--- Log opened Sat Aug 14 00:00:38 2010
20100814 00:03:40< Gambit> noooooooooooooo
20100814 00:07:53< Gambit> I guess I should start getting used to it now then.
20100814 00:09:56< Gambit> shadowmaster: Did you mention how rediculously wide the sidebar is?
20100814 00:10:02 * Gambit is still reading blog post
20100814 00:10:49< Gambit> oooh embedded IRC
20100814 00:14:06< Gambit> whoa what's this?
20100814 00:14:09< Gambit> Sapient played BG?
20100814 00:14:53< shadowmaster> Gambit: in where?
20100814 00:15:21< shadowmaster> I mean the ridiculously wide sidebar
20100814 00:17:43< Gambit> shadowmaster: prosilver
20100814 00:17:49< Gambit> It's at least 400 pixels
20100814 00:18:01< shadowmaster> complain to upstream
20100814 00:18:23< Gambit> I don't know upstream :\
20100814 00:18:32< Gambit> shadowmaster: It's like one line of CSS
20100814 00:18:37< shadowmaster> www.phpbb.com
20100814 00:18:41< Gambit> In fact I'm pretty sure it is one line of CSS
20100814 00:18:42< shadowmaster> yes, I knw it's like one line.
20100814 00:18:45< Gambit> Exactly one line
20100814 00:18:52< shadowmaster> you aren't one to teach me CSS.
20100814 00:19:16< shadowmaster> I have at least three CSS changes pending for prosilver in my tree
20100814 00:19:31< Gambit> I could teach you CFML though.
20100814 00:21:09< Gambit> Speaking of BG though. I really should download wesnoth tonight.
20100814 00:21:22< Gambit> It's amazing how my being here has absolutely nothing to do with the game anymore.
20100814 00:21:42< Gambit> And because it makes me feel smarter; I'm going to get the source again. 8)
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20100814 03:05:24< Gambit> The scientology TV commercials are really starting to piss me off.
20100814 03:05:30< Gambit> How did they get that shit on television?
20100814 03:05:58< shadowm_laptop> scientology?!
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20100814 03:28:57< noy> is that the one with the sunrise?
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20100814 03:49:42< Gambit> noy: It's the one with the people who've searched their whole lives
20100814 03:49:44< Gambit> And dolphins
20100814 03:49:50< noy> right
20100814 03:49:55< noy> ends with a sunrise?
20100814 03:49:58< Gambit> Because you can trust something with dolphins in it!
20100814 03:50:05< Gambit> noy: Dunno I ussually tune it out
20100814 04:01:19< Gambit> shadowmaster: What's new, exciting, and possibly fluffy?
20100814 04:02:48< shadowmaster> that I discovered how to make frogatto select the correct visual for stencil buffer support on Radeon KMS (R600-RS780 DRI/DRI2, Mesa 7.9-devel)
20100814 04:03:46< shadowmaster> I also fixed two bugs in my site's stylesheets to pass CSS3 validation minus errors on vendor-specific rules and warnings on color combinations.
20100814 04:04:32< shadowmaster> *preliminary CSS3
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20100814 04:19:49< shadowmaster> how odd. The card reader isn't working anymore
20100814 04:20:44< shadowmaster> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:0158 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. USB 2.0 multicard reader
20100814 04:20:51< shadowmaster> hm.
20100814 04:21:08< shadowmaster> maybe I accidentally disabled a relevant module in the kernel config at some point...
20100814 04:24:45< Gambit> Yeah that's probably it
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20100814 04:24:59< shadowmaster> no, it's being recognized.
20100814 04:25:11< Gambit> Yeah that can't be it.
20100814 04:25:29< Espreon|Wii> OK, we're getting the desktop on the 30th... yay...
20100814 04:25:34< shadowmaster> I guess something else is screwed up somewhere. Odd that all other USB devices including my hard disk, the USB modem's drivers storage, the cell phone and my pendrives are correctly detected.
20100814 04:26:32< shadowmaster> I've got the photos I needed using the phone's USB cable anyway
20100814 04:26:57< Espreon|Wii> Hopefully, that silly USB wireless... thingy will work well with Linux... If it doesn't... it never came. And then we'll just put the damn thing in the family room...
20100814 04:27:19< shadowmaster> it might not be a professional camera but it helps me with this stuff
20100814 04:29:37< Espreon|Wii> I hope installing Sabayon will go well... The damn thing'll have Windows 7... and if I can't get that to boot... yeahz...
20100814 04:30:57< shadowmaster> got it
20100814 04:31:03< shadowmaster> now to report back to the Radeon devs
20100814 04:31:29< Espreon|Wii> shadowmaster: ... about what?
20100814 04:33:00< Espreon|Wii> What happened?
20100814 04:34:58< shadowmaster> normal cursor vs. Giant Cursor of Doom
20100814 04:35:09< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/files/kms_good_cursor.jpg
20100814 04:35:12< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/files/kms_giant_blinking_cursor_of_doom.jpg
20100814 04:36:03< Espreon|Wii> Hmmm... I see...
20100814 04:36:19< shadowmaster> your catchphrase makes me sick.
20100814 04:36:35< Espreon|Wii> I know, right?
20100814 04:36:52< shadowmaster> doesn't seem to be so
20100814 04:37:11< Espreon|Wii> Hmmm... I see...
20100814 04:37:51< shadowmaster> +q
20100814 04:38:54< Espreon|Wii> Sigh...
20100814 04:38:54< shadowmaster> oh, lovely, KERNEL_STACK_INPAGE_ERROR
20100814 04:38:55< shadowmaster> I guess VirtualBox is suffering from that anti-XP bug again.
20100814 04:39:17< Espreon|Wii> Oh? What is this bug of which you speak?
20100814 04:39:19< shadowmaster> it doesn't even reset the hardware cursor on the BSOD
20100814 04:39:26< Gambit> I need a catchy new title for GEB
20100814 04:39:34< shadowmaster> a random bug that nobody cares about.
20100814 04:39:36< Gambit> Something without my name.
20100814 04:40:31< shadowmaster> mainly because it's not been reported yet and I can't figure out a deterministic method for reproducing it.
20100814 04:40:39 * Gambit wonders if ToD cahgne events are in the game yet
20100814 04:41:09< shadowmaster> argh.
20100814 04:41:15< shadowmaster> I left my kubuntu ISO in the external HDD
20100814 04:41:29< Espreon|Wii> Well, I spread the good news... and now I'm bored... back to lurking EDF...
20100814 04:41:47< shadowmaster> I'll leave the repartitioning for another day
20100814 04:42:37< Gambit> why are there all these files everywhere with filename~
20100814 04:42:50< Espreon|Wii> Nah... EDF can wait...
20100814 04:43:08< Espreon|Wii> Ugh... partitioning... that'll be fun...
20100814 04:43:14 * Gambit does not like hidden phantom copies of files
20100814 04:43:43< Gambit> _main.cfg and _main.cfg~
20100814 04:43:49< Gambit> identicle...
20100814 04:44:18< Espreon|Wii> Gambit: Those are backup copies...
20100814 04:44:34< Espreon|Wii> Which editor do you use?
20100814 04:44:37< Gambit> kate
20100814 04:44:51< Espreon|Wii> Then go disable the feature if you hate it.
20100814 04:45:09< Gambit> I do hate it.
20100814 04:45:13< Gambit> Thank you.
20100814 04:45:49< Espreon|Wii> Then go disable it... Bah... if only my graphical memory didn't suck...
20100814 04:45:50< shadowmaster> Settings -> Editor Component -> Open/Savve -> Advanced -> Backup on save
20100814 04:46:08< Gambit> Yes I found it.
20100814 04:46:18 * Gambit makes his own backups tyvm Kate.
20100814 04:46:24< Gambit> Why would anyone want that as a default?
20100814 04:46:34< shadowmaster> vim and emacs also make backups by default IIRC
20100814 04:46:53< Espreon|Wii> If vim and emacs do it, then it must be great!
20100814 04:46:55< shadowmaster> it's a historical thing
20100814 04:47:06< shadowmaster> your sarcasm is not required
20100814 04:47:35< Espreon|Wii> Your new personality is not required.
20100814 04:47:55< shadowmaster> go away
20100814 04:48:21< Espreon|Wii> Did you actually say that?
20100814 04:48:34< Gambit> CAN'T YOU SEE THAT YOUR CONSTANT FIGHTING IS TEARING THIS CHANNEL APART!?!?
20100814 04:48:50< shadowmaster> YOU ARE TEARING ME APART, ESPREON!
20100814 04:49:01< shadowmaster> (cookie for the person who gets the reference)
20100814 04:49:09< Espreon|Wii> SO ARE YOU!
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20100814 04:49:30< shadowmaster> come back when you get a clue.
20100814 04:49:41< Gambit> clearly it is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KbMtzLEok8
20100814 04:50:08< shadowmaster> Gambit: wrong.
20100814 04:50:20< Gambit> shadowmaster: I should hope so. :)
20100814 04:50:35< shadowmaster> Gambit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plz-bhcHryc
20100814 04:50:38< shadowmaster> that's the correct one
20100814 04:50:55< Gambit> Yes that was the first google hit.
20100814 04:51:00< Gambit> I didn't recognize it at all though.
20100814 04:51:36< Gambit> What's this? I can't copy files out of an archive?
20100814 04:51:50< Gambit> That is so WindowsXP
20100814 04:52:22< shadowmaster> you can.
20100814 04:52:32< shadowmaster> unless your system is broken. What program are you using for that?
20100814 04:52:59< shadowmaster> Konqueror and Dolphin have their own builtin archive support that is easier to use than ark's for viewing files.
20100814 04:53:37< Gambit> It's whatever the default for ubuntu-gnome is. A zip file on my external harddrive
20100814 04:53:46< Gambit> Bat rastard made me extract it first.
20100814 04:54:09< shadowmaster> okay, I've got nothing to do with GNOME.
20100814 04:54:27< shadowmaster> since I consider it to be as user-unfriendly as you can get with a popular desktop environment.
20100814 04:55:33< Gambit> shadowmaster: Also NSYNC was a mega popular 90's pop band that burnt out very quickly
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20100814 04:55:55< Gambit> Anytime I ever mention them you can assume me to be rofl'ing
20100814 04:56:32< shadowmaster> the song sounds familiar to me somehow.
20100814 04:59:10< Gambit> Maybe it was translated to spanish.
20100814 05:01:04< Gambit> I wish kate had WML syntax highlighting
20100814 05:01:14< shadowmaster> it has
20100814 05:01:23< shadowmaster> I wrote it. You can fetch it from wesnoth-umc-dev's SVN repo
20100814 05:02:38< shadowmaster> shikadibot: dir /branches/wml-tools/katepart-syntax
20100814 05:02:38<+shikadibot> Web interface URL to directory /branches/wml-tools/katepart-syntax: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/branches/wml-tools/katepart-syntax
20100814 05:03:23< shadowmaster> download wml.xml, and read the instructions in the README
20100814 05:03:27< Gambit> shikadibot: Thanks
20100814 05:03:28<+shikadibot> Gambit: No problem.
20100814 05:04:02< shadowmaster> also, many English/US bands are also popular here, s why not? :P
20100814 05:04:13< shadowmaster> most chileans don't care if it's in English.
20100814 05:04:23< shadowmaster> even though they have no fucking idea of what it says.
20100814 05:05:10< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GratuitousEnglish
20100814 05:05:43< shadowmaster> "Gratuitous English is not exclusive to Japan: [...] Gratuitous English is also widespread in Mexico, where it's widely used in advertising and in youth slang (words like "cool", "fresh", "fashion" and "nice" are common among preppy youths), and is also part of Spanglish, a mixture of English and Spanish spoken in the northernmost states and within Hispanic communities in the USA. [...]"
20100814 05:06:38< shadowmaster> they don't mention that it's widespread in Chile.
20100814 05:07:38< Gambit> shikadibot: It works!
20100814 05:07:53< shadowmaster> you mean shadowmaster 
20100814 05:07:53< Gambit> err
20100814 05:07:56< Gambit> shadowmaster: 
20100814 05:08:08< shadowmaster> of course it works. I WROTE IT! >:)
20100814 05:08:24< Gambit> yeah ussually sh<tab> is you, but I guess since the last person was shikadibot...
20100814 05:08:24< shadowmaster> well, not really. I extended it.
20100814 05:08:57< shadowmaster> I made so many modifications to the original that I could say that half of it in the last version was wrote by me.
20100814 05:09:05< shadowmaster> *written
20100814 05:09:25< Gambit> Just use Doc's philosophy.
20100814 05:09:43< Gambit> (or Microsoft's)
20100814 05:09:48< Gambit> The two kind of overlap a bit.
20100814 05:10:29< Gambit> And that philosophy is of course "I edited the crap out of this. It is mine now."
20100814 05:10:36< Gambit> And that is not bad.
20100814 05:11:33< Gambit> I'm going to start working on TEB tomorow.
20100814 05:11:55< Gambit> Due to the wheelbarrow load of terrain types in 1.9 I'm going to have to simplify things a lot.
20100814 05:12:10< Gambit> tile on tile interactions will play a much larger role than the autofoliage of GEB.
20100814 05:12:53< Gambit> Many terrains will become synonymous. Re and Gg will do the exact same thing, but during the day RE will turn into GE.
20100814 05:13:01< shadowmaster> that philosophy is bad.
20100814 05:13:10< shadowmaster> the GNU GPL allows me to redistribute my modifications, though. Always.
20100814 05:13:22< shadowmaster> the copyright is split between the original author(s) and me
20100814 05:13:45< Gambit> shadowmaster: EEE isn't all bad. The second E keeps things moving forward.
20100814 05:13:54< Gambit> The first E creates a standard.
20100814 05:14:12< shadowmaster> what is EEE?
20100814 05:14:18< Gambit> Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
20100814 05:14:49< Gambit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
20100814 05:14:50< shadowmaster> we don't follow that philosophy around here.
20100814 05:15:15< Gambit> Yes the third E tengs to stagnate things a bit...
20100814 05:15:26< Gambit> But if the product is better than before then I don't think it matters.
20100814 05:15:41< Gambit> Eventually something will EEE your version of whatever you EEE'd.
20100814 05:15:53< Gambit> Look at IE for example.
20100814 05:16:11< Gambit> After embracing, extending, and extinguishing netscape, they stopped moving forward.
20100814 05:16:26< Gambit> And now it is being curb-stomped
20100814 05:16:37< Gambit> The act of EEE advances the software. 
20100814 05:16:42< Gambit> And if the EEE'er wants to stay on top
20100814 05:16:45< Gambit> They must keep advancing.
20100814 05:16:48< Gambit> Consumers win.
20100814 05:17:28< Gambit> There is less wrong with the philosophy than open source zealots would have us believe.
20100814 05:17:39< Gambit> At least in free markets.
20100814 05:17:53< Gambit> Consumers *WILL* pick the better product.
20100814 05:17:57< Gambit> Always.
20100814 05:18:57< Gambit> The people who refuse to cooperate with other companies for fear of being EEE'd; they are the enemies of progress.
20100814 05:19:01< Gambit> Not the EEE'ers.
20100814 05:19:08< shadowmaster> go discuss that with esr.
20100814 05:19:17< Gambit> Yes the EEE'ers are greedy bastards. They don't intentionally advance anything.
20100814 05:19:23< Gambit> Unless it makes them $$$
20100814 05:19:24< shadowmaster> +q
20100814 05:19:30< Gambit> But they do advance it.
20100814 05:19:35< Gambit> shadowmaster: How do you think I learned the term?
20100814 05:19:38< shadowmaster> +q, second warning.
20100814 05:19:43< Gambit> A wiki walk starting at ESR :)
20100814 05:19:56< shadowmaster> +q, third and last warning
20100814 05:20:03< Gambit> -_- good night
20100814 05:20:10< shadowmaster> good night
20100814 05:20:18< shadowmaster> take care
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20100814 07:09:18<+CIA-12> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * r140158e52ea3 /styles/prosilver/theme/content.css: prosilver: reduced profile width in viewtopic
20100814 07:17:54<+CIA-12> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * r95f19afc604a /styles/prosilver/template/overall_header.html: prosilver: fix invalid HTML generation introduced in 4f3d68be51201ab14e84516c577215da298e6ae9
20100814 07:26:26<+CIA-12> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * rfec8c3876180 /styles/prosilver/imageset/ (21 files): 
20100814 07:26:26<+CIA-12> Wesnoth-forums: prosilver: Replace topic icons with an alternate imageset
20100814 07:26:26<+CIA-12> Wesnoth-forums: (Can't remember where I took it from...)
20100814 07:44:56<+CIA-12> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * rd4c4c808b350 /styles/prosilver/theme/content.css: prosilver: Remove image attachment boxes' size constraints
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20100814 14:20:37< Gambit> The forum is made of lists?
20100814 14:20:41< Gambit> Interesting...
20100814 15:02:11< Gambit> I just realized that Minecraft is using a modified version of prosilver http://www.minecraftforum.net/
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20100814 17:54:57< Gambit> I ♥ trunk's map editor
20100814 18:07:22< timotei> :)
20100814 18:38:14< Gambit> timotei: In your opinion which is better
20100814 18:38:19< timotei> ?
20100814 18:38:22< Gambit> long-arse really descriptive variable names
20100814 18:38:34< Gambit> or shorter might-be-harder-for-others-to-figure-out variable names?
20100814 18:39:22< timotei> medium ones :))
20100814 18:39:32< timotei> depends on scope
20100814 18:39:43< timotei> if local(inside a method, usually short ones go)
20100814 18:39:51< timotei> outside, more of descriptive ones
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20100814 19:23:38< Gambit> aww man my tide simulator hangs the game massively at dawn
20100814 19:26:13< Gambit> I'm guessing it's because of find_in
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20100814 20:41:47< Gambit> I want a [perl] tag :(
20100814 20:43:07< timotei> no!
20100814 20:43:25< timotei> I don't like ending with embedding all kind of languages
20100814 20:44:19< Gambit> timotei: Oh yeah... that makes more work for your plugin aye?
20100814 20:44:27< timotei> not really
20100814 20:44:31< timotei> I mean, I don't know
20100814 20:44:34< Gambit> timotei: Then why not? :(
20100814 20:44:48< timotei> ...
20100814 20:44:49< timotei> IDK
20100814 20:44:55< timotei> I just don't feel it
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20100814 20:55:32< Gambit> duuuuude
20100814 20:55:36< Gambit> a,b = b,a
20100814 20:55:53< Gambit> Lua doesn't look nearly as fugly on its own.
20100814 20:56:09< Gambit> I must just be the horrid documentation in the wesnoth wiki
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20100814 23:00:42< Espreon|Wii> Gambit: If you think that the Lua documentation in the wiki is so horrible, why don't you complain to silene?
20100814 23:09:19< shadowmaster> apparently new2 is going back to his old ways.
20100814 23:10:13< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=215067#p215067
20100814 23:10:19< shadowmaster> compare: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=449548#p449548
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20100814 23:30:20< Gambit> Interesting.
20100814 23:33:16< Gambit> shadowmaster: another prosilver gripe; on the index page the furthest right column stretches to fill the screen. I think it should be fixed width, and any stretching should be on the first column (the one with the descriptions)
20100814 23:33:36< Gambit> same with the thread list view directly inside a subforum
20100814 23:34:17< Gambit> The prosilver designer must be on an ancient CRT monitor
20100814 23:34:28< Gambit> Or he has never maximized his browser.
20100814 23:35:01< Gambit> The columns that stretch are just so bassackwards
20100814 23:36:43< shadowmaster> prosilver tends to look better if turned into a fixed-width style as it is in www.phpbb.com's forum board
20100814 23:37:33< Gambit> I like the fact that it takes full advantage of widescreen monitors. It's just very dumb about how it does it.
20100814 23:38:14< Gambit> Also I looked at the forums source for the first time yesterday. The entire thing is bulletless lists. o_O I never thought of that...
20100814 23:41:40< shadowmaster> that's HTML semantics for you.
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20100814 23:45:19< Gambit> I wonder if that's better or worse than divs+CSS
20100814 23:45:39< Gambit> (Man, and I just got used to using tables...)
20100814 23:46:10< Gambit> I want to write a CFML forum
20100814 23:46:21< Aethaeryn> CFML forum?
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20100814 23:46:49< Gambit> Aethaeryn: vs a php one like pretty much all of them
20100814 23:46:59< shadowmaster> Gambit: semantics are important for nonstandard mediums.
20100814 23:47:28< shadowmaster> braille displays, TTS engines, tty UAs, XML parsers, etc.
20100814 23:47:58< shadowmaster> hence my website's navbar is effectively a list with custom CSS rules to make it look like a...navbar
20100814 23:49:46< Aethaeryn> Gambit: why CFML?
20100814 23:49:55< shadowmaster> please don't talk about CFML here
20100814 23:50:13< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Becuase it hasn't been done.
20100814 23:50:35< Gambit> Because I Can™
20100814 23:50:52< Gambit> shadowmaster: Okay
20100814 23:50:53< Gambit> :(
20100814 23:51:05< Aethaeryn> It hasn't been done in whatever obscure language I haven't made yet, either.
20100814 23:51:08< Aethaeryn> :-P
20100814 23:51:21 * Gambit bites tongue
20100814 23:51:52< Gambit> And by that I, of course, mean "really really wants to go off on a rant".
20100814 23:52:00< Gambit> But I shan't.
20100814 23:53:14< Aethaeryn> The only on-topic languages are PHP, Lua, C++, WML, a bit of Python (wmllint), and maybe a bit of Perl, HTML, etc.
20100814 23:53:43< Gambit> No ruby?
20100814 23:53:56< shadowmaster> mainly because nobody agrees that CFMOL is good for anything around here.
20100814 23:53:59< shadowmaster> CFML
20100814 23:54:02< shadowmaster> not even Zarel
20100814 23:54:11< Gambit> I agree.
20100814 23:54:29< shadowmaster> so it's like talking about luckless Wesnoth in #wesnoth
20100814 23:54:43< Gambit> shadowmaster: s/agress that CFMOL is good for anything/has actually ever tried it/
20100814 23:54:58< shadowmaster> should I ban you?
20100814 23:56:02< Gambit> If you two expect to keep talking crap about my favorite web language and do not want any responses; then yes. Probably.
20100814 23:56:09< Aethaeryn> Gambit: I've never tried VisualBasic.
20100814 23:56:15< Aethaeryn> It's a piece of shit language
20100814 23:56:26< Aethaeryn> So you don't have to try something to dismiss it
20100814 23:56:32< Aethaeryn> Just sayin'
20100814 23:56:37< Aethaeryn> Doesn't apply to CFML though
20100814 23:56:41< Aethaeryn> Since my stance is neutral
20100814 23:56:46< Aethaeryn> And that's all i have to say about CFML
20100814 23:56:58< Gambit> Aethaeryn: But you know why VB is shit? You've learned at least something about it.
20100814 23:57:21< Aethaeryn> let's take it to #wesnoth-music
20100814 23:57:23< Aethaeryn> so you don't get banned
20100814 23:57:26< Aethaeryn> also, read my lines there
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