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20100825 00:04:51<+CIA-18> wesnoth-umc-dev: elvishsovereign * r7529 /branches/1.8/Promised_Land/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Redesigned map and dialogue of the first story scenario.
20100825 00:10:45<+CIA-18> wesnoth-umc-dev: elvishsovereign * r7530 /branches/1.8/Promised_Land/CHANGELOG: Updated Changelog
20100825 00:14:47<+CIA-18> wesnoth-umc-dev: elvishsovereign * r7531 /branches/1.8/Promised_Land/utils/pl-utils.cfg: Updated utils
20100825 00:31:24<+CIA-18> wesnoth-umc-dev: elvishsovereign * r7532 /branches/1.8/Promised_Land/scenarios/story_Prologue.cfg: Fixed a story bug.
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20100825 01:55:28< AI0867> if you're at the isle of alduin and want to go to weldyn, what would your path be?
20100825 02:05:26< AI0867> blackwater port is the obvious place to make landfall, but are there other ports around there?
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20100825 02:21:41< Gambit> AI0867: The dock tax at blackwater is insane. I ussually just bring 'er up to a beach somewhere.
20100825 02:22:21< Gambit> Real Men™ are okay with getting wet!
20100825 02:36:43< AI0867> Gambit: and what if you're an invading army?
20100825 02:37:10< Gambit> Armies are made of Ream Men™
20100825 02:37:23< Gambit> *real
20100825 02:37:40< Gambit> AI0867: I'd make land much further away
20100825 02:37:46< Gambit> Then I'd leave a minimal crew on the ships
20100825 02:37:51< Gambit> And bring them around to bombard the port
20100825 02:38:04< AI0867> blackwater port is not the goal
20100825 02:38:33< AI0867> but crushing it underfoot could be nice
20100825 02:38:48< Gambit> The enemy would be distracted by the ships at the port
20100825 02:39:15< AI0867> Gambit: the goal is to get to weldyn quickly
20100825 02:39:28< AI0867> unloading ships at a beach without a dock takes time
20100825 02:40:40< AI0867> going out of your way to attack a city even more so
20100825 02:41:32< Gambit> Yes but I think that having the enemy send a large force to the port is worth the time delay.
20100825 02:42:07< Gambit> The ships can't reach the city, but you can still put them to very good use.
20100825 02:42:47< Gambit> The key is for them to not know about the men you put on the ground until as late as possible.
20100825 02:43:11< Gambit> Preferably after the reinforcements arrive at the port.
20100825 02:43:18< Gambit> Of course having silver mages in wesnoth...
20100825 02:48:12< AI0867> and then there's the gameplay annoyance from splitting your army
20100825 02:48:40< AI0867> it gets worse if one part is on a suicide mission
20100825 02:48:50< AI0867> I was originally assuming the ships would be abandoned
20100825 02:49:52< AI0867> and while the goal is weldyn, the leader cares about destruction a lot more than distraction
20100825 02:50:39< Gambit> Weldyn is a big forest right?
20100825 02:51:27< Gambit> AI0867: if the leader likes destruction this should be Wesnoth's first player controlled Shermans March
20100825 02:53:58< Gambit> I honestly can't give advice knowing nothing about the campaign.
20100825 02:54:00< Gambit> Sorry.
20100825 02:54:14< AI0867> look at wesnoth's map
20100825 02:54:14< Gambit> I didn't realize until now that you were actually writing a campaign.
20100825 02:54:21< AI0867> weldyn is wesnoth's captial
20100825 02:54:24< fendrin> hi AI0867
20100825 02:54:25< AI0867> capital*
20100825 02:55:04< AI0867> hey
20100825 02:55:08< Gambit> Ah
20100825 02:55:23< Gambit> Eww
20100825 02:55:44< Gambit> That is a lot of land between Blackwater and Weldyn
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20100825 02:56:15< Gambit> Is the Great River deep enough for ships?
20100825 02:56:43< Gambit> I'd get off at Glyn's Forest
20100825 02:57:03< Gambit> It'd be good cover too whilst  you unload
20100825 02:57:16< Gambit> Getting past Elensefar would be an issue though...
20100825 02:58:54< Gambit> AI0867: Does Aldril have a port?
20100825 02:59:43< AI0867> dunno
20100825 02:59:45< AI0867> possibly
20100825 03:00:22< AI0867> and sailing up the great river seems like a bad idea for moving an invading army
20100825 03:00:31< AI0867> you'd first have to get past elensefar
20100825 03:01:14< AI0867> ah, you'd already answered that
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20100825 03:09:34< AI0867> adril is an option, I'm not sure I want to replay two httt scenarios in succession
20100825 03:12:11< AI0867> er, three...
20100825 03:45:33< Gambit> What about that river to the south?
20100825 03:45:46< Gambit> Actually I don't think it looks like you could even get out of Aethenwood
20100825 03:48:42< AI0867> that's not really an option, no
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20100825 04:26:52< Shadowmaster> fendrin: you were looking for me?
20100825 04:30:46<+CIA-18> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7533 /trunk/The_Dark_Hordes/ (STORY STORYBOARD): Storyboard updates
20100825 04:32:13<+CIA-18> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7534 /trunk/The_Dark_Hordes/scenarios/11_An_Orcish_Coup.cfg: Music for scenario 11
20100825 04:37:43<+CIA-18> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7535 /trunk/The_Dark_Hordes/maps/ (10_Return_to_the_Northlands.map 11_An_Orcish_Coup.map): Map updates for scenarios 10 and 11
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20100825 04:51:16<+CIA-18> wesnoth-umc-dev: AI0867 * r7536 /trunk/The_Dark_Hordes/utils/journey.cfg: Added some more tracks, with preliminary names.
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20100825 05:06:30<+CIA-18> wesnoth-umc-dev: elvishsovereign * r7537 /branches/1.8/Promised_Land/scenarios/story_Prologue.cfg: Corrected a couple ellisions.
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20100825 20:06:25< e_s-iOS> Shadowmaster: I'm getting emails that my commits for my campaign need to be approved?
20100825 20:06:35< e_s-iOS> And that i was posting as a non-member?
20100825 20:06:49< e_s-iOS> Espreon: ^
20100825 20:07:36< e_s-iOS> AI0867: ^
20100825 20:07:37< AI0867> e_s-iOS: you'd need to join the wesnoth-umc-dev-commits mailing list
20100825 20:07:52< AI0867> but I usually just add you to the auto-accept list
20100825 20:08:04< e_s-iOS> ah. So I'm doing everything alright?
20100825 20:08:11< e_s-iOS> Am I making any mistakes?
20100825 20:08:39< AI0867> well, it doesn't say you should join up anywhere
20100825 20:08:51< e_s-iOS> Hm.
20100825 20:09:04< AI0867> http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=221284
20100825 20:09:50< e_s-iOS> So I guess I'm okay, right?
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20100825 22:01:08< Gambit> Hmmm the shroud map cannot be stored.
20100825 22:01:30< Gambit> So I guess persistent RPGs can't use that yet.
20100825 22:03:02< Shadowmaster> didn't somebody write a lua thingy to store and unstore the shroud map?
20100825 22:03:12< Shadowmaster> I'm thinking melinath, for his lua pack
20100825 22:07:43< Gambit> must... patch... into... game... *twitch*
20100825 22:07:54< Gambit> Shadowmaster: Thanks I'll search for it :D
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20100825 22:12:48< Gambit> I think I've gone as far as I can in WML without learning how the heck allow_undo works
20100825 22:13:56< Gambit> Oh it's just [allow_undo][/allow_undo] ?
20100825 22:13:59< Gambit> Well that's...
20100825 22:14:01< Gambit> Not helpful
20100825 22:14:14< Gambit> I thought you could put code inside there to be executed when they undo...
20100825 22:14:53< zookeeper> O.o
20100825 22:15:07< zookeeper> how the heck have you managed so far without using it?
20100825 22:20:26< Gambit> All my movetos have done really permanent things
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20100825 22:52:51< zookeeper> Gambit, strange
20100825 22:53:05< zookeeper> never done simple signposts or something? :P
20100825 22:53:10< Gambit> Nope
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