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20100809 00:27:07< Gambit> shadowmaster: Walmart has a 2TB for $139
20100809 00:28:17< Blueblaze> ignorant much 
20100809 00:28:50< Blueblaze> Walmart has a 1.7 cubic foot fridge for only $58
20100809 00:28:51< Blueblaze> :z
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20100809 00:43:55< Blueblaze> aunque sea un momento
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20100809 01:17:18< Gambit> mothing fucking school computers and their fucking anti-anti-virus-software policies
20100809 01:17:33< Gambit> my external is now read only for some reason
20100809 01:18:29< PetePorty> :3
20100809 01:18:45< PetePorty> Gambo, come play MC
20100809 01:18:56< Gambit> No
20100809 01:18:57< PetePorty> 85.17.102.2:25570
20100809 01:19:01< PetePorty> Gogogogo!
20100809 01:19:04 * Gambit is very very angry right now
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20100809 01:19:53< shadowmaster> Blueblaze: what?
20100809 01:20:00< shadowmaster> 18:43:55 <Blueblaze> aunque sea un momento
20100809 01:20:46< shadowmaster> Gambit: backup complete! :D
20100809 01:20:57< Gambit> shadowmaster: lucky you...
20100809 01:20:58< shadowmaster> now I need something dangerous to do
20100809 01:21:01< Gambit> I apparently just lost my external
20100809 01:21:05< Gambit> I have no idea why...
20100809 01:21:18< Gambit> I just got done transfering some of my sisters photos off of it back to her computer
20100809 01:21:25< Gambit> and now I come back to ubuntu and the entire drive is read only
20100809 01:21:26< Blueblaze> shadowmaster: que pienso en ti
20100809 01:21:30< shadowmaster> Gambit: you are trying it out on Ubuntu?
20100809 01:21:31< Blueblaze> ">
20100809 01:21:42< shadowmaster> Blueblaze: I don't understand what you are saying.
20100809 01:21:47< Blueblaze> nothing
20100809 01:21:57< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yes
20100809 01:21:57< Blueblaze> it exists for its own sake
20100809 01:22:09< shadowmaster> Gambit: okay...I think I know what the problem is.
20100809 01:22:21< shadowmaster> Gambit: you have the HDD connected, right?
20100809 01:22:24< Gambit> yes
20100809 01:22:37< shadowmaster> please paste the output of $ ls /media
20100809 01:22:40< Gambit> Also as soon as I plugged it into her laptop it started installing all the extra shitty bonus software
20100809 01:22:43< Gambit> her laptop is stupid
20100809 01:23:12< Gambit> shadowmaster: EXTERNAL OS
20100809 01:23:17< Gambit> the external
20100809 01:23:21< Gambit> and the vista paritition
20100809 01:23:24< shadowmaster> Gambit: uh?
20100809 01:23:37< Gambit> should I do ls/media/external
20100809 01:23:50< shadowmaster> no.
20100809 01:23:55< shadowmaster> ls /media
20100809 01:24:13< Gambit> odd
20100809 01:24:18< Gambit> when I copy and just went to paste in here
20100809 01:24:20< Gambit> it had more lines
20100809 01:24:35< Gambit> wtf?
20100809 01:24:41< Gambit> oh wait
20100809 01:24:49< Gambit> EXTERNAL  OS
20100809 01:24:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: ^
20100809 01:26:13< Gambit> shadowmaster: Is there perhaps a flag I need?
20100809 01:27:50 * Gambit boots his laptop into windows
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20100809 01:28:20< Gambit> oh well that explains it
20100809 01:28:26< Gambit> shadowmaster: EXTERNAL  OS
20100809 01:29:41< Gambit> :\
20100809 01:29:59< shadowmaster> Gambit: could you please elaborate?
20100809 01:30:06< shadowmaster> I don't understan what "EXTERNAL  OS" means
20100809 01:30:08< Gambit> shadowmaster: That's the output of ls /media
20100809 01:30:09< shadowmaster> *understand
20100809 01:30:13< shadowmaster> or in what context
20100809 01:30:15< shadowmaster> uh?
20100809 01:30:25< shadowmaster> okay, ls /media/external
20100809 01:30:29< shadowmaster> er.
20100809 01:30:33< shadowmaster> I mean ls -l /media/external
20100809 01:30:41< shadowmaster> I mean ls -l /media/EXTERNAL
20100809 01:30:50< Gambit> why are some blue and one is green?
20100809 01:31:00< Gambit> 4 lines this time
20100809 01:31:03< Gambit> autorun        msdownld.tmp  Recycled                   wd_windows_tools
20100809 01:31:03< Gambit> autorun.inf    Music         System Volume Information
20100809 01:31:03< Gambit> Backups        Pets          Ubuntu
20100809 01:31:03< Gambit> Documentation  $RECYCLE.BIN  wd_mac_tools
20100809 01:31:09< Gambit> autorun.inf is green
20100809 01:31:12< Gambit> The rest are blue
20100809 01:31:12< shadowmaster> I told you to use ls -l
20100809 01:31:16< Gambit> oops
20100809 01:31:26< shadowmaster> and that's the vista partition
20100809 01:31:31< shadowmaster> I want the external HDD.
20100809 01:31:36< Gambit> nope that's the external
20100809 01:31:42< Gambit> those are the top level folder names
20100809 01:31:47< Gambit> I gotta pastebin this one just a second
20100809 01:31:58< shadowmaster> blue == directory, green == file marked as executable (the pnly possibility for normal files on Windows filesystems)
20100809 01:32:31< shadowmaster> cyan == symbolic link
20100809 01:32:32< PetePorty> pnly...
20100809 01:32:34< PetePorty> heh
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20100809 01:33:03< shadowmaster> red == broken link
20100809 01:33:05< shadowmaster> also tarballs for whatever reason
20100809 01:33:16< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://pastebin.com/zeBFrjH3
20100809 01:34:13< shadowmaster> Gambit: okay, it should work :/
20100809 01:34:28< shadowmaster> assuming your username on that Ubuntu installation is gambit and you are logged in like that
20100809 01:34:38< Gambit> yep
20100809 01:34:47< Gambit> when I got to properties I have full folder permissions
20100809 01:34:49< Gambit> but not file permissions
20100809 01:34:52< shadowmaster> and wtf does an external HDD have an autorun.inf?
20100809 01:34:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: IKR!?
20100809 01:35:01< shadowmaster> then again I destroyed mine's original filesystem and replaced it with ext4
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20100809 01:35:17< Gambit> I'ma plug it into a windows laptop really quick
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20100809 01:35:42<@shadowmaster> crap
20100809 01:35:53< Gambit> errr?
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20100809 01:36:23< shadowmaster> Gambit: is the HDD using NTFS btw?
20100809 01:36:31< Gambit> Probably
20100809 01:36:35< Gambit> xD
20100809 01:36:41< Gambit> I don't know :(
20100809 01:36:44< shadowmaster> have you tried to write into it with Ubuntu before?
20100809 01:36:49< Gambit> Yes
20100809 01:36:58< shadowmaster> and it worked?
20100809 01:37:05< Gambit> It was working until I had it in her damn laptop
20100809 01:37:12< shadowmaster> okay.
20100809 01:37:22< shadowmaster> Gambit: maybe it wasn't unmounted properly
20100809 01:37:36< shadowmaster> try running chkdsk from a Windows system on it
20100809 01:38:07< Gambit> hmm it works from windows
20100809 01:38:14< shadowmaster> no, Linux can't do anything like chkdsk on NTFS volumes because it's not completely clear yet how to fix stuff
20100809 01:38:34 * Gambit puts it back on ubuntu
20100809 01:38:35< shadowmaster> but it will mount NTFS volumes as read-only to prevent problems if it detects that the volume has previously been marked as "dirty"
20100809 01:38:42< shadowmaster> which is what Windows does under some circumstances.
20100809 01:38:57< Gambit> Man I hate laptops
20100809 01:39:08< Gambit> I can't stand using anything that is slower than my machine these days
20100809 01:39:16< shadowmaster> it will mount them as read-only if it detects that it wasn't unmounted proerly (i.e. pulled the plug before removing it from Windows or Linux' GUI)
20100809 01:39:27< shadowmaster> you are lucky. My laptop is faster than my desktop.
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20100809 01:40:58< Gambit> Lucky?
20100809 01:41:13< Gambit> I answered a lot of phone calls and helped a lot of old people with their email to get this computer :P
20100809 01:41:35< Gambit> That's skill!
20100809 01:42:21< Gambit> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlel9hiod7i
20100809 01:42:50< Gambit> okay no dice on ubuntu again
20100809 01:42:53< Gambit> so chkdsk time
20100809 01:42:55< Gambit> joy
20100809 01:43:10< Gambit> In hindsight I should have booted my desktop into vista for this
20100809 01:43:15< Gambit> but oh well can't cancel now
20100809 01:43:21< Gambit> wooo one bar
20100809 01:44:16< shadowmaster> Gambit: I don't see the relevance of that trope for the current discussion.
20100809 01:44:52< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yeah I omitted my BITCHES! on "That's skill"
20100809 01:45:31< shadowmaster> http://xkcd.com/622/
20100809 01:46:57< Gambit> It was implied by linking right after...
20100809 01:47:12< Gambit> shadowmaster: Without looking is that the comic that "speaking badly and then acting smug when you're misunderstood" ?
20100809 01:47:26< shadowmaster> no
20100809 01:47:27< Gambit> Oh no it isn't
20100809 01:51:00< Gambit> I'm ashamed of myself for using chkdsk's gui
20100809 01:51:06< Gambit> I didn't expect it to be so retarded...
20100809 01:51:38< Gambit> also shadowmaster the file system is...
20100809 01:51:43< Gambit> (you're not going to like this probably)
20100809 01:51:46< Gambit> FAT32
20100809 01:53:09< Gambit> perhaps I should copy all the stuff off of it onto my harddrive and reformat it
20100809 01:53:23< shadowmaster> okay, that shouldn't ause problems at all.
20100809 01:53:27< shadowmaster> *cause
20100809 01:53:48< Gambit> well darn
20100809 01:53:57< shadowmaster> I also prefer the command line version of chkdsk since it usually tells me more about what's going on than Windows XP and later's GUI
20100809 01:54:04< shadowmaster> I kind of miss ScanDisk.
20100809 01:54:56< shadowmaster> the fsck backends for fat12/fat16/fat32 and ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystems on Linux can be as verbose as you want them to be.
20100809 01:55:02< shadowmaster> their command line versions, of course.
20100809 01:56:01< Gambit> shadowmaster: I guess I should've mentioned that it was in use on ubuntu when it started going bonkers
20100809 01:56:08< Gambit> that actually interrupted the copying
20100809 01:56:51< shadowmaster> uh.
20100809 01:57:31< Gambit> Important? No?
20100809 01:57:48< Gambit> It works fine on windows
20100809 01:57:59< Gambit> I'll try it on the wubi ubuntu after this
20100809 01:58:07< shadowmaster> I'm out of ideas besides running chkdsk /f or dosfsck -a on it
20100809 01:58:16< Gambit> maybe it's just the way this one OS is seeing it
20100809 01:58:25< shadowmaster> you could ask in #ubuntu too
20100809 01:58:35< Gambit> (standard "if that's even possible" disclaimers apply)
20100809 01:58:44< shadowmaster> I'm not familiarized with how ubuntu does stuff, and the contents of /media are very different from what I'd see here in Debian.
20100809 01:58:53< Gambit> Well I've got to wait for chkdsk for now
20100809 01:58:56< shadowmaster> *certain stuff
20100809 01:59:11< Gambit> I thought ubuntu was just debian with more guis?
20100809 01:59:24< shadowmaster> it's a ever-updated fork of Debian sid.
20100809 01:59:32< Gambit> Supposedly when you file an ubuntu bug report they just pass it over to debian
20100809 01:59:41< shadowmaster> besides whatever they decided to add on top of it, there are some functionality differences
20100809 01:59:56< shadowmaster> for starters, ubuntu locks all access to the root account for who knows what reason.
20100809 02:00:03< shadowmaster> users can't use su, and must use sudo instead.
20100809 02:00:18< shadowmaster> that artificial limitation that doesn't really help security at all doesn't exist in Debian
20100809 02:00:23< shadowmaster> it has never existed in Debian.
20100809 02:00:48< Gambit> Oh wait I don't need to try it on the desktop's wubi ubuntu
20100809 02:01:01< Gambit> I can use the laptop when it's done chkdsking
20100809 02:01:04< shadowmaster> Ubuntu doesn't rebrand Firefox either.
20100809 02:01:17< shadowmaster> mainly because Mozilla didn't decide to fuck Ubuntu like they did with Debian
20100809 02:02:12< shadowmaster> Ubuntu also uses that silly boot splash thing by default.
20100809 02:02:49< shadowmaster> but yeah, "Ubuntu = Debian + GUIs" is the understatement of the century.
20100809 02:02:58< shadowmaster> mainly because there are many GUI tools in Debian already that people don't notice.
20100809 02:03:00< Gambit> But by doing those things it does help ease the transition from windows
20100809 02:03:19< Gambit> [/just pulling things out of my ass]
20100809 02:03:23< shadowmaster> note that I started with SUSE Linux 9.1.
20100809 02:03:33< shadowmaster> and yeah, don't go around making uninformed conclusions, thanks
20100809 02:07:04< Gambit> hmm this sounds like what happened to me
20100809 02:07:05< Gambit> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/3620
20100809 02:07:10< Gambit> It came to bad files
20100809 02:07:13< Gambit> and stopped copying
20100809 02:07:17< Gambit> and read-only'd everything
20100809 02:08:00< shadowmaster> Gambit: pastebin your dmesg output btw?
20100809 02:08:35< Gambit> It's plugged into the laptop chkdsking still
20100809 02:08:59< shadowmaster> but you didn't shutdown the machine whre you were trying to use it, right?
20100809 02:09:16< Gambit> No
20100809 02:09:18< shadowmaster> so if it's still running the same Ubuntu session you can get the dmesg output nevertheless
20100809 02:09:26< Gambit> oh
20100809 02:09:54< Gambit> the output doesn't fit in the terminal D:
20100809 02:10:02< Gambit> a lot is lost in scroll back limit
20100809 02:10:17< shadowmaster> $ dmesg > foobar
20100809 02:10:26< shadowmaster> replace foobar with something like kernel.log or whatever
20100809 02:10:33< shadowmaster> then open that file with a text editor
20100809 02:11:23< Gambit> you want the entire thing?
20100809 02:11:34< shadowmaster> in a pastebin, yes
20100809 02:12:33< Gambit> http://pastebin.com/zEVuD61r
20100809 02:13:16< Gambit> lots of "invalid cluster chain" toward the end
20100809 02:13:30< shadowmaster> fglrx  o_O
20100809 02:13:43< Gambit> huh?
20100809 02:13:45< shadowmaster> you have an ATI?
20100809 02:13:53< Gambit> Yesss
20100809 02:14:03< shadowmaster> and yes, your external's filesystem is bad.
20100809 02:14:07< Gambit> (And I use the proprietary drivers)
20100809 02:14:14< Gambit> Aww
20100809 02:14:19< Gambit> I hope chkdsk fixes it
20100809 02:14:19< shadowmaster> not only that, but it also looks like it's physically bad
20100809 02:14:24< Gambit> :O
20100809 02:14:26< Gambit> But...
20100809 02:14:27< Gambit> it 
20100809 02:14:30< Gambit> works on windows :'(
20100809 02:14:35< shadowmaster> [24936.830889] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Unhandled error code
20100809 02:14:49< shadowmaster> this indicates a hardware problem
20100809 02:14:59< Gambit> aww  wtf
20100809 02:14:59< shadowmaster> not a filesystem problem
20100809 02:15:30< shadowmaster> also notice line 1521
20100809 02:15:43< shadowmaster> there it mentions that it's switched to ro mode due to a filesystem problem
20100809 02:17:16< Gambit> Because when one thing goes right, something else has to break...
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20100809 02:19:14< shadowmaster> brb
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20100809 03:00:41< Gambit> If I can get this external HDD working with minimal file loss I'm going to adopt a policy of "don't touch anything!" for a while
20100809 03:07:04< shadowmaster> My hobby: pestering the radeon devs over any minor thing.
20100809 03:07:32< shadowmaster> afk now. Hopefully my screen isn't fried too.
20100809 03:10:01< Gambit> today must be a universally unlucky day
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20100809 03:13:04< Espreon|Wii> Gambit: I'm bored, entertain me.
20100809 03:16:13< Espreon|Wii> Bah, how come when I come on, noöne's around?
20100809 03:17:50< Gambit> Espreon|Wii: Because we're sad
20100809 03:18:01< Gambit> My external HDD is trying to die on me
20100809 03:18:10< Gambit> and shadowmaster said something about his screen
20100809 03:18:29< Gambit> And Aethaeryn's house was destroyed in a lava flood
20100809 03:19:16< Espreon|Wii> Oh noez! Not shadowmaster too!
20100809 03:19:49< Gambit> [21:07:05] <shadowmaster> My hobby: pestering the radeon devs over any minor thing.
20100809 03:19:49< Gambit> [21:07:32] <shadowmaster> afk now. Hopefully my screen isn't fried too.
20100809 03:20:32< Espreon|Wii> Yeah, KMS stack/radeon probably does have a bomb...
20100809 03:23:19< Gambit> And phase 1 of chkdsk is... complete?
20100809 03:23:32< Gambit> err the bar is filling past its cap
20100809 03:24:14< Espreon|Wii> Gambit: Why the hell are you using Ubuntu again?
20100809 03:24:58< Espreon|Wii> Sabayon's teh shit, man!
20100809 03:25:42< Espreon|Wii> 'T even has all of your beloved proprietary drivers workin' OtB!
20100809 03:26:51< Gambit> aaaand phase 2
20100809 03:27:03< Gambit> Espreon|Wii: Actually said bar is on windows XP
20100809 03:27:13< Gambit> I'm running chkdsk on my external from my laptop
20100809 03:27:23< Gambit> And i'm using ubuntu because it's easier than your mom :o
20100809 03:28:30< Espreon|Wii> Hey, don't diss my mother! She's a hard-working grue crossing sign! What she does for the community is extremely important!
20100809 03:31:19< Espreon|Wii> Gambit: But seriously, Ubuntu? Ugh...
20100809 03:31:39< Espreon|Wii> I just hate Ubuntu...
20100809 03:33:48< Espreon|Wii> OK, this is getting boring... back to lurking EDF.
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20100809 04:43:03< Blueblaze> shadowmaster: have you talked to Espreon lately?
20100809 04:43:46< shadowmaster> Blueblaze: yes, why?
20100809 04:43:59< Blueblaze> oh okay, been trying to get ahold of him unsuccessfully
20100809 04:44:01< shadowmaster> in case you didn't know, his laptop's screen is fried, btw.
20100809 04:44:12< shadowmaster> so he only joins from time to time using his Wii or something
20100809 04:44:43< shadowmaster> Gambit: by the way, you took that quote out of context.
20100809 04:44:47< shadowmaster> now Espreon probably thinks my screen is fried too.
20100809 04:44:58< shadowmaster> (it isn't, duh)
20100809 04:46:27< Blueblaze> His Wii? wtf
20100809 04:49:26< Blueblaze> Interesting, our laptops are of the same brand, and model difference isn't too far off, my laptop
20100809 04:49:30< Blueblaze> His was 2 years newer than mine iirc 
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20100809 04:57:35< Gambit> I've had my fill of waiting on harddrives to do things...
20100809 04:58:44< Blueblaze> Gambit: get it fixed?
20100809 05:00:17< Gambit> Blueblaze: I'm still running chkdsk
20100809 05:00:33< Blueblaze> ecki
20100809 05:00:34< Gambit> 4/5 of the way through phase 2
20100809 05:00:40< Gambit> iirc phase 3 is really fast
20100809 05:00:58< Gambit> so hopefully within the hour I'll have some results
20100809 05:01:09< Gambit> At least the uncorrupted parts are accessable on windows
20100809 05:01:22< Gambit> ubuntu locks the entire thing down :(
20100809 05:01:33< Gambit> But it really sucks
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20100809 05:13:16< Gambit> haha
20100809 05:13:17< Gambit> [23:12:12] <lobby>     <king_alexandre> gambit took it down becouse he is a fag
20100809 05:13:55< Gambit> Awesome.
20100809 05:14:15< Blueblaze> ?
20100809 05:14:19< Blueblaze> it = ?
20100809 05:15:04< shadowmaster> Gambit: I hope you'll some day learn the difference between Ubuntu and Linux.
20100809 05:15:18< shadowmaster> particularly when it comes to blame people.
20100809 05:15:58< Blueblaze> shadowmaster: you have high hopes
20100809 05:16:37< shadowmaster> you think.
20100809 05:16:42< shadowmaster> ?
20100809 05:17:18< Gambit> it 
20100809 05:17:21< Gambit> = "situation"
20100809 05:17:24< Gambit> Not ubuntu
20100809 05:17:31< Gambit> and in the quote from the lobby it = "GEB"
20100809 05:17:38< Gambit> I'm not sure which it you all meant.
20100809 05:17:40< shadowmaster> Gambit: I didn't mean that.
20100809 05:17:47< shadowmaster> 23:01:23 <Gambit> ubuntu locks the entire thing down :(
20100809 05:17:57< Gambit> Ah
20100809 05:17:59< shadowmaster> the one that's locking stuff there is Linux's vfat module
20100809 05:18:06< shadowmaster> not Ubuntu's userland
20100809 05:18:48< shadowmaster> did you know that writing to a filesystem that has a damaged filesystem easily leads into more damage?
20100809 05:19:09< shadowmaster> I have had that with FAT32, NTFS and Ext3 partitions.
20100809 05:19:51< shadowmaster> two FAT32 partitions, one NTFS, multiple Ext3s. All of them due to different, occasionally ridiculous, circumstances.
20100809 05:19:56< Gambit> Well I'd like to copy stuff off
20100809 05:19:59< Gambit> and hopefully format
20100809 05:20:06< shadowmaster> only one of the FAT32 partitions I've ever gotten damaged was due to hardware failure.
20100809 05:20:25< shadowmaster> over 160 unreadable physical sectors.
20100809 05:20:30< Gambit> Maybe it's not a hardware failure
20100809 05:20:32< Gambit> maybe...
20100809 05:20:39< Gambit> it's a fluke :'(
20100809 05:20:46< shadowmaster> it's currently over 192.
20100809 05:21:10< shadowmaster> so don't forget that the more you use a damaged hard disk the more damage it gets.
20100809 05:21:37< shadowmaster> so now you know.
20100809 05:21:37<+shikadibot> And knowing is half the battle!
20100809 05:22:29< shadowmaster> I should burn my kubuntu ISO onto a real CD tomorrow.
20100809 05:22:37< shadowmaster> so I can resize and relocate partitions. here.
20100809 05:22:38< Blueblaze> Turok looks so cute with his wife 
20100809 05:22:48< shadowmaster> Blueblaze: Turuk.
20100809 05:22:55< shadowmaster> not Turok.
20100809 05:23:06< shadowmaster> I wonder if Gambit knows about this.
20100809 05:23:13< Blueblaze> oh Turok is the video game he enjoys :>
20100809 05:23:21< shadowmaster> yeah
20100809 05:23:43< shadowmaster> Gambit: poke poke :D
20100809 05:23:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yes I know he's married and that Blueblaze still talks to him and that he won't tell him to get on here :(
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20100809 05:24:07< shadowmaster> k
20100809 05:24:19< Blueblaze> oh I don't actually talk to him
20100809 05:24:24< Blueblaze> I just stalk his facebook profile
20100809 05:24:33< Gambit> ...
20100809 05:24:43< shadowmaster> I think you really meant s/to get on here/to talk to me, Gambit/
20100809 05:24:54< Gambit> shadowmaster: Well duh.
20100809 05:24:58< Gambit> Why else would he get on here?
20100809 05:25:01< shadowmaster> shikadibot: quickly, do something funny.
20100809 05:25:02< Gambit> :awesome:
20100809 05:25:05< Gambit> :whistle:
20100809 05:25:07< Blueblaze> wlolol
20100809 05:25:22< Blueblaze> on their honeymoon, Turuk read a book from the Warhammer series, his wife read a book from the Harry Potter series
20100809 05:25:25< shadowmaster> Gambit: he would get on here to talk to me before you even joined IRC.
20100809 05:25:46< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yes I know.
20100809 05:25:51< Gambit> Who do you think introduced me to IRC?
20100809 05:26:01< shadowmaster> Some fool.
20100809 05:26:22< Gambit> Of course it didn't really sink in what a great tool it was until months later
20100809 05:26:29< Gambit> but he originally told me about it
20100809 05:26:49< Gambit> *a month singular?
20100809 05:26:52< Gambit> I dunno
20100809 05:26:54< Gambit> time is blurry
20100809 05:26:56< shadowmaster> afk I'm going to make tea.
20100809 05:27:10< Gambit> phase 2 almost done
20100809 05:27:17< Gambit> Hopefully phase 3 goes quickly
20100809 05:27:23< Gambit> And it reports that if found issues
20100809 05:27:33< Gambit> and it magically fixed them because it's just that 1337
20100809 05:33:20< Gambit> Oh there is no phase 3
20100809 05:33:32< Gambit> or it went like lightning
20100809 05:34:08< Gambit> BOO YEAH
20100809 05:34:13< Gambit> I can see the so called corrupted images
20100809 05:34:23< Gambit> They were corrupted even on windows before
20100809 05:34:27< Gambit> EEZA MIRACLE
20100809 05:34:33 * Gambit plugs it back into ubuntu dekstop
20100809 05:37:40< shadowmaster> ?
20100809 05:37:57< Gambit> shadowmaster: waiting
20100809 05:38:08< Gambit> I went to properties and it's slowly estimating the number of files
20100809 05:38:33< Gambit> And I can delete :D
20100809 05:38:34< Gambit> YAY
20100809 05:38:43< Gambit> shikadibot: hug shadowmaster
20100809 05:38:44 * shikadibot hugs shadowmaster
20100809 05:38:52< Gambit> shadowmaster: hug shikadibot
20100809 05:39:14< Gambit> AI0867: Your bot's reaction time is *really* bad.
20100809 05:40:16< Gambit> shadowmaster: Thanks for the help
20100809 05:40:24< Gambit> I would not have known to take it to windows.
20100809 05:40:46< Gambit> Okay time for "Don't touch anything!" mode
20100809 05:40:56 * Gambit is not going to do anything he hasn't done before
20100809 05:40:58< shadowmaster> Gambit: STFU.
20100809 05:40:59< Gambit> for like... a month
20100809 05:41:03< shadowmaster> the bot's reaction time
20100809 05:41:05< shadowmaster> depends on network lag
20100809 05:41:10< Gambit> shadowmaster: I meant you ;)
20100809 05:41:14< shadowmaster> and on local lag.
20100809 05:41:37< shadowmaster> it responds in less than 500 ms ion my laptop.
20100809 05:41:43< shadowmaster> you can't expect that to be so on the Internet.
20100809 05:41:45< Gambit> shadowmaster: How did you not get that.
20100809 05:41:51< Gambit> [23:38:53] <Gambit> shadowmaster: hug shikadibot
20100809 05:41:57< Gambit> [23:39:14] <Gambit> AI0867: Your bot's reaction time is *really* bad.
20100809 05:41:57< shadowmaster> wait.
20100809 05:42:08< shadowmaster> Gambit: aaaah.
20100809 05:42:13< shadowmaster> okay, I deserve it.
20100809 05:42:19-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [+q *!*@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] by ChanServ
20100809 05:43:03< shadowmaster> I'm not complaining.
20100809 05:43:30-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [-q *!*@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] by ChanServ
20100809 05:43:39 * Gambit chuckles
20100809 05:43:51< Gambit> Okay so today went well
20100809 05:44:01< Gambit> Now hopeuflly the laptop doesn't shit itself during windows updates
20100809 05:44:05< shadowmaster> you know.
20100809 05:44:08< Gambit> then I can go to bed with all top notch stuff
20100809 05:44:12< shadowmaster> now I'm wondering.
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20100809 05:44:18< shadowmaster> why the hell has nobody written GUI frontends to run fsck on removable media
20100809 05:44:22< Gambit> shadowmaster: My dmesg output?
20100809 05:44:24< Gambit> oh
20100809 05:44:25< Gambit> :P
20100809 05:44:32< shadowmaster> normally I'd need to do
20100809 05:44:36< shadowmaster> umount /dev/sdc1
20100809 05:44:40< shadowmaster> fsck /dev/sfc1
20100809 05:44:43< shadowmaster> *sdc1
20100809 05:44:49< shadowmaster> but there's no GUI for the newbs.
20100809 05:45:08< shadowmaster> that needs to be fixed.
20100809 05:45:27< shadowmaster> dosfsck in my experience does well the same job as chkdsk
20100809 05:45:33< shadowmaster> sometimes even better.
20100809 05:45:45< shadowmaster> although nothing could recover my slightly damaged 256 MB pendrive which I later lost.
20100809 05:45:54< shadowmaster> probably at the computer room in the university.
20100809 05:46:00< shadowmaster> or maybe in some box in my bedroom
20100809 05:46:13< Gambit> it's clean :D
20100809 05:46:27< shadowmaster> protip
20100809 05:46:36< shadowmaster> FAT32 doesn't scale well with large partitions
20100809 05:46:44< Gambit> How large?
20100809 05:46:50< Gambit> 500gb large?
20100809 05:46:51< shadowmaster> especially if they have many files.
20100809 05:47:01< shadowmaster> Gambit: anything with many files.
20100809 05:47:07< shadowmaster> also FAT32 has a hard limmit of 2GB for each file IIRC.
20100809 05:47:22< shadowmaster> which doesn't apply to NTFS, Ext2/3/4, etc.
20100809 05:47:51< shadowmaster> also, I think that backup media should use journaled filesystems to provide more safety.
20100809 05:48:12< Gambit> oh so I should probably avoid putting videos on it? xD
20100809 05:48:15< Gambit> :\/
20100809 05:48:22< Gambit> *it won't let me do that
20100809 05:48:28< shadowmaster> FAT32 and Ext2 are easily corrupted by power failurwes.
20100809 05:48:38< Gambit> Well damn...
20100809 05:48:44< Gambit> I didn't know any of that.
20100809 05:48:53< shadowmaster> have had that both with magnetic disks (HDDs) and flash drives
20100809 05:49:16< Gambit> I wish the next step from the internet was here...
20100809 05:49:23< Gambit> People could just download their brains onto flash drives
20100809 05:49:27< Gambit> or select knowledge
20100809 05:49:31< Gambit> and upload it to someone else
20100809 05:49:41< Gambit> I'd love to know everything you all do :(
20100809 05:49:50< shadowmaster> Gambit: and cause fast wear of the flash drive?
20100809 05:50:07< shadowmaster> journaled filesystems don't do any good to flash drives, while at that.
20100809 05:50:34< shadowmaster> they are also not precisely optimal for solid state drives, although there are options to work around that on Linux, and I hear Microsoft also has something for that.
20100809 05:50:41< Gambit> sadly we don't even have harddrives capable of housing the human brain yet
20100809 05:51:20< Gambit> we're a little over 1/4 the way there
20100809 05:51:39<+shikadibot> THE MOAR YOU KNOW
20100809 05:51:46< shadowmaster> SDDs are cool
20100809 05:51:50< shadowmaster> but they are still somewhat unreliable
20100809 05:52:05< shadowmaster> particularly if they are going to be used a lot for writing data on them
20100809 05:52:33< shadowmaster> there is work in progress to solve that, but it isn't really accessible to us mere mortals of the consumer market
20100809 05:52:37< shadowmaster> yet
20100809 05:53:14< shadowmaster> so remember kids, always wash your hands and brush your teeth before going to bed!
20100809 05:53:17<+shikadibot> And knowing is half the battle!
20100809 05:55:44< Gambit> shikadibot: You're busted.
20100809 05:55:51 * Gambit glues half of you to a skateboard
20100809 05:56:10< shadowmaster> you is who?
20100809 05:57:04< Gambit> shikadibot
20100809 05:57:14< Gambit> Twas a Toy Story reference
20100809 05:57:33< shadowmaster> I reember that.
20100809 05:57:42< shadowmaster> remember
20100809 05:57:46< Gambit> When Buzz says something without any buttons being pushed
20100809 05:57:53< Gambit> Sid remarks that he is busted.
20100809 05:58:34< Gambit> s/Buzz/Woody/
20100809 05:58:48< Gambit> s/any buttons being pushed/his string being pulled/
20100809 05:59:17< shadowmaster> shikadibot: what do you think?
20100809 05:59:20<+shikadibot> NO U
20100809 05:59:31< shadowmaster> k
20100809 06:00:36< Gambit> day change
20100809 06:00:40< Gambit> that's my cue
20100809 06:00:45< Gambit> Night all
20100809 06:00:49< shadowmaster> what
20100809 06:00:54< shadowmaster> 23:59:30 <shadowmaster> k
20100809 06:00:55< shadowmaster> Day changed to 09 Aug 2010
20100809 06:00:55< shadowmaster> 00:00:36 <Gambit> day change
20100809 06:01:05< shadowmaster> Gambit: you are also at GMT-04?
20100809 06:01:12< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yeah
20100809 06:01:27< Gambit> s/night/morning/
20100809 06:01:30< shadowmaster> hm, okay, night
20100809 06:02:01< shadowmaster> the sun hasn't risen yet, so it's still night for me.
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20100809 06:02:21< shadowmaster> as far as I care.
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20100809 07:23:17< shadowmaster> where's Espreon when I need to have a laugh at people misusing the English language?
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20100809 07:51:45< Aethaeryn> kubuntu? really?
20100809 07:51:48< Aethaeryn> O.o
20100809 07:52:24< shadowm_kubuntu> Aethaeryn: what?
20100809 07:52:45< Aethaeryn> I thought you were a Debian person
20100809 07:52:50< shadowm_kubuntu> I am.
20100809 07:53:00< shadowm_kubuntu> and Ubuntu is a Debian fork.
20100809 07:53:09< shadowm_kubuntu> and shadowmaster and shadowm_laptop are still on Debian Squeeze+Sid+Experimental
20100809 07:53:27< Aethaeryn> Right, Ubuntu is a Debian fork. But it changes a ton from upstream.
20100809 07:53:33< Aethaeryn> To make it "easier"
20100809 07:53:52< Aethaeryn> So if you're used to Linux, you basically have to reconfig things back to the way things are on every other major distro.
20100809 07:53:55< shadowmaster> I beg to iffer.
20100809 07:53:59< shadowmaster> see #wesnoth
20100809 07:54:10< shadowmaster> reconfigure what?
20100809 07:54:14< shadowmaster> so far I don't see anything different
20100809 07:54:27< Aethaeryn> maybe Kubuntu is different.
20100809 07:54:30< shadowmaster> except maybe the sudo moronisy.
20100809 07:54:44< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: itins't.
20100809 07:55:02< shadowmaster> Kubuntu == Ubuntu + KDE Desktop + Kubuntu bran ding
20100809 07:55:09< Aethaeryn> No, I mean, maybe the difference between normal KDE and Kubuntu is less than the difference between normal GNOME and Ubuntu
20100809 07:55:13< shadowmaster> Xubuntu == Ubuntu + Xfce Desktop + Xfce branding
20100809 07:55:19< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: doubt it
20100809 07:55:31< shadowm_kubuntu> you know what
20100809 07:55:35< shadowm_kubuntu> I'll join #kubuntu
20100809 07:55:42< shadowm_kubuntu> and ask how to disable automatic updates.
20100809 07:56:12< shadowm_kubuntu> if those people can't answer then I'll "unconsider" kubuntu for blackcore and try something else
20100809 07:56:51< shadowm_kubuntu> also, the mirror with the Firefox packages is giving out 404s
20100809 07:56:59< shadowm_kubuntu> which sucks, because I can't install Firefox here
20100809 07:57:04< shadowm_kubuntu> this is a virtual machine btw
20100809 07:59:57< shadowm_kubuntu> quassels defaults are not impressive
20100809 08:00:28< shadowm_kubuntu> why anyone would use anything but a monospace font for IRC is beyond me
20100809 08:01:37< shadowm_kubuntu> and why the fuck does quassel use such large indent-
20100809 08:01:44< shadowm_kubuntu> ooooh
20100809 08:02:24< shadowm_kubuntu> weeee, an invisible splitter!
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20100809 08:12:39< timotei> shadowmaster: so... kubuntu on ... graycore?
20100809 08:12:42< timotei> wow
20100809 08:12:50< shadowmaster> timotei: NO.
20100809 08:13:00< timotei> oh, virtual machine then:P
20100809 08:13:08< shadowmaster> and I don't really use greycore nowadays
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20100809 08:14:29< shadowmaster> apparently there's nobody awake to tell me how the hell I disable auto-updates
20100809 08:15:36< timotei> auto-updates in kubuntu?
20100809 08:15:52< shadowmaster> yes
20100809 08:16:47< timotei> isn't that available to disable in: system/preferences startup programs?
20100809 08:16:58< shadowmaster> no
20100809 08:17:01< shadowmaster> wait
20100809 08:17:09< shadowmaster> I'd need to check
20100809 08:17:13< shadowmaster> and I already turned off the virtual machine
20100809 08:17:31< timotei> or in: Settings -> Edit Software Sources -> Updates -> Automatic Updates
20100809 08:18:22< shadowmaster> I'm now going to pull fglrx from Debian Sid.
20100809 08:18:35< timotei> and use it instead of radeon?
20100809 08:18:47< shadowmaster> I'm just going to try it out
20100809 08:18:59< shadowmaster> I don't think I'll ever switch to fglrx permanently
20100809 08:20:11< timotei> well, tbh, the latest fgrlx on sabayon
20100809 08:20:14< timotei> works... amazing!
20100809 08:20:41< timotei> I don't know what version is the latest, but I was happy when I didn't have to switch to radeon, in order for the youtube videos to work :D
20100809 08:20:46< shadowmaster> 10.7
20100809 08:21:29< shadowmaster> woo, so many other packages in Sid that I'm tempted to install
20100809 08:21:39< timotei> like?
20100809 08:22:19< shadowmaster> pretty much everything
20100809 08:23:03< shadowmaster> particularly gcc 4.5
20100809 08:23:05< timotei> and what stops you to do that?
20100809 08:23:18< timotei> ah... it seems Gambit almost 'screw' it yesterday :))
20100809 08:23:37< shadowmaster> well, that gcc isn't very well tested and...yeahz.
20100809 08:24:11< shadowmaster> I don't want to pull core libraries from Sid either, since I'll be following Squeeze right up to the point it becomes Stable.
20100809 08:24:14< shadowmaster> (then I'll switch to Testing again)
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20100809 08:33:43< shadowmaster> something didn't work
20100809 08:34:00< shadowmaster> segmentation fault? wtf
20100809 08:34:39< shadowmaster> wait.
20100809 08:34:42< shadowmaster> module fglrx not foun
20100809 08:35:22< shadowmaster> ahhh, I dkms build'ed, but not dkms install'ed
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20100809 08:38:46< shadowmaster> tearing asfsadfdsagdsa
20100809 08:41:21< shadowmaster> what exactly is so difficult about implementing vsync dammit
20100809 08:41:25< shadowmaster> damn you AMD, damn you
20100809 08:41:35< timotei> hmm, I don
20100809 08:41:38< timotei> I don't like AMD
20100809 08:42:17< shadowmaster> 02:20:11 <timotei> well, tbh, the latest fgrlx on sabayon
20100809 08:42:17< shadowmaster> 02:20:14 <timotei> works... amazing!
20100809 08:42:24< shadowmaster> sure about that?
20100809 08:42:35< timotei> shadowmaster: well, it just does his job...
20100809 08:42:37< timotei> I use Intel
20100809 08:42:43< shadowmaster> *its
20100809 08:42:50< timotei> its?
20100809 08:42:57< shadowmaster> yes, its
20100809 08:42:57< timotei> yeah
20100809 08:42:59< timotei> its job
20100809 08:42:59< timotei> :P
20100809 08:43:17< shadowmaster> OMFG.
20100809 08:43:18< timotei> when I'm referring to AMD I'm strictly talking about the processors
20100809 08:43:22< shadowmaster> they lied.
20100809 08:43:27< shadowmaster> supertuxkart still looks like shit with 10.7
20100809 08:43:53< shadowmaster> timotei: when I refer to AMD I refer to all of their divisions, including ATI which they aacquired some years ago
20100809 08:44:01< timotei> oh
20100809 08:44:02< timotei> ok
20100809 08:44:12< timotei> well, tbh, nVIDIA are too hot
20100809 08:44:14< timotei> ...
20100809 08:44:43< shadowmaster> I've heard that.
20100809 08:44:55< shadowmaster> but I want functionality and performance, not low temperature
20100809 08:45:11< shadowmaster> so I'm definitely going to get an NVIDIA the next tiem I buy a a laptop
20100809 08:45:13< timotei> well, a friend of mine, had the same hp as you, but with nVIDIA
20100809 08:45:20< shadowmaster> probably in at least one hundred years
20100809 08:45:27< timotei> tried the sabayon live cd, entered wolrd of goo
20100809 08:45:30< timotei> played about 5 mins
20100809 08:45:39< timotei> after that... his video card was screwed
20100809 08:45:43< timotei> just because HP+NVIDIA=SUCKS!
20100809 08:45:51< timotei> actually HP alone notebook suck
20100809 08:46:25< shadowmaster> ...
20100809 08:46:37< timotei> one sec
20100809 08:46:40< timotei> to show you the proof
20100809 08:46:43< shadowmaster> come on, give them an opportunity
20100809 08:46:48< timotei> http://hplies.com/
20100809 08:46:49< shadowmaster> that was years ago
20100809 08:46:57< shadowmaster> I've already been there
20100809 08:47:02< timotei> oh:D
20100809 08:47:04< shadowmaster> and if you consider what's happened to Espreon and I with ATI chipsets
20100809 08:47:14< shadowmaster> you might as well say that the same happens with ATI GPUs
20100809 08:47:22< timotei> umm, that's why I use DELL
20100809 08:47:37< shadowmaster> Dell isn't a GPU manufacturer
20100809 08:47:39< timotei> although, this days were some pretty damn cool offers with sony vaio
20100809 08:47:46< shadowmaster> and I certainly don't want another low-class GPU from Intel
20100809 08:47:54< shadowmaster> I had enough with a Intel 810 back in the day
20100809 08:48:16< timotei> no. I'm talking about DELL over HP
20100809 08:48:18< shadowmaster> and I heard Sony will void my warranty if I insert more RAM without asking their support services to do it for me
20100809 08:48:19< timotei> or ACER:P
20100809 08:48:22< shadowmaster> whereas HP doesn't care.
20100809 08:48:46< timotei> I still think for Apple and Sony /Alienware you pay pretty much just for their.. 'logo'
20100809 08:48:55< timotei> besideds functionality
20100809 08:49:44< shadowmaster> functionality here being lots of preinstalled software for windows?
20100809 08:50:02< timotei> umm, I'de never buy a notebook with windows on it
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20100809 08:50:15< timotei> I have already a MSDN ultimate license
20100809 08:50:19< timotei> so free legal windows
20100809 08:50:36< timotei> there are lots of dell with no os, or linux
20100809 08:52:46< timotei> <-- shadowm_laptop has quit (Quit: back to radeon) that means, no success with fgrlx
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20100809 08:56:41< shadowmaster> http://twitter.com/ShikadiLord
20100809 08:56:43< shadowmaster> that's why
20100809 08:57:52< timotei> oh
20100809 09:01:24< timotei> ok, now for macro definition show:D
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20100809 09:31:02< shadowmaster> okay, it's official. I'm addicted to Debian.
20100809 09:31:07< shadowmaster> and now I'm running Squeeze+Sid+Experimental :/
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20100809 09:31:32< shadowmaster> VLC from Sid, Iceweasel 3.6 from Experimental
20100809 09:31:42< timotei> where does Sid come from?
20100809 09:31:52< shadowmaster> Sid doesn't come from anywhere
20100809 09:32:13< shadowmaster> Sid is the unstable distribution and Testing (currently Squeeze) is composed of packages migrated from Sid
20100809 09:32:44< timotei> oh
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20100809 14:25:25< shadowmaster> remind me to kill mnewton1 for creating Ageless Era
20100809 14:27:46< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~/src/wesnoth-umc-dev$ du -sh branches/1.8/Ageless_Era/
20100809 14:27:50< shadowmaster> 154M	branches/1.8/Ageless_Era/
20100809 14:27:57< shadowmaster> He's really lucky that I have hard disk space to spare.
20100809 14:33:12< timotei> 154 is not that much
20100809 14:33:19< timotei> compared to your 2TiB hdd:P
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20100809 15:02:59< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yeah phpmyadmin made it really really easy to export and import.
20100809 15:03:09< timotei> hey Gambit 
20100809 15:03:15< Gambit> It exports the database to a series of SQL commands o_O
20100809 15:03:17< timotei> I've seen you had some fun moments yesterday :))
20100809 15:03:25< timotei> Gambit: you'd wanted binary?:))
20100809 15:03:38< Gambit> timotei: Yesterday was interesting...
20100809 15:03:44< Gambit> Almost lost Vista
20100809 15:03:50< Gambit> Almost lost 2 years of backups
20100809 15:04:18< Gambit> But I didn't thankfully.
20100809 15:04:47< timotei> :P
20100809 15:28:19< Gambit> shadowmaster: Welcome to the quassel
20100809 15:28:22< Gambit> We've got fun and games.
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20100809 16:37:53< Gambit> Is there a screen recorder for ubuntu or debian that isn't shit?
20100809 16:38:23< Gambit> I.E. one that works
20100809 16:39:26< Espreon|Wii> shadowmaster ; timotei: Actually, having "his" refer to "it" is the original way. But, those silly children are crazy about their silly neologisms, thus they like to use "its".
20100809 16:39:43< timotei> hey Espreon|Wii >:D<
20100809 16:40:07< timotei> umm, you can IRC from wii?:D
20100809 16:40:14< Espreon|Wii> You see children, "it" used to be "hit".
20100809 16:40:22< Gambit> timotei: It has a web browser
20100809 16:40:31< Gambit> timotei: And you could put linux on it
20100809 16:40:39< Espreon|Wii> timotei: Uh... yeah... I do so through Freenode's Webchat client.
20100809 16:40:59< timotei> aha!
20100809 16:41:10< Gambit> timotei: see: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/loadingreadyrun/1726-Installation-Anxiety-2010
20100809 16:42:34< Espreon|Wii> shadowmaster: What did you wish to share with me last night or so? Something about someone failing at English?
20100809 16:42:47 * Gambit wishes he could network his front door and his printer.
20100809 16:43:28< timotei> front door and printer??
20100809 16:43:30< timotei> w00t?
20100809 16:44:41< Gambit> "Paul. I mean this. Do *not* install linux on the toilet."
20100809 16:44:50< Gambit> "It's a partitioned file server now!"
20100809 16:45:27< Espreon|Wii> timotei: But in a serious, modern setting IRL, you probably should use "its" to refer to "it", for not everyone's awesome enough to know the truth.
20100809 16:48:06< timotei> Espreon|Wii: so I'm still knowing the truth deep in my hearth :D
20100809 16:48:38< Espreon|Wii> Uh... why would you keep it in your hearth?
20100809 16:49:01< timotei> nvm :))
20100809 16:49:08< timotei> it's a ... trope:P
20100809 16:49:24< Espreon|Wii> A hearth is meant to catch embers from the fireplace... not really a good place to keep things...
20100809 16:49:33< timotei> lol
20100809 16:50:51 * Espreon|Wii wonders if timotei knows about dental fricatives... if not, he should look at Wikipedia's article on dental fricatives...
20100809 16:51:04< timotei> for what?
20100809 16:52:34< Espreon|Wii> Just do it.
20100809 16:53:08< timotei> okok
20100809 16:53:49< Gambit> It's this tool that dentists use.
20100809 16:54:09< timotei> no
20100809 16:54:11< timotei> it's for IPA
20100809 16:54:39< Espreon|Wii> Uhhhh, a dental fricative is a sound... that happens to be in the English language.
20100809 16:54:53< timotei> Jesj, Jess
20100809 16:55:00< Gambit> what
20100809 16:55:01< Gambit> the
20100809 16:55:01< Gambit> hell?
20100809 16:55:02< Gambit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29lmR_357rA
20100809 16:55:04< timotei> uuuuu: Jess, Jess
20100809 16:55:44< Espreon|Wii> timotei: NO! The 1996 spelling reform does not apply here!
20100809 16:55:51< timotei> bleah
20100809 16:55:54< timotei> lies
20100809 16:56:08< Espreon|Wii> It is stupid and needs to be reverted!
20100809 16:56:24< timotei> so instead of (ss) to be ss?
20100809 16:56:33< Gambit> jeß?
20100809 16:56:38< timotei> sharfes-es
20100809 16:56:56< Espreon|Wii> We prefer to call it Eszett.
20100809 16:59:11< Gambit> ##linguistics
20100809 17:00:38< Espreon|Wii> Gambit: Nay, thou!
20100809 17:03:00< Espreon|Wii> OK, I have things to do... bye peoplez...
20100809 17:03:09< timotei> bye Espreon|Wii 
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20100809 20:09:17< shadowmaster> Gambit: say something funny.
20100809 20:09:36< shadowmaster> or find something funny for me that is safe for work
20100809 20:15:55< Gambit> shadowmaster: Uhh
20100809 20:16:04< Gambit> Something funny :D
20100809 20:16:25< Gambit> shadowmaster: I wrote a perl script that does the collatz conjecture
20100809 20:16:29< Gambit> Hilarios!
20100809 20:16:36< Gambit> *Hilarious
20100809 20:16:37< shadowmaster> wtf is that
20100809 20:16:41< Gambit> *Hillarious?
20100809 20:16:47< Gambit> Wtf why can't I spell this word?
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20100809 20:17:05< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collatz_conjecture
20100809 20:17:25< Gambit> Nope #2.
20100809 20:17:34< Gambit> It didn't look right at the time...
20100809 20:17:48< Gambit> shadowmaster: see also:http://xkcd.com/710/
20100809 20:17:51< shadowmaster> anything but maths
20100809 20:18:13< shadowmaster> "Iceweasel doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (also) isn't associated with any program"
20100809 20:18:17< shadowmaster> har har.
20100809 20:18:38< shadowmaster> learn to put whitespaces after certain punctuation signs
20100809 20:18:49< shadowmaster> just because it confuses my terminal emulator otherwise
20100809 20:19:21< Gambit> Oops
20100809 20:20:24< Aethaeryn> uh
20100809 20:20:30< Aethaeryn> Collatz conjecture is rather obvious
20100809 20:21:02< shadowmaster>   REMOVED: git-core 1:1.7.0-1
20100809 20:21:02< shadowmaster>     Package not in unstable
20100809 20:21:04< shadowmaster> WHAT
20100809 20:21:45< Aethaeryn> "turn an odd number into an even number and eventually you'll get 2/2"
20100809 20:21:49< Aethaeryn> Gambit: I don't see how that's magical at all
20100809 20:21:52< shadowmaster> ohhhh, it was superseded by git
20100809 20:22:04< shadowmaster> I hereby declare maths offtopic here
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20100809 20:22:18< Aethaeryn> :-(
20100809 20:22:27-!- shadowmaster changed the topic of #wesnoth-umc-dev to: Maths, linguistics and philosophy are off-topic | Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Project discussion and support channel | http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net | Staff: AI0867, Espreon, shadowmaster | Project @ SF.net: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev | IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org, http://irclogs.ai0867.net
20100809 20:22:32< Aethaeryn> OMFG
20100809 20:22:36-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [-o shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
20100809 20:22:43< Aethaeryn> Go ahead and ban computer science while you're at it.
20100809 20:22:44< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Everything you love!
20100809 20:22:46< Gambit> xD
20100809 20:22:55< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: nope.
20100809 20:23:03< Aethaeryn> Gambit: So, isn't quantum mechanics kinda odd?
20100809 20:23:16< shadowmaster> I mean, hi, I'm spending my fucking life with maths here
20100809 20:23:21< shadowmaster> I don't come to IRC to hear more of maths
20100809 20:23:29< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Light being both a wave and a particle?
20100809 20:23:38< Gambit> shadowmaster: But... it's perl :'(
20100809 20:23:42< Aethaeryn> Gambit: And other physics stuff like that?
20100809 20:23:51< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: You can't really separate mathematics from computer science anyway.
20100809 20:24:00< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: I can.
20100809 20:24:01< Gambit> shadowmaster: Why does var = <>; include the linebreak?
20100809 20:24:01< Aethaeryn> Half the code examples do something mathematical directly.
20100809 20:24:04< shadowmaster> because this is my channel.
20100809 20:24:04< Gambit> That is so retarded.
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20100809 20:24:14< shadowmaster> Gambit: it isn't retarded.
20100809 20:24:17< Gambit> But I finally used that s/// thing :D
20100809 20:24:20< shadowmaster> and you can chomp $var
20100809 20:24:40< shadowmaster> s/// is overkill for removing the trailing newline
20100809 20:24:41< Espreon|Wii> shadowmaster: Thank you!
20100809 20:24:41< Gambit> shadowmaster: can I var = chomp(<>); ?
20100809 20:24:41< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Does Boolean algebra count as math or comp sci?
20100809 20:24:52< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: +q
20100809 20:25:10< shadowmaster> hm. I destroyed my perldoc tree
20100809 20:25:45< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: no
20100809 20:26:00< shadowmaster> chomp returns the number of characters removed
20100809 20:26:02< Gambit> hmmm
20100809 20:26:08< Gambit> Can't modify <HANDLE>
20100809 20:26:11< shadowmaster> and the argument must be either a list of scalars, or a scalar
20100809 20:26:24< shadowmaster> or nothing at all, in such case it assumes $_
20100809 20:27:26< shadowmaster> Espreon|Wii: thanks for what?
20100809 20:27:49< shadowmaster> Gambit: consider it akin to doing   44++  in C or C# or Java...
20100809 20:27:52< shadowmaster> you simply can't.
20100809 20:28:05< Gambit> Because 44 is the highest number!
20100809 20:28:12< shadowmaster> no idiot
20100809 20:28:18< Gambit> Yes I know.
20100809 20:28:20< Gambit> 44 is a constant
20100809 20:28:21< shadowmaster> loonybot << (44++);
20100809 20:28:24<+loonybot> error: lvalue required as increment operand
20100809 20:28:26< shadowmaster> yep
20100809 20:28:30< Espreon|Wii> shadowmaster: For declaring maths off-topic.
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20100809 20:29:06-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [-o shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
20100809 20:29:17< shadowmaster> in case you couldn't tell
20100809 20:29:21< shadowmaster> I'm not in a good mood today.
20100809 20:29:40< Gambit> I wonder if there's anything special I need to setup on the server to use cgi web pages/scripts
20100809 20:29:59< shadowmaster> it won't assume CGI by default since it can be a security risk
20100809 20:30:13< shadowmaster> you need to setup rules to tell it what should be interpreted instead, and make sure it isn't too broad.
20100809 20:30:41< shadowmaster> if you have trouble grasping the "security risk" part, consider the following:
20100809 20:30:59< shadowmaster> some idiot writes a program in PHP or ColdFusion that allows uploading files to a web-accessible dir.
20100809 20:31:14< Gambit> Someone uploads a perl script
20100809 20:31:14< shadowmaster> some script kiddie writes a nifty CGI script to DoS your box and uploads it there.
20100809 20:31:23< Gambit> and then requests it
20100809 20:31:29< shadowmaster> then he tells people (or redirects people from shock sites, etc.) to go there
20100809 20:31:37< shadowmaster> voilà
20100809 20:31:46< shadowmaster> there you have a simple mini DDoS attack
20100809 20:31:51< shadowmaster> so now you know.
20100809 20:31:51<+shikadibot> And knowing is half the battle!
20100809 20:32:22< Espreon|Wii> Sigh... why can't everything important be on the east coast?
20100809 20:33:10< shadowmaster> I don't remember what rules I added here to run Perl CGIs.
20100809 20:33:26< shadowmaster> and I am not using Blosxom anywhere anymore, so I haven't needed to add such rules anywhere else.
20100809 20:33:43< shadowmaster> also shadowm.rewound.net assumes CGI by default. Fucking neat.
20100809 20:34:01< shadowmaster> I had to add a rule to prevent a certain dir's Perl scripts being interpreted as CGI.
20100809 20:34:15< shadowmaster> fortunately nobody can upload crap to that server.
20100809 20:34:20< shadowmaster> except me, via SSH.
20100809 20:34:29< shadowmaster> or SFTP, but I don't use that.
20100809 20:38:03< shadowmaster> you know what.
20100809 20:38:09< shadowmaster> I've decided what to install on blackcore.
20100809 20:38:13< shadowmaster> Debian Squeeze.
20100809 20:38:25< shadowmaster> wait, no. openSUSE 11.3
20100809 20:38:32< shadowmaster> wait, no. Kubuntu 2010.04
20100809 20:38:35< shadowmaster> wait, no...argh
20100809 20:38:48< Gambit> When shadowmaster makes up his mind, he makes up his mind!
20100809 20:38:59< Espreon|Wii> ... what about Sabayon...?
20100809 20:39:01< shadowmaster> I need to decide quickly
20100809 20:39:08< Gambit> What about Mint?
20100809 20:39:08< shadowmaster> next week I'll probably send bluecore away
20100809 20:39:15< shadowmaster> so I'll need something to run Maple on blackcore.
20100809 20:40:01< shadowmaster> "Linux Mint provides an up-to-date, stable operating system for the average user, with a strong focus on usability and ease of installation. It is recognized for being user-friendly, particularly for users with no previous experience in Linux."
20100809 20:40:07< shadowmaster> Gambit: sounds scary.
20100809 20:40:20< shadowmaster> then again openSUSE is also user-friendly and that was my first distro
20100809 20:40:25< shadowmaster> *SUSE Linux 9.1
20100809 20:41:03< Gambit> shadowmaster: It's also the top ajax suggestion for "linux"
20100809 20:41:10< Gambit> Even higher ranked than just plain "linux"
20100809 20:41:19< Gambit> err actually no
20100809 20:41:22< Gambit> it's second
20100809 20:41:29< Gambit> right below just plain "linux"
20100809 20:41:42< shadowmaster> Gambit: okay, I'll try Mint
20100809 20:42:51< shadowmaster> bleh, no southamerican mirrors
20100809 20:42:56< shadowmaster> I'll try australia
20100809 20:43:04< Gambit> Debian based
20100809 20:43:05< shadowmaster> hopefully they don't decide to censor Linux too
20100809 20:43:10< Gambit> With ubuntu's repo's.
20100809 20:43:13< shadowmaster> Gambit: I know.
20100809 20:43:24< Espreon|Wii> They'll censor anything...
20100809 20:43:32< Gambit> It sounds like their goal is to take Ubuntu's goal and then run even further with it.
20100809 20:43:48< Espreon|Wii> No, really, they'll censor anything they want.
20100809 20:43:49< shadowmaster> 230 KB/second
20100809 20:44:00< Gambit> shadowmaster: From austrailia o_O
20100809 20:44:05< shadowmaster> 132 KB/second
20100809 20:44:06< Gambit> shadowmaster: What's your normal transfer rate?
20100809 20:44:10< Gambit> Oh
20100809 20:44:11< shadowmaster> Gambit: I'm at the university.
20100809 20:44:18< Gambit> Ah
20100809 20:44:20< shadowmaster> so it can be anything up to around 1.5 MB/second
20100809 20:44:26< shadowmaster> on the wifi
20100809 20:44:49< shadowmaster> it's really fast for downloading from the chilean Debian mirrors, for example
20100809 20:45:06< shadowmaster> I could download all of Squeeze for upgrading from Lenny last November (December?) in less than 17 minutes.
20100809 20:45:11< shadowmaster> and that was over 2 GB
20100809 20:45:27< shadowmaster> (btw aptitude rocks.
20100809 20:45:29< shadowmaster> )
20100809 20:46:06< shadowmaster> since I've become a Debian fan I'll see if I can get a Squeeze snapshot from a Chilean mirror anyway
20100809 20:48:02< shadowmaster> hm. the snapshot is rather old.
20100809 20:48:22< shadowmaster> meh, I'll try Mint first.
20100809 20:48:35< Gambit> shadowmaster: Do you know why the splashscreen always gets the wrong resolution after installing the proprietary drivers?
20100809 20:48:52< shadowmaster> no
20100809 20:49:06< shadowmaster> #ubuntu
20100809 20:53:22< timotei> Gambit: there is a lot of fixes on net if you search for the problem
20100809 20:56:27< timotei> shadowmaster: classs?:D
20100809 20:56:39< shadowmaster> the smiley is not required.
20100809 20:56:57< timotei> ok, I'm sorry
20100809 20:57:01< shadowmaster> I'm busy pondering whether it's worth it or nto.
20100809 20:57:04< shadowmaster> *not.
20100809 20:57:16< shadowmaster> okay, I'll go before I can't find a seat, dammit.
20100809 20:57:18< timotei> hmm I'm overusing that
20100809 20:57:23< timotei> bye bye
20100809 20:57:42< Gambit> bye
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20100809 21:32:20< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: can we have a #wesnoth-social so I can stop using #wesnoth-music for maths, linguistics, and philosophy? I think they just don't get it there.
20100809 21:32:47< Aethaeryn> I found a #conlang chan on this network but that only covers linguistics
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20100809 22:42:48< norbert_> Blueblaze: http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31085
20100809 22:43:28< norbert_> people wondering if you'll port Empires, Survival Fusion, and other add-ons to 1.8 :)
20100809 22:43:42< Blueblaze> lol
20100809 22:43:43< Blueblaze> 4 new messages
20100809 22:45:05< Blueblaze> thanks
20100809 22:45:38< Blueblaze> ugh I have too many private messages
20100809 22:45:45< Blueblaze> so I can't view my new ones :|
20100809 22:45:51< Blueblaze> 200 message limit sux :<
20100809 22:46:03< norbert_> time to hit ye olde delete button
20100809 22:46:19< Blueblaze> meh, I just went off :>
20100809 22:46:26< Blueblaze> takes awhile to sort through what's important 
20100809 22:46:34< Blueblaze> because a lot of messages I get have important files in them
20100809 22:46:38< Blueblaze> so yeah, I'll just leave it be
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