--- Log opened Mon Aug 16 00:00:51 2010
20100816 00:04:33< Gambit> shadowmaster: I found something VLC won't play o_O
20100816 00:07:30< Gambit> In fact, nothing here will...
20100816 00:07:36< Gambit> Well that sucks.
20100816 00:07:41< Gambit> I hope it's just a defective DVD.
20100816 00:09:37< Gambit> Movie player says it can't read it
20100816 00:09:54< Gambit> VLC player says it doesn't know how to play it and "There's nothing you can do to fix this."
20100816 00:10:00< Gambit> And gnome player just crashed utterly
20100816 00:10:17< Gambit> This is why movie rental places should allow you to confirm the movie works first
20100816 00:11:09< shadowm_laptop> dmesg
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20100816 00:11:25< shadowm_laptop> I'm pretty sure it's because of that encryption thing used to copy-protect DVDs.
20100816 00:12:18< Gambit> shadowmaster: Wtf?
20100816 00:12:25< Gambit> So you can't play movies?!
20100816 00:12:32< shadowm_laptop> there's a way.
20100816 00:12:39< shadowm_laptop> but pastebin your dmesg output first
20100816 00:13:06< shadowm_laptop> I want to confirm whether Ubuntu has the same patent/export restrictions as Debian
20100816 00:14:15< Gambit> And yeah it's not a defective DVD.
20100816 00:14:20< Gambit> (waiting for pastebin to load...)
20100816 00:15:16< Gambit> pastebin.com is down?
20100816 00:15:30< shadowm_laptop> looks like it is
20100816 00:15:40< shadowm_laptop> shikadibot: paste
20100816 00:15:40<+shikadibot> shadowm_laptop: Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com
20100816 00:15:48< shadowm_laptop> shikadibot: fuck you.
20100816 00:15:50< Gambit> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/pastebin.com
20100816 00:16:26< Gambit> (I need to give janebot a command that goes there)
20100816 00:16:30< Gambit> Or rather clairebot
20100816 00:16:32< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: dmesg | tail
20100816 00:16:37< shadowm_laptop> paste that to me in a query
20100816 00:17:24< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: it's what I suspected.
20100816 00:17:35< Gambit> Darn :(
20100816 00:17:38< shadowm_laptop> Ubuntu isn't allowed to ship the encryption lib
20100816 00:17:43< shadowm_laptop> you might be able to get it separately
20100816 00:17:46< shadowm_laptop> ask in #ubuntu
20100816 00:17:50< Gambit> Is it legal?
20100816 00:17:59< shadowm_laptop> not completely sure but I don't care
20100816 00:18:00< loonycyborg> shadowm_laptop: So lack of dvd decryption support causes a dmesg message?
20100816 00:18:07< Gambit> Wait it has to be...
20100816 00:18:11< Gambit> How does WMP do it?
20100816 00:18:13< shadowm_laptop> at least in Debian I got it from an unofficial repository managed by Debian developers
20100816 00:18:25< shadowm_laptop> the thing is that Microsoft pays for the patents or whatever
20100816 00:18:36< Gambit> OH
20100816 00:18:36< shadowm_laptop> loonycyborg: yes
20100816 00:18:38< loonycyborg> Gambit: iirc it's illegal only in US.
20100816 00:19:00< shadowm_laptop> loonycyborg: 
20100816 00:19:01< shadowm_laptop> 18:17:14 <Gambit> [36755.332298] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
20100816 00:19:05< shadowm_laptop> 18:17:15 <Gambit> [36755.332304] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] 
20100816 00:19:11< shadowm_laptop> 18:17:17 <Gambit> [36755.332308] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Read of scrambled sector without authentication
20100816 00:19:21< shadowm_laptop> 18:17:25 <Gambit> [36755.332315] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 02 10 00 00 40 00
20100816 00:19:23< shadowm_laptop> notice the third line
20100816 00:19:47< shadowm_laptop> I think it's libdvdcss what provides that crap
20100816 00:19:48< Gambit> shadowmaster: according to a google search ubuntu includes a script that, when run, installs libdvdcss2
20100816 00:20:10< shadowm_laptop> that's what you need
20100816 00:20:34< Gambit> but it's not found here :\
20100816 00:20:38< shadowm_laptop> hmm
20100816 00:20:49< Gambit> oh well no wonder these instructions are for 6.04
20100816 00:21:00< shadowm_laptop> one question.
20100816 00:21:00< shadowm_laptop> why don't you ask in #ubuntu?
20100816 00:21:26< Gambit> Because wiki's are so much more helpful
20100816 00:21:37< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: never mind
20100816 00:21:40< shadowm_laptop> read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
20100816 00:21:50< Gambit> yep that's where I'm at now
20100816 00:22:04< shadowm_laptop> and in my experience the ##linux, ##hardware and #debian people are quite helpful
20100816 00:22:17< shadowm_laptop> no idea about #ubuntu which has like over nine thousand users.
20100816 00:22:36< Gambit> Oh well in my experience my threads on the ubuntu forums die without so much as a single response
20100816 00:22:53< Gambit> well thread singular
20100816 00:22:54< shadowm_laptop> the #radeon people are also helpful whenever they are around.
20100816 00:23:48< shadowm_laptop> anyway that article should helpful. At least it claims to work for Ubuntu 10.04
20100816 00:23:49< Gambit> Gotta restart
20100816 00:23:53< shadowm_laptop> *should be
20100816 00:23:55< shadowm_laptop> wait, what?
20100816 00:24:04< shadowm_laptop> don't restart
20100816 00:24:07< shadowm_laptop> just sudo ldconfig
20100816 00:24:08< Gambit> Or at least I hope that's why it's not working yet.
20100816 00:24:09< shadowm_laptop> restart vlc
20100816 00:24:11< shadowm_laptop> it should work
20100816 00:25:22< shadowm_laptop> it'd be a shame if Ubuntu required rebooting for something that simple, while I never have to reboot my Debian laptop after installing software.
20100816 00:25:43< Gambit> shadowmaster: cool. Thanks
20100816 00:25:49< shadowm_laptop> works?
20100816 00:26:16< loonycyborg> iirc my ubuntu install asked to reboot only on kernel upgrades, which makes sense..
20100816 00:32:43< Gambit> shadowmaster: Sic
20100816 00:33:08< Gambit> Or at least Advent Children does
20100816 00:33:11< Gambit> I'll try the rental again
20100816 00:33:53< Gambit> Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs (don't judge me!)
20100816 00:36:11< Gambit> Or according to this Cloudy with a Chance of Meatba0x01
20100816 00:36:57< Gambit> (The character 0x01)
20100816 00:37:04< Gambit> (Not actually "0x01"
20100816 00:39:20< Gambit> Wow the way they modeled the eyes in this movie is beyond creepy.
20100816 00:39:30< Gambit> Not quite as creepy as Uncharted 2
20100816 00:39:34< Gambit> But still quite creepy.
20100816 00:39:55< shadowmaster> People, we have...a TROPE!
20100816 00:39:57< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UncannyValley
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20100816 00:57:48< Aethaeryn> Okay, I think I've managed to group the major free programming languages, excluding Basic which no one should ever use.
20100816 00:57:51< Aethaeryn> http://a.imageshack.us/img571/5265/majorlanguages.png
20100816 00:58:11< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: How badly did I fail?
20100816 01:02:42< Gambit> Movie contains pseudo c++?
20100816 01:02:55< Gambit> He was randomly typing and one of the lines said
20100816 01:03:10< Gambit> menu(cin>bacon{crispy}>)
20100816 01:03:13< Aethaeryn> Gambit: You can give your opinion too btw.
20100816 01:03:27< Aethaeryn> Gambit: And taht looks more like (lisp(((()))))
20100816 01:03:41< Gambit> does lisp have cin?
20100816 01:04:14< Gambit> okay actually 
20100816 01:04:16< Gambit> paused the movie
20100816 01:04:23< Gambit> and the full exact code follows:
20100816 01:04:24< Aethaeryn> what movie?
20100816 01:04:40< Gambit> > INPUTFOOD CODE:
20100816 01:04:58< Gambit> MENU <BACON>;V,'CRISPY':
20100816 01:05:06< Gambit> (CIN>>EGGS)OVEREASY//
20100816 01:05:20< Gambit> N++(TOAST);
20100816 01:06:04< Aethaeryn> wow, that's ugly code.
20100816 01:06:10< Aethaeryn> e.g. // starts a comment in some languages, I think.
20100816 01:06:41< Aethaeryn> no indentation
20100816 01:06:46< Aethaeryn> All caps
20100816 01:06:49< Aethaeryn> I'm expecting a GOTO
20100816 01:07:01< Gambit>  />>LIQ,(O_J)N:(NOPULP)<
20100816 01:07:16< Gambit> Last line took longer. I forgot to space before / and had to rewind and retype
20100816 01:07:29< Gambit> And rewinding is tough on long movies
20100816 01:07:34< Gambit> At least with the scrollbar it is
20100816 01:07:50< Gambit> Aethaeryn: no indentation
20100816 01:07:52< Aethaeryn> you can't press "up"?
20100816 01:07:53< Gambit> all caps
20100816 01:08:18< Aethaeryn> 10 GOTO 30
20100816 01:08:20< Gambit> It seems to be like that episode of CSI
20100816 01:08:22< Aethaeryn> 20 GOTO 10
20100816 01:08:26< Aethaeryn> 30 GOTO 40
20100816 01:08:29< Aethaeryn> 40 GOTO 20
20100816 01:08:30< Gambit> They got real programmers to give them real examples of real terminology
20100816 01:08:36< Gambit> But not any real usage at all.
20100816 01:08:56< Gambit> Anyway. Back to the movie.
20100816 01:09:17< Aethaeryn> what movie?
20100816 01:09:27< Gambit> Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs
20100816 01:09:35< Aethaeryn> ah
20100816 01:09:39< Gambit> Hmm I guess with doesn't get capitalized
20100816 01:21:15< shadowmaster> that's a horrible attempt at C++.
20100816 01:21:54< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Maybe it's perl.
20100816 01:21:54< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: XHTML, CSS, HTML are not programming languages.
20100816 01:21:56< shadowmaster> how many times do I have to say it.
20100816 01:22:01< shadowmaster> XHTML, CSS, HTML are not programming languages.
20100816 01:22:11< shadowmaster> and no, that isn't even valid Perl.
20100816 01:22:17< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: And I know they're not.
20100816 01:22:19< Aethaeryn> Thus italics.
20100816 01:22:33< Aethaeryn> But I suppose I could just delete that whole column.
20100816 01:22:46< shadowmaster> you advertised it as a group of the "major free programming languages"
20100816 01:22:55< shadowmaster> and I learned programming with BASIC.
20100816 01:23:02< shadowmaster> take that as you will.
20100816 01:23:23< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: see #wesnoth-music for a channel flooded with *my* BASIC programming. :-P
20100816 01:23:36< shadowmaster> Assembly isn't really a single programming language.
20100816 01:23:39< Aethaeryn> Also, just look at an image in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhpBB
20100816 01:23:44< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spacetrace_forum.png
20100816 01:23:52< Aethaeryn> Read the forum descriptions *cringe*
20100816 01:24:11< shadowmaster> that's not relevant
20100816 01:24:22< shadowmaster> don't try to switch the conversation's subject.
20100816 01:24:57< Aethaeryn> sorry
20100816 01:25:11< shadowmaster> also, XHTML is basically a group of XML implementations of HTML DTDs.
20100816 01:25:34< Aethaeryn> <shadowmaster> and I learned programming with BASIC. <- I learned programming with WML. Take *that* as you will.
20100816 01:25:57< shadowmaster> XSLT is sometimes considered a programming language although I haven't used it.
20100816 01:26:45< shadowmaster> bash's scripting language is a derivative of the original Bourne shell's language.
20100816 01:27:02< shadowmaster> and there are countless other Unix shells with their own variants or completely different scripting languages.
20100816 01:28:52< Aethaeryn> I was going to say that bash is the most major, but then I remembered about Mac OS X
20100816 01:29:21< shadowmaster> bashisms are frowned upon by Linux distributors, particularly Debian
20100816 01:29:48< shadowmaster> you might say that a more Bourne-compatible variant is what's preferred for applications such as the SysV-derived init scripts
20100816 01:30:16< shadowmaster> there, I'm proving once again that you don't need to use a source-based distribution to know how your system works.
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20100816 02:06:15< Gambit> Peter!
20100816 02:07:12< Gambit> Aethaeryn: The bot responds to version requests.
20100816 02:07:17< Gambit> She also does:
20100816 02:07:19< Gambit> janebot: !version
20100816 02:07:19<+janebot> Gambit: Written in Perl and CFML. Hosted on ColdFusion9 Developer Edition installed on Apache 2 on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
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20100816 02:24:46< Gambit> Oh cute: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=382782#p382782
20100816 02:24:58< Gambit> I thought I'd get yet another add-on done this summer.
20100816 02:25:05< Gambit> Silly me from the past.
20100816 02:25:42< Gambit> Actually I had time.
20100816 02:25:44< Gambit> I wasted a lot of it.
20100816 02:25:49< Gambit> janebot: Wasted on you!
20100816 02:25:49<+janebot> Gambit: I refuse to answer that.
20100816 02:26:23< Gambit> Being an unemployed teenager, I had all the time in the world.
20100816 02:26:23<+janebot> Teenagers scare the living s*** out of me.
20100816 02:29:30< PeterPorty> ...
20100816 02:29:39< PeterPorty> MCR
20100816 02:35:32< Aethaeryn> Gambit: you're only a teen?
20100816 02:35:32<+janebot> Teenagers scare the living s*** out of me.
20100816 02:35:44< Gambit> Aethaeryn: 18
20100816 02:35:55< Aethaeryn> oh, you're just a naive kid
20100816 02:35:59< Aethaeryn> that explains everything
20100816 02:36:42< Gambit> janebot: test?
20100816 02:36:43<+janebot> Gambit: Yep. Everything is working perfectly. Thanks for asking.
20100816 02:36:45< Gambit> teenager
20100816 02:36:50< Gambit> tell me something I don't know
20100816 02:36:56< Gambit> was fast
20100816 02:36:56<+wesbot> Gambit: Sometimes we are fast
20100816 02:37:01< Gambit> wrong channel
20100816 02:37:08< Gambit> Okay good.
20100816 02:37:24< Gambit> (That wasn't the wrong channel. I was testing her conversation trigger for "wrong channel")
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20100816 03:22:06< shadowmaster> niiiice. Prosilver shows the lastactive date in the memberlist
20100816 03:22:53< shadowmaster> that'll help me chase spambots faster.
20100816 04:14:57< shadowmaster> w00t, first Linux 2.6.36 RC!
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20100816 04:44:19< shadowmaster> Gambit: http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/?p=99
20100816 04:45:34< Gambit> shadowmaster: What's interesting is it has twice over twice as many downloads are legitimate add-ons from much earlier.
20100816 04:45:48< Gambit> Legitimate, very interesting add-ons if I do say so myself.
20100816 04:46:09< Gambit> (And that is not just because I made the one to which I refer.)
20100816 04:47:03< shadowmaster> right
20100816 04:47:55< shadowmaster> damn
20100816 04:48:12< shadowmaster> I think I deleted Soliton's instructions for removing add-ons from the server directly
20100816 04:49:05< shadowmaster> hopefully they are also in the server in some script
20100816 04:51:00< shadowmaster> gah, no
20100816 04:51:11< shadowmaster> I'll have to figure it out myself
20100816 04:53:29 * Gambit tries to figure out why he didn't get notified a while ago when he was highlighted in #wesnoth-dev
20100816 04:53:54< Gambit> Two hours ago...
20100816 05:05:17< Gambit> http://xkcdsucks.blogspot.com/2010/08/comic-778-some-kind-of-horrible-mistake.html
20100816 05:08:40< Gambit> janebot: bye
20100816 05:08:41<+janebot> Gambit: Bye.
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20100816 05:09:02< Gambit> Night all.
20100816 05:09:31< Gambit> (might watch tv for a bit)
20100816 05:17:10< shadowmaster> night
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20100816 05:52:03<+janebot> shadowmaster: He overdoes all jokes equally.
20100816 05:52:18<+janebot> He is an equal opportunity joke overduer.
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20100816 08:12:00< Espreon|Wii> Pffffft... overheating causing it my ass...
20100816 08:13:21< timotei> Espreon|Wii: ?
20100816 08:14:42< Espreon|Wii> timotei: I'm talking about my screen/GPU frying.
20100816 08:14:49< timotei> I tought so
20100816 08:14:52< timotei> the service guys?
20100816 08:15:17< Espreon|Wii> No, I was reading #wesnoth-dev's logs.
20100816 08:15:41< Espreon|Wii> ... shadowmaster said that the guys in #radeon thought so.
20100816 08:15:51< timotei> oh
20100816 08:15:52< timotei> lol
20100816 08:16:28< Espreon|Wii> As for that thing getting service... LOL... maybe if I somehow get a lot of money within a year.
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20100816 08:22:10< Espreon|Wii> Also, if I get that thing serviced, I'm having the following removed: the modem (LOL, I don't live in the South/wherever dialup reigns supreme), the ethernet card (I don't think that it works anymore), and the TV card (never used it). Cooling is über important (I noticed drops in my OpenGL performance when that thing had to focus on keeping itself cool)...
20100816 08:23:05< timotei> :)
20100816 08:39:17< shadowmaster> Espreon|Wii: try reading yesterday's log of #wesnoth-dev
20100816 08:39:27< shadowmaster> grep for "Gallium3D"
20100816 08:39:36< shadowmaster> alternatively I can paste to you in a query
20100816 08:39:41< shadowmaster> oh wait, you were reading already
20100816 08:40:13< shadowmaster> the overheating explanation is still sound though, because I could avoid damaging my laptop permanently by letting it rest for a couple of minutes
20100816 08:40:43< shadowmaster> I'd say that maybe something not quite handled by the ventilation fan could have overheated.
20100816 08:40:58< shadowmaster> that said, I'm going to compile a KMS 2.6.35 kernle now
20100816 08:41:11< shadowmaster> and switch to that for production unless I encounter further issues.
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20100816 09:15:35< shadowmaster> almost ready to deploy the new kernel
20100816 09:18:39< shadowmaster> zzzZZZZZZzzZzZzz
20100816 09:19:17< timotei> good night shadowmaster 
20100816 09:19:30< shadowmaster> not yet
20100816 09:19:44< shadowmaster> I must...install...kernel...
20100816 09:20:22< shadowmaster> the olaptop is busy cleaning up the remains of older kernels.
20100816 09:20:54< shadowmaster> since debian likes to run update-grub for every removed kernel, and since the GRUB 2 switch that thing takes horribly long to run.
20100816 09:21:28< timotei> good luck then 
20100816 09:21:30< shadowmaster> apparenty because it scans /boot *and* all partitions for bootable things, including Vista's bootloader
20100816 09:22:52< shadowmaster> you'd think someone would have figured out a way to delay the update-grub step to be run last, only once at the end of the dpkg run.
20100816 09:22:59< shadowmaster> dpkg batch job.
20100816 09:23:17< shadowmaster> but no.
20100816 09:24:13< timotei> hmm
20100816 09:24:18< timotei> upgrade-grub works fast for me
20100816 09:24:24< timotei> how many partitions do you have?
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20100816 09:24:31< shadowmaster> 10
20100816 09:24:39< shadowmaster> I mean 11
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20100816 09:29:39< shadowm_laptop> I...live?
20100816 09:30:01< shadowm_laptop> rebooting took 5 minutes? wow
20100816 09:30:43< shadowmaster> ahhhh, tearing-free videos
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20100816 09:50:27< shadowmaster> I'm feeling tempted to renice and iorenice the make process
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20100816 13:53:35< Gambit> Big ACP is big
20100816 14:00:20< Gambit> Automatic warning expiration. ♥
20100816 14:09:53< Gambit> Bump interval?
20100816 15:07:19< Gambit> shadowmaster: Okay viewtopic's bar width issues is one single CSS change
20100816 15:07:33< Gambit> forumlist is not as simple :(
20100816 15:08:02< Gambit> You can shrink the right bar, but it's still really wide. And the container for the forum names/descriptions doesn't have a class!!!
20100816 15:08:39< Gambit> You can shrink the width of the right bar's content, but I can't get its container to shrink
20100816 15:15:47< timotei> hmm, need help Gambit ?
20100816 15:15:58< Gambit> timotei: Not really
20100816 15:16:04< Gambit> Thanks for the offer though.
20100816 15:16:11< Gambit> (/me enjoys editing forums)
20100816 15:16:48< timotei> :)
20100816 15:16:50< timotei> yep
20100816 15:16:58< timotei> I've customized my own in some ways:D
20100816 15:22:32< Gambit> Hmmm apparently chrome blocks popups with no extra work for the user at all.
20100816 15:22:45< Gambit> So now I don't know what I'm looking for...
20100816 15:27:44< Gambit> http://www.phpbb3bbcodes.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=343
20100816 16:42:06< Gambit> sweet
20100816 16:42:13< Gambit> timotei: standby for awesome screenshot
20100816 16:42:24< timotei> ok
20100816 16:44:39< Gambit> timotei: http://imagebin.org/109920
20100816 16:44:42< Gambit> check out near the bottom right
20100816 16:44:48< Gambit> the top image is normal, the bottom image is hover
20100816 16:45:01< Gambit> A floating div instead of a javascript popup :D
20100816 16:45:20< Gambit> My CSS book was duuuusty
20100816 16:45:24< timotei> hmm
20100816 16:45:36< timotei> what top image?
20100816 16:45:45< Gambit> there's two screenshots in the image
20100816 16:45:54< Gambit> one on top of the other
20100816 16:47:02< Gambit> timotei: You see it now?
20100816 16:47:12< timotei> oh right
20100816 16:47:16< timotei> bottom not top
20100816 16:47:19< timotei> dumb me :))
20100816 16:47:22< timotei> hmm
20100816 16:47:30< timotei> excust me... but what was so hard?:P
20100816 16:47:38< timotei> but yeah, congrats for css instead ov javascript
20100816 16:47:41< timotei> s/ov/off
20100816 16:47:44< timotei> s/off/of
20100816 16:48:01< Gambit> Nothing was hard, it's just cooler :P
20100816 16:48:07< Gambit> also browsers don't block floating divs
20100816 16:48:11< Gambit> except IE... >_>
20100816 16:48:18< Gambit> And it doesn't so much block them as it has no idea wtf they are
20100816 16:48:30< Gambit> I've not looked at this one in IE yet
20100816 16:48:37< timotei> browsershots.org
20100816 16:48:37< timotei> ;)
20100816 16:48:49< timotei> do you want to put such thing in wesnoth forums
20100816 16:48:49< timotei> ?
20100816 16:49:06< Gambit> It does work in IE :D
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20100816 16:49:18< Gambit> timotei: I dunno. I'll talk to SM about it.
20100816 16:49:21< Gambit> It'd be nice.
20100816 16:49:40< timotei> :)
20100816 16:50:27< Gambit> I wonder if there's something special you (have to|can) do to turn these modifications into patches
20100816 16:50:53< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://imagebin.org/109920
20100816 16:51:08< Gambit> shadowmaster: just look near the cursor in each image
20100816 16:51:37< Gambit> Also I think I'll remove the check for if they have PM popups on
20100816 16:51:44< Gambit> since this is not a popup and isn't in any way annoying
20100816 16:51:50< Gambit> That way they'll be on by default
20100816 16:52:00< Gambit> Actually there might be a way to make pm popups on by default instead...
20100816 16:52:15< Gambit> (they == my family)
20100816 16:52:21< Gambit> (my family == me)
20100816 16:54:31< Gambit> cookies don't work on this local forum
20100816 16:54:35< Gambit> Hmm
20100816 16:59:03< Gambit> It's also putting the session id in every single url
20100816 17:02:48< Gambit> I think SM once told me it only puts the sid in when there are no cookies or right after the cookies are created or something
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20100816 17:33:45 * Valkier has been as productive today as he feels like. Back to sleep
20100816 17:43:10< timotei> umm, shadowmaster could you please change my nickname?:)
20100816 17:43:14< timotei> I want timotei instead of timotei21
20100816 17:56:26< shadowmaster> timotei: your nickname in the forums?
20100816 17:56:31< timotei> yes
20100816 17:56:52< timotei> but only when/if you have time
20100816 17:56:56< Gambit> shadowmaster: Is there some way to turn theme changes into patches?
20100816 17:57:03< Gambit> You keep refering to these things as "mods"
20100816 17:57:09< Gambit> As if they're... modular?
20100816 17:57:12< shadowmaster> I manage them using a git tree.
20100816 17:57:25< shadowmaster> and git works internally using patches, so yeah.
20100816 17:58:06< shadowmaster> and I'm not the one who invented the terminology here. phpBB like to call them mods although they are more like patching guides, except for the styles and language packs, which are add-ons on their own right
20100816 17:59:10< shadowmaster> Gambit: also, what viewtopic bar width issue?
20100816 17:59:23< Gambit> uhh .postprofile I guess it is
20100816 17:59:31< Gambit> the sidebar being rediculously wide
20100816 17:59:38< shadowmaster> you could have said "sidebar"
20100816 17:59:44< Gambit> But it's not just one CSS change afterall
20100816 17:59:45< shadowmaster> I thought you were referring to the header or footer bars
20100816 18:04:07< Gambit> shadowmaster: whadya think of the screenshots?
20100816 18:06:46< shadowmaster> Gambit: what about the screenshot?
20100816 18:07:21< Gambit> shadowmaster: the little box that shows up when you have new PMs
20100816 18:07:41< shadowmaster> where's that from?
20100816 18:08:06< Gambit> the instructions were here: http://www.phpbb3bbcodes.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=343
20100816 18:08:11< Gambit> But I modified the stylesheet
20100816 18:08:19< Gambit> Those instructions make a giant bar across the top
20100816 18:08:39< shadowmaster> regarding mods, btw, there's an automated installer for them (AutoMOD) that can also help with uninstalling them with a few clicks.
20100816 18:08:43< shadowmaster> I do not use that.
20100816 18:08:47< Gambit> It looks very fugly, and on hover it's basically a negative effect
20100816 18:09:10< shadowmaster> I manage better with git since that speeds up the early patching process a lot thanks to cherry-picking
20100816 18:09:13< Gambit> So I made it pretier imo.
20100816 18:09:28< shadowmaster> especially since I use branches in the same repository for every version starting with 3.0.6
20100816 18:09:32< Gambit> git... is that like SVN?
20100816 18:09:34< shadowmaster> yes
20100816 18:09:43< shadowmaster> except it's a distributed VCS, rather than centralized
20100816 18:10:42< shadowmaster> by cherry-picking, I reduced the early patching process timespan from days to a few minutes.
20100816 18:11:01< shadowmaster> that includes some of our essential homemade patches such as the wesnothd-style username validation
20100816 18:11:10< Gambit> I know that term, but not what it means in this context. :/
20100816 18:12:02< shadowmaster> which one?
20100816 18:12:04< shadowmaster> brb, rebooting
20100816 18:12:06< Gambit> cherry picking
20100816 18:12:17< shadowmaster> merging a patch from one branch to another
20100816 18:12:22< shadowmaster> that's the most basic application
20100816 18:12:44< shadowmaster> in SVN that requires some ugly commands while with git it's just matter of specifying the original commit hash/name/date/etc.
20100816 18:54:02< Gambit> shadowmaster: probable spambot: http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123151
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20100816 19:00:37< Gambit> Espreon: Ello guvna
20100816 19:01:15< Espreon|Wii> Hello Gambit...
20100816 19:03:22< Espreon|Wii> ... and... goodbye... for now...
20100816 19:04:39< Gambit> ...
20100816 19:04:42< Gambit> Bye.
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20100816 21:08:41< Gambit> Man shadowmaster; your kate add-on makes things so much easier.
20100816 21:13:30< Gambit> I pity the fool that doesn't have Kate.
20100816 21:15:35< timotei> what addon?:D
20100816 21:16:00< Gambit> timotei: WML syntax highlighting
20100816 21:16:17< timotei> oh:P
20100816 21:16:22< Gambit> (No autocomplete though)
20100816 21:16:28< Gambit> (hint hint)
20100816 21:16:31< Gambit> (poke poke)
20100816 21:16:32< timotei> you can try eclipse plugin :D
20100816 21:16:33< Gambit> (wink wink)
20100816 21:17:10< timotei> http://eclipse.wesnoth.org/
20100816 21:17:11< timotei> :)
20100816 21:18:47< Gambit> timotei: What the hell is on that page?
20100816 21:18:51< Gambit> You crashed quassel!
20100816 21:18:52< Gambit> :s
20100816 21:18:57 * Gambit tries again
20100816 21:19:21< Gambit> Yeah man... what the hell?
20100816 21:19:57< Gambit> Oh greate
20100816 21:20:02< Gambit> now my theme is all fucked up
20100816 21:20:09< Gambit> Apparently just hovering over the link is fatal
20100816 21:20:13< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org
20100816 21:20:25< Gambit> And it is definitely just that link.
20100816 21:20:55< timotei> what?
20100816 21:21:22< Gambit> timotei: If I so much as hover over that link, quassel crashes and whatever my theme manager program thinger is goes bonkers.
20100816 21:21:33< Gambit> timotei: Something is seriously screwed up on that page.
20100816 21:21:47< Gambit> (note: quassel previews links on hover)
20100816 21:21:47< timotei> http://eclipse.wesnoth.org/
20100816 21:21:48< timotei> this?
20100816 21:21:54< timotei> it's jscript I think
20100816 21:22:00< Gambit> timotei: Yeah.. so link it again :P
20100816 21:22:11< Gambit> Yeah... that.
20100816 21:24:08< Gambit> timotei: You should totally go troll konversation and quassel users :P
20100816 21:24:29< Gambit> "I bet I can kill your IRC client just by you hovering over this link."
20100816 21:24:33< Gambit> (kididng of course)
20100816 21:25:01< Gambit> s/go troll konversation and quassel users/drop everything you're doing and figure out what is wrong with that script/i
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20100816 21:28:28< timotei> just click it
20100816 21:28:44< Gambit> timotei: I do that as well
20100816 21:28:50< Gambit> "file cannot be opened by the browser"
20100816 21:29:02< timotei> :-??
20100816 21:29:30< Gambit> plus you must hover to click :P
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20100816 22:31:58< Gambit> Sweet I found, and made a launcher for a command that reloads nautilus + panels for the next time the icons and theme go bonkers and forget what they're supposed to be
20100816 22:32:56< Gambit> timotei: Also the exact output of the page is as follows:
20100816 22:32:59< Gambit> In the top left corner:
20100816 22:33:07< Gambit> Last Update: 16 August 19:00 GMT
20100816 22:33:13< Gambit> Documentation: README.pdf
20100816 22:33:18< Gambit> In a javascript alert:
20100816 22:33:30< Gambit> "Document could not be loaded by browser."
20100816 22:38:47< timotei> hmm
20100816 22:38:55< timotei> your browser sucks?
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20100816 22:48:12< timotei> Gambit: so?
20100816 22:48:20< timotei> Aethaeryn: eclipse plugin is 1.0
20100816 22:48:20< timotei> ;)
20100816 22:50:24< Gambit> timotei: My browser does not suck.
20100816 22:50:40< timotei> it's was just a objective question:)
20100816 22:50:51< Gambit> timotei: It is your script
20100816 22:51:06< Gambit> Though...
20100816 22:51:10< Gambit> it looks like failfox does work.
20100816 22:51:23< Gambit> timotei: Way to go. You managed to not have chrome compatability.
20100816 22:51:26< Gambit> (How is that even possible!?)
20100816 22:51:36< Gambit> (Chrome is compatable with everything)
20100816 22:51:39< timotei> I didn't write anything
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20100816 22:57:46< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Chrome compatable with everything?
20100816 22:57:54< Aethaeryn> Take it back in time to 1998-2003 web sites.
20100816 22:58:14< Aethaeryn> timotei: cool
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20100816 23:02:01< Aethaeryn> Gambit: 1998-2003 (or perhaps 1999-2004) was the time of the Dark Ages of the Internet, btw
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20100816 23:02:34< Aethaeryn> Looking it up it seems like it's the latter range.
20100816 23:03:27< Aethaeryn> hmm, I guess 1998-2004 can be argued.
20100816 23:03:45< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Internet-explorer-usage-data.svg
20100816 23:04:12< Aethaeryn> 2004 was the first year IE *declined* significantly since its creation.
20100816 23:05:12< Aethaeryn> Coincidentally, IE 6 was 2001 to 2006. So long without a revision.
20100816 23:05:36< Aethaeryn> Seems like Microsoft just gave up on IE half way through its reign :-P
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20100816 23:08:40< shadowmaster> I haz new battery
20100816 23:09:48< shadowmaster> come on people, say "yay"
20100816 23:10:42< shadowmaster> this means that I'll need to use blackcore for the rest of the day though
20100816 23:11:19< Aethaeryn> print("Yay.")
20100816 23:15:26< shadowmaster> shame on you.
20100816 23:15:35< Gambit> print 'Yay.';
20100816 23:15:41< shadowmaster> on you too
20100816 23:15:45< Gambit> shadowmaster: Why?
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20100816 23:16:08< Gambit> shadowmaster: single quotes are faster no?
20100816 23:16:09< shadowmaster> for not saying it directly like a well-behaved person.
20100816 23:16:15< Gambit> oh
20100816 23:16:20< Gambit> shadowmaster: Cool though.
20100816 23:16:26< Gambit> What's its charge?
20100816 23:16:36< shadowmaster> and instead being an annoying nerd who needs to show off his programming skills.
20100816 23:17:05< shadowmaster> 4288 mAh, or so claims Linux.
20100816 23:17:11< Valkier> You're all a bunch of yo-yos.
20100816 23:17:12< Gambit> shadowmaster: Well actually I assumed you were putting shame on Aethaeryn for his choice of language.
20100816 23:17:14< shadowmaster> as usual the BIOS doesn't report the maximum capacity correctly
20100816 23:17:16< Valkier> Shut up ya yo-yos.
20100816 23:17:22< shadowmaster> Valkier: ?
20100816 23:17:33< Gambit> shadowmaster: It wasn't so much being an annoying nerd as it was an attempt to best Aethaeryn.
20100816 23:17:40< Gambit> Also s/nerd/geek/g
20100816 23:17:55< Valkier> shadowmaster: Re: You're all a bunch of yo-yos.
20100816 23:17:57< shadowmaster> no, nerd.
20100816 23:18:05< shadowmaster> geeks aren't annoying.
20100816 23:18:12< shadowmaster> Valkier: can you say something that makes sense?
20100816 23:18:30< shadowmaster> you know, for a change
20100816 23:18:36< Valkier> shadowmaster: How does that not make sense? I am calling you programming people yo-yos.
20100816 23:18:47< Valkier> You can't hold me accountable for your lack of reading comprehension.
20100816 23:18:53< shadowmaster> and what's that supposed to mean?
20100816 23:19:09< Valkier> yo-yos = crazy
20100816 23:19:13< Gambit> It
20100816 23:19:15< Valkier> You've never heard that before?
20100816 23:19:15< Gambit> 's true
20100816 23:19:23< shadowmaster> Valkier: no.
20100816 23:19:32< shadowmaster> I'm not a native speaker, remember.
20100816 23:19:34< Valkier> shadowmaster: And now you know!
20100816 23:19:35<+shikadibot> And knowing is half the battle!
20100816 23:19:39< shadowmaster> so colloquialisms are frowned upon here.
20100816 23:19:57< Gambit> Valkier is a cunning linguist.
20100816 23:20:26< shadowmaster> Gambit: you fail at chasing spambots.
20100816 23:20:29< Valkier> Gambit: Your trap is avoided!
20100816 23:20:53< Gambit> shadowmaster: Really? Because that account looks to me as if they were just trying to get that website in our member list
20100816 23:21:00< shadowmaster> Gambit: firstly because it's not "probable", it's "obvious"
20100816 23:21:09< Gambit> Though I admit I've not followed up.
20100816 23:21:11< Gambit> shadowmaster: :@
20100816 23:21:13< shadowmaster> secondly because I banned that thing already last night.
20100816 23:21:38< shadowmaster> thirdly because you forget that the memberlist and profiles aren't visible to guests and crawlers
20100816 23:22:04< Gambit> s/forget/never learned in the first place/
20100816 23:22:26< shadowmaster> then you weren't paying attention.
20100816 23:22:41< Gambit> ...
20100816 23:22:54< Gambit> I'm pretty sure you've never mentioned that.
20100816 23:22:56< shadowmaster> never tried to view some user's profile as guest?
20100816 23:23:09< Gambit> Ah...
20100816 23:23:11< Gambit> Bots are guests?
20100816 23:23:14< shadowmaster> yes.
20100816 23:23:31< shadowmaster> kind of. They are treated like such.
20100816 23:24:20< shadowmaster> I probably didn't mention anything of this to you since I usually explain this stuff to fellow moderators and deputy admins, and I'm not allowed to disclose further information on our activity behind the scenes.
20100816 23:27:51-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
20100816 23:27:59 * Gambit is digging through default permissions
20100816 23:28:47< Gambit> Bots are worse than guests by default.
20100816 23:29:21< Gambit> shadowmaster: The difference between not and never; Is it that if you have a "never" permission in your group, you can't have it overridden per user?
20100816 23:29:27< Gambit> s/not/no/
20100816 23:30:07< shadowmaster> yes
20100816 23:30:36< Gambit> Weird. You'd think per-user settings would be the thing that overrides all.
20100816 23:31:09< shadowmaster> Gambit: I'm currently logged in as one of the cralwer bots.
20100816 23:31:31< shadowmaster> groups and usernames aren't even clickable
20100816 23:31:46< shadowmaster> *crawler
20100816 23:32:27< shadowmaster> Gambit: consider this as well http://tinyurl.com/282lrvv
20100816 23:32:38< Gambit> Oh sweet; I see there's a "test user's permissions"
20100816 23:32:40< shadowmaster> (that's a google cache link)
20100816 23:33:15< shadowmaster> I'm pretty sure I don't need to be told what phpBB 3 has to offer.
20100816 23:34:02< Gambit> shadowmaster: Oh no. I know. I was wondering how you were "logged in" as a bot.
20100816 23:34:10< Gambit> I assumed you weren't literally in its account.
20100816 23:34:12 * shadowmaster switches bot mode ff
20100816 23:34:16< shadowmaster> * off
20100816 23:34:36< shadowmaster> I can use that to see whatever you can see except your PMs.
20100816 23:34:48< shadowmaster> and drafts.
20100816 23:34:48< Gambit> Read/unread status?
20100816 23:35:01< shadowmaster> and read/unread status
20100816 23:35:13< Gambit> Darn.
20100816 23:35:25< Gambit> That'd be useful for "Oh gee. This user has *never* opened the posting guidelines" :P
20100816 23:35:35< shadowmaster> then again I can see your PMs via other means.
20100816 23:36:11< shadowmaster> but you'd need to be reported as engaging in unlawful activities first. I'm not an immoral admin.
20100816 23:37:10< Gambit> shadowmaster: The database itself, or pm logging?
20100816 23:37:16< Gambit> If it's the latter eww.
20100816 23:37:16< shadowmaster> the first.
20100816 23:37:34< shadowmaster> users can also report offending PMs since phpBB 3.0.6
20100816 23:37:36< Valkier> My PMs are boring.
20100816 23:37:38< Gambit> ZB premium had that optionally. I turned it off because it was a disgusting thought.
20100816 23:37:43< shadowmaster> so you know what to do if some fool harasses you via PM
20100816 23:38:01< Gambit> (pm logging I mean)
20100816 23:38:13 * shadowmaster puts on glasses.
20100816 23:38:38< shadowmaster> you'll not remember anything of this after I activate this little flashlight.
20100816 23:38:48< Gambit> Swamp gas.
20100816 23:38:51 * shadowmaster *click* *FLASH*
20100816 23:39:27 * shadowmaster pulls glasses
20100816 23:39:41< Valkier> How do I report to authorities that shadowmaster is in here flashing us?
20100816 23:39:47< Gambit> *shadowmaster makes corny murder joke*
20100816 23:39:52< Gambit> *The Who music plays*
20100816 23:40:00< shadowmaster> you all fail.
20100816 23:40:04< Gambit> YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
20100816 23:40:09< Gambit> shadowmaster: MiB?
20100816 23:40:17< shadowmaster> Gambit: exactly.
20100816 23:40:24< Gambit> Or just a general scifi tro... k
20100816 23:40:30< shadowmaster> unfortunately Valkier's mind is stuck in a vagina or something.
20100816 23:40:59 * Gambit chuckles.
20100816 23:42:14< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=450172#p450172 <==== this!
20100816 23:42:25< Gambit> Also it is not affected by terrains that raise the unit
20100816 23:42:28< Gambit> i.e. keeps
20100816 23:42:46< Gambit> And it covers HP/XP bars
20100816 23:43:26< Gambit> (I can't post in Art Dev anymore)
20100816 23:43:29< shadowmaster> there, now I'm the only leader of the Administrators group
20100816 23:43:31< Gambit> (I guess my one post angered osmeone)
20100816 23:43:51< shadowmaster> I'll check your permissions later when I'm at blackcore
20100816 23:43:57< shadowmaster> on Windows XP SP2.
20100816 23:44:13< shadowmaster> of all things.
20100816 23:44:45< shadowmaster> I don't suppose my openSUSE install has wvdial or that I left PPP support in that custom kernel
20100816 23:45:24< shadowmaster> Gambit: I'm the undisputed leader of the Admins group. Kneel before me.
20100816 23:45:44< Gambit> shadowmaster: "undisputed"
20100816 23:45:47< Gambit> Are you the only founder?
20100816 23:45:53< shadowmaster> no.
20100816 23:45:58< shadowmaster> but the rest aren't leaders anymore
20100816 23:45:58< Gambit> Well I guess undisputed != undisputable
20100816 23:46:00< Gambit> so you're right
20100816 23:46:02< shadowmaster> founder != leader
20100816 23:46:12< Gambit> shadowmaster: founder == can be leader at any time
20100816 23:46:12< shadowmaster> in fact we have founders who aren't even admins anymore
20100816 23:46:18< Gambit> oh
20100816 23:46:27< Gambit> shadowmaster: Couldn't they still get in the ACP?
20100816 23:46:40< shadowmaster> Gambit: these demoted people can barely use the admin panel, so it doesn't matter.
20100816 23:46:43< shadowmaster> except for one who can replace me if necessary
20100816 23:46:44< shadowmaster> Gambit: yes
20100816 23:47:09< shadowmaster> in all seriousness, I just want the admins group view to reflect the current availability for support requests.
20100816 23:47:29< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=group&g=6641
20100816 23:47:31< shadowmaster> now afk
20100816 23:47:38< Gambit> See you
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20100816 23:48:44< Gambit> "these demoted people can barely use the admin panel"
20100816 23:49:01< Gambit> I'm guessing PHPBB even lets you set which options people have inside the ACP?
20100816 23:49:12< Gambit> Pretty cool...
20100816 23:49:54< Gambit> IF and ZB never allowed partial admins AFAIK, so one had to be extremely careful
20100816 23:50:29< Gambit> It also only allowed one root and that was untransferable from the account that registered the forum.
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