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20100807 02:36:43< Gambit> wth(eck)? Ubuntu iso is only downloading at like 8kbps
20100807 02:37:45< Gambit> Even weird; restarted DL and it's fine.
20100807 02:37:49< Gambit> *weirder
20100807 02:41:36< Gambit> shadowmaster: So what's new, and exciting, and fluffy?
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20100807 03:47:34< Gambit> Ubuntu — so easy a caveman could do it
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20100807 03:55:14< Gambit> shadowmaster: Around? I have a question.
20100807 03:55:23< Gambit> What happens if you have two copies of the same OS installed?
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20100807 03:55:42< Gambit> How do you know which is which during the boot sequence?
20100807 03:56:03< Gambit> Or should I uninstall the wubi ubuntu first?
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20100807 04:02:36< shadowm_laptop> they won't conflict, but telling them apart is left as an exercise for the reader
20100807 04:03:02< shadowm_laptop> some installation programs may decide to change the GRUB entries' labels to help with that
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20100807 09:11:57< shadowmaster> 03:11:38 [Freenode] [ctcp(shadowm_laptop)] VERSION 
20100807 09:11:57< shadowmaster> 03:11:40 [Freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from shadowm_laptop: irssi 0.8.15 (Linux 2.6.34.2-bluecore283-suspend2 x86_64)
20100807 09:12:03< shadowmaster> heheh.
20100807 09:12:21< timotei> ?
20100807 09:13:00< shadowmaster> I'm fooling around with irssi's config.
20100807 09:13:20< shadowmaster> so changed my laptop client's CTCP VERSION reply to contain more than just Irssi's version
20100807 09:14:09< timotei> nice
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20100807 13:39:50< Gambit> And here we go down the rabbit hole
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20100807 14:19:16< Gambit> Apparently the windows partition is reporting all its space as used...
20100807 14:19:49< Gambit> I dunno how to allocate space for this thing...
20100807 14:20:42< Gambit> And all the install guides are using the option "erase the whole disc"
20100807 14:22:42< Gambit> Oh I have to do that from windows...
20100807 14:30:26< Gambit> So much for doing that right from the installer...
20100807 15:00:16< Gambit> And now sitting through chkdsk...
20100807 15:28:15< loonycyborg> AFAIK there are ways to resize windows partitions.
20100807 15:29:07< loonycyborg> Though if something like powerfail happens when you're doing that..
20100807 15:31:35< Gambit> Yeah I'm following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoResizeWindowsPartitions
20100807 15:46:31< timotei> hey Gambit :D
20100807 15:46:38< timotei> you want again to break your computer?:P
20100807 15:46:43< timotei> and NO!
20100807 15:46:51< timotei> don't resize windows partition from outside windows
20100807 15:52:39< Gambit> timotei: No I'd rather not break my computer.
20100807 15:52:46< Gambit> And yes I am going to do it inside windows
20100807 15:53:10< timotei> ok
20100807 15:53:26< Gambit> And according to that guide I should chkdsk and then defrag first.
20100807 15:53:32< timotei> hm
20100807 15:53:37< timotei> ok
20100807 15:53:58 * Gambit is still scared
20100807 15:54:07< timotei> why?
20100807 15:54:11< timotei> come one
20100807 15:54:15< timotei> oh, wait a second
20100807 15:54:16< timotei> :P
20100807 15:54:20< timotei> you'll get a problem
20100807 15:54:32< Gambit> Because hardware does not like me.
20100807 15:54:37< timotei> it likes
20100807 15:54:42< Gambit> I've never partitioned a harddrive before
20100807 15:54:43< timotei> if you resize the partitions
20100807 15:54:52< timotei> you'll end up with "grub not found ":))
20100807 15:55:04< timotei> if you're lucky nothing will happen
20100807 15:55:06< Gambit> And I've never done anything that I knew would be permanent like this
20100807 15:55:11< Gambit> timotei: Thanks :\
20100807 15:55:15< timotei> ok
20100807 15:55:28< timotei> the reason is, if the order of sdax
20100807 15:55:43< timotei> is changed by windows, then grub will not find it's files on the old number sdax
20100807 15:56:02< timotei> so you'll end in grub rescue mode or something like that (which is cool btw, it forces you to learn things)
20100807 15:56:14< timotei> but anyway...
20100807 15:56:18< Gambit> timotei: I don't want to learn those things right now.
20100807 15:56:24< timotei> well you don't need to
20100807 15:56:26< Gambit> I don't have an expendable computer atm.
20100807 15:56:31< timotei> expendable?
20100807 15:56:34< Gambit> I want the partitioning to go perfectly.
20100807 15:56:39< Gambit> And I want ubuntu to install
20100807 15:56:47< Gambit> and I want everything to be sugar and rainbows
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20100807 15:56:59< timotei> ok
20100807 15:57:02< timotei> well, for that
20100807 15:57:08< timotei> prepeare a live cd
20100807 15:57:12< Gambit> I did
20100807 15:57:18< timotei> windows 7 or xp?
20100807 15:57:19< Gambit> It's what I tried this morning.
20100807 15:57:38< Gambit> timotei: the one in between those :
20100807 15:57:40< Gambit> :P
20100807 15:57:43< timotei> vista!
20100807 15:57:43< timotei> :))
20100807 15:57:44< timotei> grr
20100807 15:57:45< timotei> ok
20100807 15:58:09< timotei> Well. ok. install a partition manager
20100807 15:58:15< timotei> Resize your needed partitions
20100807 15:58:25< Gambit> timotei: Doesn't the "shrink volume" tool work?
20100807 15:58:33< timotei> if it's present in vista it does
20100807 15:58:53< timotei> next, if grub fails, just instert the dvd, and update grub with current sda order
20100807 15:58:56< timotei> and you're done:)
20100807 15:59:05< timotei> something like:
20100807 15:59:21< timotei> grub-install --root-directory=/dev/sdax /dev/sda
20100807 15:59:40< timotei> where sdax is the new sda where you find the new ubuntu grub files
20100807 16:01:30< Gambit> And it says after shrinking the volume I should reboot several times
20100807 16:01:39< timotei> lol?
20100807 16:01:40< timotei> no
20100807 16:01:53< Gambit> After shrinking the Windows partition, you should reboot once (or twice) into Windows prior to installing Ubuntu (or using GParted). This allows the Windows system to automatically rescan the newly-resized partition (using chkdsk in earlier versions or a similar utility in later versions) and write changes to its own bootloader configuration files.
20100807 16:01:59< Gambit> If you start mucking around with other partitions before Windows has a chance to reset itself, the Windows bootloader will not be able to read the partition table properly (and will therefore refuse to boot entirely). If this happens, you may later have to repair the Windows partition bootup files manually using the Windows Recovery Console.
20100807 16:02:08< Gambit> Doth it lie?
20100807 16:02:24< timotei> say what???
20100807 16:02:27< timotei> come one
20100807 16:02:30< timotei> you're using grub
20100807 16:02:33< timotei> not that windows bootloader 
20100807 16:02:48< timotei> I haven't done that ever
20100807 16:02:51< timotei> maybe one reboot
20100807 16:03:01< timotei> but It really shouldn't be any problem
20100807 16:03:20< Gambit> Well I guess better safe than sorry...
20100807 16:03:27< timotei> ok
20100807 16:03:35< timotei> reboot then:D
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20100807 17:05:25< Gambit> Really sucks that Vista's defragmenter doesn't give any progress indicator...
20100807 17:08:37< timotei> ...
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20100807 17:19:15< Guest72218> bah
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20100807 17:19:36< Gambit|laptop> oh I registered that too
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20100807 17:20:18< Gambit> Wow....
20100807 17:20:18< timotei> what?
20100807 17:20:21< timotei> h?
20100807 17:20:25< Gambit> after all that it will only let me have 65gb
20100807 17:20:35< Gambit> Wtf vista!?
20100807 17:22:17< Gambit> timotei: :(
20100807 17:22:31< Gambit> windows does not feel like shrinking that much
20100807 17:24:08< timotei> what?
20100807 17:25:09< Gambit> of my 500gb harddrive: 300gb is free, but when I go to shrink volume it will only give up 65gb at most.
20100807 17:25:46< timotei> well,that is because of defragmenter
20100807 17:25:47< timotei> mostly
20100807 17:26:17< Gambit> Huh?
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20100807 17:27:28< Gambit> So you said it would be a very bad idea to resize the windows partition not from inside windows?
20100807 17:31:28< timotei> well, I wouldn't do that every
20100807 17:31:30< timotei> ever*
20100807 17:31:33< timotei> until I had backup:)
20100807 17:31:41< timotei> but... you can do this;)
20100807 17:31:53< timotei> copy everything from one partition to another
20100807 17:32:04< timotei> resize the first one
20100807 17:32:06< timotei> copy back
20100807 17:32:08< timotei> and you're done
20100807 17:45:52< Gambit> -_- It sat and worked for 10 minutes and then told me access is denied...
20100807 17:46:07< timotei> who?
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20100807 17:46:58< Gambit> timotei: The shrink volume thinger inside windows
20100807 17:47:15< Gambit> However I did get back 50gb that vanished a few months ago
20100807 17:47:16< Gambit> :s
20100807 17:47:21< Gambit> HARDWARE HATES ME
20100807 17:47:33< timotei> well... you make him hate you:D
20100807 17:47:38< timotei> -.-
20100807 17:48:08< Gambit> Actually no... I didn't get 50gb
20100807 17:48:17< Gambit> I have 50gb more free space
20100807 17:48:28< Gambit> but the total disk space is still only 450gb
20100807 17:48:42< Gambit> Which means... files disappeared?
20100807 17:48:47< Gambit> :@
20100807 17:52:12< timotei> nooooooo
20100807 17:52:13< timotei> !
20100807 17:52:21< timotei> your harddrive has 450 GIGABytes
20100807 17:52:32< timotei> but marketing guys prefer to use 1 GIGA=  1000MB
20100807 17:52:41< timotei> in reality its: 1 GIGA = 1024 MB:)
20100807 17:52:43< timotei> powers of 2
20100807 17:52:48< timotei> 2^10=1024
20100807 17:52:55< timotei> 2^10!=1000
20100807 17:53:21< timotei> so take -24 from declared space for each giga
20100807 17:53:27< Gambit> timotei: I used the acronym :D
20100807 17:54:54< Gambit> third party utilities to the rescue!
20100807 17:55:26< timotei> ok
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20100807 18:46:30< Gambit> shadowmaster got my hopes up that this would be painless
20100807 18:47:38< timotei> what?
20100807 18:47:43< timotei> well, isn't it painless?
20100807 18:48:06< Gambit> No.
20100807 18:48:11< timotei> Why not?
20100807 18:48:39< timotei> where did you reach?
20100807 18:48:55< Gambit> I'm defragging with perfect disk
20100807 18:49:15< Gambit> 2%
20100807 18:49:15< timotei> diskeeper is the way to go on windows
20100807 18:49:19< timotei> and NO need to defrag...
20100807 18:49:38< timotei> well, actually yes, if you can't shrink fewer than x
20100807 18:49:42< Gambit> I hae to defrag to move the MFT
20100807 18:49:43< Gambit> yeah
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20100807 18:53:42< un214> well I painted myself into a corner
20100807 18:54:27< un214> I've got a terrain type overlay that needs to paint above units but behind cavewall transitions
20100807 18:55:27< Gambit> Oh
20100807 18:55:36< Gambit> I was going to say "At least it's the corner with the computer!"
20100807 18:55:39< Gambit> :P
20100807 18:56:20< un214> I've got this stuff that's effectively like mist -- needs to fill a cave passage
20100807 18:57:00< Zerovirus> Well I got a PM telling me to show up here for a discussion about 40 minutes ago
20100807 18:57:08< Zerovirus> And apparently I suppose I missed it :P
20100807 18:57:20< Gambit> Zerovirus: You haven't afaik.
20100807 18:57:32< Zerovirus> I don't suppose anyone has seen Fabi?
20100807 18:57:45< Gambit> Zerovirus: fabi == fendrin
20100807 18:57:56 * Zerovirus makes important note
20100807 18:57:59< timotei> :P
20100807 18:58:12< Zerovirus> Honestly, you guys need to write these variable usernames in a sticky thread somewhere
20100807 18:58:20< timotei> oh, it's Zero-virus, not zerovius
20100807 18:58:32< timotei> Zerovirus: it's written afair
20100807 18:58:33< Gambit> It's Naughtvirus
20100807 18:59:09< un214> incidentally, is there a way in terrain wml to turn off hexside clipping?
20100807 18:59:12< Zerovirus> I'll just ignore all of that
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20100807 19:00:20< Gambit> timotei: wooo 3%
20100807 19:00:28< Gambit> Now we're cruising right along.
20100807 19:00:35< Gambit> [/sarcasm of course]
20100807 19:01:00< timotei> aha
20100807 19:01:03< timotei> well, I hate that
20100807 19:01:10< timotei> just making that Gambit
20100807 19:01:25< timotei> how many GB does the defragmenter has to defrag?
20100807 19:01:34< Gambit> Dunno
20100807 19:01:40< timotei> how many GB is the partition?
20100807 19:03:35< Gambit> 451gb
20100807 19:03:43< Gambit> 0.1% fragmentation
20100807 19:04:12< Gambit> so 4.5gb?
20100807 19:04:29< Gambit> *.45gb
20100807 19:04:46< fendrin> Zerovirus: hi
20100807 19:04:49< Gambit> Well that can't be right
20100807 19:04:54< Zerovirus> Hi
20100807 19:06:02< fendrin> Zerovirus: I have resigned from maintaining UtBS. I had problems working with my co maintainers shadowmaster and Espreon.
20100807 19:06:26< Zerovirus> Oh boy, um, uh... I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to say
20100807 19:06:49< fendrin> Zerovirus: I am sorry, would have loved to work with you on the campaign.
20100807 19:07:32< fendrin> Zerovirus: You don't need to say anything, I just thought you need to know that you need to talk to Espreon if you still want to do the sprite art for utbs.
20100807 19:07:33< Zerovirus> Eh, I guess... Now I'm a bit confused. Hopefully this won't really affect me as much as it will you guys...
20100807 19:07:41< Zerovirus> Okay, thanks
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20100807 19:11:13< timotei> Gambit..
20100807 19:13:52< zookeeper> Zerovirus, we're still working out the weaponry and such with espreon
20100807 19:14:12< Zerovirus> Okay. Though I thought you had already decided on that...
20100807 19:15:10 * zookeeper shrugs
20100807 19:16:06< fendrin> Zerovirus: I was pretty much finished with my ideas. But there was for every thing I wanted to have or leave out at least one developer who objected against it.
20100807 19:16:33< zookeeper> i don't know what everyone else had already decided earlier, but at least atm there's plenty of details still up in the air
20100807 19:16:37< Zerovirus> To be honest I'm getting a bit pent up waiting
20100807 19:16:48< Zerovirus> You guys, like I said before, are trying too hard with details
20100807 19:17:15< fendrin> Zerovirus: I guess that it will take some time to find a solution everyone interrested in is satisfied with. And I guess that it will be a very half assed solution, not fish not meat.
20100807 19:17:52< Zerovirus> I dunno, it's just that I really don't think that the Drakes took this much detailing or discussion when they were mainlined
20100807 19:17:52< zookeeper> well, the problem is getting everyone to agree to a single plan. i could give you all the details i'd like right now, but that'd probably make some people unhappy.
20100807 19:18:33< zookeeper> anyway, i think at least me an espreon agree on pretty much the whole hunter line already, as well as the guard/fighter line
20100807 19:19:15< Zerovirus> Honestly, weaponry is the only thing that is really decisive in sprite art anyways. Clothes all look generic up to a certain point of differentiation
20100807 19:19:16< zookeeper> the scout and mystic lines are still sketchy, although i think the current concepts for the mystic line are plenty good enough for artists
20100807 19:20:11< zookeeper> if you want, i can name the weaponry for quite a few units already, if you want to get started on some of them
20100807 19:20:34< fendrin> zookeeper: If the current concept is fine I don't know why I had to take my hat. Since it is mostly my work that defines them. 
20100807 19:21:39< fendrin> zookeeper: And sanddancer/mystic was pretty much Espreon's work I was not satisified with entirely.
20100807 19:22:57< zookeeper> fendrin, "If the current concept is fine" <--- i don't know what you're referring to. the mystic line?
20100807 19:24:09< fendrin> zookeeper: No, the hunter and guard/fighter lines.
20100807 19:24:30< fendrin> zookeeper: Those I had spent to most work on to give Zerovirus a start to work with.
20100807 19:24:45< fendrin> zookeeper: I pretty much assembled them out of your and mine ideas.
20100807 19:24:47< Zerovirus> Well we're still using the really-long-hilt dagger things right?
20100807 19:25:00< fendrin> Zerovirus: No idea.
20100807 19:25:30< zookeeper> fendrin, well, i don't know what you mean by "current concept" in the first place. i've talked with espreon a couple of times and we've agreed (i think) to quite a few changes to those
20100807 19:25:40< zookeeper> anyway, i really need to go afk for a little while ->
20100807 19:42:29< zookeeper> Zerovirus, no, not really, AFAIK
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20100807 20:14:02< shadowmaster> zookeeper: I had forgotten that Espreon asked me to tell you something after his laptop died some days ago
20100807 20:14:05< shadowmaster> 05:46 <Espreon|Wii> shadowmaster: When zookeeper comes on, would you please tell him to just look at the plans for the Quenoth elves, Mr. Müller's new ToD schedule, and so forth, think about them, see if there's anything wrong with them, and generate ideas. Of course, tell him about... THIS.
20100807 20:14:11< shadowmaster> 05:47 <Espreon|Wii> I especially want that ToD schedule judged, so that we can determine what is to be done with it...
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20100807 20:25:32< timotei> hey shadowmaster 
20100807 20:25:33< timotei> :)
20100807 20:26:04< shadowmaster> hi
20100807 20:26:21< shadowmaster> okay, I understand what Gambit was complaining about.
20100807 20:26:28< shadowmaster> but I've never needed to do anything but defrag.
20100807 20:26:30< timotei> shadowmaster: since you're one worthy website admnistrator, is it possible to see the ... 'access' to 'eclipse.wesnoth.org'?
20100807 20:26:39< timotei> I never had to do defrag
20100807 20:26:40< shadowmaster> what do you mean by "access"?
20100807 20:26:43< timotei> thanks to Diskeeper
20100807 20:26:50< timotei> well, like the bandwidth logs
20100807 20:26:56< timotei> to see how many people accesed the site
20100807 20:27:05< shadowmaster> hm.
20100807 20:27:28< shadowmaster> ask Soliton about that. I'm not sure if we have any mechanism on the site logging that.
20100807 20:27:55< shadowmaster> there's the apache2 logs, but I'm certainy not willing to analyze those gigantic records.
20100807 20:29:48< timotei> oh
20100807 20:29:50< timotei> ok
20100807 20:37:49< timotei> shadowmaster: I'm out. good night
20100807 20:37:56< shadowmaster> night timotei 
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20100807 21:01:19< Gambit> Oh boy
20100807 21:01:35< Gambit> shadowm_laptop: Hi
20100807 21:05:05< shadowmaster> hi
20100807 21:05:22< shadowmaster> Gambit: what's up?
20100807 21:05:46< Gambit> Ummm I don't know how to install ubuntu...
20100807 21:05:59< Gambit> I made it all the way to the part where all I had to do was click a button to make it go
20100807 21:06:08< Gambit> but it occured to me that it did not once ask how much space it should take up
20100807 21:06:09< shadowmaster> and?
20100807 21:06:16< shadowmaster> wait.
20100807 21:06:32< shadowmaster> Gambit: partitioning?
20100807 21:06:38< Gambit> So I went back a few steps to the partitioning page
20100807 21:06:47< Gambit> it was going to split the windows recovery drive in half
20100807 21:06:55< Gambit> rather than use the giant partition on which vista resides
20100807 21:07:08< shadowmaster> okay, that happens due to that OEM bullshit
20100807 21:07:19< shadowmaster> just resize the Vista partition.
20100807 21:07:22< Gambit> So I'm currently defraging Vista's partition
20100807 21:07:26< Gambit> because it won't let me shrink it
20100807 21:07:29< shadowmaster> oh
20100807 21:07:35< Gambit> And it is taking forever
20100807 21:07:44< shadowmaster> okay, that could be a result of excessive fragmentation
20100807 21:07:59< Gambit> Yeah but supposedly vista defrags daily :\
20100807 21:08:03< Gambit> it said the drives were fine
20100807 21:08:10< Gambit> so I got a third party utility
20100807 21:08:22< Gambit> Also when I tried to shrink the Vista partition
20100807 21:08:33< Gambit> even though 3/5 of it was free
20100807 21:08:37< Gambit> it would only let me have 65gb
20100807 21:08:45< Gambit> and it said access denied when I tried to do that
20100807 21:08:52< Gambit> Did some research.
20100807 21:09:07< Gambit> Apparently it places a giant immovable file right in the middle of the drive
20100807 21:09:17< shadowmaster> that is the pagefile.
20100807 21:09:27< Gambit> this third party utility (PerfectDisk) is supposed to degfrag the drive and move that to the begining
20100807 21:09:42< shadowmaster> you could try shrinking/disabling the pagefile in Windows' advanced system settings as well
20100807 21:10:28< Gambit> Also I went for a hike while waiting for this and got really really lost
20100807 21:10:38< Gambit> so I walked for a half hour toward the sound of motors :)
20100807 21:10:49< Gambit> And then home along the road
20100807 21:10:52< shadowmaster> disabling it might be dangerous in normal mode, so you could try booting in safe mode, disabling the pagefile, rebooting back to the Ubuntu installer, installing, rebooting back to Windows in safe mode, reenabling the pagefile
20100807 21:11:21< Gambit> "Dangerous" D:
20100807 21:11:25< shadowmaster> (dangerous as in some apps might demand more memory than the amount of free physical memory)
20100807 21:11:43< shadowmaster> (safe mode is the way to go since all those apps won't be started)
20100807 21:13:22< shadowmaster> WindC[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[Cows forces the creation of a pagefile if it determines that it needs more memory to start the basic system, so this "dangerousity" only applies to crap such as antivirus software, the desktop/taskbar component (explorer.exe), etc-
20100807 21:13:27< shadowmaster> *Windows
20100807 21:14:48< Gambit> so if defragging + shrinking doesn't work
20100807 21:15:11< Gambit> I should boot into safe mode, disable pagefile, shrink volume, install ubuntu, back to windows safe mode, pagefile back on?
20100807 21:16:27< shadowmaster> yes
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20100807 21:16:53< Gambit> Ok.
20100807 21:17:12< shadowmaster> anyway if you are using a third party utility, odds are it'll also move the pagefile to a location closer to the logical start of the system partition
20100807 21:17:25< Gambit> That'd be nice.
20100807 21:17:35< Gambit> Should I restart betwixt that and shrinking you think?
20100807 21:17:54< Gambit> Everything I've read says that windows bootloader is picky
20100807 21:18:23< shadowmaster> restart?
20100807 21:18:38< shadowmaster> ah, yes
20100807 21:18:53< loonycyborg> I just use grub :P
20100807 21:19:05< shadowmaster> also, don¿tbe surprised if windows runs chkdsk on the first boot after resizing the partition
20100807 21:19:06< Gambit> But yeah it's been like 3 hours and I'm only 28% done with the defrag... :(
20100807 21:19:14< Gambit> shadowmaster: Awwww again?
20100807 21:19:30< Gambit> Maybe it'll just be a portion of chkdsk :D
20100807 21:19:35 * Gambit optimism face
20100807 21:19:39< shadowmaster> it's normal and intentional. The resizing program deliberately marks resized NTFS parittions as dirty.
20100807 21:19:44< shadowmaster> partitions
20100807 21:19:49< shadowmaster> and nope, full.
20100807 21:20:11< shadowmaster> Gambit: well, without the sector consistency check or whatever.
20100807 21:20:11< Gambit> Well that'll be another 2 hours then...
20100807 21:20:26< Gambit> I wonder how long the actual resizing takes.
20100807 21:20:31< shadowmaster> I don't remember how that 5-step chkdsk is called.
20100807 21:20:37< Gambit> Atm it runs for 10-15 minutes and then tells me access denied
20100807 21:20:40< shadowmaster> Gambit: not much.
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20100807 21:21:00< shadowmaster> if the partition is defragged, it'll not take long
20100807 21:21:22< Gambit> I really hope the shrinking just works after this
20100807 21:21:33< Gambit> The yellow blocks are fairly close to the begining
20100807 21:21:38< Gambit> there's 3 near the end
20100807 21:22:02< Gambit> There's a whole row of "excluded" ones near the end...
20100807 21:22:13< Gambit> What are the odds they hold the entire thing back? -_-
20100807 21:22:39< shadowmaster> how much space do you have free in that partition and how large it is?
20100807 21:23:04< Gambit> 451gb and this morning there were 300gb free
20100807 21:23:14< Gambit> but after the first failed shrinking it's now 370gb free
20100807 21:23:24< Gambit> (I have no idea)
20100807 21:23:54< Gambit> err actually now it's 360gb free
20100807 21:25:17< Gambit> I'm not sure where the 60gb came from.
20100807 21:26:06< Gambit> Of note is the fact that when I tried to shrink it; 68gb was the limit for freeing up space
20100807 21:29:06< Gambit> But yeah it looks like my dread of this process was warrented.
20100807 21:30:26< shadowmaster> because you have bad luck.
20100807 21:30:48< shadowmaster> not even when installing SUSE Linux 9.1 I had that much trouble.
20100807 21:30:55< Gambit> + hardware hates me
20100807 21:32:31< shadowmaster> Gambit: oh, btw, try /ctcp shadowm_laptop version
20100807 21:33:17< Gambit> k ?
20100807 21:33:30< shadowmaster> didn't you want it to display more info?
20100807 21:33:30< shadowmaster> there you have more info
20100807 21:34:28< Gambit> shadowmaster: Any theories on where the mystery free space came from?
20100807 21:34:50< Gambit> It thought it was full and discovered it reall wasn't while attempting to shrink?
20100807 21:35:03< Gambit> (Is that even possible?)
20100807 21:35:15< shadowmaster> from some crude defragmentation?
20100807 21:35:20< shadowmaster> no idea TBH
20100807 21:39:42< Gambit> Also of note; the vista partition and windows recovery drive do not total 500gb
20100807 21:40:13< Gambit> I'm missing 27gb somewhere
20100807 21:40:46< Gambit> *37
20100807 21:41:02< shadowmaster> you do realize hard drive manufacturers consider Gigabyte == 1000 bytes instead of 1024 bytes, which is what operating system software use?
20100807 21:41:25< Gambit> Oh yeah...
20100807 21:41:36< Gambit> doh timotei explained that to me earlier
20100807 21:41:40< shadowmaster> and that Vista and later make a hidden partition for crap
20100807 21:41:42< shadowmaster> IIRC
20100807 21:41:52< shadowmaster> or was that just seven? not sure
20100807 21:43:15< shadowmaster> afk
20100807 21:43:23< shadowmaster> you are distracting me, so I'll dettach my sessions
20100807 21:44:46< Gambit> Ha
20100807 21:44:50< Gambit> sorry
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20100807 21:52:49< zookeeper> shadowmaster, yeah, he told me himself already
20100807 22:15:12< shadowm_laptop> okay
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