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20100814 00:00:21< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/95-Wesnoth.org-and-the-Prosilver-transition.html
20100814 00:00:51< shadowmaster> #wesnoth-dev http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/95-Wesnoth.org-and-the-Prosilver-transition.html
20100814 00:01:05< shadowmaster> ignore the channel name.
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20100814 02:53:30< hagabaka> when I use wget --content-disposition to download a file from the forum, it's not recognizing the correct file name, because server sends a header like "Content-Disposition: attachment; filename*=UTF-8''wesnoth-revisited.7z" where the last part should be just filename="wesnoth-revisisted.7z", I think
20100814 02:53:43< hagabaka> Firefox seems to handle it correctly though
20100814 02:54:41< shadowmaster> maybe ask the phpBB guys what's up. That's out of my ocontrol.
20100814 02:55:31< hagabaka> oh
20100814 02:55:59< hagabaka> was phpBB updated recently? I think it worked well until these two days
20100814 02:57:06< shadowmaster> no
20100814 02:57:20< shadowmaster> the last forum upgrade was like one month ago.
20100814 02:57:30< hagabaka> hmm
20100814 02:57:44< shadowmaster> by phpBB guysI mean the upstream developers, by the way
20100814 03:02:51< hagabaka> I guess phpBB and Firefox are doing it right; it's a bug in wget https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?22537
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20100814 03:19:37< rabbitweed> this sceneraio is telling me to use mages. I don't have mages. it's a trick!
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20100814 03:20:24< VurtualRuler98> Some kind of crazy wizard magic is at hand.
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20100814 03:40:34< rabbitweed> lol linaera keeps talking of all her apprentice mages who are long since dead and I can't make new ones
20100814 03:41:37< VurtualRuler98> I love bugs like that.
20100814 03:41:47< VurtualRuler98> It adds so much depth, it's almost not height anymore.
20100814 04:04:10< rabbitweed> ha
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20100814 04:04:25< rabbitweed> ranged combat in this game does confuse me though. I mean it's not very ranged
20100814 04:06:34< Gambit> It's not ranged at all by default.
20100814 04:08:21< VurtualRuler98> "So, we got all the IPs of the pirates." "That isn't names or addresses, go bring laws down on the ISPs, get addresses!" "But sir, if we just took a few seconds for each IP, we could ge-" "GO!"
20100814 04:09:40< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: I'll create a gui in visual basic.
20100814 04:09:44< Gambit> See if I can track them.
20100814 04:10:13< VurtualRuler98> or use one of thousands of IP-locationing services, it's like a gui in visual basic but even better.
20100814 04:10:46< Gambit> I care about the end user damnit!
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20100814 04:32:41< rabbitweed> Gambit: ranged by default? do explain. you can change a setting to make it ranged?:O
20100814 04:33:05< Gambit> rabbitweed: There are mods that make it ranged
20100814 04:33:11< Gambit> Or mods that contain certain units that are ranged.
20100814 04:33:49< rabbitweed> ah
20100814 04:34:13< Gambit> Furthermore, I dunno how new you are to wesnoth, but the mods in this game are actually worth downloading.
20100814 04:34:21< Gambit> At least ~10% of them
20100814 04:34:32< VurtualRuler98> Half-Life 2 still has you beat on percents though
20100814 04:34:39< Gambit> It's not like other games where almost everyone uses pure default content because All Mods Are Shite
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20100814 04:35:04< Gambit> So I definitely suggest once you get tired of regular wesnoth you experiment with some of the popular add-ons.
20100814 04:35:13< Gambit> It's a whole new game.
20100814 04:35:27< Gambit> (Ranged Era makes it ranged for real)
20100814 04:35:34< Gambit> (Less Luck Era makes it less luck)
20100814 04:35:43< Gambit> (Wesband is like turn based Diablo)
20100814 04:36:02< VurtualRuler98> Is there a mod that turns all the %s into values relative of zero?
20100814 04:36:15< VurtualRuler98> for defense-values
20100814 04:36:20< VurtualRuler98> Like instead of 70% it's +0, or something, and 80% would be +1, and 60% -1
20100814 04:36:22< Gambit> (Anything by Bob The Mighty is liquid awesome produced from the bodily secretions of Zues himself)
20100814 04:36:45< sacho> zeus
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20100814 04:37:07< Gambit> sacho: No. Zues. Zeus's older (cooler) brother!
20100814 04:37:21< Gambit> He was left out of popular mythology for being too awesome.
20100814 04:37:50< Gambit> It is his bodily secretions from whence BtM's add-ons come.
20100814 04:37:55< sacho> pretty sure he was left out for having a fugly name :p
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20100814 04:39:07< VurtualRuler98> His power was thunder.
20100814 04:39:17< VurtualRuler98> The vuvuzuela is derived from his name.
20100814 04:39:45< VurtualRuler98> Anyone who threatened modding would be immediately struck down by a thousand trumpets and an army of bees.
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20100814 06:19:12< rabbitweed> Wesband!? ohhh
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20100814 10:20:55< lewis1711> what exactly do skirmishers do? have a rogue in my army but dunno how it use it effectively
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20100814 10:23:16< Naeddyr> Skirmishers ignore enemy units when they move.
20100814 10:23:37< Naeddyr> Unlike other units, that have to stop if they are next to an enemy.
20100814 10:24:03< lewis1711> ahh
20100814 10:24:06< lewis1711> thanks
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20100814 10:43:20< Ivanovic> moin
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20100814 10:59:37< Naeddyr> moips
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20100814 11:10:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> thespaceinvader: yeah, it looks much better with outlines
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20100814 11:11:16< Unnheulu> Actually, on that note, I'm redrawing the units hands as I reach them
20100814 11:12:24< Unnheulu> So yeah, thanks
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20100814 11:31:05< Unnheulu> Is new2 being deliberately hostile....
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20100814 12:06:02< thespaceinvader> Unnheulu: probably
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20100814 12:13:57< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader: I'll work on it later/tomorrow, I'm upgrading the xmoto forum to phpbbb3
20100814 12:14:02< Unnheulu> *phpbb
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20100814 12:28:08< joo> phpb^3
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20100814 13:42:14< Naeddyr> I'm sorry, is there any sort of basic source on faction balancing in the mainline?
20100814 13:42:39< Naeddyr> Philosophy of Faction Balance?
20100814 13:53:20< Ivanovic> huh?
20100814 13:53:38< Ivanovic> you mean beside "they have all to play well and no faction has to be clearly overpowered"?
20100814 13:54:27< Ivanovic> if there is something like this, i'd imagine that you find it in the wiki (easiest way for finding: use google to search site:wiki.wesnoth.org)
20100814 13:56:15< Naeddyr> thanks.
20100814 13:56:53< Naeddyr> I was thinking "this is how they are balanced at the moment: what affects what, what would change if we changed this, etc".
20100814 13:57:22< Ivanovic> unlikely that you will find detailed docs like this
20100814 13:57:30< Naeddyr> Say, if you gave each faction's ranged attackers (archers) a small extra ability, how would that affect general balance, etc.
20100814 13:57:31< Ivanovic> you might see it in the forums, not sure at all though
20100814 13:57:37< Naeddyr> Ivanovic: pity.
20100814 13:58:24< Ivanovic> not a pity at all simply because there are too many units for those "general assumptions"
20100814 13:58:46< Naeddyr> :|
20100814 13:59:06< Ivanovic> but like i said, you should search your self a little over the forums, the website and so on
20100814 13:59:34< Naeddyr> yes, you said that.
20100814 13:59:38< Ivanovic> if you want to search somehow differently than "just clicking through things" i'd recommend to *not* use the wiki or forum search themselves but eg google or some other larger search engine
20100814 14:00:16< Naeddyr> okiedaydo
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20100814 19:30:04< Naeddyr> sorry this question, I've been looking through .cfg files, and am I wrong in thinking that all the standard abilities (their id=s, at least), like leadership and heal, are hard-coded into the game? if they aren't, where could I find the WML they've been coded with?
20100814 19:31:14< Naeddyr> or is this the wrong channel for this
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20100814 19:37:45< Naeddyr> hi
20100814 19:42:30< Naeddyr> haha oh wow
20100814 19:42:45< Naeddyr> i had no idea my zombie wose was committed :DD
20100814 19:43:00< Naeddyr> god
20100814 19:43:02< Naeddyr> it looks like crap
20100814 19:49:31< Gambit> Naeddyr: Abilities are in data/core/macros/abilities.cfg
20100814 19:49:41< Naeddyr> those are macros
20100814 19:49:45< Naeddyr> i meant the underlying coding
20100814 19:49:53< Gambit> The ability types are, sadly, hardcoded.
20100814 19:50:08< Naeddyr> ok, i just wanted to know that
20100814 19:50:13< Gambit> Naeddyr: See: the WML Reference page on abilities
20100814 19:50:16< Naeddyr> otherwise i might have been on a snipe hunter lunger
20100814 19:50:23< Gambit> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/AbilitiesWML
20100814 19:50:49< Gambit> Though I think lua might make it possible to code new ability types
20100814 19:50:51< Naeddyr> thanks, I knew about it already.
20100814 19:51:07< Naeddyr> I think what I have in mind might be WMLable.
20100814 19:51:20< Naeddyr> it's an ability similar to leadership
20100814 19:51:48< Naeddyr> i haven't done WML before but it seems simple enough as long as you get to it
20100814 19:52:33< Naeddyr> basically i'm thinking of trying to first code it as an attack event, where the defender checks with [filter_adjacent] for any units with the ability in question, and that's as far as i am right now
20100814 19:53:32< Naeddyr> can you do randomisation in WML?
20100814 19:53:40< Naeddyr> that sounds likely
20100814 19:54:12< Gambit> {VARIABLE_OP foo rand "0..10"}
20100814 19:54:23< Naeddyr> yep, thanks.
20100814 19:54:31< Naeddyr> i mean, i'm not that far yet
20100814 19:54:36< Naeddyr> but thanks anyway. :D
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20100814 20:16:07< Naeddyr> hi you
20100814 20:16:57< Unnheulu> Hi
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20100814 20:44:35< Unnheulu> Bah
20100814 20:44:54< Unnheulu> Met Office issueing warning of heavy rain
20100814 20:45:02< Unnheulu> Like an inch in the next 2/3 hours
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20100814 21:56:23< Unnheulu> shadowm_laptop: the votes aren't looking in the favour of giving up the subsilver themes...
20100814 21:56:39< Unnheulu> (Incase you haven't checked :P)
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20100814 22:30:22< Unnheulu> Rhonda: o
20100814 22:30:26< Unnheulu> oops
20100814 22:30:33< Unnheulu> You have too much spare time on your hands :P
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20100814 23:08:49< shadowm_laptop> Unnheulu: of course I have checked. I'm not blind.
20100814 23:09:04< shadowm_laptop> and I have posted in the same thread at least thrice.
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20100814 23:34:24< Zarel> shadowmaster: lol, I still don't know what question you were expecting me to ask there.
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20100814 23:36:06< shadowmaster> "why not rewrite them to make that point clearer to users?"
20100814 23:36:45< Zarel> LOL
20100814 23:37:02< Zarel> I see you've redesigned some prosilver icons.
20100814 23:37:17< shadowmaster> no, I didn't.
20100814 23:37:25< shadowmaster> I just took them from elsewhere.
20100814 23:37:26< Zarel> Well, you replaced them.
20100814 23:37:43< Zarel> You know, "redesign" doesn't mean you created them from scratch.
20100814 23:38:04< shadowmaster> around here it tends to mean someone edited/remade content.
20100814 23:38:13< Zarel> If you decided an icon was appropriate and pushed it onto the production server, that counts as redesigning.
20100814 23:38:39< Zarel> Of note, the border size doesn't fit the sticky border size.
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20100814 23:39:56< Zarel> shadowmaster: What about the difference between read and unread?
20100814 23:40:17< Zarel> Personally, I think prosilver is just as clear as subsilver2 in terms of the read/unread icon.
20100814 23:40:23< shadowmaster> they seem to match here.
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20100814 23:40:41< shadowmaster> the borders, that is.
20100814 23:40:43< Zarel> I mean w.r.t. "The differences amongst read/unread ... icon pairs in Prosilver are less noticeable"
20100814 23:41:37< VurtualRuler98> Can't you just like.. change it?
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20100814 23:42:30< Zarel> shadowmaster: Consider SE Square Left? Silene likes it better. :P
20100814 23:42:39< shadowmaster> I am.
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