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20100810 00:11:55 * Espreon|Wii freakin' hæts the Boost Guardian.
20100810 00:12:14< Espreon|Wii> He's ThatOneBoss... or whatever the trope's called.
20100810 00:13:47< Aethaeryn> O.o
20100810 00:14:10< Aethaeryn> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatOneBoss
20100810 00:14:16< Aethaeryn> There you go, you read it too much
20100810 00:14:52< Aethaeryn> meh, Air Man.
20100810 00:15:07< Aethaeryn> When I had Mega Man <whatever that one was> it was rather easy, even on hard mode.
20100810 00:15:14< Aethaeryn> Idk why people call it a difficult game.
20100810 00:15:40< Aethaeryn> Granted, I did read a little reference as to what bosses are weak to what, which kinda gave me an order :-P
20100810 00:16:10< Aethaeryn> I think there were harder ones.
20100810 00:16:14< Aethaeryn> Maybe that guy underwater?
20100810 00:16:19< Aethaeryn> With the bubbles?
20100810 00:16:24< Aethaeryn> Damn spikes.
20100810 00:19:50< Espreon|Wii> Aethaeryn: No, I don't. In fact, I avoid TVTropes as much as possible.
20100810 00:20:36< Espreon|Wii> Now to leave for a while...
20100810 00:23:25< loonycyborg> Probably that's http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HypeBacklash on Espreon's part :P
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20100810 00:28:28< Espreon|Wii> Eh... the Hive Mecha being ThatOneBoss? Not really... well... maybe for n00bs...
20100810 00:29:09< Espreon|Wii> I remember having trouble against it when I first started playing the game... I was much younger, though...
20100810 00:29:55< Espreon|Wii> Nowadays, I never have trouble with it. Now, the Boost Guardian and the Spider Guardian... ugh... I've cleared "Metroid Prime 2" many times, yet they can still kill me easily.
20100810 00:30:47< Valkier> Metroid never should have gotten a narrative.
20100810 00:30:50< Valkier> That is all.
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20100810 00:32:57< Espreon|Wii> Eh, I don't agree with the top choice for "Metroid Prime 3"'s ThatOneBoss... She wasn't really that hard... I never had trouble with her... Sure, she morphs a lot... but still... Maybe she's just ThatOneBoss for scanning fanatics... and I am a scanning fanatic... but... meh... IDK...
20100810 00:33:45< Espreon|Wii> Now... Rundas... is ThatOneBoss!
20100810 00:37:08< Espreon|Wii> OK... even though I thought I'd be gone for a while due to this browser being stupid (... it's not being stupid for some reason)... it's time for me to go for realz... Byez...
20100810 00:37:40< Espreon|Wii> Hopefully, this thing won't be stupid next time...
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20100810 00:48:01< Valkier> esr: Gasp! You're alive!
20100810 00:58:19< esr> Valkier: Youp.  Been off at World Boardgaming Championships since last Tuesday. I thought you knew that. 
20100810 00:58:59< esr> Alas, the Internet connectivity in Lancaster PA can only be described as teh suck.
20100810 00:59:25< Valkier> esr: I'm aware. The amish steal it all.
20100810 00:59:34< Valkier> But no, I was not aware you were there.
20100810 01:05:47< Gambit> Bah... I wrote this huge post and got 404'd on submit,.
20100810 01:05:59< Gambit> shadowmaster: Forums look down from here.
20100810 01:06:46< Gambit> Aaand they're back?
20100810 01:07:04< Gambit> I guess the third time *is* the charm,
20100810 01:07:20< Valkier> Gambit: Let me get you a drink.
20100810 01:07:29< Valkier> Have a seat over there.
20100810 01:08:17< Gambit> No
20100810 01:10:07< Valkier> Fine... :'(
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20100810 02:18:56< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: ask Blueblaze.
20100810 02:18:59< shadowmaster> It's not my domain
20100810 02:19:05< shadowmaster> also, AC adapter broke as usual.
20100810 02:19:11< shadowmaster> this is the second replacement adapter that breaks
20100810 02:19:37< shadowmaster> I'm now using the one from my father's laptop, since it has the same output and connector, since it's also for a HP Pavilion (dv4, mine is dv5) laptop
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20100810 02:20:07< shadowmaster> consider me afk for now
20100810 02:21:38< shadowmaster> I'm seriously considering replacing the laptop instead of spending money every two months on AC adapters.
20100810 02:37:08< shadowmaster> I'm not afk now
20100810 02:37:21< Gambit> my speakers are making some concerning noises
20100810 02:37:25< shadowmaster> Gambit: so, how's things?
20100810 02:37:29< shadowmaster> wait-
20100810 02:37:32< shadowmaster> noises?
20100810 02:37:49< Gambit> I can't figure out if it's some software, the sound card, a speaker wire, the power wire, or the speakers
20100810 02:37:59< shadowmaster> also, I'm now eating pineapple
20100810 02:38:05< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yeah they buzz every few seconds
20100810 02:38:05< shadowmaster> slices
20100810 02:38:27< shadowmaster> Gambit: the easiest way to check if it's software:
20100810 02:38:32< shadowmaster> reboot and enter the BIOS setup program
20100810 02:38:37< shadowmaster> leave the computer idle.
20100810 02:38:42< Gambit> or
20100810 02:38:43< shadowmaster> check if the speakers still buzz
20100810 02:38:48< Gambit> mute the sound in alsamixer
20100810 02:39:07< shadowmaster> right
20100810 02:39:14< Gambit> then I know nothing is coming from anything running on the computer
20100810 02:39:44< Gambit> It's the same buzz at a regular time period
20100810 02:39:56< Gambit> And yeah I muted it and it stopped :\
20100810 02:40:04< shadowmaster> COFFEE
20100810 02:40:12< shadowmaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_small_cup_of_coffee.JPG
20100810 02:40:15< Gambit> nope there it is hmmm
20100810 02:40:19< Gambit> shit
20100810 02:40:21< Gambit> that means hardware
20100810 02:40:22< shadowmaster> GOD BLESS WIKIPEDIA
20100810 02:40:28< shadowmaster> FOR THE AWESOME FOOD IMAGERY
20100810 02:40:40< shadowmaster> .d:
20100810 02:43:14< shadowmaster> it easily borders on food porn
20100810 02:43:51< shadowmaster> yeah, I know. shikadibot?
20100810 02:43:53<+shikadibot> People, we have...a TROPE!
20100810 02:43:59< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FoodPorn
20100810 02:47:36< Gambit> it's a short in the wire
20100810 02:47:41< Gambit> it happens when I jiggle the mouse
20100810 02:47:53< Gambit> the mouse wire is in the same big jumbly wire mess
20100810 02:48:02< Gambit> Or no?
20100810 02:48:03< Gambit> Bah I dunno
20100810 02:48:07< Gambit> too many variables
20100810 02:48:21< shadowmaster> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQ5MA
20100810 02:48:31< shadowmaster> Ubuntu users might be intereseted.
20100810 02:48:35< shadowmaster> interested.
20100810 02:49:02< Gambit> hmm
20100810 02:49:57< shadowmaster> I want to send to Debian statistics but I need to fix my MTA config first.
20100810 02:50:07< shadowmaster> statistics about the packages I've got installed.
20100810 02:50:50< Gambit> brb restarting
20100810 02:51:13< shadowmaster> and what about uptime?
20100810 02:51:19< shadowmaster> you don't care about your uptime‽
20100810 02:52:18< Gambit> hmmm
20100810 02:52:22< Gambit> I decided to just log out and back in
20100810 02:52:40< Gambit> I thought that killed all programs?
20100810 02:52:46< Gambit> And yes my quassel core was maintained.
20100810 02:53:00< Gambit> I wonder if it is maintained during suspend too
20100810 02:53:07< shadowmaster> no
20100810 02:53:11< shadowmaster> I mean, yes
20100810 02:53:19< Gambit> Okay unplugging speakers from sound card == no more buzzing
20100810 02:53:22< shadowmaster> but the ircd will disconnect you for obvious reasons
20100810 02:53:37< Gambit> But being an idiot I ruined the science experiment by also logging out and in
20100810 02:53:54< shadowmaster> so plug them back
20100810 02:53:57< Gambit> Yep
20100810 02:54:10< Gambit> Well as long as it's fixed idc about the cause I guess.
20100810 02:54:33< shadowmaster> it will come after you in middle of the night
20100810 02:54:53< Gambit> Hey the buzzing is gone :D
20100810 02:55:11< Gambit> It might have something to do with this thing I installed to make mp3s also have hover preview
20100810 02:55:13< shadowmaster> you can probably assume they weren't correctly plugged in then in the first place
20100810 02:55:20< Gambit> and then uninstalled because it was actually incredibly annoying
20100810 02:55:22< shadowmaster> well, that's also possible.
20100810 02:55:32< shadowmaster> exactly why anyone would want aduio previews is beyond me
20100810 02:55:34< shadowmaster> audio
20100810 02:55:47< Gambit> It was really helpful when browsing wesnoth's sound folder for a sound effect
20100810 02:56:00< Gambit> It sure beats waiting for one of these slow music programs to open
20100810 02:56:07< Gambit> (and yes I have tried your precious VLC)
20100810 02:56:22< shadowmaster> btw, don't forget that Ubuntu doesn't bother with making sure they don't ship buggy software
20100810 02:56:43< shadowmaster> it's often said that Debian Unstable is far more stable than Ubuntu's releases.
20100810 02:57:07< shadowmaster> I only know that Debian Testing or Debian Testing+Experimental or Debian Testing+Unstable+Experimental has never broken for me.
20100810 02:57:10< shadowmaster> ever.
20100810 02:57:31< shadowmaster> whereas openSUSE 10.3 shipped broken...not so much as Mandriva 2007.01.
20100810 02:57:34< shadowmaster> so yeah.
20100810 02:57:40< shadowmaster> Debian ftw.
20100810 02:57:40< Gambit> Tried mint yet?
20100810 02:57:47< shadowmaster> and anyone who says otherwise should be shot in sight.
20100810 02:57:49< shadowmaster> Gambit: no.
20100810 02:57:53< shadowmaster> I haven't downloaded it yet
20100810 02:58:03< shadowmaster> I'll get to it tomorrow at uni or so.
20100810 02:58:10< shadowmaster> Maybe this Thursday.
20100810 02:58:18< shadowmaster> Maybe next week
20100810 02:58:36< shadowmaster> maybe last Thursday.
20100810 02:58:43< Gambit> Man this sucks. Google has linux versions of just about everything except sketchup
20100810 02:59:24 * Gambit whines about having to use WINE
20100810 02:59:48< Gambit> Yeah that really wasn't as funny as I thought it'd be.
20100810 03:00:01< shadowmaster> what is sketchup
20100810 03:00:11< Gambit> Googles stab at 3D modeling software
20100810 03:00:18< Gambit> Aimed at architects
20100810 03:00:32< shadowmaster> also, VirtualBox is pretty much the killer app to have on Linux or Windows.
20100810 03:00:46< shadowmaster> especially if your CPU has AMD-V or Intel VT-x
20100810 03:00:52< Gambit> Yeah if only it wasn't a bandwith sucker
20100810 03:01:04< shadowmaster> Virtual[B[BVirtualBox isn't.
20100810 03:01:07< shadowmaster> not on Linux at least
20100810 03:01:16< Gambit> shadowmaster: I tried it the other day on wubi ubuntu
20100810 03:01:25< shadowmaster> and why do you care that much about your bandwidth?
20100810 03:01:26< Gambit> It dropped my transfer rate just like on Windows
20100810 03:01:30< shadowmaster> I'm the one with a traffic quota, not you.
20100810 03:01:32< Gambit> and that was without even installing a virtual machine
20100810 03:01:37< Gambit> just by installing the software!
20100810 03:01:41< Gambit> shadowmaster: Download speed
20100810 03:01:46< shadowmaster> that's funny, it seems the world hates you.
20100810 03:01:56< shadowmaster> because I've never had anything like that here
20100810 03:02:15< shadowmaster> not on wifi, nor on wireless-modem-thingy
20100810 03:02:30< Gambit> I've not yet tried it on Ubuntu-Installed-The-Right-Way
20100810 03:02:43< Gambit> Also my CF server is making http requests properly again
20100810 03:02:47< Gambit> Or mostly properly
20100810 03:02:49< Gambit> Better than before
20100810 03:02:53< Gambit> not quite as good as on windows
20100810 03:02:53< shadowmaster> consider that I can get around 1.2 MB/second at university
20100810 03:03:05 * Gambit jealous
20100810 03:03:12< shadowmaster> and the virtualbox module and services are always running on my laptop
20100810 03:03:17< shadowmaster> virtualization is always on as well
20100810 03:03:41< shadowmaster> it's really helpful to have Windows XP SP3 handy when some moron decides to force me to use Windows-only software
20100810 03:03:53< shadowmaster> especially classmates
20100810 03:05:25< shadowmaster> hmmmm.
20100810 03:05:28< shadowmaster> http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1770
20100810 03:05:50< shadowmaster> (you won't understand unless you have seen non-guest strips before)
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20100810 03:07:54< Gambit> aww it doesnt work in wine even
20100810 03:09:50< Gambit> oh wow
20100810 03:09:55< Gambit> the uninstaller doesn't work in wine
20100810 03:09:56< Gambit> ...
20100810 03:10:52< Gambit> This thing has got to be shitting me
20100810 03:13:18< Gambit> Selecting remove from the uninstaller switches to repair mode -_-
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20100810 03:17:52< Gambit> shadowmaster: And things are good
20100810 03:18:32< Gambit> learning perl (for real! not just cobbling togethor some copypasta)
20100810 03:19:55< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://pastebin.com/phCpKgxT
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20100810 03:30:39< shadowmaster> 21:30:32 -!- Topic for #wesnoth-umc-dev: Maths, linguistics, philosophy and comments on off-topicness are off-topic
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20100810 03:30:49< shadowmaster> I see maths there.
20100810 03:30:53< shadowmaster> you are frying my poor little brain
20100810 03:31:02< shadowmaster> Espreon|Wii: you heard the news?
20100810 03:32:13< Espreon|Wii> shadowmaster: No, what?
20100810 03:32:53< shadowmaster> http://twitter.com/ShikadiLord
20100810 03:33:01< shadowmaster> second from the start
20100810 03:33:33< shadowmaster> the first might also be of your interest if you are still considering buying something with an NVIDIA GPU
20100810 03:34:49< Espreon|Wii> So? I can still use the proprietary driver... and that <insert name of open source driver that has a Frenchie name here> seems to be doing fine.
20100810 03:35:24< shadowmaster> nouveau
20100810 03:35:30-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [+o shadowmaster] by ChanServ
20100810 03:35:47-!- shadowmaster changed the topic of #wesnoth-umc-dev to: Maths, linguistics, philosophy, comments on off-topicness, and anti-French comments are off-topic | Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Project discussion and support channel | http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net | Staff: AI0867, Espreon, shadowmaster | Project @ SF.net: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev | IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org, http://irclogs.ai0867.net
20100810 03:35:55-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [-o shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
20100810 03:36:08< shadowmaster> :)
20100810 03:36:33< shadowmaster> Espreon|Wii: opinions on the second?
20100810 03:36:56< Espreon|Wii> My response to both the new topic and the second one: Oh noez!
20100810 03:36:57< shadowmaster> I mean, I could be using greycore right now if it weren't for my father's laptop.
20100810 03:37:01< shadowmaster> s/c/w/
20100810 03:38:24< Espreon|Wii> shadowmaster: Also, how was I being anti-Frenchie? I just didn't know how to spell the name and I was mentioning the fact that it had a Frenchie name... none of the other nVidia drivers have Frenchie names... so... yeahz... that should help with the recognition.
20100810 03:42:27< shadowmaster> Espreon|Wii: you only reminded that to me
20100810 03:42:31< shadowmaster> don't worry, it's no big deal
20100810 03:42:48< Gambit> shadowmaster: It's not that hard really
20100810 03:42:54< Gambit> if the number is odd you multiply by 3 and add 1
20100810 03:42:58< Gambit> if it's even you cut it in half
20100810 03:43:03< Gambit> And keep repeating.
20100810 03:43:04< Espreon|Wii> No, it's a really big deal!
20100810 03:43:11< shadowmaster> Gambit: YOU ARE FRYING MY LITTLE BRAIN
20100810 03:43:14< Gambit> The theory goes that eventually all numbers will end up at 1.
20100810 03:43:22< Espreon|Wii> Gambit: SHUT UP!
20100810 03:51:05< Espreon|Wii> All right, byez for nowz.
20100810 03:54:37< shadowmaster> I just learned about decaffeination procedures.
20100810 03:54:50< shadowmaster> I think I'll stick to plain, caffeinated coffee.
20100810 03:55:14< shadowmaster> especially since I've had a stomachache for two days after drinking decaffeinated.
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20100810 03:57:08< Gambit> shadowmaster: in a regular expression you escape a space with "\ " right?
20100810 03:57:28< shadowmaster> not required in Perl in most cases
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20100810 04:03:09< shadowmaster> tvtropes needs better hosting.
20100810 04:03:11< shadowmaster> badly.
20100810 04:05:19< Gambit> shadowmaster: If I want to not match a regex is !=~ valid?
20100810 04:05:24< Gambit> (I'm guessing no)
20100810 04:05:53< Gambit> if ($line !=~ /[0-9][0-9][0-9] $self :-/)
20100810 04:06:13< Gambit> I don't want it to print all the messages from the server
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20100810 04:08:59< Gambit> oohh there's an "unless"
20100810 04:09:24< Gambit> That is awesome
20100810 04:17:49< shadowmaster> Gambit: you must use !~
20100810 04:18:02< shadowmaster> that's the opposite of =~
20100810 04:18:21< shadowmaster> why don't you ever read the documentation
20100810 04:20:57< Gambit> oh
20100810 04:21:00< Gambit> unless is cool though
20100810 04:21:23< Gambit> shadowmaster: whats wrong with /^\b/ ?
20100810 04:21:32< Gambit> word boundary at string start won't work :(
20100810 04:21:57< Gambit> s/string/line/
20100810 04:22:36< Gambit> And I do read the documentation when I can find it!
20100810 04:22:42< Gambit> Otherwise I just do random google searches
20100810 04:22:52< Gambit> Perl doesn't seem to have as many experimenting bloggers
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20100810 04:59:10< Gambit> awesome
20100810 04:59:30< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'm close to figuring out how to invent a pure perl combination replacement of franbot and janebot
20100810 04:59:52< Gambit> I just need to figure out how to combine thread queueing with a socket connection tomorow
20100810 05:00:36< Gambit> As I need one thread to monitor the forums and one to process incoming messages
20100810 05:00:50< Gambit> And both must be able to output to the socket connection
20100810 05:00:59 * Gambit excited
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20100810 05:05:45< shadowmaster> why can't you do that with a singlethreaded process?
20100810 05:10:38< Gambit> shadowmaster: Can you run two loops at once without threads?
20100810 05:10:44< Gambit> Maybe I'm missing something...
20100810 05:11:25< shadowmaster> consider the following
20100810 05:11:34< shadowmaster> Wesnoth isn't threaded, except for some networking code.
20100810 05:11:42< shadowmaster> just food for thought.
20100810 05:13:08< Gambit> "But how?"
20100810 05:13:31< shadowmaster> you want to learn
20100810 05:13:36< shadowmaster> or you want me to do your homework for you?
20100810 05:14:09< Gambit> well I found forking
20100810 05:14:13< Gambit> but that looks even more overkill
20100810 05:14:33< Gambit> As it makes an entirely new process
20100810 05:14:39< shadowmaster> you don't think Wesnoth forks itself all the time, do you ?!?
20100810 05:14:49< shadowmaster> especially when forking isn't available in Windows and Wesnoth runs on WIndows.
20100810 05:15:07< Gambit> shadowmaster: Well I don't have wesnoth's source right now, and I don't speak much C++ :@
20100810 05:15:11< Gambit> I don't even speak much perl
20100810 05:15:21< shadowmaster> this isn't about perl
20100810 05:15:28< shadowmaster> this is about software design
20100810 05:15:44< Gambit> sigh
20100810 05:15:46< shadowmaster> if you think you need multiple threads, reconsider it at least one hundred times
20100810 05:16:04< shadowmaster> threaded applications tend to suffer from all kinds of interesting bugs
20100810 05:16:13< shadowmaster> race conditions, deadlocks, etc.
20100810 05:16:42< shadowmaster> you can usually just craft an elegant main loop to do most things.
20100810 05:17:02< shadowmaster> in the case of a networked application there are wasys to synchronously wait for I/O
20100810 05:17:19< shadowmaster> and on Unix, you can also use timers and SIGALARM to wake up processes at designed intervals
20100810 05:17:41< shadowmaster> or you can just craft an elegant main loop to do most things.
20100810 05:18:07< shadowmaster> (note: elegant is the keyword here. Don't go and write 5000 lines of code wrapped inside a while/for loop. Write procedures for that.)
20100810 05:18:33< shadowmaster> (unless you are writing an OS kernel and you really, really can't figure any other way to work around hardware limits.)
20100810 05:19:02< shadowmaster> (still 5000 lines of code probably won't compile into something that fits most consumer-class CPU's instruction caches)
20100810 05:19:19< shadowmaster> (I'm using too many parentheses)
20100810 05:19:26< Gambit> "Write procedures for that."
20100810 05:19:28< Gambit> Huh?
20100810 05:19:34< shadowmaster> methods
20100810 05:19:37< shadowmaster> functions
20100810 05:19:41< shadowmaster> you know.
20100810 05:19:44< Gambit> oh
20100810 05:20:02< shadowmaster> I call them procedures because Windows' Win32 API got that term stuck in my mind.
20100810 05:20:16< Gambit> k. night
20100810 05:20:21< shadowmaster> it's still a one-size-fits-all term anyway
20100810 05:20:26< shadowmaster> don't go away yet!
20100810 05:20:32< shadowmaster> I haven't finished- oh, okay, go to sleep, take care, good night.
20100810 05:20:35< Gambit> sorry no choice
20100810 05:20:40< Gambit> parental interference ftl
20100810 05:20:50< shadowmaster> :(
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20100810 05:24:03< Blueblaze> hi
20100810 05:24:21< shadowmaster> hello there
20100810 05:24:37< Blueblaze> shadowmaster: The school I'm interning at is half a million dollars in debt
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20100810 05:29:29< Blueblaze> ugh, this means I'm going to be $45,000 worth of free labor :(
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20100810 05:32:07< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: only $45k?
20100810 05:32:25< Blueblaze> it's for half a school year
20100810 05:32:26< Blueblaze> so yes
20100810 05:32:36< Aethaeryn> ah, ok
20100810 05:38:22< AI0867> 45k?
20100810 05:39:40< AI0867> eh, I'm off
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20100810 06:11:58< norbert_> I just ran rm -rf * in my home dir
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20100810 06:12:14< norbert_> accidentally
20100810 06:12:36< norbert_> wanted to remove a directory instead of the content in that directory
20100810 06:12:45< norbert_> shit happens, I guess
20100810 06:13:12< norbert_> hit Ctrl-c fast, but who knows what has been removed :P
20100810 06:18:04< norbert_> anyways, I'm off
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20100810 06:45:07< Valkier> Blueblaze: Go to a real college.
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20100810 06:50:28< Blueblaze> never
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20100810 14:10:41< timotei> morning mr. Gambit 
20100810 14:11:52< Gambit> Morning timotei
20100810 14:13:36< timotei> Gambit: how are you doing?
20100810 14:13:41< Gambit> timotei: Good
20100810 14:13:46< Gambit> Yourself?
20100810 14:13:57< timotei> Gambit: it seems at least you got the guts to try different things :P
20100810 14:14:02< timotei> at last*
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20100810 14:14:13< Gambit> shadowmaster: Good morning
20100810 14:14:16< timotei> I'm ... fighting with the wml grammar, as always
20100810 14:14:17< timotei> :P
20100810 14:14:25< timotei> moarning shadowm_laptop 
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20100810 14:14:38< Gambit> WML; tis a beast
20100810 14:15:03< timotei> hmm, a beast that allowed me to participate in gsoc ;)
20100810 14:15:11< timotei> actually, enabled 
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20100810 14:24:28< Gambit> shadowmaster: [23:11:41] <shadowmaster> Wesnoth isn't threaded, except for some networking code.
20100810 14:24:33< Gambit> This is networking code. :o
20100810 14:27:01< shadowmaster> *some
20100810 14:27:03< shadowmaster> not all of it
20100810 14:27:26< shadowmaster> consider that umcreg isn't threaded.
20100810 14:32:32< Gambit> But... I just got threads working :(
20100810 14:32:37< Gambit> :D
20100810 14:32:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: I thought about it all night
20100810 14:32:58< Gambit> I couldn't come up with a way to get one thing reacting to a timer, and one thing reacting to incoming messages
20100810 14:33:45< shadowmaster> the simplest form of timing is a loop checking TS deltas
20100810 14:34:01< shadowmaster> so yeah, you need to go back to basic programming courses.
20100810 14:34:42< shadowmaster> learning Perl, or ColdFusion or C++ or Haskell isn't enough to learn *programming*
20100810 14:36:05< Gambit> shadowmaster: I couldn't come up with a way other than threads to have one thing acting on a timer and one thing reacting to incoming messages and both of them running simultaneously
20100810 14:36:15< Gambit> ^spelling correction
20100810 14:36:44< shadowmaster> your problem is wanting to have more than one thing in the first place.
20100810 14:36:50< shadowmaster> 08:34:01 <shadowmaster> so yeah, you need to go back to basic programming courses.
20100810 14:36:56< shadowmaster> 08:34:42 <shadowmaster> learning Perl, or ColdFusion or C++ or Haskell isn't enough to learn *programming*
20100810 14:37:23< Gambit> shadowmaster: Well if I made a seperate script to watch the forums how can I have it force messages sending in another script?
20100810 14:37:27< shadowmaster> if you want to use threaded tasks when it could be made simpler and easier to debug with a single thread process, you are free to do it.
20100810 14:37:44< shadowmaster> and no, I'm not going to do your homework for you.
20100810 14:38:02< Gambit> Exactly. So with what I know right now; this is the best solution.
20100810 14:38:26< shadowmaster> I suppose that you are of the "however it works" kind
20100810 14:38:37< shadowmaster> I am of the "however it works and looks best" kind.
20100810 14:38:54< Gambit> "Threads are cool"
20100810 14:39:00< timotei> Gambit: use them wisely
20100810 14:39:05< Gambit> Cooler than bowties!
20100810 14:39:56< shadowmaster> you could try asking Sirp the why's and why not's of multithread programming
20100810 14:40:27< loonycyborg> Don't use threads unless you really need to. Multi-threaded programming is mind screw incarnate :P
20100810 14:40:49< shadowmaster> Gambit: there you have, three experienced programmers telling you the same thing.
20100810 14:41:04< shadowmaster> again, I aim for elegance, you aim for crap that works.
20100810 14:41:09 * shadowmaster shrugs
20100810 14:41:10< Gambit> I am aware of the dangers, but I don't think they apply here as the only thing they have in common is outputting to the socket :\
20100810 14:41:18< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'm still learning the language
20100810 14:41:19< timotei> flooding?
20100810 14:41:23< timotei> resulting in breakage?
20100810 14:41:42< timotei> wanna get your 'socket' fried?
20100810 14:41:43< Gambit> I don't know anything elegant right now :@
20100810 14:42:11< timotei> I need an antlr expert :))
20100810 14:42:14< timotei> maybe martin fowler
20100810 14:44:18< timotei> shadowmaster: give me an idea where to vanish my frustration?
20100810 14:44:57< Gambit> timotei: http://www.minecraft.net
20100810 14:45:05< timotei> no game till 20 August.
20100810 14:45:08< timotei> no games*
20100810 14:45:36< Gambit> It's not a game. It's a frustation vanishing spa retreat that looks like a video game.
20100810 14:45:49< shadowmaster> Gambit: how many times do I have to tell you that it isn't a language problem.
20100810 14:46:04< shadowmaster> 08:34:01 <shadowmaster> so yeah, you need to go back to basic programming courses.
20100810 14:46:08< shadowmaster> 08:34:42 <shadowmaster> learning Perl, or ColdFusion or C++ or Haskell isn't enough to learn *programming*
20100810 14:46:09< Gambit> Right it's a basic computer logic problem. Forgot.
20100810 14:46:39< shadowmaster> anyway, I'm off to watch a movie now.
20100810 14:46:47< Gambit> Have fun
20100810 14:46:55< shadowmaster> sure I'll do!
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20100810 14:51:46< timotei> Gambit: what do you have to do?
20100810 14:52:25< Gambit> timotei: Well right now with the coldfusion bot I actually have two bots
20100810 14:52:35< Gambit> one is integrated with the server via event gateways
20100810 14:52:50< Gambit> That one is capable of using the server's scheduled task engine
20100810 14:53:03< Gambit> But it is single channelular
20100810 14:53:37< Gambit> The other one is much free-er but cannot use the scheduled tasks
20100810 14:53:55< timotei> so??
20100810 14:54:06< Gambit> so for forum reporting I actually have the first bot use the second bot's "!tell" command
20100810 14:54:23< Gambit> It's not actually a problem at all.
20100810 14:54:41< Gambit> But as a learning exercise I'm trying to write the equivalent of both combined in perl
20100810 14:55:23< timotei> umm... 'learning exercise'?:))
20100810 14:55:31< timotei> perl I don't think it's the best for learning exercise
20100810 14:55:39< Gambit> So I need something that checks things on a timer and then sends some output through the socket connection
20100810 14:55:53< Gambit> And something that gets input from the socket connection and sends output of its own
20100810 14:56:00< timotei> just listen to the socket?
20100810 14:57:56< timotei> you don't need threads for that
20100810 14:57:59< Gambit> timotei: I need two whiles running at once
20100810 14:58:08< timotei> for each bot?
20100810 14:58:15< Gambit> No, this will be one bot.
20100810 14:58:21< Gambit> Performing both tasks
20100810 14:58:24< timotei> so, why two?
20100810 14:58:44< Gambit> One is checking twitter every 2 minutes and on every 5th check it'll check the forums
20100810 14:58:49< Gambit> the other is reacting to incoming messages
20100810 14:58:55< timotei> that bullshit
20100810 14:58:57< timotei> no offense
20100810 14:59:31< Gambit> So I'm told. :P
20100810 14:59:43< timotei> in the way, it shouldn't be dont that way
20100810 14:59:48< timotei> you just add a listener
20100810 14:59:58< timotei> and that will ping back when he's got things
20100810 15:01:11< timotei> and the checking.. should be done with sleeping
20100810 15:01:14< timotei> or stuff like that
20100810 15:01:21< timotei> so no thread needed
20100810 15:01:32< timotei> but as shadowmaster told you: http://academicearth.org/subjects/computer-science/page:1/category:14/sort:rating/direction:desc
20100810 15:01:37< Gambit> sleep puts the entire program to rest no?
20100810 15:01:44< timotei> current thread
20100810 15:01:50< Gambit> err yeah
20100810 15:01:56< Gambit> Which without threads is the entire program,
20100810 15:02:04< timotei> no
20100810 15:02:04< Gambit> But I still want message processing to be active
20100810 15:02:07< timotei> is the main thread :))
20100810 15:02:21< timotei> hmm
20100810 15:02:31< Gambit> hence.... threads :o
20100810 15:02:37< timotei> perl should have it's own 'timer' stuff
20100810 15:02:41< Gambit> timotei: I am doing the timed things with sleep
20100810 15:02:46< Gambit> btw
20100810 15:02:53< timotei> and it's called events!
20100810 15:02:54< timotei> :D
20100810 15:04:39< timotei> http://dev.perl.org/perl6/rfc/87.html
20100810 15:04:45< Gambit> [event]name=message_recieved first_time_only=no {PROCESS_MESSAGE $inboundmessage}[/event] :o
20100810 15:04:58< timotei> wml?
20100810 15:05:09< Gambit> oh not that kind of events? :P
20100810 15:05:21< Gambit> timotei: Yeah
20100810 15:05:26< timotei> I was just throwing things out
20100810 15:05:37< timotei> that are related to what you want to do
20100810 15:05:46< timotei> in C# there are so called timers, that calls a certain method at x ms
20100810 15:05:50< Gambit> I do like the look of that link
20100810 15:05:50< timotei> http://perldoc.perl.org/Time/HiRes.html
20100810 15:07:19< timotei> Gambit: http://www.issociate.de/board/post/465157/How_Does_One_Implement_a_Timer_in_Perl?.html
20100810 15:07:23< timotei> google is your friend:P
20100810 15:07:47< Gambit> Only when you know what you're looking for
20100810 15:07:55< timotei> :))
20100810 15:07:59< timotei> hmm, yes and no
20100810 15:08:06< timotei> by time you'll get used to search on google
20100810 15:08:24< timotei> I'm just 20, but if I need to do something I've never heard of, google will help me
20100810 15:08:33< timotei> +/- ideas from others
20100810 15:08:45< timotei> anyway, I'm going to try the grammar
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20100810 18:15:02< timotei> Espreon|Wii: I have an idea
20100810 18:15:11< timotei> Espreon|Wii: for testing who's fried: the GPU or screen
20100810 18:15:24< timotei> Espreon|Wii: try hooking an external monitor to your notebook
20100810 18:18:37< Espreon|Wii> Don't have one.
20100810 18:19:05< Espreon|Wii> If I had one... wouldn't you think that I already would have done that!
20100810 18:20:26< Espreon|Wii> Besides, we're getting a desktop with an nVidia card... leave it alone...
20100810 18:20:52< Espreon|Wii> Years later, if it is the screen, we can all just laugh at it... and nothing of value would be lost.
20100810 18:23:23< Espreon|Wii> timotei: ... seriously...
20100810 18:23:40< timotei> oh
20100810 18:24:12< timotei> Espreon|Wii: don't take it offense, but you don't have any friends/ people around you that could 'borrow' or come hand you for 1 hours a monitor?
20100810 18:25:04< Espreon|Wii> Didn't I say to leave it alone? WE ARE GETTING A DESKTOP WITH AN NVIDIA CARD DUE TO THIS!
20100810 18:26:08< timotei> oh, nice:D
20100810 18:26:21< timotei> I was just trying to 'consolate' you :(
20100810 18:26:33< timotei> wouldn't it be nice to have 2 computers?
20100810 18:26:38< timotei> okok
20100810 18:26:41< timotei> I'm done :P
20100810 18:26:49< Espreon|Wii> If it turned out to be the screen, God knows what would happen...
20100810 18:27:21< timotei> well, God know eveything;)
20100810 18:27:23< Gambit> When his new computer gets here he can use its monitor
20100810 18:27:30< Gambit> unless it's DVI
20100810 18:27:32< timotei> yeah
20100810 18:27:35< timotei> so what?
20100810 18:27:35< Gambit> and his laptop only has VGA out
20100810 18:27:40< timotei> vGA to dvi
20100810 18:27:43< timotei> it's a common adaptor;)
20100810 18:27:46< timotei> I have one
20100810 18:27:55< Gambit> timotei: Yeah but then he'd have to wait for the adaptor to get here and meh
20100810 18:28:00< Gambit> actually the monitor should have both in
20100810 18:28:00< timotei> ...
20100810 18:28:02< Gambit> and come with both cables
20100810 18:28:05< timotei> Espreon|Wii: where you live?
20100810 18:35:18< timotei> umm, people seems so 'real' on irc sometimes :))
20100810 18:35:28< timotei> they make me laugh (in a good way)
20100810 18:37:37< Espreon|Wii> timotei: I live in Pennsylvania.
20100810 18:37:45< timotei> Espreon|Wii: you're near Gam
20100810 18:37:47< timotei> Gambit:P
20100810 18:37:56< Gambit> yeah
20100810 18:38:22< Espreon|Wii> timotei: I knew that.
20100810 18:38:27< timotei> ok
20100810 18:38:45< Gambit> Your coolness can be measured by how close you live to 3sr
20100810 18:38:53 * Espreon|Wii just loves how timotei is so oblivious to his situation...
20100810 18:39:10< timotei> oblivious?
20100810 18:39:19 * timotei searches on google
20100810 18:39:33< timotei> oh, oblivious
20100810 18:43:00< Espreon|Wii> timotei: I'm a seventeen-year-old highschool student. I have no job and no reliable source of income, thus there aren't that many ways for me to get things. You see, in the case of the desktop, I'm exploiting my parents' stupidity with these things, thus I didn't tell them that we could just use another monitor to test. If they found out, they'll just get a VGA/whatever cable and use the downstairs TV as a monitor. Not good.
20100810 18:43:50< timotei> Espreon|Wii: I understand you :)
20100810 18:44:01< timotei> Espreon|Wii: I'm just 3 years older than you:P
20100810 18:45:21< timotei> Espreon|Wii: but I'm happy you getting a new PC:)
20100810 18:45:35< Espreon|Wii> Mein Gott! Why do you use emoticons all the freakin' time?
20100810 18:45:36< timotei> Espreon|Wii: I once lived an entire holiday without one (3 months)
20100810 18:45:42< timotei> Bad habbit
20100810 18:45:52< timotei> do you know any cure?
20100810 18:46:08< Espreon|Wii> Gasp! Three months? How could you survive?
20100810 18:46:14< timotei> Espreon|Wii: reading?
20100810 18:46:22< timotei> Espreon|Wii: reading is very nice
20100810 18:46:28< Espreon|Wii> Bless thy mind with Encyclopædia Dramatica.
20100810 18:46:36< timotei> hmm...
20100810 18:46:38< timotei> ok
20100810 18:47:41< Espreon|Wii> Pffft... reading... I can't get my hands on good books on the topics in which I am interested.
20100810 18:48:13< timotei> uh...
20100810 18:48:35< timotei> good books?
20100810 18:48:38< timotei> there are a lot
20100810 18:48:42< timotei> just go to the library,
20100810 18:48:51< timotei> pick 3-4 books you seem to like at first
20100810 18:48:55< timotei> and read them
20100810 18:48:56< Espreon|Wii> ... not on the topics in which I'm interested.
20100810 18:49:11< timotei> read literature!
20100810 18:49:19< Espreon|Wii> Noöne cares enough about the topics I like.
20100810 18:49:21< timotei> what topics are you interestined?
20100810 18:49:29< timotei> interested*
20100810 18:49:53< Espreon|Wii> Old English, Old Norse, Gothic, runes, Germanic linguistics...
20100810 18:50:15< timotei> Espreon|Wii: and there is no freaking library where you can see that?
20100810 18:50:18< timotei> in pennsylvania?
20100810 18:51:00< timotei> Doug Kaufman
20100810 18:51:02< timotei> Weight of Revenge
20100810 18:51:05< timotei> The Battle for Wesnoth OST
20100810 18:51:06< timotei> 2010
20100810 18:51:12< Espreon|Wii> Tch... I doubt any of my local bookhouses carry such things.
20100810 18:51:23< timotei> they should
20100810 18:51:44< Espreon|Wii> Besides, how the hell do I get to my local bookhouses?
20100810 18:52:19< timotei> what's that hard?
20100810 18:52:58< timotei> Espreon: http://www.publiclibraries.com/pennsylvania.htm
20100810 18:53:03< Espreon|Wii> Yeah... I only have my legs.
20100810 18:53:12< timotei> Espreon: what county you're in?
20100810 18:53:36 * Espreon|Wii facepalms
20100810 18:54:01< Espreon|Wii> timotei: Pennsylvania is a state... of the United States of America.
20100810 18:54:12< timotei> of course!
20100810 18:54:18< timotei> but a state has counties...
20100810 18:54:40< timotei> so you must belong to a county in tha state
20100810 18:54:41< timotei> isn't it?
20100810 18:54:52< Espreon|Wii> Oh... "county"... damn mine eyes...
20100810 18:55:00< timotei> :P
20100810 18:55:25< Espreon|Wii> Oh, I'm not revealing that information.
20100810 18:55:37< timotei> oh, ok
20100810 18:55:38< Espreon|Wii> Hey, I have myopia!
20100810 18:55:42< timotei> me too
20100810 18:55:48< timotei> myopia is cooler than hipermetropya
20100810 18:55:55< timotei> hypermetropia
20100810 18:56:03< timotei> then search yourself in that list
20100810 18:56:06< Espreon|Wii> I don't need Gambit slithering his way near me.
20100810 18:56:51< timotei> no problem
20100810 18:57:44< Espreon|Wii> timotei: It doesn't matter if I know where my bookhouses are... getting to them is the problem.
20100810 18:57:57< timotei> well, is that hard to take 30 mins to walk?
20100810 18:58:39< Espreon|Wii> OK, first of all, I bet that a walk to any of them would be at least sixty minutes... and I'd have to walk on dangerous roads...
20100810 18:59:06< timotei> oh, ok. I understand then :)
20100810 18:59:20< timotei> you should have told me that before:P
20100810 18:59:26< timotei> (damn smileys)
20100810 18:59:52< Espreon|Wii> What? You thought that I lived in one of those shitty midget "houses" in the city?
20100810 19:00:40< timotei> yes and no
20100810 19:00:43< Gambit> Espreon|Wii: I don't slither
20100810 19:00:44< Gambit> I bike
20100810 19:00:46< timotei> I like to live in the county
20100810 19:01:28< Espreon|Wii> I live at the edge of my county...
20100810 19:01:47< timotei> I dare to say: so what?
20100810 19:01:49< Espreon|Wii> Gambit: Well, regardless, I don't need you in mah county.
20100810 19:02:01< timotei> if I'd really want to read book, I'd go
20100810 19:02:01< Espreon|Wii> timotei: So? So? IDK.
20100810 19:02:09< timotei> dangerous by thiefs?
20100810 19:02:10< timotei> or animals?
20100810 19:02:17< Espreon|Wii> Well, I have... the Internet!
20100810 19:02:44< Espreon|Wii> timotei: Dangerous as in they're major roads with inadequate walking space.
20100810 19:02:53< timotei> that's NOT dangerous damn it
20100810 19:02:57< timotei> you should come in romania
20100810 19:03:03< timotei> you'll see a lot of that
20100810 19:03:05< Espreon|Wii> Cars going at least forty-five MPH...
20100810 19:03:07< timotei> in CITIES!
20100810 19:03:21< Gambit> Espreon|Wii: You should tell me which county that is so I don't accidentally bike over there :D
20100810 19:03:28< timotei> haha
20100810 19:03:42< Gambit> timotei: 3 threads now
20100810 19:03:43< Espreon|Wii> timotei: Why the hell would I want to go to Romania? There's nothing there for me.
20100810 19:03:46< Gambit> One of them takes terminal input
20100810 19:03:50< timotei> Gambit: noob
20100810 19:03:50< timotei> :))
20100810 19:03:51< Gambit> and sends it through the connection :D
20100810 19:04:02< Espreon|Wii> Gambit: ... no...
20100810 19:04:08< timotei> Espreon|Wii: I was just telling you that your situation is not much bad 
20100810 19:04:35< Espreon|Wii> Well, I have the Internet...
20100810 19:04:47< Gambit> Espreon|Wii: Put linux on your wii
20100810 19:04:59< Gambit> It might just barely run xubuntu :D
20100810 19:05:16< Gambit> *xubuntu-netbook
20100810 19:05:25< timotei> btw
20100810 19:05:26< timotei> Espreon|Wii: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DaciaLogan.jpg
20100810 19:05:32< timotei> you might want to come here for that!
20100810 19:05:34< timotei> Gambit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DaciaLogan.jpg
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20100810 19:05:47< katebot> HA!
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20100810 19:05:55< timotei> kate
20100810 19:05:55< timotei> grrrrr
20100810 19:05:57< timotei> :))
20100810 19:07:04< timotei> grr
20100810 19:07:09< Espreon|Wii> timotei: So?
20100810 19:07:14< timotei> it's a nice car
20100810 19:07:23< Gambit> Oh I forgot the main defficiency of doing this pure perl
20100810 19:07:30< Gambit> Every change requires a restart
20100810 19:07:36 * Gambit must learn the way around that
20100810 19:08:08< Espreon|Wii> timotei: It's a car... they get people to places... big deal...
20100810 19:08:42< timotei> ok
20100810 19:11:10< Espreon|Wii> In conclusion, I'm pretty damn sure that there's nothing for me in Romania... and there never will be.
20100810 19:11:38< timotei> ok
20100810 19:12:24< Gambit> Espreon|Wii: But... there's... timotei. :(
20100810 19:12:44< Gambit> Espreon|Wii: Isn't he enough? :'(
20100810 19:13:08< Espreon|Wii> No.
20100810 19:13:34< Espreon|Wii> Iceland's good enough for me...
20100810 19:19:05< timotei> Gambit: I know Espreon|Wii is hearthless
20100810 19:19:49< timotei> heart*
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20100810 19:22:00< Gambit> He doesn't have a hearth either.
20100810 19:22:41< timotei> y
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20100810 19:27:07< Espreon|Wii> Gambit ; timotei: Actually, I do have a hearth.
20100810 19:27:16< timotei> ah, good to know;)
20100810 19:27:27< Espreon|Wii> As for my heart, it's on vacation till we get our desktop.
20100810 19:28:31< timotei> ok
20100810 19:28:35< Espreon|Wii> Yay, Nintendo finally got my order...
20100810 19:29:07< Espreon|Wii> Now I just have to wait for three days to get my controllers...
20100810 19:30:12< Espreon|Wii> Bah, tomorrow's Wodenesdæg... I hate Wodenesdæg... Bah, the suckiness will go away after this one...
20100810 19:30:43< Gambit> You gave money to nintendo?
20100810 19:30:45< Gambit> Lame
20100810 19:31:03< Espreon|Wii> Thy mother beeth lame.
20100810 19:31:18< Gambit> Your face is lame.
20100810 19:31:47< timotei> beeth?
20100810 19:31:53< timotei> google translate doesn't recognize that
20100810 19:32:14< Espreon|Wii> timotei: That's because Google translator's stupid.
20100810 19:32:21< timotei> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beeth
20100810 19:32:22< timotei> ha!
20100810 19:32:38< timotei> 1 2 3 or 4?
20100810 19:32:43< Espreon|Wii> timotei: "beeth" = "be" + "-eth".
20100810 19:32:58< Espreon|Wii> IDK... I'm not risking having to log back in.
20100810 19:33:09< timotei> ok, still don't understand
20100810 19:33:22< timotei> Espreon|Wii: why don't you enter on Espreon?
20100810 19:33:40< Espreon|Wii> timotei: Go look at Wiktionary's "-eth" article.
20100810 19:34:04< Espreon|Wii> timotei: Uh... did you seriously think that the Wii has an ssh client?
20100810 19:34:07< timotei> aha
20100810 19:34:12< timotei> yes
20100810 19:34:16< timotei> why not?
20100810 19:34:18< timotei> sony ps3 has!
20100810 19:34:44< Gambit> timotei: High five!
20100810 19:34:50< timotei> :))
20100810 19:34:53< Espreon|Wii> Oh really? The official firmware/whatever has an ssh client... wow...
20100810 19:34:56 * Gambit is also a supporter of the good console
20100810 19:35:12< timotei> and Espreon : http://www.serfish.com/console/
20100810 19:35:15< timotei> Espreon|Wii: http://www.serfish.com/console/
20100810 19:35:19< Gambit> The one that doesn't require arm flailing.
20100810 19:35:28< Gambit> The one that doesn't break itself because you had the balls to try to use it.
20100810 19:35:30< Gambit> et cetera
20100810 19:35:57< Espreon|Wii> timotei: No, you tell me about it. I'm not risking having to log back in.
20100810 19:36:15< timotei> 'risking having to log back in'?
20100810 19:36:19< timotei> what risks?
20100810 19:36:56< timotei> and also: Espreon|Wii http://code.google.com/p/sshii/
20100810 19:37:02< Espreon|Wii> If I venture away from this page, there's a decent chance that I'll have to log back in.
20100810 19:37:18< timotei> oh
20100810 19:38:00< Espreon|Wii> timotei: Yeah, Wii homebrew, Linux for Wii, and shit is nice, but I can't prepare any of that shit ATM...
20100810 19:38:26< timotei> oh
20100810 19:39:09< Espreon|Wii> Why do you people keep forgetting that my screen/GPU fried?
20100810 19:40:35< Gambit> Espreon|Wii: Real Men™ don't require a screen
20100810 19:40:40< Espreon|Wii> timotei: Besides, why would I want to log in to my shell acount ATM?
20100810 19:40:43< Gambit> They know how to download an iso and burn it by heart!
20100810 19:40:59< timotei> Espreon|Wii: I didn't forget!
20100810 19:41:04< Espreon|Wii> Gambit: It's probably moar complex than that...
20100810 19:41:39< Gambit> Real Men™ have a VGA to retina adaptor!
20100810 19:42:05< Espreon|Wii> Besides, IDK what my Sabayon install does anymore... IDK if X still technically works...
20100810 19:42:21< Espreon|Wii> Gambit: Shut up, you're not amusing.
20100810 19:42:59< Espreon|Wii> timotei: So, why would I want to log in to my shell account?
20100810 19:43:27< timotei> Espreon|Wii: check for new messages?:)
20100810 19:43:36< timotei> Espreon|Wii: btw, how much you pay for the vps?
20100810 19:44:26< Espreon|Wii> Gambit: Even if I had one of those, why would I want to risk having KMS/whatever break my eyes?
20100810 19:44:37< Gambit> Espreon|Wii: lol!
20100810 19:45:04< Espreon|Wii> timotei: Nothing. It's AI0867's.
20100810 19:45:16< timotei> oh, nice
20100810 19:46:12< Espreon|Wii> timotei: Did you honestly think that I had the money for nice things?
20100810 19:46:26< timotei> Espreon|Wii: don't know. maybe yes
20100810 19:47:29< Espreon|Wii> Of course, not... Even if I did, my parents are all like: "Ooooooh... identity theft... SPOOOKY!"
20100810 19:47:49< Espreon|Wii> *course not
20100810 19:50:06< timotei> but come on. if you know your way, you don't need to be scared of nothing
20100810 19:50:12< timotei> I don't care about anything
20100810 19:50:22< timotei> I'm just paying attention to stuff I do and that's all
20100810 19:50:52< Espreon|Wii> My parents don't know/care.
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20100810 19:52:57< timotei> yuhuuu
20100810 19:53:11< timotei> my MSDN Ultimate account is on his way
20100810 19:53:42< Espreon|Wii> Yay...
20100810 19:53:48< timotei> it's almost 12k$
20100810 19:54:18< Espreon|Wii> Uh, you're supposed to put the dollar sign before the quantity.
20100810 19:54:29< timotei> ok...
20100810 19:54:31< timotei> $12k
20100810 19:54:37< Espreon|Wii> IDK what you silly people do with your damn euros... but... yeahz...
20100810 19:55:53< timotei> I don't have euros
20100810 19:55:55< timotei> I have LEIs
20100810 19:56:02< Espreon|Wii> Whatever...
20100810 19:56:11< timotei> and I don't pay for that
20100810 19:56:14< timotei> it's free for me
20100810 19:56:19< timotei> since I'm a microsoft student partner ;)
20100810 19:56:42< Espreon|Wii> ... uh... GET OUT!
20100810 19:56:56< timotei> why?
20100810 19:57:30< Espreon|Wii> You said the em word... LOL.
20100810 19:57:43< timotei> MICROSOFT??
20100810 19:57:45< timotei> muhahaha
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20100810 19:58:43< Espreon|Wii> Why the hell would you do business with... yeahz...
20100810 19:58:54< timotei> so what?
20100810 19:59:00< timotei> I use whatever it suits me better
20100810 19:59:18< timotei> I don't get this discord
20100810 20:00:03< Espreon|Wii> I just hate them and their products... OK?
20100810 20:00:19< timotei> you have no reason for that!
20100810 20:00:26< timotei> I have to admit
20100810 20:00:30< timotei> windows is safer this days
20100810 20:00:36< timotei> regarding hardware breakage;)
20100810 20:00:44< Espreon|Wii> Uh, yeah... I do have a reason...
20100810 20:00:51< timotei> and with everything you'd want
20100810 20:01:01< timotei> there are some issues, but compared to linux'es ones...
20100810 20:01:08< timotei> depends on your viewpoint
20100810 20:01:28< timotei> I use windows for almost 7+ years
20100810 20:01:31< Espreon|Wii> Let us begin... shall we?
20100810 20:01:32< timotei> and NEVER ever I got any virus
20100810 20:01:37< timotei> any bsod
20100810 20:01:40< timotei> or stupid stuff
20100810 20:01:44< timotei> ok:)
20100810 20:01:51< timotei> you want flamewar?
20100810 20:04:46< Espreon|Wii> Well, I hate Windows because: the CLI is pathetic, it's a pain in the ass to set up a build environment for anything, it loves to do stupid things all the time, and so forth.
20100810 20:05:21< Espreon|Wii> I could probably think of moar reasons, but it would take time. Those are my top three reasons.
20100810 20:07:31< timotei> true, CLI sucks
20100810 20:08:00< timotei> depends on what build environment ;). the only thing it sucks, is you don't have a way for downloading the libraries in a same place
20100810 20:08:07< timotei> and categorize them by: include/ lib/ etc
20100810 20:08:19< Espreon|Wii> Well... YEAH!
20100810 20:08:23< timotei> and that's not windows's fault at ALL!
20100810 20:08:30< timotei> people who need that should make one
20100810 20:08:33< timotei> I'd make one tbh
20100810 20:08:39< timotei> and I think I'll try it when gsoc ends;)
20100810 20:08:54< Espreon|Wii> Well, something should have been created...
20100810 20:09:38< timotei> yes
20100810 20:09:48< timotei> actualluy there are things that tried, like: 
20100810 20:10:00< timotei> http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/
20100810 20:10:28< timotei> and 3rd...
20100810 20:10:31< timotei> it's up to you ;)
20100810 20:10:39< timotei> I personally I don't use windows with hate
20100810 20:10:54< timotei> it's just like with a child: it's your child, make it behave, but if it misses, forgive him;)
20100810 20:11:17< Espreon|Wii> Also, when something on Windows breaks, I have no idea where to find that damn configuration! Everything's so... cluttered... ugh...
20100810 20:12:22< timotei> hmm
20100810 20:12:25< timotei> true
20100810 20:12:31< timotei> even though, there is the event log :)
20100810 20:12:53< Espreon|Wii> LOL, that hardly helps.
20100810 20:13:01< timotei> yes and no
20100810 20:13:12< timotei> ok, I don't want to convince you for windows
20100810 20:13:15< timotei> but this is what I've seen
20100810 20:13:21< timotei> people that use with HATE windows
20100810 20:13:24< timotei> will get back hate ;)
20100810 20:13:48< Espreon|Wii> Uh, wut?
20100810 20:13:53< timotei> yes
20100810 20:14:23< timotei> why me, an 'experienced' guys, who tried a LOT! including opening each and every .exe from windows to see what it does, didn't have ANY problems?
20100810 20:14:27< timotei> any major ones
20100810 20:14:34< timotei> just stuff for a day or things like this
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20100810 20:18:52< Espreon|Wii> timotei: Eh, whatever. The point is that I'm never going back to using that shitty OS as my main OS. I have many problems with it and it just doesn't give me the grand control that I enjoy. OK?
20100810 20:19:02< timotei> :)
20100810 20:19:04< timotei> yw
20100810 20:20:51< Gambit> (same here?)
20100810 20:20:54< Gambit> (hopefully)
20100810 20:21:05< Gambit> Except I don't think it's shitty.
20100810 20:21:09< Gambit> And I don't have problems with it.
20100810 20:21:14< Gambit> And I don't care about grand control.
20100810 20:21:21< Gambit> It's just not the best is all.
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20100810 20:26:14< Espreon|Wii> Well, I'm going to leave for a while...
20100810 20:26:21< Espreon|Wii> Byez...
20100810 20:26:28< loonycyborg> timotei: I was an experienced windows user once too. You induce nostalgia in me! :P
20100810 20:26:39< timotei> bye Espreon 
20100810 20:27:00< timotei> loonycyborg: ... well... I just use what's better for current job
20100810 20:27:02< timotei> nothing ese
20100810 20:28:06< loonycyborg> Well.. I've ended up being a little bit more idealistic.
20100810 20:28:23< timotei> in which way?
20100810 20:30:12< loonycyborg> Adopting the 'Unix way' of thinking etc..
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20100810 20:31:07< timotei> oh
20100810 20:34:42< loonycyborg> Besides, the only thing microsoft way is good at is wiping out all competition and then entering infinite period of stagnation.
20100810 20:34:59< loonycyborg> That does make economical sense, but not technical sense.
20100810 20:35:11< timotei> yeah
20100810 20:35:22< timotei> windows7 is really a step forward
20100810 20:35:27< timotei> did you try it?
20100810 20:35:32< timotei> after vista fiasco...
20100810 20:36:13< loonycyborg> I didn't try either due to extreme laziness.
20100810 20:36:24< timotei> well, you should
20100810 20:36:42< timotei> if they go this way...
20100810 20:36:50< timotei> linux will have a very hard battle
20100810 20:36:53< timotei> to take it down
20100810 20:37:55< loonycyborg> In any case if not for resurgence of apple they'd end up sitting on their laurels and everyone would be using reskinned windows xp now.
20100810 20:38:54< timotei> umm, maybe yes
20100810 20:40:30< loonycyborg> Also, there are some really silly things in its internal workings. Like 32K limit on lengths of command-lines used with CreateProcess.
20100810 20:41:06< loonycyborg> Even though Unix is decades older, it ages a lot better.
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