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20100808 00:03:01< Gambit> shadowmaster: So the mystery 50gb is slowly disappearing.
20100808 00:03:17< Gambit> And the fragmentation percentage went up to 0.2% for a while
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20100808 00:03:26< Gambit> And I'm telling you because...
20100808 00:03:29< Gambit> Uh...
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20100808 00:07:57< Valkier> Because you love me.
20100808 00:08:00< Valkier> Say it.
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20100808 00:08:24< Gambit> Oh I just realized I picked the wrong option
20100808 00:08:33< Gambit> I was supposed to do defrag+consolidate free space
20100808 00:08:44< Gambit> So I guess now I start all over :'(
20100808 00:09:36< Gambit> Oh it's much faster this time.
20100808 00:09:39 * Gambit knocks on wood.
20100808 00:10:14< Gambit> Valkier: Sorry I only love spriters :o
20100808 00:10:22< Gambit> And Minecraft players
20100808 00:10:27< Valkier> I can sprite!
20100808 00:10:27< Gambit> Or some combination of both.
20100808 00:10:28< Valkier> Sorta
20100808 00:10:39< Valkier> I'm not terrible anymore at least.
20100808 00:10:39< Gambit> Fine.
20100808 00:10:44< Gambit> wesbot: Hug Valkier
20100808 00:10:50< Gambit> wesbot: hug Valkier
20100808 00:10:50 * wesbot hugs Valkier
20100808 00:11:02< Valkier> wesbot: Punch Gambit
20100808 00:11:07< Valkier> Because I like it rough!
20100808 00:11:19< Gambit> Valkier: I think half ops can do that with shikadibot
20100808 00:11:33< Valkier> I don't think I have 1/4th ops.
20100808 00:11:36 * Gambit punches shikadibot
20100808 00:11:36 * shikadibot knocks-out Gambit
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20100808 01:07:09< Aethaeryn> GAMBIT
20100808 01:07:15< Aethaeryn> BE ONLINE AT THE SAME TIME AS ME.
20100808 01:08:02< Zerovirus> Gambit's gone?
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20100808 01:08:14< Aethaeryn> he's quit and joined twice
20100808 01:08:17< Zerovirus> oh right
20100808 01:08:19< Aethaeryn> since I've started wanting to say something
20100808 01:08:27< Zerovirus> Will you marry me?
20100808 01:08:29< Zerovirus> Is that it?
20100808 01:09:25< Aethaeryn> well, I want him to see my map
20100808 01:09:38< Aethaeryn> so close
20100808 01:12:15< Aethaeryn> but not quite
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20100808 01:17:50< Zerovirus> Barely any posts have been made to art workshop today
20100808 01:17:52< Zerovirus> what is this
20100808 01:18:01< Zerovirus> Guess I gotta fix this fact
20100808 01:18:17< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: shush.
20100808 01:18:22< shadowmaster> he's trying to install Ubuntu for real.
20100808 01:18:56< shadowmaster> allow him to not be on IRC for now so he isn't distracted from his attempt to join us.
20100808 01:19:05< Valkier> The forums are down for me.
20100808 01:19:10< Valkier> So that could be why there are few posts.
20100808 01:19:31< shadowmaster> Valkier: they aren't for me.
20100808 01:19:36< Zerovirus> Really? Forums work for me, albeit there's a little longer load time than normal
20100808 01:19:41< Zerovirus> But maybe my connection just sucks
20100808 01:19:44< shadowmaster> lag != down
20100808 01:19:48< shadowmaster> yes, there was some lag
20100808 01:19:55< Valkier> It will work for a few minutes and then say it can't find them.
20100808 01:20:02< shadowmaster> find what?
20100808 01:20:18< Valkier> The forums.
20100808 01:20:21< Valkier> Says connection cannot be found.
20100808 01:20:40< shadowmaster> screenshot please.
20100808 01:20:52< shadowmaster> that kind of sounds like a DNS issue rather than a problem with wesnoth.org's host.
20100808 01:21:22< shadowmaster> and the DNS isn't handled by us.
20100808 01:21:51< shadowmaster> wmlunits is running on wesnoth.org as well, so there could be slight I/O lag for the next few minutes
20100808 01:40:28 * Valkier stabs the forums
20100808 01:40:48< shadowmaster> 19:21:50 <shadowmaster> wmlunits is running on wesnoth.org as well, so there could be slight I/O lag for the next few minutes
20100808 01:40:58< shadowmaster> in case that wasn't understood as English:
20100808 01:41:05< shadowmaster> Wesnoth.org is doing something that causes lag
20100808 01:41:23< shadowmaster> so expect hiccups.
20100808 01:41:41< shadowmaster> (holding your breath often works)
20100808 01:41:53< Valkier> You just want to sufficate me.
20100808 01:41:56< Valkier> I'm on to you.
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20100808 01:43:56< Zerovirus> Whoa, the screen just kinda doublerefreshed without  me pressing a button.
20100808 01:43:58< Zerovirus> Cool.
20100808 01:44:09< Zerovirus> Also new posts in the art threads that I have to go read now :D
20100808 01:44:39< Valkier> NO!
20100808 01:45:00< Zerovirus> Valkier, the new liches are awesome
20100808 01:45:02< Zerovirus> legendary
20100808 01:45:05< Zerovirus> legendawsomary
20100808 01:45:10< Valkier> Thank ya!
20100808 01:45:19< Valkier> Post something so people will look. :-P
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20100808 01:45:31< Zerovirus> Remember, though. Dwarf in a barrel. Change the barrel to something remotely armor-like... :P
20100808 01:45:32< Valkier> No feedback means I need to assume everything is perfect means shit is messed up.
20100808 01:45:44< shadowmaster> hi Espreon|Wii, how you doing?
20100808 01:46:09< Espreon|Wii> Meh, fine... I guess.
20100808 01:46:23< shadowmaster> the #radeon people insist that it can't have been just KMS.
20100808 01:46:32< Espreon|Wii> I've played through most of "Metroid Prime" again on hard mode.
20100808 01:46:57< Espreon|Wii> Uh... hmm... of course they're saying that...
20100808 01:46:59< shadowmaster> I guess it could be a coincidence and both of us own faulty hardware that can die when pushed to its limits.
20100808 01:47:06< shadowmaster> after all fglrx causes my screen to buzz.
20100808 01:47:33< Zerovirus> Valkier: So'Arthian is so much more detailed than his sibling though
20100808 01:47:41< shadowmaster> Espreon|Wii: we'll probably never know.
20100808 01:47:44< Valkier> He's the ancient one.
20100808 01:47:51< Valkier> Sothian is just a lich.
20100808 01:47:53< Espreon|Wii> It could take weeks before I'm back on a real device...
20100808 01:48:09< Zerovirus> Yup, the one with the cool hat. Still, portrait detailing and quality shouldn't reflect the unit level, should it?
20100808 01:48:27< Zerovirus> I mean, the elvish fighter portraits are just as detailed as the elvish marshals.
20100808 01:48:30< Valkier> Depends on who you ask I guess.
20100808 01:48:33< shadowmaster> Zerovirus: well, compare Kitty's Sylph to the Druid.
20100808 01:48:38< Zerovirus> Good point.
20100808 01:48:55< Valkier> It depends on what you mean by detail.
20100808 01:49:03< Valkier> He has just as many frays and dirt and such.
20100808 01:49:10< Zerovirus> I think it's funny how the ancient lich has this clear border where your details end and blocks begin up again
20100808 01:49:11< Valkier> However, you're talking about designs.
20100808 01:49:26< Zerovirus> I mean, usually you do a portrait completely before you detail
20100808 01:49:40< Valkier> Well with Arthian, he was DONE.
20100808 01:49:41< Zerovirus> Here it looks like you started detailing the top box and forgot all about his bottom parts
20100808 01:49:48< Valkier> And then Jetrel and Bob wanted to see further down on him.
20100808 01:49:56< Zerovirus> Oh.
20100808 01:49:57< shadowmaster> althoujoined fairly recently to have known this, but Jetrel once planned to remake the Ancient Lich and give it less human traits.
20100808 01:49:59< Valkier> yeah..
20100808 01:50:09< shadowmaster> *probably both of you joined failry recently...
20100808 01:50:11< Valkier> shadowmaster: I would love if he did.
20100808 01:50:18< shadowmaster> he gave up.
20100808 01:50:21< Zerovirus> IN OTHER NEWS... My lv3 Gunner as Espreon requested to be added to Chaos isn't turning out as well as I thought
20100808 01:50:27< Valkier> shadowmaster: Why?
20100808 01:50:30< shadowmaster> Espreon|Wii: ^
20100808 01:50:36< shadowmaster> Valkier: no idea.
20100808 01:50:45< shadowmaster> feel free to /query Jetrel
20100808 01:50:52< Valkier> I would absolutely LOVE to make ancient liches look like these crazy magical things.
20100808 01:50:58< Valkier> Is he around right now?
20100808 01:51:03< shadowmaster> yes
20100808 01:51:24< Espreon|Wii> Zerovirus: Oh noez! What's happening?
20100808 01:51:43< Zerovirus> Can't think of ways to make him look more Lv3 other than posture and a new chest armor
20100808 01:51:46< Zerovirus> Maybe a big gun will help
20100808 01:52:04< Zerovirus> I'm not as good at those tiny details as other guys would be... Blarumyrran comes to mind.
20100808 01:52:21< Valkier> Zerovirus: Here's the problem with details like that.
20100808 01:52:26< Valkier> They get in the way sometimes.
20100808 01:52:27< Zerovirus> As blarumyrran told me once, my details are just random, perspectivized straight lines.
20100808 01:52:41< Valkier> Ever here that the simpler an object is, the harder it is to draw?
20100808 01:52:50< Valkier> hear*
20100808 01:53:09< Zerovirus> Depends
20100808 01:53:14< Zerovirus> I think spheres are simple enough
20100808 01:53:14< Valkier> Those funky swirly lines and shit are what I do when I feel lazy in rendering something.
20100808 01:53:24< Valkier> Sphere's are amazingly difficult to do properly.
20100808 01:53:40< Zerovirus> Yeah, but I just ignore that because most people can't tell anyways :P
20100808 01:53:42< Valkier> You have main light, shadow, core shadow, bounce light, etc.
20100808 01:54:03< Valkier> Zerovirus: Absolutely. They can't tell. Which makes them quick and easy to do.
20100808 01:54:09< Zerovirus> You know with my Invader line? I gave it swirly straight lines and the trim because I can't handle complex armor shapes
20100808 01:54:12< Valkier> Look at EVILEST's portraits once.
20100808 01:54:18< Valkier> They are NOTHING but detail.
20100808 01:54:26< Zerovirus> Yeahp
20100808 01:54:33< Valkier> They don't even look like metal.
20100808 01:54:40< Zerovirus> You know, if you did basic shadingblocks and he did detail you'd be able to make some really cool stuff
20100808 01:54:40< Valkier> It's just a blob of detail and edges.
20100808 01:55:01< Zerovirus> Eh, to be honest I'm not much better in spriting
20100808 01:55:05< Valkier> Honestly? I hope I never do what he does.
20100808 01:55:11< Zerovirus> I sometimes feel like the Justin Bieber of spriting :P
20100808 01:55:22< Zerovirus> I'm pretending to be good and sooner or later people will realize how much I suck at art
20100808 01:55:28< Valkier> He's not a bad artist or anything, don't get me wrong.
20100808 01:55:32< Valkier> He's very imaginitive.
20100808 01:55:46< Valkier> But he has absolutely no differentiation in material.
20100808 01:56:07< Zerovirus> Or color schemes
20100808 01:56:10< Valkier> Mostly, because it seems his characters only wear one kind of thing each.
20100808 01:56:15< Zerovirus> I've wondered multiple times if he isn't colorblind or something
20100808 01:56:25< Valkier> Eh, his coloring is nice to me.
20100808 01:56:28< Zerovirus> And his characters use one color of one thing each in general
20100808 01:56:49< Valkier> You're right. He doesn't really change anything from one portrait to the next, but he does have a good sense of lighting and shadow. The colorations are pleasing.
20100808 01:56:51< shadowmaster> why do you two not give your criticism to him in his thread?
20100808 01:57:00< shadowmaster> your points seem perfectly valid to me.
20100808 01:57:02< Zerovirus> It's not so much that he can't tell colors' value and stuff as that he might not be able to tell differences between colors enough to integrate different colors into a portrait or something
20100808 01:57:08< Zerovirus> At least that's my bottled hypothesis
20100808 01:57:27< Zerovirus> Well, because I haven't thought about his art style that much to come up with this
20100808 01:57:28< Valkier> shadowmaster: I always feel like I'm tearing someone apart when I do that sort of thing.
20100808 01:57:39< Zerovirus> I just came up with my side thoughts on the run
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20100808 01:57:56< Valkier> But sure! I need a break from NR. I'll go take a crack.
20100808 01:57:59< shadowmaster> Valkier: you need to read Jetrel more often.
20100808 01:58:03< Valkier> We'll see if half the community hates me.
20100808 01:58:07< shadowmaster> he likes doing that.
20100808 01:58:08< Zerovirus> Copypaste some of my stuff into your post too, okay?
20100808 01:58:14< Zerovirus> That way we can share the blame.
20100808 01:58:22< shadowmaster> granted, he used to post more often in my times.
20100808 01:58:23< Valkier> Zerovirus: lol. Why don't you just post after me? :-P
20100808 01:58:31< Zerovirus> Sure, why not.
20100808 01:58:38< Valkier> shadowmaster: He isn't even responding to my lich question.
20100808 01:58:50< Zerovirus> Also, you're right, the forum is a lot slower than usual
20100808 01:58:56< Zerovirus> The portrait pics are taking eons to load
20100808 01:59:03< shadowmaster> Valkier: sorry, I didn't notice he went afk around 40 minutes agp
20100808 01:59:04< shadowmaster> *ago
20100808 01:59:08< Valkier> doh!
20100808 01:59:09< shadowmaster> you'll need to be patient.
20100808 01:59:12< Valkier> Oh well. He'll see it later.
20100808 01:59:32< shadowmaster>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND                                                                                         
20100808 01:59:35< shadowmaster>   592 wesnoth   30  10  309m 305m 2520 R   98  6.0  20:36.66 python data/tools/wmlunits -u /home/wesnoth/addons/1.8 -o /home/wesnoth/WWW/html/units/1.8    
20100808 01:59:44< Zerovirus> Stop going into these cyber trances
20100808 01:59:49< Zerovirus> It scares us when you start spouting data
20100808 01:59:57< Zerovirus> :P
20100808 02:00:05< shadowmaster> Zerovirus: that's proof that I know wesnoth.org is lagging
20100808 02:00:14< shadowmaster> I've been watching the process table for hours already
20100808 02:00:19< Zerovirus> It's proof that you're actually Skynet in disguise
20100808 02:00:39< shadowmaster> no
20100808 02:00:51< Zerovirus> And the forums just refused to load for a second but then it fixed itself :D
20100808 02:01:06< shadowmaster> first rule of #wesnoth-umc-dev: you don't talk about #wesnoth-umc-dev
20100808 02:01:17< shadowmaster> second rule of #wesnoth-umc-dev: you need to speak leet.
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20100808 02:01:37< shadowmaster> third rule of #wesnoth-umc-dev: you need to understand all technobabble shadowmaster says, or look it up by yourself
20100808 02:01:41< Valkier> w3rd
20100808 02:02:16< Valkier> s0 mai h0m13z w3re a11 l13k, "D@wg, u n3d 2 git Starcraft 2, u0."
20100808 02:02:38< shadowmaster> halp.
20100808 02:02:41< shadowmaster> fourth rule of #wesnoth-umc-dev: ignore the second rule.
20100808 02:02:41< Zerovirus> lol
20100808 02:02:44< Valkier> I wuz a11, "Yo, u b3s7 b3 7r011in!11eleven11"
20100808 02:02:51< Zerovirus> okay I can't read this anymore
20100808 02:03:14< shadowmaster> fifth rule of #wesnoth-umc-dev: see the third rule.
20100808 02:03:26< shadowmaster> sixth rule of #wesnoth-umc-dev: recursive arguments are not allowed.
20100808 02:03:38< shadowmaster> seventh rule of #wesnoth-umc-dev: go back to the first rule.
20100808 02:03:52< Zerovirus> Okay seriously are you making these up or what.
20100808 02:04:04< shadowmaster> no, they are official
20100808 02:04:17< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/secret/wesnoth-umc-dev-rules.php
20100808 02:04:31< Zerovirus> HTTP 404: Not Found
20100808 02:04:43< shadowmaster> I may have forgot to restore them when I reorganized the site.
20100808 02:04:57< Zerovirus> eighth rule of #wesnoth-umc-dev: the rules do not exist, what are you talking about, THOUGHTCRIME
20100808 02:05:23< shadowmaster> ninth rule of #wesnoth-umc-dev: go back to the seventh rule and then read this again
20100808 02:05:25< Zerovirus> Man, Turuk's last blog post was just over a year ago
20100808 02:05:30< Zerovirus> Sigh.
20100808 02:05:52< shadowmaster> you didn't hear? Turuk is MIA.
20100808 02:05:58< shadowmaster> and according to Blueblaze, married.
20100808 02:06:06< Zerovirus> Yes, but... Seriously, he could at least make ONE POST.
20100808 02:06:17< shadowmaster> shikadibot: MIA?
20100808 02:06:17<+shikadibot> MIA: missing in action
20100808 02:06:19< Zerovirus> So we know that he didn't die or something.
20100808 02:06:20< Blueblaze> shadowmaster: yes he got married a few weeks ago
20100808 02:06:22< shadowmaster> Zerovirus: MIA.
20100808 02:06:30< Zerovirus> ...
20100808 02:06:37< shadowmaster> Blueblaze: link or it didn't happen.
20100808 02:06:38< Blueblaze> Me and him are facebook friends
20100808 02:06:46< Zerovirus> I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take that in military sense or internet sense.
20100808 02:06:51< shadowmaster> Blueblaze: so are TSI and noy
20100808 02:07:02< Blueblaze> and they should confirm it
20100808 02:07:17< shadowmaster> I will ask them, but if you turn out to be lying, you'll be banned from the forums.
20100808 02:07:25< Blueblaze> lol
20100808 02:07:28< Blueblaze> no I won't
20100808 02:07:31< Zerovirus> Like he still posts on the forum, ever
20100808 02:07:37< shadowmaster> Blueblaze: yes you will.
20100808 02:07:39< Zerovirus> (when was the last time I saw you posting?)
20100808 02:07:39< Blueblaze> you can't ban me for that reason anyway
20100808 02:07:47< Blueblaze> shadowmaster: gl with that
20100808 02:07:56< shadowmaster> I can.
20100808 02:07:56< Blueblaze> but I'm too lazy to even check if I'm banned lol
20100808 02:07:59< Blueblaze> You can
20100808 02:08:00< Blueblaze> sorry
20100808 02:08:01< shadowmaster> whether I should, is a different matter
20100808 02:08:02< Blueblaze> you physically can
20100808 02:08:03< Blueblaze> right
20100808 02:08:25< shadowmaster> I suppose you prefer getting your house bombed then
20100808 02:08:34< Blueblaze> indeed
20100808 02:08:38< Blueblaze> what is noy's first name?
20100808 02:08:41 * Blueblaze has forgotten
20100808 02:08:41< Zerovirus> People are ignoring me :(
20100808 02:08:42< Blueblaze> oh
20100808 02:08:44< shadowmaster> Richard.
20100808 02:08:45< Blueblaze> I remember now, nvm
20100808 02:08:45< Blueblaze> yeah
20100808 02:09:15< shadowmaster> Zerovirus: what?
20100808 02:09:22< shadowmaster> Zerovirus: I mean, what are we ignoring?
20100808 02:09:28< Zerovirus> Eh, nothing, nevermind
20100808 02:09:42< Blueblaze> shadowmaster: would you like the link to him and his wife's blog?
20100808 02:09:42< shadowmaster> I mind.
20100808 02:09:53< shadowmaster> Blueblaze: okay, feel free to PM it to me.
20100808 02:10:02 * Blueblaze doesn't see noy on his friends list
20100808 02:10:03< Blueblaze> k
20100808 02:13:01-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [+o shadowmaster] by ChanServ
20100808 02:13:09-!- shadowmaster changed the topic of #wesnoth-umc-dev to: In Blueblaze We Trust | Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Project discussion and support channel | http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net | Staff: AI0867, Espreon, shadowmaster | Project @ SF.net: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev | IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org, http://irclogs.ai0867.net
20100808 02:13:15-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [-o shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
20100808 02:13:29< shadowmaster> uh, wesnoth.org disappeared?
20100808 02:13:34< shadowmaster> ah no, false alarm
20100808 02:14:55< shadowmaster> shikadibot: hug Blueblaze 
20100808 02:14:55 * shikadibot hugs Blueblaze
20100808 02:17:01< Blueblaze> why thank you shikadibot 
20100808 02:17:32< Blueblaze> oh hi Valkier 
20100808 02:17:36< Valkier> Yo
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20100808 02:17:46< Blueblaze> I haven't played Starcraft 2, I have a thousand words left to write due in less than 5 hours
20100808 02:17:54< Blueblaze> using 6 sources which I need to bs
20100808 02:22:14< Valkier> Zerovirus: You're up!
20100808 02:22:23< Zerovirus> I am?
20100808 02:22:24< Zerovirus> Okay
20100808 02:24:31< shadowmaster> okay people , I give up.
20100808 02:24:37< shadowmaster> I don't know what's causing w.o to lag so much
20100808 02:24:55< shadowmaster> I mean, wmlunits finished and the connections still lag.
20100808 02:25:13< shadowmaster> so it's more likely to be a network issue than a problem with the actual machine
20100808 02:26:42< Zerovirus> What am I supposed to say? You already covered everything.
20100808 02:26:51< Zerovirus> Seriously, Valkier, I have nothing to add :P
20100808 02:27:18< Valkier> blah
20100808 02:28:09< Zerovirus> Everything you said I already knew to a certain degree, but I hesitated to post for one reason...
20100808 02:28:18< Valkier> Oh?
20100808 02:28:20< Zerovirus> Speed of art. He has an established style he's obviously comfortable enough with
20100808 02:28:36< Zerovirus> And the developers can tolerate his differences and his art fits well enough with mainline
20100808 02:28:51< Zerovirus> I figured, if we're going to talk artistic improvement and development, let's do it after his first major project
20100808 02:29:21< Zerovirus> But then again that might give him reason to redo every portrait with new concepts and knowledge if we do that... So I mainly stayed apathetic and let things work out
20100808 02:29:47< Zerovirus> But yeah. Sounds more like a pathetic rationalization than a real reason now that I say it :P
20100808 02:34:28< Valkier> oooo
20100808 02:34:38< Valkier> I think Jetrel is giving me the go ahead to design ancient liches.
20100808 02:37:28< Aethaeryn> sprite or portrait?
20100808 02:37:47< Valkier> Both to some extent.
20100808 02:38:03< Valkier> I'm going to make up a portrait, and the hope is someone will redesign the sprite.
20100808 02:38:30< Valkier> Zerovirus: o hai
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20100808 02:40:27< Valkier> That bastard!
20100808 02:40:42< Valkier> shadowmaster: Time for you to start your spriting skillz!
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20100808 02:43:39< shadowmaster> *restart
20100808 02:44:17< Valkier> Whatever man! Go go go!
20100808 02:45:35< shadowmaster> :(
20100808 02:45:44< shadowmaster> not for the next one thousand months
20100808 02:45:49< Valkier> dawww..
20100808 02:53:15< Valkier> So you did used to sprite?
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20100808 02:58:52< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=17306
20100808 02:58:56< shadowmaster> so, yes.
20100808 03:00:48< Valkier> ooo
20100808 03:00:52< Valkier> Why'd you stop?
20100808 03:01:20< shadowmaster> motivation.
20100808 03:01:24< shadowmaster> lack of motivation.
20100808 03:02:16< Valkier> Well..
20100808 03:02:23< Valkier> Go make the new lich I create!
20100808 03:03:50< shadowmaster> unlikely.
20100808 03:03:58< Valkier> Sadness. :-(
20100808 03:03:59< shadowmaster> my artwork has never been on par with mainline
20100808 03:04:05< Valkier> Pfft
20100808 03:04:13< Valkier> It's on par with my MANline!
20100808 03:04:17< shadowmaster> and I don't expect to gain the skills magially any soon now
20100808 03:04:36< shadowmaster> (besides, animations and stuff...ugh)
20100808 03:13:13< Valkier> Animation is fun though. :-(
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20100808 05:32:08< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'm still alive.
20100808 05:32:14< Gambit> It's just taking forever.
20100808 05:32:28< Gambit> I restarted it with the mode "Consolidate Free Space"
20100808 05:32:31< Gambit> It zoomed back up to where it was.
20100808 05:32:39< Gambit> And went at its snailish pace.
20100808 05:32:44< Gambit> Until it hit root.disk
20100808 05:32:55< Gambit> Which is the file Wubi uses as its hard drive
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20100808 05:33:07< Gambit> Now it just moves that file and then defrags it
20100808 05:33:09< Gambit> moves it again
20100808 05:33:12< Gambit> defrags it again
20100808 05:33:16< Gambit> moves it again
20100808 05:33:24< Gambit> And so on for the past hour and a half.
20100808 05:33:53< Gambit> The status reports 0% fragmentation now.
20100808 05:34:01< Gambit> Hopefully when it's done with this file it zooms to finish :D
20100808 05:35:25< Gambit> prolly not
20100808 05:35:39< Gambit> night though
20100808 05:36:00< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: delete it
20100808 05:36:09< shadowm_laptop> :P
20100808 05:36:12< Gambit> errr
20100808 05:36:18< shadowm_laptop> or maybe not, I don't know how that defrag thingy works
20100808 05:36:25< shadowm_laptop> maybe the file is too big and it doesn't fit in RAM or something
20100808 05:36:30< Gambit> Well I had planned to keep wubi on until I had Ubuntu-The-Right-Way actually working.
20100808 05:36:33< shadowm_laptop> I really don't know.
20100808 05:36:34< Gambit> It's 29gb
20100808 05:36:41< Gambit> So yeah it doesn't fit into my ram. :)
20100808 05:37:10< shadowm_laptop> again, I have no idea if it relocates data by sectors or by files.
20100808 05:37:23< shadowm_laptop> (sectors: generally < 1 MB; files: you know)
20100808 05:37:28 * Gambit asks it
20100808 05:37:51< Gambit> It's annoying that according to task manager this program is barely alive
20100808 05:37:55< Gambit> why do things do that?!?
20100808 05:37:59< Gambit> I have a beasting machine here.
20100808 05:38:05< Gambit> Use it all up.
20100808 05:38:09< Gambit> 50% CPU time
20100808 05:38:10< shadowm_laptop> anyway, good night. I'm afk.
20100808 05:38:14< Gambit> all my memory
20100808 05:38:16< Gambit> make the fans run
20100808 05:38:26< Gambit> But no...
20100808 05:38:31< Gambit> it just crawls along
20100808 05:38:44< Gambit> shadowm_laptop: Good night
20100808 05:40:07< Gambit> I would give up a whole GB of memory to get this working :'(
20100808 05:40:23< Gambit> But it's four sticks of two so ha!
20100808 05:42:53 * Gambit poof
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20100808 15:02:30< Gambit__> Already in use?
20100808 15:03:11< Gambit__> Who the hell has my nick and how are they not getting murdered by Nickserv?
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20100808 15:07:22< Gambit> I actually have no time to investigate that right now
20100808 15:07:40< Gambit> Man I need shadowmaster or timotei badly :(
20100808 15:07:46< Gambit> Good news: Ubuntu
20100808 15:07:50< Gambit> Bad News: Windows is dead
20100808 15:08:06< Gambit> Good News: Magic purple windows DVD says "Everything is okay!"
20100808 15:08:33< Gambit> I-Don't-Know-News: That means that windows is just missing from the boot loader options
20100808 15:08:48< Gambit> It goes straight to the ubuntu options
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20100808 15:12:06< Gambit> So I need to add vista to grub I guess is the phrase for it
20100808 15:15:07< loonycyborg> I have some experinence with tinkering with grub :P
20100808 15:15:14< loonycyborg> *experience
20100808 15:15:42< Gambit> loonycyborg: Will you help me?
20100808 15:15:52< loonycyborg> Sure.
20100808 15:16:41< Gambit> This appears to be the reverse of what I need http://www.troublefixers.com/ubuntu-boot-menu-missing-after-installing-windows-in-dual-boot-fix-ubuntu-bootloader/
20100808 15:16:50< Gambit> But could the same thing work?
20100808 15:17:10< Gambit> Oops that's not right
20100808 15:17:36< Gambit> Two of the things have said to edit menu.lst
20100808 15:17:42< Gambit> but I don't have such a file in grub's folder
20100808 15:17:58< loonycyborg> It also can be named grub.conf.
20100808 15:18:52< loonycyborg> Basically to boot windows I have this in grub.conf:
20100808 15:18:58< loonycyborg> title=Micro$loth Windoze XP
20100808 15:18:58< loonycyborg> rootnoverify (hd0,2)
20100808 15:18:58< loonycyborg> chainloader +1
20100808 15:19:25< Gambit> in /boot/grub ?
20100808 15:19:36< loonycyborg> Though you'd need to substitute (hd0,2) with whatever is right for you.
20100808 15:19:45< loonycyborg> Yes.
20100808 15:19:54< Gambit> I have grub.cfg, grubenv, and unicode.pf2
20100808 15:20:09< Gambit> gah
20100808 15:20:12< Gambit> wrong computer
20100808 15:20:17< Gambit> I keep forgetting I'm on irc on the laptop
20100808 15:20:33< Gambit> (that's how flipped out I am)
20100808 15:20:56< Trilby> Ubuntu should use Grub2 now, which is different. Have you tried update-grub with the sudo command? It runs OS-prober
20100808 15:21:10< Gambit> Err no grub.conf on the desktop either
20100808 15:21:18< Gambit> Trilby: just sudo update-grub ?
20100808 15:21:36< Trilby> yes, I believe so
20100808 15:21:56< Gambit> Nope it only found what it already had
20100808 15:22:28< Gambit> linux image, initrd image, memtest86+, and Windows Recovery Environment
20100808 15:22:43< Trilby> hmm
20100808 15:24:17< Trilby> Grub2 usually picks up on windows straight off. I ran this command to find Slackware on my Debian install, and it worked that way.
20100808 15:24:54< Gambit> http://erickoo.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/how-to-add-vista-partition-to-grub-2-ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala/ <=====does this article look like it knows what it's talking about?
20100808 15:25:02< loonycyborg> You can try grub's interactive mode :P
20100808 15:25:29< Gambit> ohhh the memtest86+ is windows?
20100808 15:25:34< Gambit> No
20100808 15:25:38< Gambit> I don't know :'(
20100808 15:25:51< Gambit> No it's not.
20100808 15:25:53< loonycyborg> Just press 'c' and input the commands manually :P
20100808 15:26:29< loonycyborg> rootnoverify (hdwhatever,whatever) and chainloader +1
20100808 15:27:43< Gambit> I just did fdisk -l
20100808 15:27:50< Gambit> and the one vista is on has a * in the boot column
20100808 15:27:52< Gambit> the rest do not
20100808 15:28:29< Gambit> Does that mean anything?
20100808 15:30:21< loonycyborg> iirc partitions can be marked as boot and that affects initial boot process somehow..
20100808 15:33:47< Gambit> Well I just followed the afforelinked article
20100808 15:33:50< Gambit> going to restart
20100808 15:34:09 * Gambit crosses fingers
20100808 15:34:26< Gambit> well the option is there :D
20100808 15:34:31 * Gambit hits enter :o
20100808 15:35:03< Gambit> It's booting...
20100808 15:35:06< Gambit> It's making noise
20100808 15:35:08< Gambit> logging in
20100808 15:35:11< Gambit> there's my desktop
20100808 15:35:16< Gambit> YESSSSSSSSSSS
20100808 15:35:29< Trilby> well done!
20100808 15:35:32< Gambit> Time to celebrate! Pizza is on me!
20100808 15:35:50< Trilby> e-mail me a slice
20100808 15:35:58< Gambit> Thanks guys
20100808 15:36:25< Gambit> And the best part is that ubuntu will be default >:[
20100808 15:36:53< Gambit> I have to make it through not one, but two of those "you have 15 seconds to choose" in order to boot windows >:]
20100808 15:38:18< Gambit> No more "oh shit I didn't make it in time and now I have to wait 5 minutes for vista to shut down"
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20100808 17:38:02< Gambit> Bah now I'm back to Quassel not getting a notification icon again.
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20100808 19:00:55< AI0867> I tried to find the academic calendar for the university where my sister is enrolling. Of course, http://xkcd.com/773/ applies.
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20100808 19:07:56< loonycyborg> At least you've learned its full name :P
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20100808 19:27:56< AI0867> loonycyborg: the URL is www.fullnameofuniversity.nl
20100808 19:28:18< AI0867> so no, not so much
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20100808 20:45:49< Aethaeryn> Gambit: hi
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20100808 20:51:59< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Ello
20100808 20:52:10< Gambit> PetePorty, Aethaeryn: SMP?
20100808 20:52:34< PetePorty> I am in SMP
20100808 20:52:55< PetePorty> 85.17.102.2:25570
20100808 20:53:00< Gambit> Meh
20100808 20:53:05 * Gambit wants to see Aethaeryn's bridge
20100808 20:54:20< Gambit> LAMP is set up :D
20100808 20:54:24< Gambit> Time to add the extra P and a C
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20100808 20:54:35< Gambit> Oh that's right; I already haz perl
20100808 20:54:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: It's all working beautifully now :D
20100808 20:54:49< PetePorty> come, we are gonna start building something.
20100808 20:54:51< Gambit> 183gb
20100808 20:55:11< Gambit> Actually it was willing to part with almost all the free space.
20100808 20:55:13< Gambit> I told it 175
20100808 20:55:21< Gambit> And when I got to ubuntu there was 183 available
20100808 20:55:50< Gambit> But it killed Windows
20100808 20:55:58< Gambit> Err misplaced it rather.
20100808 20:56:09< shadowmaster> Gambit: how's things?
20100808 20:56:15< Gambit> ^^^
20100808 20:56:40< Gambit> Things are good. :D
20100808 20:57:11< Gambit> It lost vista for like an hour, but I found it :D
20100808 20:58:27< shadowmaster> okay, so I'm going to setup a batch job for backing up everything to my new toy.
20100808 20:58:33< shadowmaster> I mean EVERYTHING.
20100808 20:58:49< Gambit> shadowmaster: Hold that thought!
20100808 20:58:55< shadowmaster> so my availability might be affected by I/O lag
20100808 21:00:50< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_l68o28BLDW1qd0ptoo1_1280.png?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1281380441&Signature=FEgecfx0wspbk9qWjK7WvKpSNXg%3D
20100808 21:00:55< Gambit> long url is long...
20100808 21:01:49< shadowmaster> o_O
20100808 21:01:57< shadowmaster> what's that?
20100808 21:02:01< Gambit> A creeper
20100808 21:02:09< Gambit> They asplode when you get too close.
20100808 21:02:32< Gambit> They used to self destruct on death, so if you killed them too close to your house... :\
20100808 21:02:46< Gambit> Now you have about 5 seconds to kill them and they won't asplode.
20100808 21:02:57< shadowmaster> okay.
20100808 21:03:02< shadowmaster> now we have real creepers trying to get inside.
20100808 21:03:28< shadowmaster> as in, they have already entered the second floor
20100808 21:03:37< Gambit> ssssssssssssssssssssss
20100808 21:03:48< shadowmaster> take that as you will.
20100808 21:03:53< shadowmaster> the plants want to invade our home
20100808 21:08:56 * Gambit installs that server software nobody likes to hear about
20100808 21:15:00< shadowmaster> okay, a partial backup job to test now
20100808 21:16:52< shadowmaster> hm.
20100808 21:16:58< shadowmaster> we have a problem
20100808 21:18:54< shadowmaster> ERROR: /etc/rsnapshot.conf on line 30:
20100808 21:18:54< shadowmaster> ERROR: snapshot_root /media/usb0/bu/ 
20100808 21:19:02< shadowmaster> what exactly is wrong with that? :/
20100808 21:19:47< shadowmaster> OOOOH.
20100808 21:19:57< shadowmaster> vim changed all spaes to tabs.
20100808 21:20:05< shadowmaster> that's not good.
20100808 21:20:08< Gambit> Naughty program
20100808 21:20:26< Gambit> shadowmaster: Hwy aren't you using Kate?
20100808 21:22:03< shadowmaster> I only need to add a vim modeline at the end of the config file
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20100808 21:22:29< shadowmaster> and I'm not using kate because I prefer to edit config files in a text terminal
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20100808 21:25:00< shadowmaster> ah, damn you GNU
20100808 21:25:25< shadowmaster> your stupid expannd tool reads from the source file as it goes instead of swallowing  the full thing
20100808 21:28:47< shadowmaster> wait, what
20100808 21:28:54< shadowmaster> it requires tabs?
20100808 21:29:06< shadowmaster> I thought it was the inverse
20100808 21:29:21< shadowmaster> #                                               #
20100808 21:29:21< shadowmaster> # PLEASE BE AWARE OF THE FOLLOWING RULES:       #
20100808 21:29:21< shadowmaster> #                                               #
20100808 21:29:21< shadowmaster> # This file requires tabs between elements      #
20100808 21:29:21< shadowmaster> #                                               #
20100808 21:29:23< shadowmaster> # Directories require a trailing slash:         #
20100808 21:29:26< shadowmaster> #   right: /home/                               #
20100808 21:29:29< shadowmaster> #   wrong: /home                                #
20100808 21:29:31< shadowmaster> #                                               #
20100808 21:31:01< shadowmaster> gaaaaaaaaaaa
20100808 21:32:51< shadowmaster> okay, now it's good
20100808 21:33:18< shadowmaster> preliminary backup in progress
20100808 21:36:25< shadowmaster> laaaag
20100808 21:38:17< shadowmaster> now backing up remote files
20100808 21:38:48< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~$ sudo rsnapshot daily
20100808 21:38:48< shadowmaster> rsync: opendir "/home/umcreg/.ssh" failed: Permission denied (13)
20100808 21:38:48< shadowmaster> rsync: send_files failed to open "/home/umcreg/.lesshst": Permission denied (13)
20100808 21:38:51< shadowmaster> rsync: send_files failed to open "/home/umcreg/.viminfo": Permission denied (13)
20100808 21:38:56< shadowmaster> blub
20100808 21:39:15< shadowmaster> that appears to be the ~umcreg at ai0867.net
20100808 21:39:26< shadowmaster> argh
20100808 21:39:28< shadowmaster> rsync: send_files failed to open "/home/public/blog/serendipity_config_local.inc.php": Permission denied (13
20100808 21:40:11< shadowmaster> rsync: send_files failed to open "/home/public/junk/wesnoth-0.1-win32.zip": Permission denied (13)
20100808 21:40:15< shadowmaster> rsync: send_files failed to open "/home/public/junk/wesnoth-0.2-win32.zip": Permission denied (13)
20100808 21:40:31< shadowmaster> granted, the last two I deliberately set a-r
20100808 21:41:13< shadowmaster> that preliminary backup is 677 MiB
20100808 21:41:55< shadowmaster> now to backup EVERYTHING
20100808 21:42:13< shadowmaster> and afterwards, relocate and resize my home partition
20100808 21:42:19< shadowmaster> :D
20100808 21:53:17< Gambit> fucking windows
20100808 21:53:27< Gambit> I've freed up a gb of space in thumbs.db's alone
20100808 21:53:31< Gambit> actually not fucking windows
20100808 21:53:40< Gambit> Stupid little sisters
20100808 21:55:35< Gambit> I told her to organize her photo collection better but she's got subdirectories with like 2 photos in them
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20100808 21:57:29< Aethaeryn> stupid hierarchical folder system
20100808 21:57:36< Aethaeryn> tags would work better for photos
20100808 21:57:36< Gambit> I think I should write something to dig through here and only copy the jpg's...
20100808 21:58:13< Aethaeryn> what are you trying to do?
20100808 21:58:34< Gambit> A few months ago she managed to fill her hardrive completely with photos and videos
20100808 21:58:39< Gambit> I backed that up and wiped her laptop clean
20100808 21:58:44< Gambit> You might remember me laughing about that?
20100808 21:58:50< Gambit> She had like a tenth a percent of free space left
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20100808 21:58:59< Gambit> lol just thinking about it...
20100808 21:59:24< Gambit> Anyway I am now digging through that and deleting all videos and thumbs.db's trying to get the photos onto a dvd
20100808 21:59:50< Aethaeryn> moral of the story: people are stupid
20100808 21:59:59< Aethaeryn> and minecraft shows that the world still is an okay place with just one person
20100808 22:00:31< Gambit> She had less than 512mb left IIRC
20100808 22:00:52< Gambit> I don't remember the exact number; just making fun of her that my second smallest usb stick could hold her free space
20100808 22:01:18< Gambit> I'm down to 6.2 gb
20100808 22:01:26< Gambit> I can't find anymore videos lurking around
20100808 22:01:36< Aethaeryn> therefore...
20100808 22:01:43< Aethaeryn> we do *not* live in the best of all possible worlds.
20100808 22:02:24< shadowmaster> I decided to not backup my entire home fs since I have lots of redundant crap
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20100808 22:13:09< shadowmaster> Instead, I'll have this: http://pastebin.com/kRWK5ykF
20100808 22:13:23< shadowmaster> let's rock
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20100808 22:16:37< shadowmaster> now backing up /usr
20100808 22:16:39< Gambit> Redudant backups of redundant backups of backups of files have saved me in the past
20100808 22:17:14< Gambit> I forget who, but someone here said it's not paranoia if you turn out to be right!
20100808 22:17:17< shadowmaster> Gambit: pretty much everything that isn't included there is either crap, or I can download from the Internet, or it's in older backup media
20100808 22:17:42< shadowmaster> I might as well change my mind later and backup all of /home
20100808 22:21:20< Gambit> Just backup the entire drive
20100808 22:21:24< Gambit> you've got 2TB 
20100808 22:21:33< Gambit> [/devil sitting on your shoulder]
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20100808 22:45:25< shadowmaster> /usr backup finished
20100808 22:45:29< shadowmaster> now on to /usr/local
20100808 22:45:44< shadowmaster> now /opt
20100808 22:46:07< shadowmaster> and /var. Phew, that was quick.
20100808 22:46:26< shadowmaster> /usr is currently using 11 GiB
20100808 22:55:02< Aethaeryn> Gambit: poke
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20100808 22:58:21< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Hai
20100808 22:58:32< Aethaeryn> Gambit: want to see something really cool?
20100808 23:01:12< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Sic
20100808 23:02:28< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/93-Full-system-backup-in-progress!.html
20100808 23:03:45< Gambit> Aethaeryn: I found patchy snow on a non-snow world
20100808 23:03:50< Gambit> and it's not giving snow balls :(
20100808 23:04:39< Gambit> shadowmaster: So your batter secret is to fully discharge
20100808 23:04:47< Gambit> then take out the battery and run on AC for a while
20100808 23:04:52< Gambit> and then put battery in and charge?
20100808 23:04:59< Gambit> rinse and repeat?
20100808 23:05:41< shadowmaster> Gambit: just fully discharge and then rechaarge up to 100%, now
20100808 23:05:52< shadowmaster> no batteryless period anymore
20100808 23:06:10< shadowmaster> however, in the last cycle I lost 36 mAh
20100808 23:06:42< shadowmaster> so let's see how it goes in the next one
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20100808 23:07:28< Aethaeryn> Gambit: anyway, go to my server for a few sec and I'll show you some cool things I found
20100808 23:07:42< Gambit> Aethaeryn: IP?
20100808 23:07:47< Gambit> Aethaeryn: I have no backlogs :)
20100808 23:09:47< Aethaeryn> see the unlogged other chan
20100808 23:09:49< Aethaeryn> ##minecraft 
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20100808 23:58:07< Blueblaze> hi
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