a given selection'. Even klick n play let me do that :).
20100827 01:32:17< Gambit> anonymissimus: Okay I'll look at it
20100827 01:32:27< Gambit> anonymissimus: Were in in real MP, local, or SP?
20100827 01:33:24< anonymissimus> none of those
20100827 01:33:26< Gambit> anonymissimus: speaker would be $second_unit.name
20100827 01:33:31< Gambit> None?
20100827 01:33:36< Gambit> Is there some gameplay type I don't know about?
20100827 01:33:38< Gambit> :s
20100827 01:33:39< anonymissimus> sp with side=2 controller=human too
20100827 01:33:48< Gambit> sp campaign?
20100827 01:33:51< Gambit> or local mp?
20100827 01:33:53< anonymissimus> yes
20100827 01:33:59< anonymissimus> sp
20100827 01:33:59< Gambit> oh
20100827 01:34:03< Gambit> Yeah it displays to all humans.
20100827 01:34:07< Gambit> So if side 2 is a human...
20100827 01:34:14< Gambit> You'd get one for you, and one for the other I guess.
20100827 01:34:34 * Gambit checks
20100827 01:35:11< Gambit> Yeah in local mp I only get it once.
20100827 01:35:16< Gambit> anonymissimus: What campaign are you in?
20100827 01:35:33< anonymissimus> my personal testcampaign
20100827 01:35:36< Gambit> oh
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20100827 01:35:44< Gambit> can you send it to me?
20100827 01:35:53< anonymissimus> but I would expect it to vehave in real mp in the same way
20100827 01:36:07< anonymissimus> that is you get a message for each human side
20100827 01:36:14< Gambit> It doesn't.
20100827 01:36:30< anonymissimus> I volunteer to test it with you if you write a testscenario
20100827 01:36:44< Gambit> anonymissimus: in multiplayer the other human players are controlled by "network"
20100827 01:36:56< Gambit> I tested it with three wesnoth instances
20100827 01:37:38< anonymissimus> but did you pass also a speaker= attribute that isn't one fo teh nicks ?
20100827 01:37:55< Gambit> I just used speaker="bob
20100827 01:39:09< anonymissimus> anyway, I think such a tag should support the usual [message] behavior
20100827 01:39:31< anonymissimus> it would be expected to do it
20100827 01:39:50< anonymissimus> speaker=second_unit works in any according event
20100827 01:40:17< Gambit> Right but we're not giving it a unit.
20100827 01:40:20< anonymissimus> and you have a problem with translatable strings
20100827 01:40:20< Gambit> We're giving it a string.
20100827 01:40:31< anonymissimus> as I said
20100827 01:42:08< Gambit> Yeah. This is why I wanted to do this in C++.
20100827 01:42:11< anonymissimus> well you need to check whether speaker is the string second:unit or unit and if it is retrieve the id of that variable
20100827 01:42:22< Gambit> anonymissimus: I'm not familiar with lua, are there any lua tags that take translatable strings?
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20100827 01:42:53< anonymissimus> new action tags are implemented in lua...
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20100827 01:43:39< Gambit> Yes, but do you know if there are any already done that can use translatable strings?
20100827 01:43:44< anonymissimus> try calling tostring() for the tzranslatable string
20100827 01:44:09< anonymissimus> that may transform it into a translated string
20100827 01:44:29< anonymissimus> if its isn't a translatable string it stays the same
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20100827 01:50:02< Gambit> I'm not sure how to test if it actually gets translated though. :\
20100827 01:50:28< SpoOkyMagician_> you need actual translations (.po files)
20100827 01:50:29< Gambit> anonymissimus: Thanks for catching that.
20100827 01:50:39< Gambit> SpoOkyMagician_: Yeah. Don't have. :)
20100827 01:50:42< SpoOkyMagician_> (i believe. unless its already translated)
20100827 01:51:02< SpoOkyMagician_> im trying a program atm to translate MAP
20100827 01:51:10< anonymissimus> yes but if theres no translation it will stay the same I assume
20100827 01:51:40< anonymissimus> in any case the userdata caused by _ is gone
20100827 01:51:54< SpoOkyMagician_> but im new to .po files myself so, im not helpful to the topic. heh
20100827 01:51:59< Gambit> I don't know how translations work so this might be a stupid question; Can I replace a [message] tag in a mainline campaign with a [chat] tag?
20100827 01:52:14< Gambit> Keeping the same string for the message.
20100827 01:52:37< anonymissimus> thats the way it should work in my opinion
20100827 01:53:02< anonymissimus> just that the message is in the top left corner
20100827 01:53:09< anonymissimus> and without portrait etc
20100827 01:53:09< SpoOkyMagician_> [chat] (Version 1.9 and later only)
20100827 01:53:24< SpoOkyMagician_> i wasnt aware of this tag. interesting... (reads)
20100827 01:53:43< SpoOkyMagician_> neat
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20100827 01:54:07< Gambit> Okay assuming there is a spanish translation of Two Brothers...
20100827 01:54:11< SpoOkyMagician> but i wouldnt see why not it wouldnt work
20100827 01:54:17< SpoOkyMagician> (if using 1.9)
20100827 01:54:40< Gambit> It works :)
20100827 01:54:48< Gambit> <Arne> a bunch of spanish
20100827 01:55:24< anonymissimus> instead of side_list == nil you can do not side_list
20100827 01:55:43< Gambit> So I guess I'll check to see if speaker.id is a valid variable, and if so set speaker to speaker.name
20100827 01:55:47< anonymissimus> not nil, not false evaluate to true
20100827 01:55:47< Gambit> anonymissimus: Ah thanks
20100827 01:56:02< anonymissimus> anything else to true
20100827 01:56:17< Gambit> wgen you say not you mean the word or ! ?
20100827 01:56:28< anonymissimus> the word
20100827 01:56:43< anonymissimus> to false I mean
20100827 01:57:03< anonymissimus> "if not side_list then"
20100827 01:57:39< Gambit> And then for your other bug I'll try setting one of the orcs to be human controlled in httt.
20100827 01:57:48< Gambit> Well the other bug you found I should say.
20100827 01:58:00< Gambit> It's my bug/fault.
20100827 01:58:11< Gambit> I never considered a campaign with two player controlled sides
20100827 01:58:24< anonymissimus> some handling for the case that speaker misses may also be required
20100827 01:59:17< Gambit> That defaults to "Lua" I believe
20100827 01:59:54< anonymissimus> yes, right, ok in that case nothing bad happens
20100827 02:00:22< anonymissimus> two human controlled sides happen e.g. when debugging a single player campaign
20100827 02:01:25< anonymissimus> this is somehow always the case: I wonder hours about testcases but as soon as someone else sees it he has a testcase that breaks it within a minute
20100827 02:01:47< Gambit> So it's okay if the sides start both human?
20100827 02:01:57< Gambit> But later on it becomes broken?
20100827 02:02:06< Gambit> *if the control switches later on
20100827 02:05:09< anonymissimus> no, my testcase was both side human from the start
20100827 02:05:41< Gambit> Okay
20100827 02:06:06< Gambit> I wonder what the controller is in local mp then that makes it not do that
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20100827 02:07:42< anonymissimus> actually, I wonder why the behavior in mp is different
20100827 02:07:48< Gambit> Oh it does do that in local MP
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20100827 02:07:55< Gambit> I swear I tested that :\
20100827 02:08:17< Gambit> Oh wait I had it set to side=1,2
20100827 02:08:36< anonymissimus> anyway I like the tag, good luck
20100827 02:08:49< Gambit> anonymissimus: It doesn't do it in local mp
20100827 02:08:57< Gambit> You have no "side=" right?
20100827 02:09:14< Gambit> It should not do it twice.
20100827 02:09:27< Gambit> It's not actually sending messages, it's just telling the computer to display it.
20100827 02:09:41< Gambit> If there is no "side=" then it only displays one time.
20100827 02:09:57< anonymissimus> um, no
20100827 02:10:10< anonymissimus> when setting no side the loop insnt entered
20100827 02:10:17< anonymissimus> side=1,2
20100827 02:10:24< anonymissimus> and both controller=human
20100827 02:11:05< Gambit> Well that's why.
20100827 02:11:08< Gambit> You control both sides :\
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20100827 02:12:24< Gambit> I can make it return after displaying perhaps.
20100827 02:13:43< Gambit> or break the loop
20100827 02:14:29< Gambit> anonymissimus: Okay everything you mentioned is now fixed.
20100827 02:14:39< Gambit> Give me a few minutes to cleanup, double check, and commit
20100827 02:15:13< anonymissimus> np
20100827 02:15:16< anonymissimus> cya
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20100827 02:20:12< CIA-35> grickit * r46014 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Fixes many bugs that anonymissimus found with my initial code for the [chat] tag.
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20100827 02:23:58< Gambit> Oh I broke something :\
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20100827 02:32:02< CIA-35> grickit * r46015 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Fixes a bug I introduced in r46014.
20100827 02:33:42< Gambit> Somehow between the time I tested and committed I deleted three lines. I don't think I'll be committing anything else for a while, as that was very scary.
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20100827 02:39:56< SpoOkyMagician> by the way, is it a known issue that the "random map generate" sometimes puts player starting locations on non keep locations? (with default settings used. I am assuming this has to do with random code doing this.)
20100827 02:40:12< SpoOkyMagician> (map editor wise anyway)
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20100827 03:13:12< eleazar> Gambit: you can always get old version back with SVN
20100827 03:13:48< Gambit> eleazar: Well I wanted my new code + the mysteriously disappearing lines
20100827 03:14:08< Gambit> I ended up browsing to the repo and replacing the entire file and then copying my new code back in.
20100827 03:14:37< Gambit> But I guess it would have been faster to revert the file and then copying my new code back. I'll try that next time.
20100827 03:15:08< Gambit> Or do you mean I shouldn't be scared because you can undo my mess-uppery?
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20100827 03:15:32< eleazar> if you haven't commited yet, deleting (or moving) a file an and then running update is the easiest way to get the old state back
20100827 03:15:47< eleazar> but yeah, that's my general point
20100827 03:15:58< eleazar> SVN is friendly to mistakes
20100827 03:16:06< eleazar> not that you shouldn't try to avoid them
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20100827 03:16:35< eleazar> i've made my share
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20100827 03:19:58< alink> hi
20100827 03:23:00< alink> eleazar: so, what was the fix for that missing hover-hex image reported bug?
20100827 03:23:37< alink> mentioned here http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=452265#p452265
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20100827 03:40:40< alink> boucman: the usage of frequency in animation seems reversed :
20100827 03:40:55< alink> frequency: this integer value allows to easily tweak the matching frequency of animations. The filter will fail n-1 times out of n, randomly.
20100827 03:41:09< alink> says wiki, but in code :
20100827 03:41:18< alink> if(frequency_ && !(rand()%frequency_)) return MATCH_FAIL;
20100827 03:41:43< alink> probably just a typo with the !
20100827 03:42:54< alink> btw in this kind of case relying to the conversion to bool hurts readability a bit
20100827 03:43:34< alink> also, this test should probably be done before more expensive ones (for performance)
20100827 03:46:40< alink> to artists working on animation WML. I was thinking using this frequency feature to make some big idle anims less frequent
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20100827 03:47:44< alink> 'big' as more distracting and less natural. Like the skeleton playing with his head
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20100827 03:53:16< eleazar> alink:  Those images aren't found because they weren't included in 1.9
20100827 03:53:29< eleazar> at least not the mac version
20100827 03:54:15< alink> ok, any idea why?
20100827 03:54:50< eleazar> because you didn't commit them soon enough?
20100827 03:55:26< eleazar> i dunno
20100827 03:55:39< alink> mmh I remember committing them before the tagging, but maybe it was close
20100827 03:55:43< eleazar> but it worked fine in a build i made a couple days after release
20100827 03:57:07< eleazar> so as far as i'm concerned having the required images in the folder = the fix
20100827 03:58:25< alink> ok good, and I see that I didn't forget to commit them (15h before the tagging)
20100827 03:59:11< alink> I was initially disturbed by the bug report, glad that it is simply something a svn problem
20100827 03:59:25< alink> s/something/
20100827 04:00:23< alink> eleazar: but that means that it's broken for 1.9.0 mac users ?
20100827 04:00:39< eleazar> yeah
20100827 04:00:54< eleazar> but IIRC Ivanovic wants to roll 1.9.1 out pretty quickly
20100827 04:02:25< eleazar> it's annoying, but it's not a critical error
20100827 04:02:34< alink> I saw that, something like this w-e? to prevent users to guess release dates I guess (5 months, then 1 week...) ;-p
20100827 04:04:02< eleazar> ;)
20100827 04:04:11< eleazar> IIRWYDEI
20100827 04:04:20< eleazar> (it is ready when you don't expect it)
20100827 04:28:18< CIA-35> eleazar * r46016 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/void/ (12 files): shroud with less curvyness that the previous commit.
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20100827 04:41:31< alink> I just posted a new add-on "Fix golden hex (Mac)" on the server to fix the broken 1.9.0 golden hex for Mac
20100827 04:41:34< alink> bad idea?
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20100827 04:42:08< alink> 1.9 addon server = trunk addon server right ?
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20100827 04:43:03< alink> I wonder if we could use this technique to fix other missing images in release. Seems so obvious that I fear to miss some flaw about this
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20100827 04:48:37< alink> btw since I never publish addon, tell me if I did something wrong
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20100827 05:05:46< CIA-35> alink * r46017 /trunk/src/ (generate_report.cpp marked-up_text.cpp marked-up_text.hpp): 
20100827 05:05:46< CIA-35> Red/green color damage in sidebar when modified by bonus/malus
20100827 05:05:46< CIA-35> Use clear red/green, as often suggested in forum about my screenshot.
20100827 05:05:46< CIA-35> A bit too flashy for my tastes, but let's make the new feature well visible at first (also to get feedback from color-blind users)
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20100827 05:11:59< alink> Ivanovic: crimson_penguin:  if one change (committed 35 revisions or 15h  before the tagging) was not in 1.9.0 Mac, does that means that others commits are also missing in the mac release ?
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20100827 05:12:40< crimson_penguin> err...
20100827 05:12:58< crimson_penguin> what change?
20100827 05:13:21< crimson_penguin> I guess that would probably be the case, but I'm fairly certain I svn switch'd to the tag :-/
20100827 05:13:54< alink> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?rev=45817&view=rev   eleazar and one other user says that the images are missing
20100827 05:14:37< alink> eleazar: now that I think of it, are you sure that simply adding the images in 1.9.0 fix the problem ?
20100827 05:14:52< eleazar> i can test
20100827 05:14:57< alink> that means that the executable is good but not the data
20100827 05:15:19< alink> eleazar: can you test with my new addon ?
20100827 05:15:35< eleazar> what addon?
20100827 05:15:47< alink> <alink> I just posted a new add-on "Fix golden hex (Mac)" on the server to fix the broken 1.9.0 golden hex for Mac
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20100827 05:16:13< eleazar> k
20100827 05:16:20< alink> but I was assuming that the executable was ok, so it's maybe a big fail
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20100827 05:17:24< eleazar> yup it works
20100827 05:17:33< alink> eleazar: good, tahnks
20100827 05:17:38< alink> thanks i mean
20100827 05:18:18< alink> and now that I think more, the executable must be up-to-date because it tries to use the new images
20100827 05:18:45< eleazar> good night...
20100827 05:18:50< alink> eleazar: gn
20100827 05:19:23< alink> crimson_penguin: so, that seems to indicate that at least  src/ and images/ were not at the same revision in the release
20100827 05:20:55< crimson_penguin> alink: most likely: I failed to properly clean the data :(
20100827 05:21:18 * crimson_penguin needs to follow his own instructions to the dot
20100827 05:22:24< alink> crimson_penguin: maybe check what other files are inconsistent or not updated, unless 1.9.1 comes really soon
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20100827 05:22:57< alink> because that could explains some unreproductible bugs with macs
20100827 05:23:21< crimson_penguin> 1.9.1 is supposed to be out this weekend I think
20100827 05:23:47< alink> only tagged, at best
20100827 05:24:06< alink> and releases are often delayed
20100827 05:24:16< crimson_penguin> tagged means it'll be out a day or two later
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20100827 05:24:41< shadowmaster> tagged == instant source code release
20100827 05:24:55< alink> ah yes I was thinking about the release announcement 
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20100827 05:27:32< alink> also, I am not what I will do with this early 1.9.1, because introduced some new WiP WML syntax and I will not have time to decide its final form so soon. I guess I will just warn that it may changes soon.
20100827 05:28:03< alink> or not document it and keep it quiet since it is deep into terrain_graphics macros, no one will find it there ;)
20100827 05:29:16< alink> bah, I mistype too much, need some afk, bbl
20100827 05:32:47< crimson_penguin> alink: I'm checking it
20100827 05:34:33< crimson_penguin> alink: data/ is fine
20100827 05:36:27< crimson_penguin> alink: 164 different files in images/arrows, plus the 2 images you already noticed
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20100827 05:37:32< crimson_penguin> sounds is fine
20100827 05:38:29< crimson_penguin> I think that's everything
20100827 05:39:01< crimson_penguin> next time, I will try not to be an idiot :(
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20100827 07:51:47< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46018 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/ (4 files): Fixed some lines of dwarf/troll ally dialogue not branching right.
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20100827 08:00:20< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46019 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/ (7 files): Got rid of a bunch of unused variables.
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20100827 08:43:47< Soliton> alink: no 1.9 addon server != trunk addon server (see addons.wesnoth.org). looks like you uploaded to the right one anyway.
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20100827 09:21:34< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46020 /trunk/data/campaigns/Sceptre_of_Fire/scenarios/Epilogue.cfg: Fixed Alanin not appearing in the epilogue. Seems to fix bug #16542.
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20100827 09:23:58< zookeeper> the status of almost all the items in the gna tasks tracker seems hopelessly out of date. should those all just be closed?
20100827 09:25:21< zookeeper> "Support for multiplayer campaigns" marked as "in progress", last update from 2005... :p
20100827 09:26:00 * shadowmaster 'd rather see the whole Tasks tracker gone.
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20100827 09:54:37< Ivanovic> moin
20100827 09:55:16< Ivanovic> zookeeper: i think we never used the "task" tragger
20100827 09:55:21< Ivanovic> just feature requests and bugs
20100827 09:55:30< Ivanovic> though i got no idea how to remove this task tragger
20100827 09:55:36< Ivanovic> s/tragger/tracker
20100827 09:55:43< Ivanovic> (yeah, am still basically asleep)
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20100827 09:56:52< zookeeper> Ivanovic, well, it's been used, only pretty rarely. if it's not really supposed to be used, then can it be disabled completely?
20100827 10:00:45< Ivanovic> zookeeper: if there is a way then i don't know how
20100827 10:01:00< Ivanovic> personally i'd say "use some personal blacklisting, just never click on "tasks"
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20100827 10:02:57< Ivanovic> ah, right, there seems a way to deactivate it
20100827 10:03:19< Ivanovic> will write a mail about this to the dev-ml to provide an advance warning for those that *might* be using it
20100827 10:04:01< Ivanovic> eg at least elias used it once this year
20100827 10:04:10< Ivanovic> but, hmm, removing it
20100827 10:08:31< Ivanovic> zookeeper: sent a mail, will deactivate it on sunday unless someone says "i really need it!"
20100827 10:09:41< zookeeper> okay
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20100827 11:22:59< Ivanovic> boucman, crab_ fabi, mordante: when your SoC students billynux, gabba, timotei and upthorn are around, please remind then that they got to upload their code samples
20100827 11:23:11< Ivanovic> they have to be uploaded here: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2010-wesnoth/downloads/list
20100827 11:23:22< Ivanovic> i already changed the SoC "homepage" thingie to point there
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20100827 11:54:02< fabi> Ivanovic: timotei has taken some away time, there are some exams right now. Don't know when to expect him back.
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20100827 11:54:58< Ivanovic> okay
20100827 11:55:20< Ivanovic> its just mandatory for him to upload his code changes there (gsoc stuff...)
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20100827 13:45:34< Crab_> Ivanovic: ok
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20100827 13:48:23< Crab_> Upthorn: note the logs - you need to upload the code archive to google (just an archive with all your commits, for example).
20100827 13:48:48< Ivanovic> can be a single diff file or *whatever*
20100827 13:49:05< Crab_> Upthorn: no particular hurry to do that, but it's quite easy to do&forget :)
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20100827 15:56:07< CIA-35> grickit * r46021 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Minor update to [chat].
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20100827 16:24:28< AI0867> zookeeper: am I correct in that there's currently no way to filter on the turn number in an SLF?
20100827 16:24:49< AI0867> excluding hacks like placing flag units on the map or replacing the filter of course
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20100827 16:26:21< AI0867> ah, a SUF can use formula or lua
20100827 16:26:33< AI0867> and lua can use wesnoth.current.turn
20100827 16:26:44< AI0867> that'll do
20100827 16:32:10< zookeeper> umm
20100827 16:32:41< zookeeper> what sense would it make to "filter on the turn number in an SLF"?
20100827 16:32:51< zookeeper> you want the filter to match only if it's turn X?
20100827 16:34:24< AI0867> I want it to do one thing before a certain turn, and then a different thing afterwards
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20100827 16:34:59< AI0867> but I realized I probably want to change the description too, so I'll have to replace the ability anyway...
20100827 16:37:39< zookeeper> well, can't understand a word..
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20100827 16:42:03< AI0867> I have an ability that's active during certain times of day
20100827 16:42:19< AI0867> and I want this to vary over the course of the scenario
20100827 16:48:24< AI0867> this diff shows roughly what I want it to do, no new WML needed: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/6z2C9546
20100827 16:54:59 * zookeeper looks
20100827 16:59:00< zookeeper> yeah, a lua function or a formula seems like a good idea there
20100827 17:02:26< AI0867> not having a name_inactive seems sufficient to hide the ability
20100827 17:02:33< AI0867> so no need to remove or add anything
20100827 17:19:25< Gambit> Interesting possible bug. I placed a side (4) on the map without defining it in the cfg. When side 4 attacked a real side (side 3) the game crashed. Segmentation fault.
20100827 17:21:23< CIA-35> ivanovic * r46022 /branches/1.8/ (7 files in 6 dirs): updated Hungarian and Indonesian translation
20100827 17:21:34< CIA-35> ivanovic * r46023 /trunk/ (22 files in 21 dirs): updated Hungarian and Indonesian translation
20100827 17:25:54< Gambit> as per instructions on the wiki: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/ycA7A0mv
20100827 17:26:12< Gambit> ^I guess that's a "backtrace"
20100827 17:26:44< Gambit> Upthorn: It seems to be related to persistent variables.
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20100827 17:27:59< Gambit> I have a moveto event that sets global variables for the current side. That's probably why.
20100827 17:28:57< Gambit> oh wait there's more to the thing that I didn't copy :\
20100827 17:29:58< Gambit> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/RngCjs9J
20100827 17:30:14< Gambit> There's the whole thing.
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20100827 18:34:27< billynux> hi all. Soliton, around?
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20100827 18:45:12< billynux> I'm working on bug #16536, anybody know why the client would want to destroy it's network_game_manager in src/multiplayer.cpp:51 ?
20100827 18:46:20< boucman> billynux: not sure what you mean, that's the declaration of the destructor, not a call to it...
20100827 18:46:51< billynux> boucman, I know... I'm debugging this case, and it turns out code reaches this point (in the client side)
20100827 18:47:14< boucman> billynux: backtrace ?
20100827 18:47:25< billynux> boucman, when attempting to play a second game after aborting the first (see bug #16536)
20100827 18:47:26< billynux> boucman, 1'
20100827 18:50:26< billynux> boucman, http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/vKgyNpBT
20100827 18:51:49< boucman> in enter_create_mode, you create a network_game_manager on the stack, so when that function exit, its destructor is called
20100827 18:51:58< boucman> (IIUC your question, again....)
20100827 18:52:08< billynux> There you have both backtraces, it turns out the cient destroys it's network_game_manager (created in multiplayer:435)
20100827 18:53:04< billynux> boucman, what I'm trying to figure out is why on earth would you send a "leave_game" when you are actually trying to play it
20100827 18:54:33< boucman> i'm not sure I understand... m is destroyed because we are leaving enter_wait_mode, which destroys everything on the stack, is your question "why are we leaving enter_wait_mode" ?
20100827 18:54:36< billynux> boucman, if res is equal to mp::ui::PLAY, it should have run play_game
20100827 18:54:54< boucman> and is it equal ? did it run it ?
20100827 18:55:17< boucman> if you have gdb running you can easily check
20100827 18:55:27< billynux> it is equal, but it appears not to have ran it (was there an exception thrown?)
20100827 18:56:14< billynux> hm, 1'
20100827 18:56:23< boucman> then it probably did try, did you step through this function to see what's happening ?
20100827 18:56:41< billynux> no, that's what I'm about to do
20100827 18:57:00< boucman> you could add a try catch around to see what's happening, or use whatever gdb offers to debug exceptions (which I don't know)
20100827 18:57:49< billynux> yes, it enters play_game alright, sorry about that
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20100827 19:05:34< billynux> boucman, I'm pretty lost :(. My hunch is this: play_game (playcampaign.cpp:204) quit abruptly, but don't know why (trying to figure this out)
20100827 19:06:04< boucman> billynux: try to add a try...catch around to look if it quits on an exception...
20100827 19:06:19< boucman> if it does, you might want to break on the exception, i think gdb can do it
20100827 19:06:20< billynux> ok
20100827 19:06:36< boucman> i'll google for the gdb manual while you test that
20100827 19:07:54< boucman> billynux: catch <exception> will break when the exception is triggered
20100827 19:08:56< billynux> boucman, thanks, I'm following the code io_type (in 362) is SERVER, so then it calls playmp_scenario which will call playcontroller.play_scenario..
20100827 19:09:10< loonycyborg> I haven't ever figured out how to make gdb catch a particular type of exception :(
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20100827 19:09:58< boucman> billynux: ok there is a faster method
20100827 19:10:05< boucman> To make the debugger catch all exceptions before any stack unwinding takes place, set a breakpoint on __raise_exception
20100827 19:10:27< billynux> boucman, nice :)
20100827 19:10:38< billynux> boucman, I'm just not sure there is an exception thrown
20100827 19:10:52< loonycyborg> boucman: Isn't it the same as 'catch throw'?
20100827 19:10:59< billynux> so I'm merriliy (not) following the code around
20100827 19:11:36< boucman> loonycyborg: apparently this version will work with all gdb, catch throw might only work on most recent ones... but i'm just a google user, not a gdb expert :P
20100827 19:12:02< boucman> billynux: you should check for exceptions, that's faster :P
20100827 19:12:23< loonycyborg> Annoyingly the online help says that catch throw should take a third arg but it doesn't actually.
20100827 19:12:58< loonycyborg> If I say 'catch throw std::runtime_error' it says 'Junk at end of arguments.'
20100827 19:13:12< billynux> boucman, ok, it caught one
20100827 19:13:18< billynux> using catch throw :)
20100827 19:13:43< billynux> lua appears to be complaining, paste coming up
20100827 19:14:57< billynux> boucman, loonycyborg : http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/JLeNKXBN 
20100827 19:15:12< billynux> I don't know if that exc. is expected or not
20100827 19:16:11< boucman> hmm, lua is very far from my expertise... 
20100827 19:16:37< loonycyborg> It looks like something happened when lua executed "\nwesnoth.dofile 'lua/compatibility-1.8.lua'\nwesnoth.dofile 'lua/wml-tags.lua'\n"
20100827 19:17:23< billynux> pretty far from mine too
20100827 19:17:42< billynux> I'll paste this information in the bug report
20100827 19:17:46< loonycyborg> silene is the person to ask.
20100827 19:19:02< billynux> I still don't know if this exception is 'abnormal', unfortunately some people use this alternate mode of control as a control flow for normal situations
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20100827 19:23:47< boucman> billynux: there arn't many exceptions in wesnoth...
20100827 19:24:25< boucman> billynux: i'd be suprised if it were normal, it's most likely to be something remaining from one game to the next...
20100827 19:25:11< billynux> boucman, it appears so, yes, but I have no clue as to why :)
20100827 19:25:27< billynux> silene will see this from my bug comments
20100827 19:25:54< billynux> boucman, so... could it be network related?
20100827 19:26:20< boucman> billynux: it's still possible, but at this point I would be suprised
20100827 19:26:59< boucman> maybe this bug should be assigned to silene, but better wait for him before reassigning
20100827 19:27:24< boucman> and sorry for assuming it was a network bug and making you debug it, it seemed a logical assumption at the time
20100827 19:31:48< billynux> boucman, very logical, IIRC my code was exhibiting the same buggy behavior before (which I think I fixed)
20100827 19:32:00< billynux> and it was silene that assigned it to me in the first place
20100827 19:32:06< boucman> :P
20100827 19:32:09< billynux> also, no problem that it was assigned to me
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20100827 19:36:13< billynux> boucman,  <catharsis> I'm currently trying to learn Mac OS X + xCode + Interface Builder + Objective-C just to continue with an interview for a job, and this is proving to be a royal pain in the butt, so I enjoy debugging this more </catharsis>
20100827 19:36:49< boucman> :P
20100827 19:37:30< boucman> I have been spending 6 month coding VB97 for a safety critical system (airplane electric system) I know about the cathartric effect of coding wesnoth :P
20100827 19:37:46< billynux> :D
20100827 19:38:44< billynux> VB for critical systems!!!! in friggin' planes!!!!!! (It's only missing the sharks and lasers)
20100827 19:39:17< boucman> billynux: don't worry, the planes don't actually run the VB
20100827 19:39:37< boucman> it was some extreme excel coding to check that all failure cases were properly covered
20100827 19:40:32< billynux> ah...  but I won't rest on planes anymore :) unless you proved the code using wp calculus and ran model checkers, etc...
20100827 19:43:16< boucman> wesbot is down ??
20100827 19:44:50< billynux> appears so
20100827 19:53:18< Gambit> wesbot and Rhonda — for a while
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20100827 19:56:11< mordante> servus
20100827 19:57:41 * boucman is lost in playsingle_controller, any expert around ?
20100827 19:58:33< mordante> billynux, did you already upload your gsoc code?
20100827 19:58:57< billynux> hi mordante :)
20100827 19:59:04< mordante> hi billynux 
20100827 19:59:12< billynux> mordante, nope, I think you can "start" uploading the code on the 30h
20100827 19:59:16< billynux> 30th
20100827 19:59:22< mordante> ok
20100827 19:59:31< billynux> and I meant "I can start uploading it"
20100827 20:00:33< mordante> I understood that ;-)
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20100827 20:06:48< boucman> hey gabba
20100827 20:06:48< gabba> bonjour
20100827 20:06:53< boucman> quoi de neuf ?
20100827 20:06:58< gabba> hey boucman
20100827 20:07:34< gabba> boucman: I was wondering if 1.9.1 is planned for this week-end after all?
20100827 20:07:58< CIA-35> mordante * r46024 /trunk/src/persist_manager.cpp: Add newline at end of file.
20100827 20:07:59< Ivanovic> gabba: depends
20100827 20:08:09< CIA-35> mordante * r46025 /trunk/ (22 files in 5 dirs): Removed the statitics upload code.
20100827 20:08:13< Ivanovic> if the stuff with apostroph conversion is finally fixed: maybe on sunday
20100827 20:08:24< Ivanovic> currently the state is too inconsitent between mainline and pofix
20100827 20:08:26< boucman> gabba: that's a question for Ivanovic :P
20100827 20:08:58< billynux> mordante, Ivanovic : Finally: the sats upload removed! :D
20100827 20:09:03< Ivanovic> :)
20100827 20:09:06< billynux> hi silene 
20100827 20:09:21< mordante> billynux, yeah the commit was already pending for a while
20100827 20:09:31< gabba> Ivanovic: ah, ok. Thing is, I have a big bug to fix for the whiteboard and I'm gone this weekend, so I guess I have to try and finish that in the next two hours then.
20100827 20:09:34< silene> billynux: i have seen your traces; you are right, it may come from something else
20100827 20:09:34< billynux> mordante, did you use my old patch?
20100827 20:09:47< mordante> billynux, no did it again
20100827 20:09:57< mordante> (forgot about the patch)
20100827 20:10:22< billynux> silene, good to know. I did have the same bug before right? (which made me the logical choice for the bug assignment)
20100827 20:10:48< billynux> mordante, :( (that was the patch that gave me commit access)
20100827 20:11:50< silene> billynux: the logical choice is more like: the bug seems network related, you are currently the one who best know this code so you will be able to quickly decide whether it is actually network-related or not
20100827 20:12:23< billynux> yep
20100827 20:12:57< mordante> billynux, well it's gone :-)
20100827 20:13:51< loonycyborg> Wasn't it committed to 1.6 branch?
20100827 20:13:56< billynux> 1.8
20100827 20:13:56< loonycyborg> 1.8 that is
20100827 20:14:00< billynux> yes
20100827 20:14:08< billynux> So, it did 'some' good
20100827 20:14:43< billynux> hey, anybody know how I can use threading::waiter to signal something like a thread::yield?
20100827 20:15:20< billynux> problem: there is a connect( ... , threading::waiter& ); method, the idea is to be able to yield the current thread while connection procedures are under way
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20100827 20:15:47< billynux> right now my code is blocking until I connect, error or a timeout occurs
20100827 20:16:02< billynux> so... music and UI are kaput during this time
20100827 20:16:07< silene> billynux: are you sure you want to yield? it may just be ignored by some operating systems
20100827 20:16:29< silene> you should rather sleep or wait for a condition
20100827 20:16:50< billynux> silene, yes, condition variable is more likely
20100827 20:17:03< billynux> so, waiting for a condition is best
20100827 20:17:15< boucman> seriously, anybody with an expertise on the whole turn structure around ? I have a bug to fix and i'm a bit confused...
20100827 20:17:28< billynux> but it appears I have to use the waiter
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20100827 20:33:56< CIA-35> silene * r46026 /trunk/src/ (3 files): 
20100827 20:33:56< CIA-35> Ensured exceptions are unstickied. (Fix for bug #16536.)
20100827 20:33:56< CIA-35> One of the changes only is needed, but all of them have been added to be on the safe side.
20100827 20:34:58< billynux> silene, :)
20100827 20:37:47< CIA-35> boucman * r46027 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): force the gui to be aware of turn change earlier so it happens before healing animations, fix bug 16049
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20100827 20:40:00< zookeeper> argh, i'd need to use image="terrain/alphamask.png~CS(236,0,140)~TC($side_number|,magenta)" to create a solid TC'd hex, but the TC function always gets applied first :S
20100827 20:40:11< zookeeper> shadowmaster, ^ is there a workaround?
20100827 20:44:46< eleazar> can someone with a recent build check if the water transitions are being animated?
20100827 20:45:33< boucman> sure thing
20100827 20:45:41< eleazar> my build is a little old
20100827 20:45:51< boucman> what should I look for, exactly ?
20100827 20:45:55< eleazar> put water next to sand
20100827 20:46:03< eleazar> turn on the gird
20100827 20:46:06< eleazar> grid
20100827 20:46:08< boucman> done
20100827 20:46:19< eleazar> and look for any movement /animation on the sand hex
20100827 20:47:33< boucman> eleazar: I don't see anything move, but it seems that the sand is drawn over the water, so it's hard to see if it's an anim bug or a WML side bug
20100827 20:47:50< eleazar> it's double sided
20100827 20:48:02< eleazar> sand at 50% drawn over water
20100827 20:48:10< eleazar> and water at 50% drawn over sand
20100827 20:48:27< Gambit> zookeeper: data/core/images/terrain/light.png
20100827 20:48:53< Gambit> It's already solid
20100827 20:49:17< Gambit> Err nevermind alphamask is solid too.
20100827 20:49:23< boucman> I zoomed hevily to try to see, and there is animations from the sand in the water hex, but I can't see anything move on the sand hex...
20100827 20:49:45< eleazar> boucman: yeah, that's what i'm seeing
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20100827 20:49:48< zookeeper> Gambit, how does that help me?
20100827 20:49:53< zookeeper> oh, right
20100827 20:50:00< eleazar> boucman: i'm afraid animated transitions don't animate
20100827 20:50:10< Gambit> zookeeper: can you ~RC(black<$stored_side.colour) ?
20100827 20:50:34< boucman> eleazar: maybe you could replace a transition with something very visible (like a fast switch in color) to test
20100827 20:50:43< Gambit> or ~TC($side_number|,black) or whatever it is you do.
20100827 20:50:53< eleazar> boucman:  good idea--- on it...
20100827 20:50:56< Gambit> Black is a team color
20100827 20:51:01< Gambit> So it has a pallete just like magenta
20100827 20:51:03< zookeeper> Gambit, ah, the black palette, good idea
20100827 20:51:09< zookeeper> i'll try
20100827 20:51:24< boucman> eleazar: if you could point me at the corresponding line in terrain-graphics.cfg, I could check there too
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20100827 20:52:30< eleazar> boucman: aproximately line 700 and following
20100827 20:52:32< Gambit> Though pure black may not be in the black pallete.
20100827 20:52:35< boucman> k, thx
20100827 20:53:34< boucman> eleazar: line 708 (sand-to-water) has no builder specified, you should change it to _LFB and add ANIMATION_15 (or something like that)
20100827 20:53:54< eleazar> that part isn't animated
20100827 20:53:56< zookeeper> Gambit, right, there's no black palette, just a black [color_range]...i'll see if i can still use that somehow
20100827 20:54:09< boucman> oh
20100827 20:54:37< eleazar> but all the following LBF lines are the ones that overlap the sand with animated water
20100827 20:54:47< boucman> it's drawn over the water, so animation might be hard to see
20100827 20:55:20< alink> eleazar: boucman: to check if an hex is animated use :sunset
20100827 20:55:35< eleazar> alink: in the editor?
20100827 20:55:44< boucman> alink: won't work in this particular case
20100827 20:55:58< boucman> the hex is made of multiple animated layers, and we want to check a specific layer
20100827 20:56:31< alink> well, it test-scenario, i see water transitions on a sand tile, and nothing in this hex is animated
20100827 20:57:06< alink> eleazar: to use in editor, activate it in game, then use the editor
20100827 20:57:30< alink> yes, I know, not convenient :-/
20100827 20:58:38< CIA-35> eleazar * r46028 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/water/ (12 files): temporary ugly ocean trans for troubleshooting.
20100827 20:58:49< alink> boucman: indeed it works only to check if there is at least one animated layer
20100827 20:59:03< eleazar> OK, if the ocean is animating, you'll see an orange-ish flash
20100827 20:59:08< eleazar> on the transitions
20100827 20:59:14< boucman> and you're saying there's none ? hmmm
20100827 20:59:24< alink> on the sand tile, yes
20100827 21:00:04< boucman> eleazar: that's ocean-to-anything transitions, isn't it ?
20100827 21:00:09< eleazar> yea
20100827 21:01:18< alink> btw mt build was 1 day old, if relevant, testing with current trunk now
20100827 21:01:27< alink> s/mt/my
20100827 21:02:13< boucman> hmm, they are not animated... digging in to see what's going on
20100827 21:02:40< eleazar> I should have realized this sooner
20100827 21:03:15< eleazar> i just assumed the glitchy behavior on the edges was my computer struggling to keep up with the redrawing
20100827 21:04:49< boucman> alink, eleazar: I don't see anything obvious in the macros
20100827 21:05:25< alink> line 708 doesn't use ANIMATION_15, is it normal ?
20100827 21:05:30< eleazar> yeah
20100827 21:05:48< eleazar> that's the sand reaching into the water hexes
20100827 21:05:55< alink> ok
20100827 21:06:01< eleazar> semi-transparent
20100827 21:06:20< eleazar> so you see the water animating underneath
20100827 21:07:06< eleazar> another, probably unrelated oddity i noticed today:
20100827 21:07:23< eleazar> _off^_usr works
20100827 21:07:36< eleazar> but _off* crashes wesnoth
20100827 21:08:01< eleazar> it complains about a terrain code that's more than 4 letters long
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20100827 21:13:31< alink> eleazar: boucman: ok that's probably my fault. I see incorrect @V in the frames after the first, I will look into this
20100827 21:13:42< boucman> thx
20100827 21:14:12< boucman> alink: while you're at it, could you add a log domain for terrain and display the missing/found files there ? it would be really handy for that sort of cases
20100827 21:14:21< boucman> (assuming you're in that genera area...)
20100827 21:14:54< alink> yeah ok I will do that too, since I just used output there
20100827 21:18:11< alink> boucman: BORDER_COMPLETE_LFB implicitly used random but didn't have RANDOM in its name, normal ?
20100827 21:18:28< boucman> yes
20100827 21:19:00< boucman> the _COMPLETE_ family is a shorthand for "you're an artist that don't want to dig into macro ? just use it and it'll do everything you want"
20100827 21:23:02< alink> ok I see the bug, I only replaced the first @V, but there are several in a animation image key. Should be easy to fix
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20100827 21:29:41< zookeeper> Gambit, nope, can't find any way to do it
20100827 21:29:45 * zookeeper is annoyed
20100827 21:30:26< zookeeper> i guess i'll use something like an ugly magenta square in the middle of the hex for now...
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20100827 21:34:15< Gambit> zookeeper: image="terrain/mask.png~RC(000000>red)"
20100827 21:34:22< Gambit> Works, but it's blinding.
20100827 21:35:30< zookeeper> wait, RC can actually take the palette as-is, not just a name?
20100827 21:36:42< Gambit> Yep. I used that once to let players recolor full-magenta baby drakes to any hex color they wanted.
20100827 21:37:02< zookeeper> argh. i wish the wiki would have mentioned that...
20100827 21:37:11< Gambit> And to make randomly colored wild baby drakes.
20100827 21:37:49< zookeeper> any idea if ~PAL can do it too?
20100827 21:38:12< gabba> billynux: I'm getting a ton of network-related link errors: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/04Rz2wat
20100827 21:38:13< Gambit> Dunno
20100827 21:38:39< zookeeper> ok, i'll experiment a bit
20100827 21:38:42< zookeeper> thanks for the tip
20100827 21:38:48< Gambit> image="terrain/mask.png~RC(000000>$stored_side.colour)~CS(-70,-70,-70)" <==== looks nicer than what I said earlier
20100827 21:39:13< Gambit> I would do ~O(70%) too.
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20100827 21:40:04< Gambit> So they can see the terrain underneath.
20100827 21:40:16< gabba> mordante: wild guess, but could that^ be related to your removing the stats upload code, maybe you broke some include chain?
20100827 21:42:09< alink> zookeeper: your problem is that ~TC is applied first ?
20100827 21:42:37< Gambit> He was trying to shift to magenta before ~TC()'ing.
20100827 21:42:44< Gambit> And yeah TC was going first.
20100827 21:42:47< alink> zookeeper: because I suspect that a trick ~BLIT may avoid that
20100827 21:43:50< zookeeper> alink, hmm, i didn't think of that
20100827 21:44:04< eleazar> alink: please ping me when you upload that animation fix
20100827 21:44:11< zookeeper> anyway, i'm pretty close now thanks to gambit's trick, i'll see if i'll keep using that or try ~BLIT...
20100827 21:44:18< alink> but maybe not, I must try to write it. At least the parenthesis of ~BLIT() open possibilities 
20100827 21:45:12< alink> eleazar: ok , I am working on it, it's more rewrite (and test) that I expected, but I will ping you
20100827 21:45:17< zookeeper> oh, it's not implemented yet, or just not documented?
20100827 21:45:47< alink> oh I didn't documented :-/ ?
20100827 21:45:55< eleazar> alink: thanks
20100827 21:46:04< zookeeper> alink, so it seems
20100827 21:46:27< alink> zookeeper: ok will do that too
20100827 21:48:16< mordante> gabba, seems like a very wild guess, but you can try to revert my commit locally
20100827 21:48:43< gabba> mordante: bad guess, I think it's rather a problem with the cmake build script
20100827 21:49:01< gabba> since missing includes would fail before linking
20100827 21:50:11< mordante> gabba, oh wait it might be I removed some files for linking
20100827 21:50:20< mordante> maybe do a full rebuild
20100827 21:50:26< gabba> I'm currently compiling with ANA network off apparently, hadn't seen that link option
20100827 21:50:35< billynux> hi folks, gabba
20100827 21:50:36< billynux> I'm back
20100827 21:50:46< gabba> hi billynux
20100827 21:50:47< billynux> gabba, ANA should be on by defaul
20100827 21:51:04< billynux> did you make cmake -DUSE_ANA_NETWORK=OFF ? :)
20100827 21:51:12< gabba> ah - it didn't turn itself on for me at least
20100827 21:51:20< billynux> weird
20100827 21:51:24< mordante> gabba, not sure I tested with ANA off, the commit lingered for a while 
20100827 21:52:24< gabba> ok, I'm testing with ANA on - billynux, mordante, you can see above the link errors I get with ANA off. Didn't try a full rebuild yet though.
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20100827 21:53:43< gabba> billynux, mordante: ok, with ANA on it builds fine
20100827 21:53:52< billynux> good
20100827 21:54:09< mordante> gabba, ok
20100827 21:54:21< mordante> billynux, how far are we from only using ANA?
20100827 21:54:38< billynux> mordante, well, I say we're pretty much there
20100827 21:54:58< mordante> billynux, would it be an idea to remove the switch?
20100827 21:55:07< billynux> nobody has spotted an ANA related bug yet :) only ANA-implementation related :)
20100827 21:55:28< mordante> ok
20100827 21:55:30< billynux> mordante, I wouldn't really have an opinion on that
20100827 21:55:49< billynux> I don't know if the previous implementation had any serious bugs
20100827 21:55:57< billynux> it was, I believe, pretty hard to mantain/modify
20100827 21:56:48< billynux> the only bug that I know of with my ANA-implementation (i.e. the implementation of the network.hpp API using ANA) is the fact that connecting with the waiter doesn't work as it should
20100827 21:56:49< mordante> well I like to remove the old implementation as soon as possible, in order to make sure everybody tests ANA
20100827 21:57:19< billynux> also... I would need to add a few statistics-related features to ANA to properly implement the /query calls
20100827 21:57:26< billynux> (so that's a bug as well)
20100827 21:57:26< mordante> ok
20100827 21:57:50< billynux> should I add those 2 to the bug tracker?
20100827 21:58:37< mordante> better do so in order not to forget about them
20100827 21:59:24< billynux> ok
20100827 22:01:57< alink> zookeeper: documented, but sorry I now fear that ~BLIT will not help for your problem, since ~TC is also done before ~BLIT. ~TC inside ~BLIT may be done later but not on the main image
20100827 22:02:13< alink> * but are not applied on the main image
20100827 22:02:50< alink> btw I will remove the restriction about positive x,y for ~BLIT
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20100827 22:14:47< billynux> mordante, there: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?16551
20100827 22:15:32< loonycyborg> mordante: I have no idea how removing old implementation will make sure everybody tests ANA. IMO making it the default is already more than enough.
20100827 22:15:35< billynux> someone please set priority/severity
20100827 22:15:59< billynux> I agree with loonycyborg on that, everybody is/should-be using ANA ATM
20100827 22:16:31< loonycyborg> I'd say it's wise to keep old implementation longer in case there are some issues on less used platforms.
20100827 22:16:57< loonycyborg> Maybe even for entire next stable release.
20100827 22:17:33< billynux> no faith in me loonycyborg? :)
20100827 22:17:37< mordante> billynux, ok
20100827 22:18:01< loonycyborg> billynux: I have no faith in said less used platforms :P
20100827 22:18:03< mordante> loonycyborg, to make sure people don't silently disable it and then complain after the old version is removed
20100827 22:18:47< mordante> and that's exactly what I fear, a problem on some platform, ANA gets disabled there and it's not reported to us
20100827 22:19:01< mordante> so at some point we remove the old code and then hear about the breakage
20100827 22:19:49< billynux> mordante, how would the ANA flag get disabled (on another platform or not)
20100827 22:19:52< billynux> ?
20100827 22:20:24< loonycyborg> Why would they *silently* disable it? I think they're sane enough to figure that it'll be removed soon and they need to report it in order to avoid imminent breakage with next stable release series.
20100827 22:21:23< mordante> sorry but I lost faith in the sanity of humanity
20100827 22:22:08< billynux> ah... I'm guessing you have been reading YouTube comments :)
20100827 22:22:18< zookeeper> alink, ok, i see. btw blit is a really nice function :)
20100827 22:22:23< mordante> billynux, no experience
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20100827 22:24:34< billynux> Soliton, were you the one testing with /query status, /query netstats, etc... ?
20100827 22:25:43< alink> zookeeper: yes, it may have potential. Taking a second image as parameter introduce a new complexity, but this is what allow new things
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20100827 22:26:31 * alink still has plans to write a Turing machine using only images and images-paths functions <:o)
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20100827 22:28:26< zookeeper> alink, maybe create an IPF which can accepts image filters written in lua? :P
20100827 22:29:43< billynux> There, I closed/fixed bug #16523 and opened bug #16553, which are slightly different (wrong data instead of crashing)
20100827 22:35:12< CIA-35> mordante * r46029 /trunk/ (CMakeLists.txt changelog configure.ac): 
20100827 22:35:12< CIA-35> Set the compiler mode to c++98.
20100827 22:35:12< CIA-35> It was ansi, which will change to c++0x at some point in the future. In
20100827 22:35:12< CIA-35> order to activate that as default by accident force the c++98 mode.
20100827 22:35:16< CIA-35> mordante * r46030 /trunk/src/ana/test/sdl_server.cpp: 
20100827 22:35:16< CIA-35> Remove a variable which is only assigned.
20100827 22:35:16< CIA-35> Issue found by cppcheck.
20100827 22:35:19< CIA-35> mordante * r46031 /trunk/src/ai/testing/ca_testing_move_to_targets.cpp: 
20100827 22:35:20< CIA-35> Remove a variable which is only assigned.
20100827 22:35:20< CIA-35> Issue found by cppcheck.
20100827 22:35:25< CIA-35> mordante * r46032 /trunk/src/addon/manager.cpp: Fix a self assignment warning of cppcheck.
20100827 22:35:28< CIA-35> mordante * r46033 /trunk/src/ (game_display.cpp game_display.hpp): 
20100827 22:35:28< CIA-35> Pass parameter by const ref instead of const value.
20100827 22:35:28< CIA-35> Issue found by cppcheck.
20100827 22:35:29< CIA-35> mordante * r46034 /trunk/src/play_controller.cpp: Strip trailing whitespace.
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20100827 22:38:14< timotei> hi
20100827 22:38:25< timotei> Ivanovic: I've seen your message :)
20100827 22:38:36< timotei> Ivanovic: thanks for reminding
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20100827 22:39:38< billynux> hi timotei 
20100827 22:39:41< timotei> hi billynux 
20100827 22:40:13< billynux> timotei, gabba, Upthorn : code submission time starts on the 30th right?
20100827 22:40:33< timotei> billynux: yep
20100827 22:40:44< timotei> Ivanovic: can't I do it now?:)
20100827 22:41:07< gabba> billynux: heh, I was forgetting about that, thanks for the reminder
20100827 22:42:12< billynux> gabba, that was the purpose of the question, to ascertain if I had the right info and remind all of you :)
20100827 22:42:49< timotei> Crab_: you think it's a problem if I upload the code now?:)
20100827 22:43:03< Crab_> timotei: if the system allows you, it
20100827 22:43:06< Crab_> is ok
20100827 22:43:11< timotei> yes it does
20100827 22:43:24< Crab_> the code upload is a small and not important part of the project
20100827 22:43:33< timotei> billynux, gabba , Upthorn : http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2010-wesnoth/downloads/entry - direct link for uploading
20100827 22:43:39< Crab_> it's just one of the little things google requires
20100827 22:46:18< gabba> thanks timotei for the link. I guess I'm gonna wait for the 30 since they don't seem to want us to upload before that.
20100827 22:47:50< billynux> timotei, hm... great, but I should I do this now or after the 30th? (this I never understoo)
20100827 22:48:09< timotei> I don't think it matters
20100827 22:48:30< CIA-35> alink * r46035 /trunk/src/builder.cpp: 
20100827 22:48:30< CIA-35> Fixing variation only applied on the first frame of animated terrains
20100827 22:48:30< CIA-35> (this should animate water transitions)
20100827 22:48:39< alink> eleazar: done ^
20100827 22:48:54< timotei> billynux, gabba, Upthorn: Also, the submission 'guidelines'/tutorial, in case you don't want to check through all emails on gsoc ml: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-list/web/code-submission-guidelines-2010?pli=1
20100827 22:49:35< billynux> I never want to check the gsoc ml. Most emails there carry less insight than YouTube comments :(
20100827 22:50:14< timotei> :P
20100827 22:50:37< alink> eleazar: boucman :the bad news is that my other single-hex optimization of animated water was only for water tiles. Now coast terrains hurts again framerate (even when there is no visible animation). 
20100827 22:51:07< boucman> alink: no big deal.... we try things, sometime they even work...
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20100827 22:52:31< alink> boucman: yes but I was very happy about that optimization (several times more efficient without any visual difference). I will try to adapt it to water transitions
20100827 22:53:19< boucman> alink: in what way was it water specific ?
20100827 22:55:00< alink> none except, that i was about the animation of the main hex of a terrain which make sure that it was in a single hex 
20100827 22:55:13< alink> but that was purely macro stuff, so you can control it
20100827 22:55:55< timotei> Ok. I'm out
20100827 22:55:56< timotei> good nigh
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20100827 22:58:10< alink> boucman: seems to be the same thing, but much more macros to adapt, which make me want to wait that I fix that on the c++ side instead of providing single_hex version of so many macros
20100827 22:58:52< boucman> alink: k, i'm waiting for your go anyway... if eleazar can live with transitions not being animated, all's fine
20100827 22:59:42< alink> well they are animated now (in case I was not clear)
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20100827 23:02:38< Sapient> where is Rhonda / wesbot ?
20100827 23:04:15< mordante> I'm off night
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20100827 23:04:45< boucman> k
20100827 23:05:32< billynux> off I am too, see ya;'
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20100827 23:06:08< Ivanovic> timotei: should be possible to already upload it now
20100827 23:06:18< Ivanovic> since the place does exist and you got permissions there
20100827 23:06:53< gabba> Ivanovic: ok, I won't be able to solve the whiteboard infinite attack bug for this weekend, I have to leave soon
20100827 23:07:15< Ivanovic> gabba: please write a bug report about this, set it to blocker and assign it to yourself
20100827 23:07:18< alink> eleazar: don't forget to revert the flashy anims ;)
20100827 23:07:22< Ivanovic> include in it when you plan to work on it
20100827 23:07:29< Ivanovic> (that is: if there is no report for this yet)
20100827 23:07:35< Ivanovic> just so that i don't miss it
20100827 23:07:44< gabba> Ivanovic: fine, I'll do that
20100827 23:08:52< loonycyborg> Sapient: They're MIA
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20100827 23:15:22< alink> yeah I lost some fps, not sure how much I can get back just by using terrain macros trick
20100827 23:16:53< Sapient> zookeeper: when I wrote the feature, you could include a comma seperated list of hex RGB in the IPF itself to define a color palette
20100827 23:17:03< alink> mmh, starting to write big new complex c++ code or copy paste a lot of painful WML macros? hard decision :-/
20100827 23:17:38< Sapient> e.g. ~TC(1,AAAAAA,BBBBBB,CCCCCC)
20100827 23:18:04< Sapient> however, I wouldn't be surprised if the feature was broken at some point
20100827 23:18:24< Sapient> little things like that tend to get broken accidentally
20100827 23:19:03< Sapient> or intentionally
20100827 23:20:15< Sapient> I used it to recolor the whole flesh golem in Royal Rumble LavaVillage, before there was an ability to define custom color palettes at run time
20100827 23:20:15< zookeeper> Sapient, well, i didn't try it with ~TC
20100827 23:24:52< Sapient> zookeeper: the reason this works is because I modified the code that looks up a color palette to (when it failed to lookup) attempt to create a color palette using the name itself as input
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20100827 23:25:35< zookeeper> Sapient, it's a useful feature but unfortunately the wiki said nothing about it ;)
20100827 23:25:59< Sapient> yeah, it's only for arch wizards
20100827 23:26:02< Sapient> ;)
20100827 23:27:41< zookeeper> the last time i checked, i was your advancement!
20100827 23:28:56< Gambit> I found it completely on accident :\
20100827 23:29:53< Sapient> you are now a part of the secret society of WML Wizards then ;)
20100827 23:30:36< Gambit> I had a [text_input] that would supply the second argument in ~RC(). I was like "hey what happens if I don't put a named color in there?"
20100827 23:31:14< Gambit> Also... awesome :D
20100827 23:32:02< boucman> night all
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20100827 23:32:20< Sapient> it also accepts this format: 255,255,255
20100827 23:32:51< Sapient> or for multiple colors: 0,0,0,1,1,1,2,2,2 etc
20100827 23:33:12< Sapient> hmm, no actually I think you have to zerofill to 3 chars
20100827 23:33:35< Sapient> can't remember
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20100827 23:46:11< Sapient> so ~TC(1,0,0,0) would color black to red
20100827 23:48:38< Sapient> it probably never got documented because it's not a very clean-looking syntax and I didn't want to make the wiki more confusing than necessary; you'd be better off defining a color palette
20100827 23:49:11< Sapient> or at least, your code would be more readable that way
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