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20100803 00:02:07< Gambit> I'm afraid my internet is going to go out again :\
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20100803 00:22:30< Valkier> Woo! Stalrag is gonna be sporting some nipples!
20100803 00:31:20< shadowmaster> I have clicked on a bunch of Google ads recently and they all result in HTTP 410s
20100803 00:31:55< shadowmaster> so now that I want to help funding websites, the ads don't work.
20100803 00:32:02< shadowmaster> :P
20100803 00:34:02< Valkier> They saw you coming.
20100803 00:59:02< Gambit> I decided that if I've not changed my mind by the 21st I will reinstall windows fresh (freeing up as much harddrive space as possible) and then install ubuntu the right way.
20100803 00:59:29< Gambit> I'll give it ~200gb of my 500gb harddrive
20100803 00:59:45< Gambit> If I need more space I can just use my 500gb external for documents and what not
20100803 01:01:44< Gambit> So... yeah. Commitment.
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20100803 01:11:37< Gambit> I owe a lot to this game.
20100803 01:11:46< Gambit> Before I didn't even know the phrase "open source".
20100803 01:11:51< Gambit> I equated linux to DOS
20100803 01:12:30< Gambit> I was perfectly content learning VB.
20100803 01:13:21< Gambit> And WML taught me basic computer programming logic.
20100803 01:14:35< Gambit> Learned that not all gaming communities are cesspools.
20100803 01:14:44< Gambit> And the sins of graphical signatures and animated avatars.
20100803 01:15:44< Gambit> Though it's a little sad that I can now count "downloading wesnoth" among the top 5 most life changing events I've had...
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20100803 02:48:59< shadowmaster> boo, no replies to my Mesa bug report yet.
20100803 02:50:05< Espreon> Yeah...
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20100803 03:19:16< Gambit> Rofl. I just called my mom out on one of her rediculous double standards. She started to say something and then realized how stupid whatever it was would sound and that there is no logical rebuttal and I got the one-size-kills-all "Just shutup and go to your room." response
20100803 03:19:26< Gambit> shadowmaster: is there a trope for a phrase that can defy all logic?
20100803 03:35:34< shadowmaster> x-trI get that all the time, except the response is osmething to the effect of "ahtever".
20100803 03:35:45< shadowmaster> ...whatever.
20100803 03:35:59< shadowmaster> and then she starts pretending she agrees with me. I hate that.
20100803 03:37:30< shadowmaster> this trope is somewhat related http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChewbaccaDefense
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20100803 03:41:18< shadowmaster> stupid USB modem that disconnects whenever I shake the laptop a little too much
20100803 03:43:41< Gambit> shadowmaster: your laptop lacks expansion slots
20100803 03:43:49< Gambit> also wrong channel
20100803 03:43:50< Gambit> [21:41:05] <Gambit> That trope seems rather similar to the hitler card.
20100803 03:44:17< shadowmaster> Gambit: my laptop has a expansion slot.
20100803 03:44:32< Valkier> Espreon: Shall we dance?
20100803 03:44:32< shadowmaster> it's not my fault that the ISP prefers USB modems.
20100803 03:44:44< Espreon> Valkier: I'm busy smiting people.
20100803 03:44:57< Valkier> You never have time for me or the kids anymore!
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20100803 03:47:38< Gambit> shadowmaster: oh.
20100803 03:47:41< Gambit> That's disgusting.
20100803 03:50:06< Espreon> Valkier: I'm sorry, but Mr. Müller's being difficult right now.
20100803 03:51:20< Gambit> slanderous lies
20100803 03:52:36< Espreon> No.
20100803 03:52:47< Valkier> shadowmaster: I love you.
20100803 03:52:58< Valkier> And my IRC client is terrible.
20100803 03:53:27< Valkier> I have no idea what name came after Mr. But it was an M, an A with a squigly, and a 1/4th symbol.
20100803 03:54:57< Espreon> Valkier: It was u-umlaut.
20100803 03:55:06< Espreon> Get a client that supports UTF-8.
20100803 03:55:08< Espreon> ... nao.
20100803 03:55:16< Valkier> Have one in mind?
20100803 03:55:18< Valkier> Cause I will.
20100803 03:55:41< Espreon> Meh, IDK. Chatzilla?
20100803 03:55:43< Valkier> I'm using one called IceChat, and it's damn terrible.
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20100803 03:59:55< Valkier> Espreon: All right. Try typing that one again.
20100803 04:00:04< Valkier> I want to see if this thing works.
20100803 04:00:10< shadowmaster> ü ä ë ï ö
20100803 04:00:19< shadowmaster> áéíóú
20100803 04:00:22< Valkier> Hurray!
20100803 04:00:22< Espreon> æ œ þ ð
20100803 04:00:29< Valkier> All appears safe.
20100803 04:00:43< Valkier> shadowmaster: That is unKISS anyhow?
20100803 04:01:47< shadowmaster> no, it isn't.
20100803 04:01:54< shadowmaster> wait, you mean "What"?
20100803 04:02:06< Gambit> Your face is unKISS
20100803 04:02:10< Gambit> —ed
20100803 04:02:38< shadowmaster> Gambit: not funny.
20100803 04:02:58< Valkier> Yeah, I meant what.
20100803 04:03:08< Valkier> Gambit: Your mom disagrees.
20100803 04:03:11< Valkier> What now?
20100803 04:03:21< shadowmaster> the opposite of KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid), which is the design philosophy embraced by Wesnoth.
20100803 04:03:36< Valkier> ahh
20100803 04:04:02< shadowmaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle
20100803 04:04:13< shadowmaster> I have also referred to "unKISS" design in the past as KISSMA
20100803 04:04:23< shadowmaster> shikadibot: KISSMA?
20100803 04:04:23<+shikadibot> KISSMA: KISS, My Ass (an expression used by Shadow Master for ideas/content usually in Wesnoth's context that aim for complexity rather than simplicity)
20100803 04:06:19< Valkier> Ahh
20100803 04:06:25< Valkier> Well poof!
20100803 04:06:53< Gambit> And now he knows
20100803 04:06:54<+shikadibot> And knowing is half the battle!
20100803 04:07:09< shadowmaster> Gambit: I saw you were abusing that trigger the other day.
20100803 04:07:22< Gambit> Testing
20100803 04:07:27< Gambit> *testing* that trigger the other day
20100803 04:09:28< shadowmaster> http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2010/07/%23wesnoth-umc-dev.2010-07-31.log  ?
20100803 04:09:43< shadowmaster> you already knew the trigger worked from when I implemented it
20100803 04:09:48< Valkier> So should I give the big bad NR orc shiny armor, or angry used armor?
20100803 04:11:18< Gambit> shadowmaster: But Aethaeryn didn't.
20100803 04:11:26< Gambit> But now he knows!
20100803 04:11:27<+shikadibot> And knowing is half the battle!
20100803 04:11:37< Gambit> shadowmaster: Also I didn't know the exact syntax
20100803 04:11:41< Gambit> But now I... do.
20100803 04:12:20< shadowmaster> Gambit: you could've just checked the source
20100803 04:12:35< shadowmaster> more like, you don't need to know the exact regex patterns :P
20100803 04:12:41< Gambit> shadowmaster: I lost the link and it's not on the page about her
20100803 04:12:53< shadowmaster> unless it's for abusing the poor bot
20100803 04:12:57< shadowmaster> Gambit: 
20100803 04:13:06< shadowmaster> wesbot: file /branches/irc-bots/shikadibot/shikadibot.pl
20100803 04:13:11< shadowmaster> oops
20100803 04:13:15< shadowmaster> shikadibot: file /branches/irc-bots/shikadibot/shikadibot.pl
20100803 04:13:15<+shikadibot> Web interface URL to file /branches/irc-bots/shikadibot/shikadibot.pl: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/branches/irc-bots/shikadibot/shikadibot.pl?view=markup
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20100803 05:19:53< shadowmaster> So...
20100803 05:20:14< shadowmaster> I'm going to write some sort of reviews of all those mainline campaigns I have played.
20100803 05:20:17< shadowmaster> review.
20100803 05:20:37< shadowmaster> in order of of preference.
20100803 05:20:46< shadowmaster> Espreon: what do you think?
20100803 05:20:55< Espreon> I think it's a good idea.
20100803 05:21:31< shadowmaster> why you never disagree with me on anything other than language issues ? :(
20100803 05:21:57< shadowmaster> yeah, I know: "because language is serious shit!"
20100803 05:22:41< Valkier> shadowmaster: Where would NR be?
20100803 05:23:17< shadowmaster> at the deep end.
20100803 05:23:26< shadowmaster> more like first place since the last item in the list would be my favorite campaign of all
20100803 05:23:45< shadowmaster> I got it wrong.
20100803 05:23:59< shadowmaster> I mean, NR would be at the bottom "bad" end of the list
20100803 05:24:04< shadowmaster> my favorite campaign would be at the top "good" end of the list
20100803 05:24:15< shadowmaster> and no, I'm not going to reveal my favorite campaign. It's a surprise.
20100803 05:25:14< Espreon> shadowmaster: Well, honestly, I think it would be good. 'Twill provide some eyes for teh devs.
20100803 05:26:44< Valkier> shadowmaster: Why do you want to piss in my cornflakes? :'(
20100803 05:27:12< shadowmaster> hehe
20100803 05:29:16< Espreon> Valkier: Who wouldn't want to do that?
20100803 05:30:32< Valkier> Nobody. Exactly why I *should* leave Wesnoth after I finish my commission.
20100803 05:31:08< Espreon> Awwww, no...
20100803 05:31:19< Espreon> At least hang around...
20100803 05:31:36< Espreon> Valkier, we'd miss you...
20100803 05:31:40< Valkier> mmhmm
20100803 05:33:10< Espreon> Seriously.
20100803 05:33:19< Valkier> I'm constantly either being told I'm useless people wait a week after I've started something to tell me I did it wrong.
20100803 05:33:31< Valkier> told I'm useless or*
20100803 05:34:19< Espreon> Sigh...
20100803 05:34:37< shadowmaster> we'll miss Valkier's immature comments all over the place.
20100803 05:34:45< shadowmaster> D:
20100803 05:34:59< Valkier> See? Lots of reasons for me to stick around. /sarcasm
20100803 05:35:18< shadowmaster> come on, you just need a healthy dose of Character Development.
20100803 05:35:35< shadowmaster> People, we have...a- *looks at Espreon*
20100803 05:36:30< Valkier> A trope?
20100803 05:37:08< shadowmaster> Espreon: Valkier did it, not me.
20100803 05:37:23< Valkier> In any case, no I'm not actually disappearing forever.
20100803 05:37:30< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CharacterDevelopment
20100803 05:37:34< Valkier> esr wants me to do the portraits for his drake campaign.
20100803 05:39:32< Espreon> shadowmaster: Oh God.... now other people are doing it.
20100803 05:40:10< Espreon> Valkier: See? A semi-famous person sees talent in you and does not think that you are useless.
20100803 05:40:19< Espreon> Is Jetrel semi-famous? I think not.
20100803 05:40:44< shadowmaster> Valkier: you've got talent, but you need to work on your Character Development ;)
20100803 05:40:51< shadowmaster> wait, this isn't an RPG.
20100803 05:40:59< Valkier> It's not?
20100803 05:41:00< shadowmaster> Espreon: he might soon be thanks to Frogatto.
20100803 05:41:18< Valkier> But when I woke up this morning I yelled "DING!" and proceeded to up my stat points.
20100803 05:41:40< Valkier> And by stat points I mean take a lot of pills, drink some alcohol, and beat the shit out of a random woman telling her she was the worst wife ever.
20100803 05:42:28< Valkier> The only problem I have with Jetrel is he seems to have this impression I consider myself Gods gift to art.
20100803 05:42:28< Espreon> shadowmaster: Oh please...
20100803 05:42:43< Espreon> Do I know the names of Nintendo devs? No.
20100803 05:42:51< Valkier> Meanwhile, what do I always say about my own work?
20100803 05:42:55< shadowmaster> Espreon: I know one!
20100803 05:43:11< shadowmaster> Shigeru Miyamoto
20100803 05:43:42< Espreon> Well, everyone knows about him!
20100803 05:44:13< Espreon> Hoshi no Kābi!
20100803 05:45:02< Espreon> Super Smash Bros.... yeahz...
20100803 05:45:56< Espreon> *ī
20100803 05:49:05< Valkier> I am God with Link.
20100803 05:49:08< Valkier> Just saying.
20100803 05:49:30< Espreon> In which game? The original, Melee, or Brawl?
20100803 05:49:47< Espreon> In the original, I could probably own you with Jigglypuff. She's that awesome.
20100803 05:52:04< Espreon> Bah, I wish Jigglypuff were still good in Brawl...
20100803 05:52:14< Espreon> Nowadays, I just use whatever.
20100803 05:52:43< Espreon> I'll either use: Falco, King Dedede, Pit, Fox, and Wolf.
20100803 05:53:03< Espreon> Well, and Meta Knigt of course, but, everyone's pro with Meta Knight.
20100803 05:53:11< Espreon> Just spam B and use C stick.
20100803 05:53:39< Espreon> *and Meta Knight
20100803 05:55:20< Espreon> *or Wolf
20100803 05:55:28< Espreon> Bah, what's wrong with me tonight?
20100803 05:55:46< Espreon> Perhaps smiting people has exhausted me.
20100803 06:01:21< Valkier> In the new one, I use Ike.
20100803 06:01:27< Valkier> Because Ike is the best.
20100803 06:01:56< Espreon> ...
20100803 06:01:59< Espreon> No.
20100803 06:02:11< Valkier> Yup
20100803 06:02:16< Valkier> Metaknight is easysauce
20100803 06:02:25< Espreon> Can Ike kill anyone by spamming B and hitting C stick? No.
20100803 06:02:26< Valkier> Dedede is D-d-dumb
20100803 06:02:35< Valkier> Ike can kill anyone in one move.
20100803 06:03:23< Espreon> Stop playing against the computer.
20100803 06:07:17< Espreon> Valkier: What's wrong with King Dedede? He throws babies for God's sake.
20100803 06:07:35< Valkier> Not off cliffs.
20100803 06:07:38< Valkier> Not often enough.
20100803 06:07:50< Espreon> Lies.
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20100803 06:41:38< shadowm_laptop> meh, I might need to install that multipage articles plugin for this review.
20100803 06:41:48< shadowm_laptop> I'll care about that after I finish writing it.
20100803 07:06:33< Valkier> shadowmaster: Man do you have that Fendrin guy worked up.
20100803 07:06:43< Valkier> What did you do?
20100803 07:06:45< Espreon> Sigh...
20100803 07:07:05< Espreon> Valkier: We did quite a lot.
20100803 07:07:13< Valkier> Ahh
20100803 07:07:45< Valkier> Well quit it. He's probably nice. :-P
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20100803 07:31:10< shadowmaster> I continue brainstorming sprite ideas.
20100803 07:31:16< shadowmaster> I need to draw them. :/
20100803 07:46:49< shadowmaster> Espreon: I'm starting to think that if I ever resume work on IftU and AtS I'll need to split many units into a separate Resource add-on
20100803 07:47:01< shadowmaster> with all these improvements Chaos might become difficult to maintain.
20100803 07:47:31< shadowmaster> and..shaxthals...I need....motivation.......argh!
20100803 07:47:57< shadowmaster> must...improve...art...skills...
20100803 07:48:39< Espreon> shadowmaster: Ugh, really?
20100803 07:49:25< Espreon> BTW, are you fine with the Sun Singer line now that I clarified it?
20100803 07:50:35< shadowmaster> yes
20100803 07:54:04< Espreon> shadowmaster: Why do you say that the Chaos units might become difficult to maintain?
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20100803 07:56:36< shadowmaster> dunno.
20100803 07:56:44< shadowmaster> we'll see how it goes
20100803 07:57:26< Espreon> OK.
20100803 07:57:43< Espreon> Well, I certainly have a lot to do tomorrow...
20100803 07:58:28< Espreon> I need to decide which alignment to use, update attack names, clean up, and create stuff for Zerovirus and kitty.
20100803 07:59:23< Espreon> shadowmaster: Also, what is to be done with the new schedule?
20100803 07:59:27< Espreon> So many decisions...
20100803 08:03:58 * shadowmaster looks elsewhere
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20100803 12:04:34< timotei> hey shadowmaster 
20100803 12:04:40< timotei> shadowmaster: did you try dropbox?:D
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20100803 13:38:16< Gambit> Bah. No. I refused to respond to the science trolling. He knows that charges charges are exchanged in a redox reaction, so that's obviously what I was referring to. He's basically nitpicking on where I cut off my [quote] at...
20100803 13:38:46< timotei> what redox reactions?:D
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20100803 14:08:11< shadowmaster> timotei: not yet
20100803 14:08:20< timotei> :)
20100803 14:08:21< timotei> ok
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20100803 16:05:16< zookeeper> Espreon, so, uh, if you're the new UtBS maintainer then what plans do you have?
20100803 16:24:02< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~/src/wesnoth-1.8$ acpitool -B
20100803 16:24:03< shadowmaster>   Battery #1     : present
20100803 16:24:03< shadowmaster>     Remaining capacity : 1888 mAh, 83.10%
20100803 16:24:20< shadowmaster> I'm not sure what to think. http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/90-Battering-power-sources,-part-II.html
20100803 16:24:39< shadowmaster> maybe it's like the last breath of the battery before dying completely.
20100803 16:25:42< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~/src$ ./update-stuff.sh 
20100803 16:25:42< shadowmaster> anongit.freedesktop.org[0: 131.252.210.176]: errno=Connection refused
20100803 16:25:46< shadowmaster> damn it, uni.
20100803 16:26:08< timotei> what you used there?
20100803 16:26:38< esr> Hello all. I'm about to sign off; availability will be spotty until Sunday, as I'll be at World Boardgaming Championships
20100803 16:27:08< shadowmaster> esr: have fun I guess.
20100803 16:27:20< esr> I'm sure I will.
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20100803 16:31:01< Gambit> So at 10ish the internet gets really slow and then dies a little while later.
20100803 16:31:08< Gambit> All the lights are correct on the router.
20100803 16:31:20< Gambit> But when I get up in the morning the internet light is red.
20100803 16:31:21< shadowmaster> KMS BLINKING
20100803 16:31:24< Gambit> Power cycling fixes.
20100803 16:31:26< shadowmaster> GAAA.
20100803 16:31:31< Gambit> I'm so confused.
20100803 16:32:29< timotei> shadowmaster: you monitor?
20100803 16:32:41< shadowmaster> no, me shadowmaster
20100803 16:32:54< timotei> oh
20100803 16:32:56< shadowmaster> it's just some kernel bug. Probably. Maybe. I hope.
20100803 16:32:56< timotei> s/you/your :P
20100803 16:33:05< timotei> that's why I don't use KMS:(
20100803 16:33:14< shadowmaster> I'm deliberately testing it
20100803 16:33:20< shadowmaster> so I can report as many bugs as I can.
20100803 16:33:30< timotei> oh
20100803 16:33:36< timotei> what if it breaks your video card?
20100803 16:33:40< shadowmaster> so basically, I'm in this for the sake of development progress.
20100803 16:33:43< shadowmaster> timotei: oh, that.
20100803 16:33:48< shadowmaster> it's a risk.
20100803 16:34:07< timotei> ...
20100803 16:34:07< shadowmaster> you could say that it's also a risk to compile wesnoth here due to the CPU's tendency to overheat.
20100803 16:34:14< timotei> :))
20100803 16:34:21< timotei> well, not really that :P
20100803 16:34:32< shadowmaster> or that it's a risk to type on this keyboard since it's full of garbage beneath the keys
20100803 16:34:42< shadowmaster> or...yeah.
20100803 16:35:15< Gambit> Internet outages should not follow a pattern unless the ISP is screwing with us.
20100803 16:35:24< Gambit> If it happens tonight they're getting a nasty phone call tomorow morning.
20100803 16:36:16< Gambit> And, having been on the other end of that phone, I know just how to make them squirm until they pass me to the super. >:[
20100803 16:37:21< Gambit> I'll have to sound like an idiot to do it (accuse them of trying to steal our precious files or something), but it's worth it to get my darn stability back.
20100803 16:37:34< Gambit> shadowmaster: How do I go about getting one of those unnafiliated cloaks? Just ask in #freenode ?
20100803 16:37:40< shadowmaster> yes
20100803 16:37:48< shadowmaster> unaffiliated, btw
20100803 16:37:54< Gambit> Yeah...
20100803 16:38:11< Gambit> shadowmaster: I have the bots on a seperate nickserv account, how do I go about getting a cloak for that one?
20100803 16:38:21< Gambit> Should I just merge first?
20100803 16:38:29< Gambit> Or is there some way to prove I own it?
20100803 16:38:36< shadowmaster> the bot account should be separate from your own account
20100803 16:38:49< shadowmaster> and yes, you can prove you own it. You should ask a freenode staffer about it.
20100803 16:39:03< Gambit> Okay cool. shadowmaster: thanks
20100803 16:39:08< timotei> hm, why there is no Chanserv on #wesnoth-dev?
20100803 16:39:14< timotei> and no ops?
20100803 16:39:16< Gambit> timotei: because it never empties
20100803 16:39:24< timotei> ha?
20100803 16:39:37< Gambit> never under normal conditions
20100803 16:39:47< timotei> explain please?:)
20100803 16:39:57< shadowmaster> it's encouraged by freenode to never use op powers unless necessary, etc.
20100803 16:40:08< Gambit> timotei: You know that in IRC if a channel goes empty it disappears right?
20100803 16:40:15< Gambit> timotei: /msg chanserv help set guard
20100803 16:40:23< shadowmaster> and chanserv's guard function isn't required around #wesnoth or #wesnoth-dev because those channels never become empty, so it's not necessary to prevent channel mode loss, etc.
20100803 16:40:30< shadowmaster> actually, it isn't required here anymore
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20100803 16:40:40< timotei> lol
20100803 16:40:40< timotei> :))
20100803 16:40:49< timotei> didn't know that
20100803 16:40:53< shadowmaster> wait
20100803 16:41:02< shadowmaster> its presence helps me determine at which side of a netsplit I am
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20100803 16:41:08-!- ServerMode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [+o ChanServ] by services.
20100803 16:41:25< timotei> shadowmaster: how?
20100803 16:42:20< Gambit> timotei: Are you being split out, or are the others?
20100803 16:42:31< timotei> meh... I knew that
20100803 16:42:36< timotei> but how does he determines :P
20100803 16:42:51< shadowmaster> I consider the good side of a netsplit to be the one on which services. is linked.
20100803 16:42:56< Gambit> It's kind of like "the enemy's gate is down"
20100803 16:43:03< Gambit> It gives you a reference point.
20100803 16:43:09< Gambit> If you see chanserv then you think the others are being split out
20100803 16:43:20< shadowmaster> if chanserv splits away it's because the section of the network closer to services. died or something.
20100803 16:43:39< shadowmaster> netsplits are netsplits nonetheless, I just prefer to keep the ability to do channel and nickname management
20100803 16:44:41< timotei> but if you get a netsplit
20100803 16:44:53< timotei> you won't have a chance to see if Chanserv is on/off
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20100803 16:45:49< Gambit> timotei: If you don't see Chanserv, then you consider yourself to have been cut away
20100803 16:45:57< timotei> ok
20100803 16:45:58< timotei> :D
20100803 16:46:25< shadowmaster> again, you can be split from the network along with services.
20100803 16:46:32< shadowmaster> a netsplit is a netsplit. That's it, people.
20100803 16:46:50< shadowmaster> but I just prefer to be on servers that can reach services.
20100803 16:46:52< shadowmaster> got it?
20100803 16:48:55< Gambit> :\ apparently YogiHH or f3ndrin should have set up the channels.
20100803 16:49:05< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, the group contact should've
20100803 16:49:08< shadowmaster> that is Ivanovic.
20100803 16:49:13< Gambit> Oh. Well he hates us :)
20100803 16:49:19< shadowmaster> no, he just doesn't care.
20100803 16:49:28< shadowmaster> as long as you serve as a noise sink.
20100803 16:49:43< shadowmaster> which doesn't make sense since he doesn't even care about the forums, which is the reason I became the new Powers That Be™.
20100803 16:49:58< Gambit> But what does this have to do with my getting of a cloak?
20100803 16:50:03< shadowmaster> nothing
20100803 16:50:11< timotei> ok
20100803 16:50:22< Gambit> Oh. So he just decided to nose around?
20100803 16:50:28< shadowmaster> yeah ;) LoRez is like that.
20100803 16:50:38< shadowmaster> it's not a mean-spirited habit, mind you.
20100803 16:51:01< shadowmaster> there are many people who setup primary namespace channels on freenode when they should use topical namespace channels instead
20100803 16:51:06< shadowmaster> or even go to another network.
20100803 16:54:31< shadowmaster> hm
20100803 16:54:58< shadowmaster> I forked Dorset 4 but I don't really know what design improvements to add besides the bottom "sidebar" to unclutter the blog view.
20100803 16:55:43< shadowmaster> things such as collapsible blocks would be cool, but I don't want javascript around.
20100803 16:56:34< shadowmaster> I don't want a completely fixed-width layout yet either, so the basic components are pretty much set in stone, including the graphics.
20100803 16:56:47< shadowmaster> even if the underlying CSS rules are ugly, ugh.
20100803 16:58:26< shadowmaster> I could fork Dorset 3.1 instead for the bottom bar stuff and improve a few usability aspects including adding new features such as next/previous article links.
20100803 16:59:37< Gambit> So I guess he's not going to help with the cloak thing then... :\
20100803 16:59:41< Gambit> Heh
20100803 16:59:48< Gambit> shadowmaster: What is Dorset?
20100803 16:59:55< shadowmaster> Gambit: he will help you.
20100803 17:00:00< shadowmaster> just ask about the bot cloak.
20100803 17:00:07< shadowmaster> also, your main account is already cloaked.
20100803 17:00:17< Gambit> Oh wow. I didn't even notice :o
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20100803 17:00:22< Gambit> Ninja
20100803 17:00:36< shadowmaster> yes, he rarely bothers to notify you since nickserv does it anyway
20100803 17:00:55< shadowmaster> (the Changing host quit isn't seen by the target in any case, but they receive a nickserv notice)
20100803 17:01:19< shadowmaster> Dorset is Dorset.
20100803 17:01:34< Gambit> For some reason quassel grays out nickserv in my query list
20100803 17:01:45< shadowmaster> no, not that Dorset.
20100803 17:01:50< shadowmaster> this Dorset: http://shadowm.rewound.net/personal.php#website-info
20100803 17:02:00< Gambit> It went through "freenode" I see. Which doesn't highlight me for some reason...
20100803 17:02:11< Gambit> s/highlight/notify/
20100803 17:03:04< Gambit> Yay now I don't have to update my netmask in a billion different places every night when the internet dies.
20100803 17:03:41< shadowmaster> just make sure your bot(s) identify to their account on connect.
20100803 17:03:59< Gambit> Yes
20100803 17:04:52< shadowmaster> I'm going to have a taste of biology.
20100803 17:04:55< shadowmaster> for the lulz.
20100803 17:05:11< timotei> shadowmaster: you know the mistery behind "changin host"?
20100803 17:05:15< timotei> when does it happen?
20100803 17:05:48< shadowmaster> timotei: whenever a server propagates a CHGHOST message for the target, overriding their hostname
20100803 17:05:57< timotei> oh
20100803 17:06:14< shadowmaster> that is often the case for cloaked account when people didn't identify prior to joining channels, or when they acquired a cloak while joined to channels by ther means.
20100803 17:06:18< shadowmaster> *accounts
20100803 17:06:26< shadowmaster> *other
20100803 17:06:47< shadowmaster> I know this after reading charybdis/ircd-seven's source code
20100803 17:07:12< shadowmaster> so yeah, that's real proof I'm an IRC junkie
20100803 17:07:20< shadowmaster> and proud of it
20100803 17:13:07< shadowmaster> see ya people
20100803 17:16:21< Gambit> Bye
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20100803 18:53:23< shadowmaster> next experiment: trying PC-BSD 8.1
20100803 18:53:46< shadowmaster> downloading gigantic ISO image at ~180-300 KB/second
20100803 18:54:27< shadowmaster> maybe I can finally get more familiarized with BSD distributions with this.
20100803 18:54:31< timotei> pc-bsd??
20100803 18:54:37< timotei> why not freebsd?:))
20100803 18:54:43< shadowmaster> because I didn't like it.
20100803 18:54:48< shadowmaster> too complicated to configure, etc.
20100803 18:55:01< timotei> do you mind trying mac?:)
20100803 18:55:08< shadowmaster> yes, if I had one.
20100803 18:55:33< shadowmaster> money, dear boy (we have a trope reference)
20100803 18:55:43< timotei> well, I wouldn't pay for a mac
20100803 18:55:53< shadowmaster> then you can't have a mac.
20100803 18:56:02< timotei> :(
20100803 18:56:03< shadowmaster> no money, no goods.
20100803 18:56:06< timotei> I don't want too :P
20100803 18:56:11< timotei> I'm fine with firefox mac theme:))
20100803 18:56:16< timotei> (and virtual machine :-")
20100803 18:56:25< shadowmaster> you stole Mac OS X.
20100803 18:56:29< shadowmaster> shame on you.
20100803 18:56:58< timotei> haha
20100803 18:57:03< shadowmaster>  1% [>                ] 63,677,370   237K/s  eta 3h 28m 
20100803 18:57:08< timotei> wow
20100803 18:57:11< shadowmaster> now if just the download rate stayed constant.
20100803 18:57:12< timotei> 63 gigas?
20100803 18:57:19< shadowmaster> no
20100803 18:57:20< timotei> I download with 1 mb
20100803 18:57:21< timotei> :P
20100803 18:57:29< shadowmaster> 63 MB is what's downloaded already
20100803 18:57:34< shadowmaster> out of 3.3 GB
20100803 18:57:50< timotei> oh
20100803 18:57:50< timotei> o
20100803 19:00:05< Gambit> timotei: shame on ye
20100803 19:00:16< timotei> ha-ha-ha
20100803 19:00:24< timotei> I'm using it for testin
20100803 19:00:27< timotei> I'm a develoepr!
20100803 19:00:34< timotei> so, good reason
20100803 19:00:34< shadowmaster> we don't steal stuff in this channel.
20100803 19:00:37< Gambit> [insert more pirate justifications here]
20100803 19:00:38< shadowmaster> for we adhere to freenode's policies
20100803 19:00:46< timotei> I don't steal:D
20100803 19:00:50< Gambit> I'm trying before I buy!
20100803 19:00:56< Gambit> I wouldn't buy it anyway so it's okay!
20100803 19:01:00< shadowmaster> stealing is bad people.
20100803 19:01:02< Gambit> They're evil so it's okay!
20100803 19:01:04< timotei> hmmm
20100803 19:01:14< shadowmaster> didn't certain biblical character say "thou shalt not steal?"
20100803 19:01:17< timotei> I'm using macos from a virtual machine that runs a ssh
20100803 19:01:22< timotei> shadowmaster: yeah, God
20100803 19:01:28< timotei> exodus 21
20100803 19:01:28< timotei> :P
20100803 19:01:44< timotei> actually exodus 20
20100803 19:01:49< shadowmaster> timotei: but Moses is the speaker.
20100803 19:01:55< timotei> I always swapped 21 with 20
20100803 19:02:04< timotei> shadowmaster: well, it may. but were God's words
20100803 19:02:06< Gambit> They made Wesnoth consider relicensing itself so it's okay!
20100803 19:02:14< Gambit> They have lots of money so it's okay!
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20100803 19:02:21< shadowmaster> I don't believe in this apathetic god you talk about.
20100803 19:02:26< Gambit> Piracy only makes a copy so it's okay!
20100803 19:02:32< shadowmaster> I worship the Power of Love.
20100803 19:02:39< timotei> shadowmaster: you don't belive.. what?
20100803 19:02:41< shadowmaster> :D
20100803 19:02:48< timotei> Power of Love is God himself
20100803 19:02:57< shadowmaster> I deny your logic.
20100803 19:02:58< timotei> actually God=love :_/
20100803 19:03:01< Gambit> atheism is a religion
20100803 19:03:04< timotei> no
20100803 19:03:07< timotei> there is no atheism
20100803 19:03:10< timotei> there is just
20100803 19:03:17 * timotei is searching for that term
20100803 19:03:19< shadowmaster> what happened to the vengeful God from the Old testament?
20100803 19:03:30< shadowmaster> is he a psycopath then?
20100803 19:03:32< Gambit> It is the belief that God does not exist without scientific evidence.
20100803 19:03:33< shadowmaster> *psychopath
20100803 19:03:35< shadowmaster> P
20100803 19:03:38< shadowmaster> I mean He.
20100803 19:03:49< shadowmaster> I also mean :p
20100803 19:03:57< shadowmaster> or :P
20100803 19:04:00< shadowmaster> timotei: agonisticism
20100803 19:04:00< timotei> right
20100803 19:04:02< timotei> agnostics
20100803 19:04:05< timotei> :))
20100803 19:04:12< timotei> damn, you were faster
20100803 19:04:21< shadowmaster> because I consider myself one.
20100803 19:04:32< timotei> well, the good thing is... you don't need science to belive in God
20100803 19:04:43< timotei> that's why 'doesn't exist without scientific evidence'
20100803 19:04:54< shadowmaster> you might also realize my beliefs change along the sea tides every day.
20100803 19:04:54< timotei> shadowmaster: I've asked that myself
20100803 19:05:08< timotei> shadowmaster: but I belive :D
20100803 19:05:09< Gambit> timotei: You took my quote backwards
20100803 19:05:11< timotei> I prefer being 'safe'
20100803 19:05:31< shadowmaster> I am safe.
20100803 19:05:33< shadowmaster> wait, I am not.
20100803 19:05:39< Gambit> You live in chile.
20100803 19:05:42< timotei> :P
20100803 19:05:42< shadowmaster> I whole house could've fallen down on me.
20100803 19:05:44< shadowmaster> *a
20100803 19:05:49< shadowmaster> but it didn't.
20100803 19:05:51< timotei> :(
20100803 19:05:52< shadowmaster> so I am safe!
20100803 19:05:53< timotei> :)
20100803 19:05:57< shadowmaster> (wait- logic???)
20100803 19:06:28< Gambit> [13:05:39] <shadowmaster> I whole house could've fallen down on me.
20100803 19:06:28< Gambit> [13:05:45] <shadowmaster> but it didn't.
20100803 19:06:28< Gambit> [13:05:47] <timotei> :(
20100803 19:06:35< timotei> no
20100803 19:06:44< timotei> I was saying ":(" about: I whole house could've fallen down on me.
20100803 19:06:46< Gambit> too late :P
20100803 19:06:56< timotei> I don't want to 'a whole house fall on shadowmaster'
20100803 19:07:19< Gambit> shadowmaster: Also this is related to what you were saying earlier about God: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1472-Dantes-Inferno
20100803 19:07:24< Gambit> Watch if after your download :@
20100803 19:07:51< shadowmaster> I am a house.
20100803 19:08:01< shadowmaster> Gambit: I would, but I AM IN A GODDAMN LIBRARY.
20100803 19:08:20< shadowmaster> since I'm on the university's network, there's lots of bandwidth to spare.
20100803 19:08:32< Gambit> shadowmaster: So... watch it nao?
20100803 19:08:34< shadowmaster> but that's not really the problem at hand.
20100803 19:08:40< shadowmaster> Gambit: LIBRARY.
20100803 19:08:43< timotei> :)
20100803 19:08:44< shadowmaster> do you understand? LIBRARY.
20100803 19:08:46< timotei> shadowmaster: 
20100803 19:08:49< timotei> just open it
20100803 19:08:51< timotei> to stream
20100803 19:08:52< timotei> ;)
20100803 19:08:54< Gambit> shadowmaster: So... headhones?
20100803 19:09:01< timotei> and then watch the cached at home
20100803 19:09:05< shadowmaster> Gambit: they are broken, thus I leave them at home.
20100803 19:09:07< shadowmaster> timotei: good idea.
20100803 19:09:14< shadowmaster> I might be able to steal the .flv from /tmp
20100803 19:09:55< timotei> no
20100803 19:09:58< timotei> Youtubedownloader
20100803 19:10:00< shadowmaster> well, MP4
20100803 19:10:06< shadowmaster> timotei: no, I don't need that
20100803 19:10:08< timotei> of firefox's 'media  downloader'
20100803 19:10:11< timotei> ok:D
20100803 19:10:16< timotei> wait
20100803 19:10:23< timotei> does flash caches files downloaded in /tmp?
20100803 19:10:34< timotei> brb going to pay some bills:(
20100803 19:10:34< Gambit> Anyway only the first minute applies.
20100803 19:10:38< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/tmp.png
20100803 19:10:48< shadowmaster> it's a MP4, but whatever.
20100803 19:11:10< shadowmaster> some flash video players create a temporary file to be able to rewind, etc. the stream
20100803 19:11:27< Gambit> shadowmaster: So you remote into home from the library?
20100803 19:11:28< shadowmaster> others (like blip's) just keep the big chunk of data in RAM.
20100803 19:11:32< shadowmaster> Gambit: no.
20100803 19:11:37< shadowmaster> Gambit: it's my laptop.
20100803 19:11:46< shadowmaster> I am.
20100803 19:11:47< Gambit> Oh that makes way more sense.
20100803 19:11:48< shadowmaster> on my laptop.
20100803 19:12:15< Gambit> I guess the PoS I'm currently using made me completely forget that there are decent laptops and that you own one.
20100803 19:12:26< shadowmaster> yep
20100803 19:12:34< shadowmaster> two, actually
20100803 19:12:39< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/88-Bluecore,-greycore-and-blackcore.html
20100803 19:14:05< shadowmaster> and they are mine and only mine.
20100803 19:14:09< shadowmaster> spyware free
20100803 19:14:22< Gambit> shadowmaster: How much does the machine on which your remote session is on cost?
20100803 19:14:40< Gambit> shadowmaster: And technically my PoS is spyware free when I'm running ubuntu :D
20100803 19:15:35< shadowmaster> Gambit: it's a virtual private server.
20100803 19:15:40< Gambit> They probably wonder why it's not been used in forever :)
20100803 19:16:04< shadowmaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server
20100803 19:16:06< Gambit> shadowmaster: Who from?
20100803 19:16:27< shadowmaster> AI0867 knows more because he's paying for it.
20100803 19:16:33< Gambit> Ha
20100803 19:16:50< shadowmaster> there's nothing funny there.
20100803 19:17:24< Gambit> Yes there is.
20100803 19:17:35< shadowmaster> then elaborate.
20100803 19:18:04< Gambit> I'm not sure what exactly.
20100803 19:18:09< shadowmaster> downloaded ~380 MB.
20100803 19:18:18< shadowmaster> I mean ~393 MB
20100803 19:18:24< shadowmaster> I mean ~396 MB
20100803 19:18:37< shadowmaster> I'll have to continue tomorrow since I have to go to class now.
20100803 19:18:39< Gambit> Fast
20100803 19:20:01< Gambit> AI0867: So what company do you rent it from?
20100803 19:20:16< AI0867> quickservers
20100803 19:20:18< shadowmaster> Gambit: what are you up to?
20100803 19:20:25< AI0867> dutch company with sane TOS
20100803 19:20:36< AI0867> sane TOS are surprisingly hard to find
20100803 19:20:47< Gambit> shadowmaster: Getting information for such a time when I have a job and my own place :)
20100803 19:21:28< AI0867> mostly because all lawyers seem to have some common standard contract forbidding everything that has ever been abused, and most people use that -_-'
20100803 19:22:36< shadowmaster> don't forget that IRC is the chat program haxx0rz use when they don't want to be overheard.
20100803 19:22:44< Gambit> hmmm $40 a month is less than my internet. Noice
20100803 19:22:50< Gambit> It's like shipping channels.
20100803 19:22:53< shadowmaster> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
20100803 19:23:22< shadowmaster> so naturally hosting providers will want to ban IRC.
20100803 19:24:24< timotei> shadowmaster: is that irrsi?
20100803 19:24:26< timotei> in tmp.png?
20100803 19:24:30< shadowmaster> timotei: yes
20100803 19:24:39< timotei> and what's the top blue line?:P
20100803 19:24:44< timotei> bookmarked backlog?
20100803 19:24:46< shadowmaster> topic
20100803 19:24:54< shadowmaster> the channel topic is there
20100803 19:25:20< timotei> oh
20100803 19:25:26< shadowmaster> 13:24:54 -!- Topic for #wesnoth-umc-dev: <Aethaeryn> Gambit: told you that shad0w only allows off topic if he's part of it | Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Project discussion and support channel | http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net | Staff: AI0867, Espreon, shadowmaster | Project @ SF.net: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev | IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org, http://irclogs.ai0867.net
20100803 19:25:31< shadowmaster> 13:24:54 -!- Topic set by shadowmaster [~ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] [Sun Aug  1 19:28:56 2010]
20100803 19:25:56< Gambit> Their dedicated server pricing is nice as well
20100803 19:26:37< Gambit> Except the latest ubuntu version is 7.04 :\
20100803 19:26:52< Gambit> I wonder if they let you upgrade that...
20100803 19:27:17< Gambit> AI0867: Thanks
20100803 19:27:28< shadowmaster> gtg
20100803 19:27:39< Gambit> See you
20100803 19:27:40< shadowmaster> cya at evening
20100803 19:28:41< AI0867> Gambit: I pay 10 euros a month for a root VPS
20100803 19:30:16< timotei> Gambit: PoS? define pls
20100803 19:37:11< AI0867> ;lk t lf sa
20100803 19:37:13< AI0867> er
20100803 19:37:18< AI0867> point of sale, I guess
20100803 19:37:30< AI0867> it's a horrible acronym
20100803 19:38:00< AI0867> the other option is "piece of shit"
20100803 19:38:18< AI0867> which might be more likely ;)
20100803 19:40:00< Gambit> AI0867: Yeah it's the last one :)
20100803 19:59:27< Gambit> My school officially sucks.
20100803 19:59:49< Gambit> Turns out it's not a good idea to put ubuntu on my brothers new desktop because his tech class teaches (AND I QUOTE!!)
20100803 19:59:55< Gambit> "the greatness of microsoft"
20100803 20:00:09< Gambit> I died a little inside.
20100803 20:01:07< Gambit> I also question the appropriateness of this class for kindergarteners.
20100803 20:01:56< AI0867> a little?
20100803 20:03:10< timotei> I miss C# delegates and lamba functions:(
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20100803 20:06:22< AI0867> C# isn't bad
20100803 20:06:39< AI0867> my group chose to use it for a project
20100803 20:07:04< AI0867> parts of it are certainly better than java
20100803 20:08:05< timotei> well, although I'm a MSP, I still consider sometimes C# being a enhanced mix of C++ and java
20100803 20:22:51< Gambit> Ugh. My school has apparently been spamming my inbox all summer.
20100803 20:23:00< Gambit> And now we arrive at the downside of cyberschooling...
20100803 20:33:20< Gambit> Also lol that my thread about their tracking cookies is still on the first page of the technical support forum a year later.
20100803 20:34:15< Gambit> I guess they think everyone that doesn't work for them is a computer illiterate.
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20100803 20:35:05< Gambit> "They'll never notice. And they certainly won't have anti virus software that alerts them to these things."
20100803 20:35:21< Gambit> "Because our ToS strictly forbids that."
20100803 20:35:41< Gambit> "Oh what's this? They're visiting our site on their personal computers? Computers with anti virus software!?"
20100803 20:35:51< Gambit> "They're not supposed to know how to use computers that aren't ours!!!"
20100803 20:36:37< Valkier> I came in late. What's this?
20100803 20:36:49< Gambit> Valkier: Oh I'm just mocking my school to empty air.
20100803 20:36:57< Valkier> oooh
20100803 20:37:04< Valkier> You still go to high school, right?
20100803 20:37:28< Gambit> Last year I caught them using some third party tracking cookies.
20100803 20:37:40< Gambit> The thread is now stickied on their tech support forums with their official response.
20100803 20:37:59< Gambit> Oddly enough the day they made that response I stopped getting alerts about tracking cookies.
20100803 20:38:02< Valkier> Pricks
20100803 20:38:10< Gambit> Tracking cookies which only appear in a clean cache when you visit their website.
20100803 20:39:12< Gambit> Of course I didn't call them asshats to their faces.
20100803 20:39:16< Gambit> I left the door open "It is possible that you have been infected without realizing. If this is the case please remove the infection. I do not want my security comprimised while going about my schoolwork."
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20100803 23:59:59< Gambit> I wonder how to go about pestering my school for linux "support".
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