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20100821 00:56:22< Gambit> PeterPorty: Guess what
20100821 01:10:41<+CIA-18> wesnoth-umc-dev: mystic-x * r7524 /branches/1.8/Grafted_Era/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fixed a few bugs
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20100821 01:34:20< shadowmaster> Gambit: if you want it to be wesnoth you could either recompile wesnoth or change wesnoth's commandline
20100821 01:34:29< shadowmaster> and then rename .wesnoth to wesnoth
20100821 01:35:04< shadowmaster> --config-dir <path> selects <path> as Wesnoth's userdata root
20100821 01:35:28< shadowmaster> <path> is relative to your home dir (i.e. /home/johndoe)
20100821 01:35:55< Gambit> shadowmaster: thanks :D
20100821 01:36:02< shadowmaster> alternatively you could symlink a "wesnoth" dir to ".wesnoth"
20100821 01:36:09< Gambit> ahhhh
20100821 01:36:15< shadowmaster> so you don't need to change wesnoth's command line that way and you can still go to .wesnoth from wesnoth
20100821 01:36:16< Gambit> I think that's the best way.
20100821 01:36:36< Gambit> shadowmaster: Also I'm so excited. I added two events. :D
20100821 01:36:37< shadowmaster> no idea how to do it in Nautilus, but from a text terminal it'd be like this:
20100821 01:36:43< shadowmaster> cd ~
20100821 01:36:53< shadowmaster> ln -s .wesnoth wesnoth
20100821 01:36:57< shadowmaster> <end>
20100821 01:36:57< Gambit> Such a very trivial change, but exciting to me nonetheless.
20100821 01:37:47< Gambit> shadowmaster: Thanks.
20100821 01:37:55< shadowmaster> np
20100821 01:39:32 * Gambit looks up ln in his giant desktop reference
20100821 01:42:31< shadowmaster> ln --help
20100821 01:42:56< shadowmaster> it's a command-line based program, part of GNU core[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[Autils
20100821 01:43:01< shadowmaster> *coreutils
20100821 01:43:29< shadowmaster> it creates hardlinks, or symlinks (-s switch)
20100821 01:45:42< Gambit> yep
20100821 01:46:46< Gambit> It's not so much needing help with the command as it is wanting to get my $60 out of this book :D
20100821 01:47:00< Gambit> *$49.99
20100821 01:47:18< Gambit> +tax,s&h
20100821 01:48:04< shadowmaster> I finished cleaning my room.
20100821 01:48:19< Gambit> Woo
20100821 01:48:39< shadowmaster> now I can actually find stuff in it.
20100821 01:48:44< shadowmaster> it's been a disaster for years already
20100821 01:56:00< Gambit> I hear that.
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20100821 03:12:39< Blueblaze> hio
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20100821 04:30:35< Gambit> I think I'll make a 98 virtual machine
20100821 04:31:35< Gambit> Wait, no that's crazy.
20100821 04:32:17< Gambit> You know something...
20100821 04:32:31< Gambit> my school's wipe CD's are isos
20100821 04:32:44< Gambit> I wonder if I could make a virtual machine from one
20100821 04:33:10< Gambit> AFAIK it includes a complete copy of WinXP
20100821 04:33:37< Gambit> yeah no that won't work because windows is very sensitive
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20100821 04:48:58< Gambit> OMG SHADOWMASTER
20100821 04:48:59< Gambit> SHADOWMASTER
20100821 04:49:01< Gambit> wtf
20100821 04:49:02< Gambit> wtf
20100821 04:49:03< Gambit> wtf
20100821 04:49:03< Gambit> wth
20100821 04:49:07< Gambit> shadowmaster: Your
20100821 04:49:12< Gambit> shadowmaster: Your joke you added to shikadibot...
20100821 04:49:18< Gambit> robot chicken stole it :
20100821 04:49:21< Gambit> :P
20100821 04:49:58< Gambit> You stole it from GI Joe :\
20100821 04:57:18< Gambit> janebot: I am disappointed in shadowmaster
20100821 04:57:19<+janebot> Gambit: Here; a rat's hat.
20100821 05:01:37< Gambit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5WC4qMxlTA
20100821 05:01:39< Gambit> Now I know
20100821 05:01:40<+shikadibot> And knowing is half the battle!
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20100821 05:37:40< shadowmaster> Gambit: if you didn't know that I stole it from GI Joe, then you are not a true american.
20100821 05:37:58< Gambit> But...
20100821 05:37:59< Gambit> now I know
20100821 05:38:00<+shikadibot> And knowing is half the battle!
20100821 05:38:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: I can say with some certainty that that cartoon was before my time
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20100821 05:57:51< Gambit> anywho; night shadowm
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20100821 14:01:18< Espreon|Wii> shadowmaster ; children: I'm going on vacation today... I shan't be back till sometime next week... or something like that. So, yeahz...
20100821 14:01:31< timotei> Good vacation
20100821 14:01:33< timotei> and have fun
20100821 14:02:32< Espreon|Wii> Thanks.
20100821 14:03:14< Espreon|Wii> Having fun... with a seven hour drive to get to the hotel... yayz...
20100821 14:03:27< timotei> that's not so much:P
20100821 14:03:46< Espreon|Wii> It's long and irritating!
20100821 14:07:14< Espreon|Wii> ... and of course from what I told Ivanovic, he doen't even tell of the typography changes and noting that what we have right now is just a WIP and I don't need people BAWWWWWWing about things such as the incompletion of the grand conversion...
20100821 14:07:43< Espreon|Wii> *WIP... I don't need
20100821 14:08:22< timotei> WIP what?
20100821 14:09:00< Espreon|Wii> WIP = work in progress.
20100821 14:09:35< timotei> no... what's in WIP?
20100821 14:09:43< Espreon|Wii> What we have now with all of that typographical crap is just a WIP... it's not complete...
20100821 14:10:12< Espreon|Wii> timotei: You were aware of my mass conversions of things such as fake dashes, yes?
20100821 14:10:27< timotei> hmm
20100821 14:10:29< timotei> oh, right:)
20100821 14:12:41< Espreon|Wii> Ah, SephirothPrincess941... you are indeed a fine gem made of pure lulz...
20100821 14:13:49 * Espreon|Wii wonders how anyone could be so vile...
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20100821 14:15:57< Espreon|Wii> timotei: Seriously, how could one be so vile?
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20100821 14:25:40< Espreon|Wii> Well, I think that I shall leave now... bye people!
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20100821 14:39:27< timotei> Espreon|Wii: sorry, I was eating:P
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20100821 16:35:03< timotei21> Gambit: hi
20100821 16:35:10< Gambit> timotei21: Hiya
20100821 16:35:16< timotei21> how are you doing?
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20100821 16:35:22< Gambit> timotei: Good
20100821 16:35:27< Gambit> Working on adding a new WML tag
20100821 16:35:34< timotei> :P
20100821 16:35:39< Gambit> Right now I'm giving it the ability to send things privately
20100821 16:35:41< timotei> did you try to make a page?
20100821 16:35:47< timotei> for the plugin?
20100821 16:36:08< Gambit> Not yet
20100821 16:36:16< Gambit> But the day is young (in this timezone anyway :P)
20100821 16:36:30< Gambit> aww compiler fail because I forgot i before e *except after c*
20100821 16:36:32< timotei> oh, right
20100821 17:13:42< Gambit> eeeeeets alllliiiiive
20100821 17:14:01< timotei> who?
20100821 17:15:29< Gambit> the tag
20100821 17:15:35< timotei> :)
20100821 17:15:42< Gambit> complete with side_for that takes a comma separated list
20100821 17:15:46< Gambit> :DDDD
20100821 17:17:29< Gambit> The only thing I can't figure out
20100821 17:17:37< Gambit> is how to make the speaker "WML" if one was not defined
20100821 17:18:04< Gambit> it seems so simple
20100821 17:18:35< Gambit> if (chat_speaker_stry.empty() { chat_speaker_str = "WML"; } (with proper indentation and whitespace of course!)
20100821 17:18:38< Gambit> And yet; nothing.
20100821 17:19:00< Gambit> err missing a right paren there
20100821 17:20:23< Gambit> also an extra y :P
20100821 17:20:28< timotei> hmm
20100821 17:20:43< timotei> well, you did it isn't it?:)
20100821 17:20:54< timotei> maybe you get commit acces, and be part of the team :)
20100821 17:21:10< Gambit> hmmm actually it is working
20100821 17:21:14 * Gambit wonders what he did
20100821 17:21:49< Gambit> timotei: I don't know enough for that.
20100821 17:21:56< Gambit> I'll just keep adding some small things I want
20100821 17:22:11< timotei> :)
20100821 17:22:19< timotei> Gambit: maybe try fixing up some bugs;)
20100821 17:22:31< timotei> you know java?
20100821 17:22:31< timotei> :)
20100821 17:22:41< Gambit> Nope
20100821 17:22:46< Gambit> I know even less java than C++
20100821 17:23:21< timotei> :)
20100821 17:23:25< timotei> ok
20100821 17:23:36< timotei> ops... I think shadowmaster will kill me. so many smileys...
20100821 17:23:52< timotei> 7 in just ... one page
20100821 17:24:39< Gambit> :}
20100821 17:26:04< Gambit> I think this patch is enough to put myself on the credits
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20100821 17:31:45< shadowmaster> define "page"
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20100821 17:33:02< Gambit> His interent connection flees in terror
20100821 17:34:29< Gambit> darn. No pango in chat.
20100821 17:34:33< Gambit> I guess that makes sense.
20100821 17:36:48< Gambit> aaaaaaand submitted.
20100821 17:43:18< shadowmaster> it makes sense because people would abuse it.
20100821 17:43:48< shadowmaster> there were already cases of markup abuse in the in-game chat back in the days of that ugly WML text markuip
20100821 17:46:26< Gambit> Yes people would set labels as other people.
20100821 17:46:29< loonycyborg> There are ways to use different colors in irc though.
20100821 17:46:47< Gambit> zookeeper: if my [chat] tag patch goes through, should {DEBUG_MSG} be made to use it?
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20100821 18:17:24< zookeeper> Gambit, i see no reason
20100821 18:17:56< zookeeper> for one, [message] pauses everything and that's vital for debugging
20100821 18:18:10< Gambit> Ah true.
20100821 18:18:23< Gambit> I was thinking about consistency; that's how LUA reports errors.
20100821 18:18:56< Gambit> Nevermind though.
20100821 18:19:12< zookeeper> shadowmaster, some funny attachment size limit? http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=451349#p451349
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20100821 18:45:56< Blueblaze> when was the last someone has seen valkier
20100821 18:46:22< timotei> Blueblaze:  ask wesbot
20100821 18:46:29< timotei> wesbot: seen Valkier
20100821 18:46:29<+wesbot> timotei: The person with the nick Valkier last spoke 2d 2h ago.  2d 1h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]
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20100821 18:53:36< Gambit> afk for a walk
20100821 18:56:20< Gambit> Or not... screw you weather
20100821 18:57:05< Gambit> Okay I'll start on this website...
20100821 18:59:04< timotei> :D
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20100821 19:08:05< shadowmaster> zookeeper: that's really strange
20100821 19:08:22< shadowmaster> although note that the post character count limit is 60000
20100821 19:09:02< shadowmaster> and the attachment limit is 2 MB
20100821 19:09:10< shadowmaster> for every single file.
20100821 19:09:28< shadowmaster> and it's not really "funny" at all
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20100821 19:12:28< shadowmaster> okay, increassed attachment classes' limits as follows
20100821 19:13:24< shadowmaster> archives: 2 MB -> 4 MB, plain text: 50 KB -> 1 MB, images: 2 MB -> 8 MB
20100821 19:13:45< shadowmaster> layered image formats: 2 MB -> 8 MB
20100821 19:14:04< Gambit> timotei: around?
20100821 19:14:30< timotei> yes
20100821 19:14:41< Gambit> k just a second
20100821 19:14:44< Gambit> Don't touch that dial!
20100821 19:14:48< timotei> what?
20100821 19:14:49< shadowmaster> hopefully you people will like the attachment limit changes.
20100821 19:14:57< shadowmaster> and not drain our hard disk space with it
20100821 19:15:00< Gambit> timotei: drip drip it's a wip: http://imagebin.org/110673
20100821 19:15:10< Gambit> *rip
20100821 19:15:11< shadowmaster> why anyone would want to upload text files greater than 50 KB without gzipping them is beyond me
20100821 19:15:16< Gambit> ... off :)
20100821 19:15:30< timotei> Gambit: hmm, it really looks nice
20100821 19:15:31< timotei> :D
20100821 19:15:51< timotei> I like that portrait
20100821 19:15:54< timotei> don't change it
20100821 19:15:55< Gambit> the documenation thing needs it's own paragraph
20100821 19:15:58< timotei> yep
20100821 19:16:00< Gambit> timotei: portraits are randomized
20100821 19:16:03< timotei> there will be pages
20100821 19:16:09< timotei> ok, random portraits then:P
20100821 19:16:14< shadowmaster> actually
20100821 19:16:32< shadowmaster> reduced archves to 3 MB
20100821 19:17:06< shadowmaster> documents to 4 MB because nobody should be using non-plain-text documents around here
20100821 19:17:46< Gambit> timotei: okay let me make some of these urls relative again and I'll pastebin you the code
20100821 19:17:48< shadowmaster> normal images to 5 MB
20100821 19:17:51< shadowmaster> I mean 6 MB
20100821 19:18:16< shadowmaster> text files to 256 KB
20100821 19:18:35< shadowmaster> I mean 96 KB
20100821 19:18:47< shadowmaster> anything larger than that should be gzipped.
20100821 19:19:06< Gambit> timotei: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/RyFGiWe6
20100821 19:19:12< shadowmaster> there you have "funny" limits
20100821 19:19:23< Gambit> timotei: You should probably run it by people who actually do things with the wesnoth website
20100821 19:19:25< Gambit> shadowmaster: poke?
20100821 19:19:47< shadowmaster> Gambit: what for?
20100821 19:19:55< shadowmaster> don't you realize that I'm here
20100821 19:20:11< Gambit> shadowmaster: yes :)
20100821 19:20:16< shadowmaster> then you deserve a ban
20100821 19:20:23< Gambit> shadowmaster: note the question mark
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20100821 19:20:34< Gambit> I was trying to get your attention on what timotei and I were talking about
20100821 19:20:41< shadowmaster> speak or prepare to be quieted.
20100821 19:20:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: The imagebin and pastebin links
20100821 19:21:11< Gambit> They're not in flagrant violation of something I'm not aware of are they?
20100821 19:21:47< shadowmaster> more glamdrol pages to maintain. sigh.
20100821 19:21:58< shadowmaster> and why does it have the portrait rotation in it?
20100821 19:22:02< Gambit> It's the same pages.
20100821 19:22:12< Gambit> I dunno
20100821 19:22:23< shadowmaster> it's just a simple CSS rule that uoyou can negate
20100821 19:22:31< shadowmaster> probably something like background-image:none!important;
20100821 19:22:43< Gambit> But timotei likes the portraits I think
20100821 19:22:48< Gambit> timotei: yes/no on portraits?
20100821 19:22:56< timotei> one sec.
20100821 19:23:00< timotei> (reading the backlog)
20100821 19:23:47 * shadowmaster . O o (funny attachment limits my ass. who wants a DoS by uploading multigigabye files?)
20100821 19:24:35< Gambit> timotei: Also I've just noticed some typos
20100821 19:24:38< Gambit> I will fix them
20100821 19:24:40< shadowmaster> #feature #overview { background-image:none!important; }
20100821 19:24:44< shadowmaster> that's really the only CSS rule you need
20100821 19:24:53< shadowmaster> maybe add padding:0 too
20100821 19:25:03< timotei> hmm, I like that archer.
20100821 19:25:11< timotei> so instead of rotation it will be him only
20100821 19:25:14< Gambit> a few a/an things
20100821 19:25:16< shadowmaster> and margin-right:0, I'd have to see it in action
20100821 19:25:18< timotei> it will be only him*
20100821 19:25:22< shadowmaster> timotei: wha?
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20100821 19:25:28< Gambit> timotei: I can try
20100821 19:25:45< timotei> Gambit: btw, fixed the index page. now it doesn't crash anymore:)
20100821 19:25:48< shadowmaster> Gambit, timotei: do you realize that I'm more fit for the job?
20100821 19:25:54< shadowmaster> particularly since I know how to deal with Glamdrol.
20100821 19:25:56< Gambit> timotei: It crashes in safari
20100821 19:26:09< Gambit> timotei: go to #wesnoth-dev from today
20100821 19:26:11< Gambit> search for safari
20100821 19:26:16< timotei> shadowmaster: of course. i wanted to ask you first, but I tought I'm not so important for you :P
20100821 19:26:18< Gambit> But yes it is better in chrome :)
20100821 19:26:29< timotei> actually, I didn't want to 'rip' your time
20100821 19:26:37< timotei> since you're already busy
20100821 19:26:41< shadowmaster> steal my time
20100821 19:26:42< un214> Haha so somebody said that woses were not from trees. Knowing the context I said "Elves weren't there, so they wouldn't know."
20100821 19:26:52< timotei> right. steal
20100821 19:27:05< shadowmaster> I may not be able to work on much today, but I don't think it's an urgent issue, is it? :)
20100821 19:27:15< timotei> hmm, I don
20100821 19:27:21< timotei> I don't think it's urgent
20100821 19:27:33< Gambit> timotei: btw your grammar is terrible
20100821 19:27:35< timotei> glamdrol is... the template?
20100821 19:27:38< timotei> Gambit: yep I know:(
20100821 19:27:54< shadowmaster> yes, glmadrol is the layout set and CSS rules group for most of the Wesnoth website
20100821 19:27:57< timotei> not terrible, but horrible
20100821 19:27:58< shadowmaster> glamdrol
20100821 19:29:06< timotei> hmm...
20100821 19:29:20< timotei> Gambit: interesting. that page alone won't work in the svn
20100821 19:29:24< shadowmaster> so if you tell me what the body is supposed to be I can deal with it
20100821 19:29:36< Gambit> timotei: it's all white isn't it?
20100821 19:29:44< shadowmaster> timotei: URL?
20100821 19:29:46< Gambit> So I guess the url's do need to be absolute...
20100821 19:30:02< timotei> Gambit: well... no. but you've linked things like: /mw/skins/glamdrol/main.css
20100821 19:30:10< timotei> how is the svn supposed to treat that?:)
20100821 19:30:29< timotei> I don't even know how ivanovic wired up the domain, iirc, it was a checkout on the svn
20100821 19:30:38< Gambit> [13:29:43] <Gambit> So I guess the url's do need to be absolute...
20100821 19:30:59< timotei> I think yes.. but didn't commited to svn so I don't know
20100821 19:31:01 * shadowmaster reads the apache2 config
20100821 19:31:11< timotei> hmm
20100821 19:32:02< shadowmaster> timotei: what's the subdomain name?
20100821 19:32:06< timotei> eclipse.wesnoth.org
20100821 19:32:32< timotei> it points to: wesnoth/websites/eclipse.wesnoth.org in the svn
20100821 19:32:40< timotei> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/website/eclipse.wesnoth.org/
20100821 19:33:10< shadowmaster> I have a bad feeling about this
20100821 19:33:19< timotei> what/why?
20100821 19:33:39< Gambit> "Because I felt like quoting star wars"
20100821 19:33:44< timotei> man... I love that archer:D
20100821 19:33:48< shadowmaster> timotei: the current page is a placeholder, rught?
20100821 19:33:57< timotei> shadowmaster: kinda yes
20100821 19:33:59< Gambit> timotei: Well I need to find his image
20100821 19:34:20< shadowmaster> and it's effectively a svn checkout
20100821 19:34:21< timotei> shadowmaster: I didn't know a better usage for it..
20100821 19:34:27< shadowmaster> I doubt Gambit will be able to find his image.
20100821 19:34:41< Gambit> indeed
20100821 19:34:44< timotei> shadowmaster: hmm, I think I'll test if links works
20100821 19:34:47< timotei> things like:
20100821 19:34:49< shadowmaster> allow me to do that for you since I'm the one who set up the portrait rotation and wrote the PHP
20100821 19:35:00< timotei> <img src="img.png" />
20100821 19:35:03< timotei> in current directory
20100821 19:35:27< timotei> shadowmaster: or do you already know?
20100821 19:35:35< shadowmaster> mw/skins/glamdrol/home_portraits/foo.bar
20100821 19:35:44< shadowmaster> what portrait is this? the ranger?
20100821 19:35:50< timotei> yep
20100821 19:35:50< shadowmaster> ah wait, there's a master bowman in there
20100821 19:36:07< shadowmaster> mw/skins/glamdrol/home_portraits/master_bowman.jpg
20100821 19:37:04< shadowmaster> Gambit: in case it isn't obvious why you couldn't find it: the PHP script outputs the JPEG contents instead of any kind of text
20100821 19:37:18< Gambit> yep
20100821 19:37:31< shadowmaster> so the PHP script is a JPEG image as far as clients are concerned
20100821 19:37:37< Gambit> timotei: new code + grammatical changes: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/k3mbanQj
20100821 19:38:01< timotei> umm..
20100821 19:38:06< timotei> I don't need google's adsense in there
20100821 19:38:07< timotei> :P
20100821 19:38:13< timotei> so I'll get rid of it
20100821 19:38:18< shadowmaster> the "/portrait.jpg" part is there to help broken browsers figure it out (read: IE 6)
20100821 19:38:32< Gambit> timotei: You don't think the administrators want to know how many people are downloading the plugin?
20100821 19:38:35< Gambit> timotei: :P
20100821 19:38:38< timotei> well..
20100821 19:38:40< Gambit> also a missed an error
20100821 19:38:44< Gambit> should be "a macro explorer"
20100821 19:38:49< timotei> you'd put the google adsnese on site.xml
20100821 19:38:56< Gambit> err 'a macro "explorer"'
20100821 19:38:58< timotei> that's where eclipse downloads the files from
20100821 19:39:18< Gambit> shadowmaster: Do you know who I can talk to about the futureWML page?
20100821 19:39:27< shadowmaster> Gambit: your XHTML is not valid
20100821 19:39:32< Gambit> Sapient's name is on it, but it seems to only be regarding one section
20100821 19:39:45< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yeah well I can't really check that here now can I? :(
20100821 19:39:53< shadowmaster> yes, you can
20100821 19:39:53< Gambit> pastebin the report to me?
20100821 19:39:57< shadowmaster> http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input
20100821 19:40:08< Gambit> shadowmaster: oh thanks
20100821 19:40:18< shadowmaster> web[B[Bweb design 101
20100821 19:40:23< shadowmaster> validate your contents
20100821 19:40:32< Gambit> doh
20100821 19:40:36< Gambit> what a silly mistake
20100821 19:41:01< shadowmaster> most browsers can figure it out, but some subtle glitches can appear even in the best browsers
20100821 19:41:20< timotei> Gambit: ... you put the wrong archer in there:(
20100821 19:41:21 * Gambit got used to Dreamweaver doing that for him
20100821 19:41:30< Gambit> timotei: I put what shadowmaster gave me :(
20100821 19:41:48< shadowmaster> so then what archer you wanted?
20100821 19:41:53< Gambit> shadowmaster: I think he wants the longbowman?
20100821 19:42:09< timotei> btw, I've never ever seen a ! in CSS
20100821 19:42:14< shadowmaster> I don't see any longbowman here
20100821 19:42:14< timotei> what's the meaning of it?
20100821 19:42:19< timotei> )!important; 
20100821 19:42:31< shadowmaster> override CSS rule alawys
20100821 19:42:34< shadowmaster> *always
20100821 19:42:36< timotei> http://wesnoth.org/mw/skins/glamdrol/home_portraits/sergeant.jpg
20100821 19:42:40< timotei> oh, nice one
20100821 19:42:47< shadowmaster> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/kaZ3p05n
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20100821 19:43:13< shadowmaster> exactly why does that dir have an index
20100821 19:43:30< shadowmaster> there, fixed
20100821 19:43:52< timotei> hmm, shadowmaster shouldn't stuff like: http://wesnoth.org/mw/skins/glamdrol/home_portraits/
20100821 19:43:58< timotei> have some .htaccess rules?:)
20100821 19:44:13< Gambit> timotei: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/ztz3TqYj
20100821 19:44:15< shadowmaster> an empty html file does the job as well
20100821 19:44:51< Gambit> Valid markup, a gramatically correct as my knowledge of English allows for, and seargant image.
20100821 19:44:58< Gambit> *as gram ...
20100821 19:45:03< timotei> hmm
20100821 19:45:14< timotei> I don't like that: <a>*</a>
20100821 19:45:15< timotei> :P
20100821 19:45:23< timotei> usually you would put:
20100821 19:45:31< timotei> <a href="#"></a>
20100821 19:45:34< timotei> but still
20100821 19:45:41< Gambit> The page is too small for anchors
20100821 19:45:47< Gambit> They're only there because the stylesheet likes them
20100821 19:46:01< Gambit> They make nice bullets imo
20100821 19:46:04< timotei> yes
20100821 19:46:17< timotei> hmm
20100821 19:46:24< timotei> never tought a <a> without href is valid...
20100821 19:46:31< shadowmaster> ?
20100821 19:46:49< shadowmaster> Gambit: why not real lists?
20100821 19:46:54< shadowmaster> what did I tell you about semantics and accessibility?
20100821 19:46:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'm mimmicking the homepage :(
20100821 19:47:07< Gambit> But okay
20100821 19:47:19< shadowmaster> the <a>*</a> should be better replaced by CSS rukles
20100821 19:47:25< timotei> yep
20100821 19:47:31< timotei> shadowmaster: a <span> perhaps?
20100821 19:47:31< Gambit> Okay okay
20100821 19:47:38< Gambit> timotei: Give me a half hour :)
20100821 19:47:44< timotei> ok:P
20100821 19:47:48< shadowmaster> why am I not doing this for you?
20100821 19:48:04< timotei> shadowmaster: I'm letting Gambit practice
20100821 19:48:11< timotei> the one who's better gets posted:P
20100821 19:48:16< shadowmaster> ahhhh
20100821 19:48:19< Gambit> ohho
20100821 19:48:28< timotei> oh, forgot the last one
20100821 19:48:31< Gambit> This was never a condition of our arangement!
20100821 19:48:32< timotei> sentence*
20100821 19:48:35< Gambit> "I have altered the deal!"
20100821 19:48:37< shadowmaster> so it's for learning. Then I leave you.
20100821 19:48:44< timotei> oh
20100821 19:49:01< timotei> ok, I don't know how to handle things like this:(
20100821 19:49:05< Gambit> timotei: While I do this
20100821 19:49:07< Gambit> you watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwF7n8WyOoU
20100821 19:49:21< shadowmaster> I'm messing around with Ivanovic's release announcement so it doesn't sound so unfriendly
20100821 19:49:49< timotei> ok, I want shadowmaster to do it because it's more professional, but I want gambit one's too, because I asked him
20100821 19:49:52< timotei> what shall I choose?
20100821 19:49:54< timotei> I know!
20100821 19:49:55< timotei> random.org
20100821 19:49:55< timotei> :D
20100821 19:50:04< Gambit> "more professional"
20100821 19:50:08< Gambit> :(
20100821 19:50:13< Gambit> But I am fixing the CSS stuff
20100821 19:50:14< timotei> he has experience
20100821 19:50:16< timotei> :)
20100821 19:50:20< Gambit> yeesh it's only been like 50 minutes
20100821 19:50:27< shadowmaster> I'm an amateur designer.
20100821 19:50:28< timotei> actually, he has *more* experience
20100821 19:50:36< Gambit> timotei: I dunno...
20100821 19:50:39< shadowmaster> my website and wesnoth-umc-dev's are examples of my work
20100821 19:50:52< Gambit> timotei: He has better experience :D
20100821 19:51:04< Gambit> I'm not sure about quantity though
20100821 19:51:33< timotei> I think experience is measured in quantity
20100821 19:51:44< timotei> and only after in quality...
20100821 19:53:05< Gambit> timotei: I'm just playing around though.
20100821 19:53:13< Gambit> shadowmaster is at least 100 times a better choice
20100821 19:53:31< Gambit> For the simple fact that until he told me about it I had no idea there even was "valid html"
20100821 19:53:40< Gambit> There was just HTML that worked :P
20100821 19:54:10< timotei> it depends the doctype you adhere to
20100821 19:54:28< timotei>  /the/on the
20100821 19:55:00< shadowmaster> that worked slightly or dramatically different on different browsers
20100821 19:55:28< timotei> hmm 
20100821 19:56:55< timotei> shadowmaster: I was thinking about this: instead of the original menu to have something like:
20100821 19:56:57< Gambit> timotei: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/4LURRrE2
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20100821 19:57:23< timotei> Home | Documentation & How to | Features | Battle for wesnoth (this links to official page)
20100821 19:57:51< timotei> Gambit: hm, I don't have those families of fonts
20100821 19:57:57< timotei> only the last 2
20100821 19:58:10< Gambit> timotei: Your gripe is with wesnoth.org then?
20100821 19:58:18< timotei> gripe??
20100821 19:58:23< Gambit> *complaint
20100821 19:58:38< Gambit> Hmmm
20100821 19:59:01< Gambit> timotei: That block came from the main stylesheet
20100821 19:59:15< Gambit> It's just #overview li span now instead of #overview li a
20100821 20:00:57< timotei> oh man, I have to dd my hardrive:-S
20100821 20:01:37< Gambit> timotei: Anything else I should fix?
20100821 20:01:43< timotei> no. thanks
20100821 20:02:07< timotei> I'll fix other things by myself
20100821 20:03:25< Gambit> timotei: Also I thought the upload add-ons thing was password protected or whatever
20100821 20:03:36< Gambit> shouldn't that be removed from the features list?
20100821 20:03:39< timotei> Gambit: you put your own pasprase:)
20100821 20:03:43< timotei> in options :P
20100821 20:03:51< timotei> oh right, I need to document the preferences too:)
20100821 20:09:05< timotei> hmm, the svn checkout doesn't know php right
20100821 20:09:05< timotei> ?
20100821 20:30:49< timotei> shadowmaster: is the main page of wesnoth part of the wiki?
20100821 20:31:57< shadowmaster> no
20100821 20:32:03< shadowmaster> it's a static XHTML page
20100821 20:33:33< timotei> shadowmaster: have you ever run dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1
20100821 20:33:34< timotei> :)
20100821 20:33:47< shadowmaster> no
20100821 20:33:47< timotei> Actually: bs=1M
20100821 20:33:58< shadowmaster> I avoid dd out of fear of typos
20100821 20:34:20< timotei> I will do that on my harddrive
20100821 20:34:23< timotei> before sending it to service
20100821 20:34:28< timotei> I don't trust those guys
20100821 20:34:37< timotei> especially now they have to enter windows to test the wifi
20100821 20:35:02< shadowmaster> wait, what?
20100821 20:35:13< shadowmaster> they can't do that. what if you have your system password-protected?
20100821 20:35:28< timotei> hmm
20100821 20:35:36< shadowmaster> (which is what Microsoft and everybody else recommends)
20100821 20:35:41< timotei> I have BIOS password, and Windows/Linux password
20100821 20:35:48< timotei> but I don't know what they come p to
20100821 20:36:08< timotei> since they will eventually need to enter an OS to test??? the wifi?
20100821 20:36:55< timotei> I don't know if you know already, but since my last BIOS service, the wifi is pretty not so usable
20100821 20:37:04< timotei> so I need to send it out to service again:(
20100821 20:37:21< timotei> but first I backup everything, dd, put windows and ship it
20100821 20:37:35< timotei> I need to re-do my partition table also
20100821 20:37:47< timotei> so linux partition will be right next to windows
20100821 20:38:00< timotei> windows | linux | other partitions
20100821 20:39:50< timotei> nice strategy, a?
20100821 20:47:27< timotei> Gambit: ok, I've updated the page;P
20100821 20:47:47< Gambit> link?
20100821 20:48:02< timotei> it needs to update the checkout first http://eclipse.wesnoth.org/
20100821 20:48:15< Gambit> ah that explains it
20100821 20:48:18< timotei> shadowmaster: hmm, the portrait of the green lizard never appeared:(
20100821 20:48:30< shadowmaster> why should it?
20100821 20:48:31< timotei> on the selector.php
20100821 20:48:38< shadowmaster> you realize it's completely random, rught?
20100821 20:48:41< timotei> yes
20100821 20:50:39< shadowmaster> then?
20100821 20:51:19< shadowmaster> ah, and it just appeared from me after like 30 reloads
20100821 20:51:24< shadowmaster> *for
20100821 20:52:52< Gambit> clearly wesnoth's RNG is in use on the website as well
20100821 21:06:35< shadowmaster> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/7Zj9AQj7
20100821 21:07:23< Gambit> I can't seem to get that multihex volcanoe
20100821 21:07:27< Gambit> I've filled the whole map.
20100821 21:07:42< shadowmaster> volcano
20100821 21:07:52< shadowmaster> the plural is volcanoes
20100821 21:08:15< Gambit> Oh it's volcano + mountain
20100821 21:08:26< shadowmaster> I begin to understand why some people have told me that my spelling is better than the average U.S. citizen
20100821 21:08:47< timotei> shadowmaster: how do you have a better spelling?:)
20100821 21:09:03< shadowmaster> dictionaries, courses, etc.
20100821 21:09:17< timotei> you read?
20100821 21:09:20< timotei> (books)?
20100821 21:09:25< shadowmaster> no
20100821 21:09:56< timotei> do you know the single of formula?
20100821 21:09:58< shadowmaster> just technical stuff, mainly
20100821 21:10:03< shadowmaster> the single of what?
20100821 21:10:14< timotei> the plural sorry
20100821 21:10:35< Gambit> formulæ
20100821 21:10:39< timotei> :P
20100821 21:11:23< shadowmaster> formulas also works
20100821 21:11:38< timotei> man... miktex's fonts databases takes forever to delete :-<
20100821 21:19:53< Gambit> shadowmaster: we need a [ybpwtlw] tag
20100821 21:19:59< Gambit> (bbcode)
20100821 21:20:13< shadowmaster> and what the fuck is that?
20100821 21:20:28< Gambit> It keeps track of (and increments) a number every time it is used
20100821 21:20:32< Gambit> you've been playing wesnoth too long when
20100821 21:20:47< shadowmaster> no
20100821 21:21:25< shadowmaster> that'd be a waste of database rows.s
20100821 21:21:47< Gambit> shadowmaster: store it in a text file
20100821 21:21:49< timotei> shadowmaster: make it uses cookies?
20100821 21:21:52< shadowmaster> no
20100821 21:21:55< Gambit> It really wasn't a serious suggestion though.
20100821 21:22:04< Gambit> shadowmaster: This is why tongues are required!
20100821 21:22:13< timotei> Gambit: where would you use that?
20100821 21:22:25< shadowmaster> since you tend to make far more ridiculous serious requests, I wouldn't know either way
20100821 21:22:44< Gambit> timotei: it was more or less my response to this: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=451399#p451399
20100821 21:22:51< timotei> there is built-in support for some statistics in phpbb like: views count, downloads counts
20100821 21:22:55< timotei> s/counts/count
20100821 21:23:01< Gambit> shadowmaster: Name one request that was more rediculous.
20100821 21:23:06< Gambit> :P
20100821 21:23:09< timotei> aaaaaa
20100821 21:23:11< timotei> can't belive:O
20100821 21:23:15< timotei> I see right?
20100821 21:23:42< Gambit> Hmm I just realized the perfect response to that.
20100821 21:23:49< Gambit> shadowmaster: Don't name one request that was more rediculous.
20100821 21:23:51< shadowmaster> Gambit: including content from external webpages in the game client
20100821 21:23:59< shadowmaster> *embedding
20100821 21:24:03< Gambit> That's less rediculous.
20100821 21:24:14< shadowmaster> also being made a moderator
20100821 21:24:14< Gambit> shadowmaster: "requesting"
20100821 21:24:15< timotei> shadowmaster: you put prosilver as default, right?:)
20100821 21:24:23< Gambit> There. That's the perfect response.
20100821 21:24:23< shadowmaster> timotei: yes
20100821 21:24:28< Gambit> shadowmaster: YOU ARE WINNER!
20100821 21:24:30< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, embedding
20100821 21:24:33< timotei> Thanks :D
20100821 21:24:35< shadowmaster> Wesnoth already knows how to request like that.
20100821 21:24:40< timotei> oh
20100821 21:24:40< timotei> :(
20100821 21:24:44< timotei> I was not logged in
20100821 21:25:01< shadowmaster> timotei: you can change your style choice in your user contrl panel, y'know
20100821 21:25:17< timotei> shadowmaster: of course I know. but I tought you made it default for everyone
20100821 21:25:27< Gambit> I dunno. Embedding sounds like it takes place at the begining.
20100821 21:25:34< shadowmaster> yes, it is the default for newly registered users
20100821 21:25:34< Gambit> I wanted it to wait until it got to the tag.
20100821 21:25:43< shadowmaster> I can't change the choice for other people because they'd lynch me if I did that
20100821 21:25:51< timotei> sorry Gambit. I had to
20100821 21:26:00< Gambit> Had to what?
20100821 21:26:00< shadowmaster> Gambit: you ail then.
20100821 21:26:07< shadowmaster> *fail
20100821 21:26:17< timotei> on #wesnoth-dev
20100821 21:26:48< timotei> hmm, Gambit what do you use to check the forums for new messages?
20100821 21:26:52< timotei> are you using the rss feed?
20100821 21:27:09< Gambit> timotei: For Art Development and Experimental Corner I use janebot
20100821 21:27:14< Gambit> for everything else I just check now and again
20100821 21:27:17< timotei> no
20100821 21:27:22< timotei> what do you use in janebot
20100821 21:28:05< Gambit> example: janebot !subscribe 36;w,18;w
20100821 21:28:24< Gambit> That's forums 18 and 36 on the Wesnoth boards.
20100821 21:28:31< timotei> what do you use internally, for janebot to check new messages.
20100821 21:28:34< Gambit> Oh
20100821 21:28:55< Gambit> timotei: It checks all the rss feeds every 10 minutes and compares the posts to a database of all posts to see if the posts are new
20100821 21:29:05< timotei> ok. so you use rss feed
20100821 21:29:06< Gambit> *atom feeds
20100821 21:30:41< Gambit> I'll look at the [maintainer] thing tomorow, but I think one a day is plenty
20100821 21:30:43< Gambit> (no promises!)
20100821 21:30:52< Gambit> (I still have absolutely 0% clue what I'm doing mind you!)
20100821 21:31:28< Gambit> I've never even made a proper credits entry
20100821 21:31:34< Gambit> So I wouldn't even know where to begin.
20100821 21:33:10< timotei> well don't know
20100821 21:33:14< Gambit> timotei: Furthermore maintainer would not be a tag
20100821 21:33:19< timotei> I was just saying:)
20100821 21:33:30< Gambit> Right okay
20100821 21:34:22< zookeeper> wait, what? wtf would we need a new tag for marking maintainers?
20100821 21:34:54< zookeeper> we don't need [programmer], [artist] or [designer] either
20100821 21:35:11< Gambit> Indeed
20100821 21:35:48< Gambit> zookeeper: You just want a key maintainer= for [about]?
20100821 21:37:41< timotei> haha
20100821 21:37:44< timotei> zookeeper++
20100821 21:37:49< timotei> you made my day
20100821 21:38:06< timotei> can't stop laughing
20100821 21:40:44< Gambit> Yeah... I don't  understand much of about.cpp so no thanks on this project :)
20100821 21:40:48< shadowmaster> Gambit: you seem to be leaning on the side of syntatic sugar.
20100821 21:40:59< shadowmaster> we value semantics here over syntax
20100821 21:41:03< Gambit> Huh?
20100821 21:41:10< shadowmaster> and we abide by the KISS principle
20100821 21:41:18< shadowmaster> weren't you taking about adding a [maintainer] tag?
20100821 21:41:26< Gambit> Nope.
20100821 21:41:34< Gambit> [15:33:11] <Gambit> timotei: Furthermore maintainer would not be a tag
20100821 21:41:36< shadowmaster> 15:30:41 <Gambit> I'll look at the [maintainer] thing tomorow, but I think one a day is plenty
20100821 21:42:02< shadowmaster> not much difference compared to an indiivdual attribute for that
20100821 21:42:08< Gambit> shadowmaster: I was replying to timotei in #wesnoth-dev
20100821 21:42:15< Gambit> But then I started actually thinking about the task.
20100821 21:42:21< shadowmaster> the credits WML grammar is generic enough to suit all purposes
20100821 21:42:44< shadowmaster> then shame on timotei
20100821 21:43:04< timotei> :P
20100821 21:43:06< Gambit> Shame on nobody.
20100821 21:43:10< Gambit> We got to the right answer!
20100821 21:43:13< Gambit> It just took a few seconds :P
20100821 21:43:18< zookeeper> timotei, did you stop laughing already? :p
20100821 21:43:31< timotei> zookeeper: not really. everytime I look in the chat it bursts again
20100821 21:43:42< timotei> and now shadowmaster add some flavour
20100821 21:43:44< zookeeper> timotei, okay...you're welcome ;)
20100821 21:43:59 * Gambit doesn't get it :(
20100821 21:43:59 * shadowmaster tastes delicious
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20100821 21:44:20< shadowmaster> well, afk anyway. I need to go work on...manual stuff.
20100821 21:44:24< zookeeper> Gambit, and no, we don't need any new keys
20100821 21:44:30< shadowmaster> finishing parts of the house, etc.
20100821 21:44:41< Gambit> Hmm. If it's not a tag, and it's not an attribute...
20100821 21:44:42< e_s-iOS> shadowmaster: check the reported posts section.
20100821 21:44:45< timotei> shadowmaster: good luck
20100821 21:44:50< zookeeper> there's no problem with having a credits section titled "campaign maintainer" or "campaign maintenance" like most campaigns already do
20100821 21:44:58< timotei> Gambit: I laugh about how zookeeper said those 2 lines :P
20100821 21:45:00< Gambit> Ohhh
20100821 21:45:06< timotei> Gambit: like 'WTF????'
20100821 21:45:19< shadowmaster> e_s-iOS: not priotity, so I'll attend to it like this evening or something
20100821 21:45:20< Gambit> zookeeper: I see now.
20100821 21:45:23< shadowmaster> priority
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20100821 21:45:39< e_s-iOS> shadowmaster: I just wanted to ask if I used that properly, that's all.
20100821 21:45:48< e_s-iOS> I know it's not important.
20100821 21:46:21< e_s-iOS> Basically, can I use the report post button to notify a mod to split/do moderator actions on a post?
20100821 21:47:15< Gambit> I wonder what the chance of success would be if tomorow I attempted to make first_time_only default to no
20100821 21:47:16< e_s-iOS> s/to split//to /
20100821 21:47:43< Gambit> wmllint would be capable of changing everything yes?
20100821 21:48:04< Gambit> technically nothing would need changing
20100821 21:48:11< zookeeper> Gambit, uh oh
20100821 21:48:16< Gambit> there'd just be a lot of for-nothing "first_time_only=no"'s
20100821 21:48:28< zookeeper> no, don't try
20100821 21:48:28< Gambit> zookeeper: Do you think that has like no chance of going mainline?
20100821 21:48:31< Gambit> Okay :(
20100821 21:48:53 * Gambit rereads the so called "Easy" coding page
20100821 21:49:06< zookeeper> first of all i don't really see the need, and secondly it sounds awfully prone to break a lot of stuff
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20100821 21:49:24< zookeeper> what would be nice would be a shorter name for the key... :P
20100821 21:49:34< zookeeper> like once=yes|no
20100821 21:50:12< Gambit> Well that sounds right up my alley.
20100821 21:50:19< Gambit> And easily wmllintable
20100821 21:50:44< Gambit> zookeeper: I'd imagine that it should be okay with both names for a while?
20100821 21:50:58< Gambit> And then eventually first_time_only would be removed?
20100821 21:53:50< zookeeper> eh, yeah, sometime in the far future
20100821 21:54:31< zookeeper> but i'm not sure if even such a shorter name is necessary. i've gotten pretty fast in typing first_time_only=no ;)
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