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20100813 00:12:58< Gambit> :(
20100813 00:14:08< Gambit> some people seem to have misinterpereted being harsh to idiots as "Let's be an ass to everyone, even if they have an question!"
20100813 00:14:17< Gambit> *an honest question
20100813 00:17:40< Valkier> ?
20100813 00:20:43< Gambit> Well it seems that as the least little sign of newbyness certain members of the community will swarm like pirhana.
20100813 00:24:20< loonycyborg> Because anyone can flame but not everyone can actually help..
20100813 00:24:36< loonycyborg> They're just doing what they can.
20100813 00:26:07< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: I'm putting you on the spot in this thread: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=449192#p449192
20100813 00:26:50< Gambit> because you were one of the ones I was talking about in this one: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=30004 :P
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20100813 02:20:02< Gambit> Well that sucks.
20100813 02:20:15 * Gambit crosses Xubuntu off of "list of OS's to try on ancient PoS box"
20100813 02:20:36< Gambit> Infinite restart loops are fun...
20100813 02:23:49< Gambit> Also I had no idea things looked this clear when using DVI.
20100813 02:23:59< Gambit> Everything is so stark and crisp.
20100813 02:27:06< Gambit> Shame I normally have to use that port for my ps3
20100813 02:27:22< Gambit> This makes me want to get a TV even more though so my PC can have the DVI
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20100813 03:43:16< elvish_sovereign> [6:26pm] Gambit:
20100813 03:43:16< elvish_sovereign> elvish_sovereign: I'm putting you on the spot in this thread: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=449192#p449192
20100813 03:43:16< elvish_sovereign> [6:26pm] Gambit:
20100813 03:43:16< elvish_sovereign> because you were one of the ones I was talking about in this one: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=30004 :P
20100813 03:43:21< elvish_sovereign> What?
20100813 03:46:22< Gambit> You guys pounced on that poor guy.
20100813 03:46:40< Gambit> Not even a tiny shred of a sliver of a hint of a hope of a fraction of help was offered.
20100813 03:59:10< Valkier> Gambit: And that reflects poorly on you as not only a leader, but as an example.
20100813 03:59:18< Valkier> Why didn't you teach us better than that?
20100813 03:59:35< Valkier> If I were you, I'd feel ashamed. Poor elvish_sovereign was just doing as he had learned from you.
20100813 03:59:56< elvish_sovereign> :D
20100813 04:00:28< Valkier> My defendant pleads not guilty.
20100813 04:00:53< Valkier> We'd also move that the court finds you guilty of conspiracy to commit hopelessness.
20100813 04:02:48< Gambit> Valkier: Huh?
20100813 04:02:58< Gambit> Valkier: You'll need an exhibit A of when I have behaved that way.
20100813 04:03:05< Valkier> Ignorance is not a defense.
20100813 04:03:34< Gambit> *offense you mean? :P
20100813 04:03:44< Gambit> Making a statement which you cannot back up is not a defense.
20100813 04:03:59< Valkier> I'm not the one making statements here.
20100813 04:04:17< Valkier> If you don't know when you've done it, then that burden is on you.
20100813 04:04:21< Gambit> [21:59:33] <Valkier> If I were you, I'd feel ashamed. Poor elvish_sovereign was just doing as he had learned from you.
20100813 04:04:28< Gambit> ^^^
20100813 04:04:38< Valkier> You need proof that I would feel ashamed if I were you?
20100813 04:04:42< Gambit> The last sentance was definitely a statement.
20100813 04:04:50< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100813 04:05:12< Valkier> Wasn't that, in itself, a statement?
20100813 04:05:13< Gambit> It has a bigger period than a fat lady menstruating.
20100813 04:05:21< Valkier> Maybe you need to watch what you're accusing who of what.
20100813 04:06:14< Gambit> shadowmaster: You've got to be the jury of our peers!
20100813 04:06:58< Gambit> No, but seriously. If you're QFT'ing Unnheulu then you know it's time to take a step back and re-evaluate the situation.
20100813 04:07:21< Valkier> So let me ask you something: If someone is a raging alcoholic with a mental disorder and is constantly in and out of rehab but never got real help, is it his failure as a person or is it the failure of the people in charge of that area?
20100813 04:07:27< Gambit> I'm not saying it's a given that you shouldn't be QFTing him.
20100813 04:07:35< Gambit> I'm just saying you should always double check.
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20100813 04:07:57< Valkier> I submit to you that my defendant is indeed socially inept, but you failed him as an administrator in not giving him the help he needed to avoid it.
20100813 04:08:12< Valkier> Good day to you, sir.
20100813 04:08:24< Gambit> I failed at a job I don't have?
20100813 04:08:34< Valkier> And you never will with that attitude.
20100813 04:08:42< Valkier> Can't even take responsibility in a situation.
20100813 04:08:54< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Of course you failed. You respect ColdFusion for similar reasons that people respect Python but you don't respect Python.
20100813 04:08:57< Aethaeryn> Python is more popular, too.
20100813 04:09:07< Valkier> This is why slavery was started in the first place.
20100813 04:09:15< Aethaeryn> Exactly.
20100813 04:09:24< Aethaeryn> Valkier: Why am I agreeing with you?
20100813 04:09:26< Aethaeryn> :/
20100813 04:09:31< Valkier> Gambit: Way to start slavery.
20100813 04:09:41< Gambit> Valkier: Hey wait...
20100813 04:09:43< Aethaeryn> Gambit: How could you?
20100813 04:09:46< Valkier> Aethaeryn: I think we both know this is for something bigger than each other.
20100813 04:09:47< Gambit> Don't we normally tag team others with this strategy!?
20100813 04:10:49< Gambit> Valkier: :(
20100813 04:10:50< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Your tag team partnership has been betrayed quicker than a pro wrestling tag team partnership
20100813 04:10:50< Aethaeryn> Congratulations, your drama is faker than pro wrestling.
20100813 04:10:50< Valkier> Betrayed faster than a Clinton sitting at a desk.
20100813 04:10:51< Gambit> You're totally right though. If I want the responsibility that I say I do (and I do do want it) then I'll have to read User's Forum more often than once a week.
20100813 04:11:01< Gambit> It's just such a retarded subforum... :\/
20100813 04:11:12< Aethaeryn> It isn't a subforum.
20100813 04:11:14< Valkier> I think all forums should be dismantled save the art forums.
20100813 04:11:17< Aethaeryn> A subforum would be if it's entirely under another
20100813 04:11:21< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth has no subforums.
20100813 04:11:27< Gambit> Aethaeryn: wrong
20100813 04:11:32< Aethaeryn> since when?
20100813 04:11:35< Gambit> Forum->Category->Subforum
20100813 04:12:04< Gambit> Wesnoth Forums->BFW - Users->User's Forum
20100813 04:12:31< Gambit> Subsubforums are lame.
20100813 04:12:42< Aethaeryn> Wrong.
20100813 04:12:49< Aethaeryn> Forums > Category > Forum > Subforum.
20100813 04:12:50< Gambit> I refuse to acknowledge their existance on the ladder of forum groupings.
20100813 04:12:56< Gambit> LALALALALA not listening!
20100813 04:13:03< Aethaeryn> And large forums wouldn't be able to exist without subforums.
20100813 04:13:06< Aethaeryn> Just go to a large one.
20100813 04:13:14< Gambit> If you've got subsubforums
20100813 04:13:15< Aethaeryn> And tell me how many dozens of first-page forums they'd need without subforums
20100813 04:13:22< Gambit> than that forum should be a category
20100813 04:13:26< Valkier> The only way to get the economy going is to get it moving.
20100813 04:13:35< Gambit> There should never be a subforum inside a subforum
20100813 04:14:10< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Forums/Boards > Category > Forum > Subforum > Subsubforum
20100813 04:14:18< Aethaeryn> I hate to break it to you, but that's the generally accepted terms.
20100813 04:14:20< Aethaeryn> You're too late.
20100813 04:14:28< Gambit> Liessssssssssssssssssssssssss
20100813 04:14:30< Aethaeryn> Just like Stallman is too late in calling trying to call Linux GNU/Linux
20100813 04:14:30< Gambit> BOOM
20100813 04:15:04< Aethaeryn> http://www.phpbb.com/community/index.php
20100813 04:15:06< Aethaeryn> Note "board index"
20100813 04:15:18< Aethaeryn> as in Forums/Board(s) as the broad title
20100813 04:15:26< Aethaeryn> http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewforum.php?f=46
20100813 04:15:32< Aethaeryn> And note all those forums within an individual forum
20100813 04:15:40< Aethaeryn> they're called "sub-forums" because they are under an individual forum
20100813 04:15:48< Gambit> Disgusting,
20100813 04:16:07< Aethaeryn> http://www.phpbb.com/support/documentation/3.0/adminguide/acp_forums.php#acp_forums_subforums
20100813 04:16:10< Gambit> Okay if you really have to do that then there should not be threads in that subforum
20100813 04:16:26< Gambit> You shouldn't have threads and subforums in the same forum
20100813 04:16:31< Gambit> It's like having loose files in a filing cabinet
20100813 04:16:32< Aethaeryn> Nope.
20100813 04:16:36< Aethaeryn> It happens all the time.
20100813 04:16:37< Gambit> in the same drawer as a bunch of folders
20100813 04:16:39< Aethaeryn> In big forums.
20100813 04:16:46< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Well they're Doing It Wrong™
20100813 04:16:49< Aethaeryn> So you're going against established practices.
20100813 04:16:58< Aethaeryn> It's like saying you should have the {s and }s on the same line as the code.
20100813 04:17:10< Aethaeryn> You're going against most books/manuals/code/etc of the curly bracket languages
20100813 04:17:12< Aethaeryn> where they tend to do 
20100813 04:17:14< Aethaeryn> {
20100813 04:17:15< Aethaeryn> foo
20100813 04:17:16< Aethaeryn> }
20100813 04:17:17< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Depends on how long the code is
20100813 04:17:23< Gambit> I'm perfectly fine with
20100813 04:17:23< Aethaeryn> as ugly as it is to devote a whole line to just a { or }
20100813 04:17:52< Gambit> if(condition){ really small action that fits on one line }
20100813 04:18:37< Gambit> I put my }'s on the same line too so I can quicklier tell what closes where.
20100813 04:18:46< Gambit> Why cause yourself extra stress?
20100813 04:19:15< Gambit> if(condition) {
20100813 04:19:18< Aethaeryn> all on one line and without indentation
20100813 04:19:19< Aethaeryn> that's ugly code
20100813 04:19:24< Gambit> larger action or set of actions that doesn't fit
20100813 04:19:26< Aethaeryn> There's a reason why Python forces indentation.
20100813 04:19:27< Gambit> on one line }
20100813 04:19:40< Aethaeryn> Because really, REALLY bad habits to mess up your code that way
20100813 04:20:05< Gambit> Yes well I organize vertically.
20100813 04:20:16< Aethaeryn> Code should be consistant.
20100813 04:20:29< Gambit> I've indented all my perl stuff
20100813 04:20:29< Aethaeryn> If you organize short stuff in one line and long stuff spaced out as you should...
20100813 04:20:32< Aethaeryn> Then you get really messy.
20100813 04:20:33< Gambit> but it really does nothing for me
20100813 04:20:37< Aethaeryn> Right.
20100813 04:20:48< Aethaeryn> I don't want to have to pick up your code. Ever.
20100813 04:21:56< Gambit> at any rate
20100813 04:22:03< Gambit> on wesnoth we don't have subsubforums
20100813 04:22:06< Gambit> At least not public ones
20100813 04:22:19< Gambit> so Forum -> Category -> Subforum works
20100813 04:22:28< Aethaeryn> Fuck you.
20100813 04:22:33< Aethaeryn> "subsubforum" is really, really awkward
20100813 04:22:36< Aethaeryn> There's a reason people don't say it.
20100813 04:22:40< Aethaeryn> It's a pain on the eyes.
20100813 04:22:58< Aethaeryn> Do NOT go against standard terms and standard styles.
20100813 04:23:06< Aethaeryn> It makes it hard on people who are trying to learn things the right way.
20100813 04:23:09< Aethaeryn> :'(
20100813 04:23:18< Gambit> But like IUPAC it tells you quite a bit about the structure
20100813 04:23:39< Gambit> subsubsubforum :\/
20100813 04:23:42< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Where on the Information Superhighway can I find information about IUPAC?
20100813 04:24:03< Gambit> Aethaeryn: They're the people who give "painful on the eyes" names to chemicals
20100813 04:24:09< Aethaeryn> Ah, of course.
20100813 04:24:15< Gambit> But those names tell you everything about said chemical
20100813 04:24:18< Aethaeryn> I did not read about them on the Information Superhighway, merely in textbooks.
20100813 04:24:44< Gambit> subforum is a group inside a forum
20100813 04:24:49< Gambit> subsubforum is a group inside a subforum
20100813 04:25:02< Aethaeryn> Right, but it's not "a forum"
20100813 04:25:03< Gambit> categories group subforums to make the forums easier to navigate
20100813 04:25:08< Aethaeryn> It's a "message board" or "the forums"
20100813 04:25:27< Gambit> Board then
20100813 04:25:29< Aethaeryn> So it's not a "forum" that has categories, it's collectively "the forums" or a [message] board
20100813 04:25:31< Gambit> Whatever
20100813 04:25:37< Aethaeryn> http://forums.wesnoth.org/index.php
20100813 04:25:41< Aethaeryn> Note forums.wesnoth.org
20100813 04:25:44< Aethaeryn> and "Board Index"
20100813 04:25:50< Aethaeryn> It is *never* appropriate to call it a forum.
20100813 04:26:21< Aethaeryn> Just look it up on the Information Superhighway if you are uncertain.
20100813 04:27:58< Gambit> If Espreon were here he would demand that we call them "fori" or something.
20100813 04:28:14 * Gambit attempts to change topic because he really doesn't care about this one
20100813 04:28:17< Aethaeryn> Yes, but nowhere on the Information Highway does anyone use such terms
20100813 04:28:19< Aethaeryn> Unfortunately.
20100813 04:28:21< Aethaeryn> Oh sorry
20100813 04:28:24< Aethaeryn> Information SUPERhighway
20100813 04:28:28< Aethaeryn> since it is Al Gore's term.
20100813 04:28:37< Gambit> He did invent it afterall.
20100813 04:28:43< Aethaeryn> Right.
20100813 04:28:53< Aethaeryn> The Information Superhighway is meant to help track down Manbearpig.
20100813 04:29:16< Aethaeryn> It just happens to, just like the interstate system, be used by civilians in times where there is no national emergency.
20100813 04:29:56< Gambit> Meh this topic is boring too.
20100813 04:30:08< Gambit> s/topic/subject/
20100813 04:30:25< Gambit> I probably should not attempt to change the topic in here. :D
20100813 04:32:08< Gambit> Nope
20100813 04:32:16< Gambit> [22:31:46] * #wesnoth-umc-dev: You're not channel operator
20100813 04:33:11< Valkier> Nobody in #Wesnoth wanted some hot Orc on Canvas action.
20100813 04:33:13< Valkier> I am sad.
20100813 04:34:18< Aethaeryn> Well, every image imaginable (and many not imaginable) can be found on the information superhighway.
20100813 04:34:25< Aethaeryn> Already.
20100813 04:41:42< Aethaeryn> Gambit: notice that annoying terms are annoying
20100813 04:42:28< Aethaeryn> oooooh
20100813 04:42:44< Aethaeryn> Gambit: What do Google and Apple have in common according to the WikiMedia Encyclopedia?
20100813 04:47:17< Valkier> The owners are secretive douchebags?
20100813 04:47:25< Aethaeryn> Close
20100813 04:47:28< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
20100813 04:47:34< Aethaeryn> ^ This guy is in both their infoboxes
20100813 04:53:06< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Duh. He invented, and owns the internet.
20100813 04:54:46< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=449224#p449224
20100813 04:54:50< Gambit> Huh?
20100813 04:54:54< Gambit> Night all.
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20100813 05:26:14< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: you were talking about linguistics.
20100813 05:26:32< shadowmaster> if I'm not mistaken.
20100813 05:30:05< Valkier> He totally was.
20100813 05:36:19< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: No, I was talkinga bout technical terminology.
20100813 05:36:31< Aethaeryn> Every discipline has technical terms, none of it is under a linguistics or English or w/e department.
20100813 05:36:44< elvish_sovereign> shadowmaster: SPAMBOT
20100813 05:36:45< elvish_sovereign> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&p=449240
20100813 05:36:46< Aethaeryn> E.g. is the proper use of the term "algorithm" part of the linguistics domain?
20100813 05:38:25< shadowmaster> yes
20100813 05:38:31< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: target obliterated
20100813 05:38:38< elvish_sovereign> :D
20100813 05:38:47< elvish_sovereign> got to go to sleep now
20100813 05:38:49< elvish_sovereign> see ya all
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20100813 05:39:00< Aethaeryn> Imo, technical terminology when related to computing terms are syntax issues. If you use the wrong term, your code should not compile/run.
20100813 05:39:47< shadowmaster> your opinion is not required.
20100813 05:40:18 * shadowmaster loads the fish launcher.
20100813 05:50:15< Aethaeryn> rofl
20100813 05:50:20< Aethaeryn> "C# is equivalent to D♭"
20100813 05:54:20< Aethaeryn> (in an explanation of computer languages)
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20100813 06:30:51< Guest53717> Gambit: Really? You think that "forum" becomes "fori"? You fail at Fetishistspeak!
20100813 06:33:16-!- Guest53717 is now known as Espreon|Wii
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20100813 06:33:51< Espreon|Wii> Aethaeryn: How could he be such a fool?
20100813 06:35:16< shadowmaster> Maths, linguistics, philosophy, comments on off-topicness, and anti-French comments are off-topic.
20100813 06:36:52< Espreon|Wii> Then I'm off-topic!
20100813 06:38:04< shadowmaster> the door is there.
20100813 06:38:18 * Espreon|Wii glares at shadowmaster
20100813 06:42:21< Aethaeryn> Forum, fora, yeah.
20100813 06:42:27< Aethaeryn> that's like Latin I stuff
20100813 06:42:38< Aethaeryn> sorry, had to respond, would be rude not to :/
20100813 06:42:56< shadowmaster> you two STFU and say "forums" because it's what the phpBB authors use.
20100813 06:43:08< Aethaeryn> Then I'll write a pyBB that uses "fora"
20100813 06:43:23< Aethaeryn> Because I'm closed-minded until December since I have to use Python in the fall.
20100813 06:43:25< shadowmaster> fine, but we won't use it.
20100813 06:43:46< shadowmaster> so it'll continue to be "forums" for the Wesnoth.org board
20100813 06:44:05< Aethaeryn> hah
20100813 06:44:08< Aethaeryn> I did a /list of various channels
20100813 06:44:17< Aethaeryn> and #python has a "NO LOL" at the start of its topic
20100813 06:44:54< Espreon|Wii> shadowmaster: Well, you're not suitable for this language! You do not uphold the law! "Forum" is not holy enough for "-s"... <insert moar bullshit that resembles ranting here>
20100813 06:46:18< shadowmaster> +q
20100813 06:47:33 * Aethaeryn is waiting for "computer science" to be added to the list of banned topics.
20100813 06:47:39< Espreon|Wii> Pfft, I wish I were drunk...
20100813 06:48:09< Aethaeryn> Add computer science and physics to the banned list, and you've essentially banned me.
20100813 06:48:20< Espreon|Wii> Maybe then I could tolerate this now-boring environment...
20100813 06:48:31< Aethaeryn> Oh wait, science isn't banned.
20100813 06:48:46< Aethaeryn> Espreon|Wii: So, following any physics news lately?
20100813 06:48:53< Aethaeryn> http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
20100813 06:49:04< Espreon|Wii> No....
20100813 06:49:24< shadowmaster> Espreon|Wii: it could be worse.
20100813 06:49:25< Espreon|Wii> Physics bores me...
20100813 06:49:30< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn coiuld be arguing against something.
20100813 06:49:32< shadowmaster> *could
20100813 06:49:40< Espreon|Wii> Damn right!
20100813 06:50:02< Espreon|Wii> But... at least back then, things were interesting!
20100813 06:50:34< Aethaeryn> Espreon|Wii: Physics bores you? But it's the most mathe... oh shit. What about the phi... damn. No arguments in favor of physics here. :/
20100813 06:50:57< shadowmaster> Espreon|Wii: sorry, it isn't really interesting to read Aethaeryn talking alone for hours :P
20100813 06:51:10< Espreon|Wii> shadowmaster apparently likes me all hollow and soulless...
20100813 06:51:11< shadowmaster> anyway, afk
20100813 06:52:44< Espreon|Wii> Aethaeryn: Did you honestly think that physics interested me even the slightest?
20100813 06:59:58< Aethaeryn> no, I was kinda setting up for the line I last said
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20100813 09:51:49< Valkier> HOT! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0IVuGK7sAw&feature=related
20100813 09:52:13< Valkier> Doh! Meant this link. http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=44359
20100813 09:52:17< Valkier> Though nobody is around.
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20100813 09:53:25< timotei> nice:D
20100813 09:54:20< Valkier> I'm waiting for LordBob to nix the sword.
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20100813 14:12:42< Gambit> So apparently Evolution refuses to let you use it's calendar until you've given it an email account.
20100813 14:13:05< Gambit> A dual purpose application where one application is not accessable unless you're using the other?
20100813 14:13:30< Gambit> That's not dual purpose. That's one purpose that was then extended tangengtally.
20100813 14:13:38< Gambit> *tangentally
20100813 14:13:45< timotei> evolution vs thunderbird?
20100813 14:13:50< timotei> thunderbird wins
20100813 14:14:00< Gambit> I'm checking out KOrganizer atm.
20100813 14:14:07< Gambit> timotei: I don't want an email client yet.
20100813 14:14:16< timotei> mda...
20100813 14:14:21< Gambit> In case something nasty rears its head and forces me off of ubuntu.
20100813 14:14:35< Gambit> I want my emails to still be there for downloading elsewhere.
20100813 14:14:45< Gambit> So I've been using the... the... webmail -_-
20100813 14:14:52< Gambit> As my ISP is retarded and does not support imap
20100813 14:15:15< Gambit> I should set it up to forward my messages to a gmail account and imap that.
20100813 14:15:23< Gambit> *use imap on that
20100813 14:15:35< Gambit> No... this is English. I can turn nouns into verbs yes?
20100813 14:17:51< loonycyborg> Yes. You can verb your nouns as often as you want :P
20100813 14:19:07< Gambit> They have been verbificated.
20100813 14:21:03< Gambit> What is with KDE apps and 24 hours clocks!?
20100813 14:21:14< Gambit> And they never have an option to change so far as I can find.
20100813 14:23:24< Gambit> There we go.
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20100813 16:44:38< Gambit> lmao http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2443
20100813 16:44:52< Gambit> "The commenter who tossed the complaint link at me notes that Steve Jobs and Larry Ellison are best buddies. So this is Apple, rapidly losing the market-share battle to Android, striking back by proxy. I’m guessing Ellison told his lawyers to throw anything at Google that they thought might stick, and do it yesterday."
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20100813 17:00:55< Gambit> Whoa. A man in massachusetts almost died of a pea that took root in his lungs
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20100813 18:38:19< Gambit> hmmm 3sr's blog is funnier than I thought it'd be
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20100813 19:23:44< Aethaeryn> wesbot: seen esr
20100813 19:23:44<+wesbot> Aethaeryn: The person with the nick esr last spoke 1d 22h ago.  18h 27m ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-dev with the message: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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20100813 21:12:17< Gambit> yawn
20100813 21:13:05< timotei> Gambit: how much you've slept?
20100813 21:13:19< Gambit> 8 hours ussually
20100813 21:13:41< Gambit> except in the cases of power outages or really good books
20100813 21:14:08< Gambit> Twas a yawn of absolute boredom.
20100813 21:15:16< timotei> Gambit: well, do something USEFUL!
20100813 21:15:17< timotei> :P
20100813 21:16:07< timotei> man, little kids
20100813 21:16:13< timotei> I wish I had that time too
20100813 21:16:25< timotei> "little kids"
20100813 21:16:26< timotei> :P
20100813 21:16:44< Gambit> Bah
20100813 21:16:49< Gambit> No. It's linux.
20100813 21:17:03< Gambit> Without malware to fight I've found myself with extra free time
20100813 21:17:57< Gambit> (kidding of course)
20100813 21:18:10< Gambit> I haven't ever had malware on fran.
20100813 21:18:14< Gambit> Except tracking cookies.
20100813 21:18:20< Gambit> Which I assume are still present on linux.
20100813 21:18:54< timotei> well, guess whaT?
20100813 21:19:02< timotei> I didn't have ANY malware on windows too ;)
20100813 21:19:06< timotei> and no antiviru :)
20100813 21:19:30 * Gambit guesses that the punch line is "no internet connection"
20100813 21:19:39< Gambit> timotei: Without antivirus, how did you know you didn't have malware?
20100813 21:19:39< timotei> ha?
20100813 21:19:50< timotei> because I don't click stuff I don't have control over
20100813 21:19:53< Gambit> I hear spyware is really good at hiding :P
20100813 21:19:54< timotei> and don't use DC++
20100813 21:20:06< timotei> ok, downloading spybot search and destroy to check
20100813 21:20:12< Gambit> eww
20100813 21:20:12< timotei> and I use antivirus just for VIRUSES
20100813 21:20:13< Gambit> get AVG
20100813 21:20:17< Gambit> spybot is so bloated
20100813 21:20:18< timotei> not those stupid ... All-In-One
20100813 21:20:20< timotei> AVG sucks
20100813 21:20:22< Gambit> I only get it in emergancies
20100813 21:20:24< timotei> kaspesky rules
20100813 21:20:35< timotei> ok...
20100813 21:20:46< timotei> let's see if kasp has any antispyware stuff
20100813 21:20:49< Gambit> Spybot is for when you get really paranoid about strange fan behaviour.
20100813 21:21:02< timotei> so?
20100813 21:21:12< Gambit> People who use it for everyday protection are slowing thier machines down unnecessarily
20100813 21:21:34< timotei> yes
20100813 21:21:46< Gambit> Which is why AVG is good.
20100813 21:22:02< timotei> No Antivirus (TM) is good;)
20100813 21:22:02< Gambit> It still worked on most 98 machines up until 2 versions ago.
20100813 21:23:23< Gambit> Anyway I found something "useful" to do.
20100813 21:23:38< timotei> what?
20100813 21:23:58< Gambit> I'm trying to figure out how <cfmail> worked in ColdFusion 7 and trying to find the email server information for my clients' registar
20100813 21:24:54< Gambit> Also apparently automated form validation is disabled on my clients' server so HOORAH for me -_-
20100813 21:24:59< Gambit> I get to write all that logic myself.
20100813 21:25:11< timotei> http://xkcd.com/326/
20100813 21:25:12< timotei> =))
20100813 21:25:15< timotei> Espreon: http://xkcd.com/326/
20100813 21:26:44< shadowmaster> timotei: Espreon is dead.
20100813 21:26:51< timotei> yeah...
20100813 21:26:56< timotei> Espreon|Wii: http://xkcd.com/326/
20100813 21:26:58< shadowmaster> I mean, that session is dead. He can't connect to it until he has a computer with OpenSSH for that
20100813 21:27:19< shadowmaster> or BSD's SSH or anything else that implements SSH.
20100813 21:28:01< timotei> Class<? extends ISSHProtocol>
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20100813 21:29:37< Gambit> sigh
20100813 21:29:40< Gambit> "No new messages"
20100813 21:29:47< Gambit> Does that mean I failed or that my ISP sucks?
20100813 21:29:57< timotei> both?
20100813 21:30:05< Gambit> Possibly.
20100813 21:30:37< Gambit> failed to connect...
20100813 21:31:07< Gambit> shadowmaster: Do you know of a way to test if a mail server exists?
20100813 21:31:26< Gambit> Pinging will work on subdomains right?
20100813 21:32:38< shadowmaster> only if the actual domain exists, or the subdomain turns out to be a DNS record itself
20100813 21:33:03< shadowmaster> in the first case, it'll ping the actual domain with the DNS record.
20100813 21:33:12< Gambit> shit I found the problem... they use outgoing authentication like gmail
20100813 21:33:29< Gambit> which CFMX does not support :@
20100813 21:33:35< timotei> ssl?
20100813 21:33:56< shadowmaster> TLS?
20100813 21:33:58< Gambit> yeah
20100813 21:34:05< Gambit> err the first one?
20100813 21:34:10< Gambit> no
20100813 21:34:36< Gambit> I don't know what the name of it is. But in OE there was a checkbox for "this server requires authentication"
20100813 21:34:56< Gambit> according to this blog it's what shadowmaster said
20100813 21:35:24< shadowmaster> SSL and TLS are the most widespread methods
20100813 21:35:31< Gambit> stupid registar using 5 year old versions of coldfusion
20100813 21:35:32< shadowmaster> so yeah.
20100813 21:38:15< timotei> Gambit: just tell em' to upgrade;)
20100813 21:40:14< Gambit> Yeah it doesn't make sense why'd you'd be running server software that is incompatable with your email server
20100813 21:40:21< shadowmaster> some organizations are afraid of upgrades.
20100813 21:40:47< shadowmaster> My university still runs Windows 2000 and Windows XP on most machines.
20100813 21:41:32< shadowmaster> most Internet cafes in the capital still run Windows 98 SE.
20100813 21:41:59< Gambit> or maybe it's stupid clients chaning their passwords and not telling me
20100813 21:42:04< Gambit> I can't login to the webmail
20100813 21:42:49< shadowmaster> my university also blocks the most common IMAP port.
20100813 21:42:50< timotei> uu win98SE
20100813 21:42:52< shadowmaster> go figure.
20100813 21:49:56< Gambit> My ISP doesn't support IMAP
20100813 21:49:58< Gambit> They're stupid.
20100813 21:59:58< timotei> haha
20100813 22:00:02< timotei> Gambit: you were wrong
20100813 22:00:05< timotei> just some tracking cookies ;)
20100813 22:00:21< Gambit> Those are malware!
20100813 22:00:24< Gambit> I wasn't wrong. :P
20100813 22:00:30< timotei> lol
20100813 22:00:32< timotei> like I carfe?
20100813 22:00:33< timotei> care*?
20100813 22:00:46< Gambit> Furthermore
20100813 22:00:49< timotei> brb pause
20100813 22:00:49< timotei> :D
20100813 22:00:55< Gambit> Twitter — voluntary spyware
20100813 22:01:04< Gambit> :\/
20100813 22:01:39< Gambit> shadowmaster: May I subscribe this channel to Website? Pleeeeeease?
20100813 22:02:05< shadowmaster> okay.
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20100813 22:02:25-!- shadowmaster changed the topic of #wesnoth-umc-dev to: Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Project discussion and support channel | http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net | Staff: AI0867, Espreon, shadowmaster | Project @ SF.net: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev | IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org, http://irclogs.ai0867.net
20100813 22:02:36<@shadowmaster> Gambit: make sure your bot is logged in to its account
20100813 22:03:37< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yes it is. Thanks. :D
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20100813 22:04:11< Gambit> would you like to do the honors? It's "!subscribe-channel 17"
20100813 22:04:47<@shadowmaster> !subscribe-channel 17
20100813 22:04:59<@shadowmaster> now what?
20100813 22:05:00< Gambit> To the bot... :$
20100813 22:05:09<@shadowmaster> hm, in PM?
20100813 22:05:14< Gambit> janebot: !math 5+5
20100813 22:05:14< janebot> Gambit: 5+5 = 10
20100813 22:05:17< Gambit> ^^
20100813 22:05:27< Gambit> but yeah a PM would work
20100813 22:05:36< Gambit> As that prepends "janebot:" to the message
20100813 22:05:36<@shadowmaster> janebot: !subscribe-channel 17
20100813 22:05:37< janebot> Started your subscription.
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20100813 22:06:39< shadowmaster> k
20100813 22:08:01< Aeth[Phone]> 'ello
20100813 22:08:20< Gambit> Aeth[Phone]: What phone?
20100813 22:08:34< Aeth[Phone]> nexus one
20100813 22:08:36< Aeth[Phone]> duh
20100813 22:09:33< Aeth[Phone]> i think i could code a better IRC app though
20100813 22:09:49< Aeth[Phone]> pyRC? :-P
20100813 22:10:17<+janebot> DEATH_is_undead posted in Website • Re: Where can I donate something??? on 08-13-2010 at 20:03:13
20100813 22:10:18<+janebot> Go there: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=29856&p=449422#p449422
20100813 22:12:34< shadowmaster> I didn't know Dave's decision to forgo donations was that old.
20100813 22:13:16< timotei> what does this mean?: NB: a single blank link
20100813 22:13:17< timotei> NB?
20100813 22:13:27< shadowmaster> Nota bene
20100813 22:13:42< shadowmaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nota_bene
20100813 22:13:57< timotei> what the??? ALT+TAB from xchat bring the desktop unresponsive for bout 5 secon
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20100813 22:43:33< Gambit> janebot: !set-define RIW Reality Isn't Wesnoth
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20100813 23:03:49< Espreon|Wii> Soon... it shall be ordered... yayz...
20100813 23:04:16< timotei> Espreon|Wii: order is on his way?:)
20100813 23:04:26< timotei> or it isn't ordered yet?
20100813 23:04:33< timotei> do you picked up an alienware? dell ?
20100813 23:04:42< timotei> or custom built?
20100813 23:05:38< Espreon|Wii> "Order is on his way" ¿Qué?
20100813 23:06:47< Espreon|Wii> No, it has not been ordered yet.
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20100813 23:29:29< Espreon|Wii> Pffft.... I wish I didn't have to do this stupid senior project thing... Bah... Japanese... blargh...
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20100813 23:29:47< Espreon|Wii> The only Japanese word one needs to know is "desu".
20100813 23:30:03< Espreon|Wii> This better not end in a disaster...
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20100813 23:33:27< Espreon|Wii> I should have just done some stupid Romance language...
20100813 23:33:59< Espreon|Wii> But no... I actually wanted to get something out of this!
20100813 23:36:24< Espreon|Wii> shadowmaster: Why do I have to be the one who actually wants to learn things?
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20100813 23:57:49< Gambit> "I'm not interested in putting X's in some silly form"
20100813 23:57:56< Gambit> Ha people are still taking that seriously.
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20100813 23:59:47< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/95-Wesnoth.org-and-the-Prosilver-transition.html
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