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20100823 00:14:38< Hulavuta> Hi
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20100823 03:21:09< root> hiya
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20100823 04:12:56< Dragoth_jpn> sup
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20100823 04:23:50< joo> I wonder what the longest continous game of BfW is...
20100823 04:24:00< joo> I just played one that lasted 6 hours.
20100823 04:25:21< shadowmaster> I've heard of some that have lasted days with help from saved games.
20100823 04:31:02< joo> Yes... I suppose at a certain point that does become neccesary.
20100823 04:31:15< joo> I can imagine 8-player games on massive maps taking a really long time,
20100823 04:31:31< joo> And it would be awful trying to get everyone online at the same time to continue it.
20100823 04:33:06< artisticdude> Which is why people tend not to play really large games, generally speaking. 
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20100823 05:22:11< chungy> There's a typo on the Wesnoth front page, the Mac OS X version is 290.5 bytes large apparently :p
20100823 05:24:59< joo> You might want to report that in #wesnoth-dev
20100823 05:26:37< chungy> ah okay, wasn't entirely sure if someone here could fix that
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20100823 09:31:58< Ivanovic> moin
20100823 09:35:26< Dragoth_jpn> sup
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20100823 10:44:22< toruneko> does anyone know how to solve "disconnected player" bug?
20100823 10:44:56< toruneko> like if someone get's disconnected, he/she loses control of his/her units
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20100823 10:46:09< MeccaGod> Let him/her reconnect and then give him/her the control back? (Forgot if you actually can reconnect or if you have to start a new game.)
20100823 10:48:24< toruneko> well, we tried that, but that didn't help
20100823 10:49:48< toruneko> we also tried reloading the game, but then that auto-save was either too recent that those moves were not recognized or too early that we had to play an earlier turn, which is not good because the outcome of some attacks might be different
20100823 10:50:57< toruneko> i think the only true way to solve this issue is to have the server recognize that the disconnected player is disconnected
20100823 10:51:58< toruneko> or, maybe registered nicks can kick the previously signed on nick, so doing that might help too...
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20100823 11:08:36< Soliton> what exactly is the problem?
20100823 11:09:28< Soliton> the server does recognize disconnected players after a timeout and registered players can indeed kick their ghost.
20100823 11:12:21< toruneko> so the problem is dced player not being able to get his/her units to move correctly
20100823 11:13:50< toruneko> all the units' movement points are the same from the previous turn
20100823 11:15:05< toruneko> @Soliton
20100823 11:15:17< toruneko> @ Soliton
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20100823 11:16:34< Soliton> i don't know what that means.
20100823 11:16:54< Soliton> what previous turn?
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20100823 15:14:37< Altreus> If I save a multiplayer game hosted on an external server but keep the save game locally, is that sufficient to continue the game later?
20100823 15:15:01< Soliton> yes.
20100823 15:15:17< Altreus> cool. Do I have to be the person who made the game originally?
20100823 15:15:42< Soliton> if you have a retina scanner attached to your computer, yes.
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20100823 15:16:58< Altreus> oh, I was just wondering about the mechanism behind loading the game later
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20100823 15:17:03< krotop> I suspect someone to be a bot, is it easy to check ?
20100823 15:17:18< Altreus> That's pretty cool. I'm impressed with how well wesnoth works :)
20100823 15:17:27< Soliton> what kind of bot and where?
20100823 15:18:38< Soliton> in the general case there is the turing test.
20100823 15:19:05< krotop> someone entered my game, named knighthotkeys29 and said "hi" after a min "wat r u trying to do", after a min "hi"
20100823 15:19:16< krotop> frankly I'm not sure at all
20100823 15:19:37< krotop> it's just very slightly suspect, I don't know what that test is
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20100823 15:26:04< Soliton> not a bot.
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20100823 15:28:45< Valkier> Anyone here know anything about Macs?
20100823 15:28:49< krotop> ok sorry for the fuss, and thanks for your time
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20100823 15:29:26< Soliton> no worries.
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20100823 16:15:10< pheonton> hii all what is the command to chat ingame? pls?
20100823 16:15:27< MeccaGod> Press m
20100823 16:15:27< Lcawte> Ctrl + M
20100823 16:15:35< Lcawte> or just m.. not sure
20100823 16:15:48< MeccaGod> I think it's just m, haven't played in a while. :p
20100823 16:15:58< pheonton> thanx it was ctrl + m
20100823 16:16:38< pheonton> m aslo works... i was looking for that ages... 
20100823 16:18:13< Valkier> Gah! God help you install something on OSX.
20100823 16:19:14 * Lcawte has a game open, if anyone wants to join.
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20100823 16:19:36< SoftlySplinter> Valkier: OSX? ew
20100823 16:19:44< artisticdude> I've installed plenty of programs on OSX without divine assistance. :P
20100823 16:19:46< Valkier> SoftlySplinter: Yeah...
20100823 16:20:01< SoftlySplinter> I'm currently trying to finish off installing Gentoo
20100823 16:20:02< Valkier> artisticdude: Bestow upon me your bad medicine!!!!
20100823 16:20:13< SoftlySplinter> can't quite get KDE working
20100823 16:20:28< Valkier> So far as I can tell, you download a .dmg file and double click it.
20100823 16:20:37< Valkier> And then I guess drag the icon to the applications folder?
20100823 16:20:46< artisticdude> Yes.
20100823 16:20:57 * SoftlySplinter should hang and talk here more
20100823 16:21:20< Valkier> But now there's one applications folder that shows the firefox icon, and another application folder has firefox but the WRONG icon.
20100823 16:21:34< CookieBite> *sigh*
20100823 16:21:38< CookieBite> this is mac?
20100823 16:21:41< Valkier> mmhmm
20100823 16:21:48< Valkier> I just got it maybe an hour ago.
20100823 16:21:55< Valkier> Trying to discern its secrets!
20100823 16:22:43< artisticdude> Is the actual application in any of the folders?
20100823 16:22:51< Valkier> I guess?
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20100823 16:23:09< Valkier> Shows the icon and lets me open it anyhow.
20100823 16:23:52< artisticdude> I should download firefox at some point... safari sucks at pausing and restarting downloads.
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20100823 16:24:25< SoftlySplinter> I've gone off firefox a touch since the beta of FF4 (iirc)
20100823 16:24:25< artisticdude> Whenever I pause a download, safari decides the download's finished and won't let me restart it. So I have to download it all over again.
20100823 16:24:56< Valkier> Eh, I'll bother ancestral later.
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20100823 16:25:25< artisticdude> I prefer Safari in every other aspect, perhaps because I use safari 99% of the time, on both my Mac and my iPod.
20100823 16:25:59< artisticdude> Dang merman south perspective. >.<
20100823 16:26:04< Valkier> Doh
20100823 16:26:12< Valkier> Oh yeah, why was Timotei looking for me?
20100823 16:26:26< artisticdude> Every time I think I've got it right I test it out in-game, and it's never quite at the right angle.
20100823 16:27:02< SoftlySplinter> artisticdude: south animations are a pain indeed
20100823 16:27:42< Valkier> Oh well, I'm off to fiddle. Later guys.
20100823 16:27:42< artisticdude> It would be better if I had some practice in south animations, but as far as I recall this is the first time I've ever attempted one.
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20100823 16:27:48< SoftlySplinter> which reminds me I should really finish off the Guard sometime soom
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20100823 16:41:26< artisticdude> e_s-iOS: Hi! :)
20100823 16:41:38< e_s-iOS> Hi
20100823 16:41:46< Dragoth_jpn> Hi$B!*(B
20100823 16:41:50< e_s-iOS> Good to see your Internet working
20100823 16:42:05< artisticdude> Yes, finally things are starting to return to normal.
20100823 16:42:08< artisticdude> Thankfully.
20100823 16:42:11< e_s-iOS> Cool.
20100823 16:42:41< e_s-iOS> How's TWFF?
20100823 16:43:02< e_s-iOS> When you want me to put it in the UMC Dev repo, tell me.
20100823 16:43:26< artisticdude> It's almost finished (preliminary balancing). I plan on sending you and C_W a copy before I release it, though. Just to make sure you guys approve.
20100823 16:43:43< e_s-iOS> Cool.
20100823 16:43:53< artisticdude> Because sometimes I can get really tunnel-visioned when I work on stuff like this. >.<
20100823 16:44:32< e_s-iOS> Oh yeah, and great job on this animations! Yo
20100823 16:44:37< artisticdude> Actually, I think the hardest part of TWFF to date has been determining the advancement chart.
20100823 16:44:39< artisticdude> Thanks.
20100823 16:44:46< e_s-iOS> ur're a blue one now.
20100823 16:44:54< e_s-iOS> Yup.
20100823 16:45:10< artisticdude> But now I've got to keep mainline standards.
20100823 16:45:17< artisticdude> Can't afford to be lazy anymore. :P
20100823 16:45:20< e_s-iOS> Ironically, your name on my irc client is green.
20100823 16:45:22< e_s-iOS> :)
20100823 16:45:28< e_s-iOS> That reminds me....
20100823 16:45:31< hylje> twff?
20100823 16:45:36< artisticdude> I'm a mod? :P
20100823 16:45:42< e_s-iOS> The wesnoth forums faction
20100823 16:45:50< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100823 16:46:09< artisticdude> And here I am again, using webchat.
20100823 16:46:29< e_s-iOS> artisticdude cant afford to be laxy anymore. :P
20100823 16:46:33< e_s-iOS> Lazy*
20100823 16:46:35< e_s-iOS> Hm.
20100823 16:46:40< artisticdude> But I just like it better than colloquy, for some reason.
20100823 16:47:06< e_s-iOS> :)
20100823 16:47:25< e_s-iOS> You didn't get it, eh?
20100823 16:47:29< e_s-iOS> Nvm.
20100823 16:47:42< artisticdude> I think I did.
20100823 16:47:50< e_s-iOS> Really?
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20100823 16:48:24< artisticdude> But I think I'll just keep my username now.
20100823 16:48:43< e_s-iOS> Huh?
20100823 16:48:45< artisticdude> (It doesn't look quite so ridiculous when it's in blue.)
20100823 16:49:08< e_s-iOS> Oh.
20100823 16:49:24< e_s-iOS> I'm no
20100823 16:49:35< e_s-iOS> I'm not sure if you get it still.
20100823 16:49:43< artisticdude> Plus, I've grown rather attached to it.
20100823 16:49:48< artisticdude> Get what?
20100823 16:49:52< SoftlySplinter> this irc clients?
20100823 16:49:52< e_s-iOS> Nvm.
20100823 16:49:57< e_s-iOS> :)
20100823 16:50:07< e_s-iOS> I'll save it for another time.
20100823 16:50:18< e_s-iOS> School is starting soon anyways.
20100823 16:50:33< artisticdude> Next week, in my case.
20100823 16:50:40< artisticdude> Probably sooner for you, right?
20100823 16:50:50< e_s-iOS> Actually later.
20100823 16:51:00< artisticdude> Really? Wow.
20100823 16:51:27< artisticdude> And I thought I was starting later than everyone else.
20100823 16:51:34< e_s-iOS> :)
20100823 16:51:48< e_s-iOS> Now note I don't go to a normal high each
20100823 16:51:52< e_s-iOS> School*
20100823 16:51:57< artisticdude> But I'm homeschooled, so I don't get snow-days, or as long of a fall break, so it evens out...
20100823 16:52:00< e_s-iOS> s/each/school/
20100823 16:52:35< e_s-iOS> Ah. In that case I can be more direct.
20100823 16:53:16< e_s-iOS> Hm.
20100823 16:53:51< artisticdude> But now that schools are starting up again, all the good fencers in my fencing club are leaving for college. :(
20100823 16:54:01< e_s-iOS> artisticdude: When you think the Goblin Raider/Marauder would be ready?
20100823 16:54:10< e_s-iOS> Being very, maybe too direct
20100823 16:54:12< e_s-iOS> :P
20100823 16:54:32< e_s-iOS> You really like fencing, don't you? :)
20100823 16:54:32< artisticdude> Oh dang, I completely forgot about that. :0
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20100823 16:54:48< artisticdude> Lots.
20100823 16:54:49< e_s-iOS> :D
20100823 16:55:24< e_s-iOS> Yes, I was hinting at this earlier.
20100823 16:55:24< artisticdude> I'll get the marauder stuff done this week.
20100823 16:55:49< e_s-iOS> Because you said the exact same sentence to me earlier when we were talking about you working on those units.
20100823 16:55:59< e_s-iOS> Cool.
20100823 16:56:01< e_s-iOS> No rush.
20100823 16:56:07< artisticdude> Let's see, what excuses can I come up with?
20100823 16:56:11< artisticdude> None.
20100823 16:56:18< e_s-iOS> It's okay.
20100823 16:56:27< e_s-iOS> I forget things all the time as well.
20100823 16:56:39< artisticdude> Although my internet did start giving me trouble when I first started working on them.
20100823 16:56:49< artisticdude> Maybe that's a plausible excuse?
20100823 16:56:50< e_s-iOS> True, true.
20100823 16:56:53< artisticdude> No.
20100823 16:56:57< artisticdude> Not really.
20100823 16:57:06< artisticdude> Anyway.
20100823 16:57:14< e_s-iOS> Well in a way I'm glad I waited,  now that your spriting has reached mainline now.
20100823 16:57:21< e_s-iOS> :)
20100823 16:57:29< e_s-iOS> They can be even more awesome now.
20100823 16:57:42< artisticdude> But now my new title messes up the balance of TWFF! :O
20100823 16:57:45< artisticdude> :P
20100823 16:58:12< e_s-iOS> I can advance into you if you want
20100823 16:58:18< e_s-iOS> Sort of like 
20100823 16:58:22< artisticdude> Nah, I'm not going to start monkeying with balance for that minor detail. Too much work.
20100823 16:58:30< e_s-iOS> okay.
20100823 16:58:52< artisticdude> Especially considering how much time we've already invested into getting that dumb advancement chart together.
20100823 16:59:02< e_s-iOS> Yeah, those were the days...
20100823 17:00:22< e_s-iOS> Yeah, so when you're done, I'll run wmllint and wmlindent and upload to the UMC proj's svn
20100823 17:00:28< artisticdude> ...when I took three asprins before reading the Faction and Era development thread.
20100823 17:00:44< e_s-iOS> I can walk you through svn if you'd like
20100823 17:00:53< e_s-iOS> I figured it out.
20100823 17:01:04< artisticdude> Sure, that'd be great.
20100823 17:01:14< e_s-iOS> In fact, I'll link you to the webpage where I started.
20100823 17:01:17< e_s-iOS> One sec.
20100823 17:01:30< e_s-iOS> http://www.google.com
20100823 17:01:36< e_s-iOS> Just for my convience :)
20100823 17:02:06< artisticdude> :P
20100823 17:02:38< e_s-iOS> http://www.rubyrobot.org/tutorial/subversion-with-mac-os-x
20100823 17:02:42< e_s-iOS> I believe it's this
20100823 17:02:58< e_s-iOS> You'll need an account on Collabnet
20100823 17:03:12< e_s-iOS> Just link it to a junk email account :)
20100823 17:03:56< e_s-iOS> It's actually not that confusing once you get used to it.
20100823 17:04:06< e_s-iOS> If you have any questions, just ask :)
20100823 17:04:12< artisticdude> K.
20100823 17:04:27 * artisticdude starts doing things...
20100823 17:09:51< e_s-iOS> Yeah, about halfway down it just becomes useless
20100823 17:10:09< e_s-iOS> Since wesnoth svn does their things in a simpler way
20100823 17:12:09< e_s-iOS> Yeah, finishing the first part should suffice.
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20100823 17:12:58< artisticdude> Okay, created an account and I'm downloading  collabnet
20100823 17:13:10 * artisticdude keeps doing things...
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20100823 17:21:15< e_s-iOS> When you're done ping me (i.e. mention me)
20100823 17:21:35< e_s-iOS> Remember, just the commands are enough
20100823 17:21:44< e_s-iOS> No need to bother with the rest of the tutorial.
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20100823 17:23:34< artisticdude> There really should be a simpler way to do this...
20100823 17:24:07< e_s-iOS> But the guy clients suck.
20100823 17:24:15< e_s-iOS> GUI*
20100823 17:24:28< e_s-iOS> And they usually cost a lot.
20100823 17:24:51< e_s-iOS> Trust me, it's just 4 or 5 commands
20100823 17:25:10< e_s-iOS> That's all you need to know, unless you want to be a full -scale developer.
20100823 17:25:34< Soliton> then you need to know 6!
20100823 17:25:52< e_s-iOS> :)
20100823 17:27:55< e_s-iOS> artisticdude: To clarify the last command you need to enter is . .bash_profile
20100823 17:28:15< artisticdude> I did that a while back, I think...
20100823 17:28:28< e_s-iOS> Oh then you're way done.
20100823 17:28:49< artisticdude> But I still have no idea what I'm doing.
20100823 17:28:56< e_s-iOS> Okay
20100823 17:29:09< e_s-iOS> No close the window with cmd w
20100823 17:29:13< e_s-iOS> And open a new one
20100823 17:29:19< e_s-iOS> Terminate every
20100823 17:29:30< e_s-iOS> Thing and open a new page
20100823 17:29:39< artisticdude> Okay.
20100823 17:29:50< artisticdude> New page is up.
20100823 17:30:09< e_s-iOS> I would like to demonstrate with wesnoth's repo
20100823 17:30:22< e_s-iOS> Would you be willing to download the wesnoth repo?
20100823 17:30:30< artisticdude> How large a file is it?
20100823 17:30:33< e_s-iOS> Otherwise I could just tell you the commands
20100823 17:30:43< e_s-iOS> ~290MB
20100823 17:30:50< e_s-iOS> It's large.
20100823 17:31:06< artisticdude> No... that would be pushing my usage limit to the max, I'm afraid.
20100823 17:31:13< e_s-iOS> Okay then.
20100823 17:31:31< artisticdude> Although I could download it tonight.
20100823 17:31:40< e_s-iOS> The basic way to get around terminal is using the 'cd' command
20100823 17:31:53< e_s-iOS> We can do that
20100823 17:32:08< e_s-iOS> But I'll tell you the command now.
20100823 17:32:11< e_s-iOS> B
20100823 17:32:25< e_s-iOS> Basically, you start in your home folder
20100823 17:32:54< e_s-iOS> The ~ represents your home fold
20100823 17:33:00< e_s-iOS> folder*
20100823 17:33:48< e_s-iOS> So for example if you wanted to go to your 'Documents' folder now, you can type 
20100823 17:33:54< e_s-iOS> cd Documents
20100823 17:34:35< artisticdude> Okay...
20100823 17:34:44< e_s-iOS> Okay
20100823 17:35:01< artisticdude> But how would I upload a specific file/folder  to the repository?
20100823 17:35:07< e_s-iOS> There are fancier for getting around with terminal, but that's all for now.
20100823 17:35:23< e_s-iOS> I'll get to that
20100823 17:35:38< e_s-iOS> Basically the only commands for svn you need to know is:
20100823 17:35:46< e_s-iOS> svn checkout
20100823 17:35:53< e_s-iOS> svn diff
20100823 17:35:59< e_s-iOS> svn update
20100823 17:36:03< e_s-iOS> patch
20100823 17:36:15< e_s-iOS> That's all
20100823 17:36:28< e_s-iOS> I'll explain
20100823 17:37:01< e_s-iOS> svn checkout basically imports the repo onto your computer into a specific folder
20100823 17:37:23< e_s-iOS> You only need to do that once
20100823 17:37:45< e_s-iOS> For example, if you wanted to import the wesnoth repo into your home folder it'd be:
20100823 17:38:46< e_s-iOS> One sec, let me find the link
20100823 17:39:51< e_s-iOS> svn checkout http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/trunk wesnoth
20100823 17:40:41< e_s-iOS> That'd download the wesnoth svn
20100823 17:40:59< e_s-iOS> Am I understandable?
20100823 17:41:20< e_s-iOS> artisticdude: ^
20100823 17:41:28< artisticdude> When I click the link, it takes me to a page full of more links
20100823 17:41:40< e_s-iOS> Not that
20100823 17:41:41< artisticdude> Each to part of the Wesnoth repo
20100823 17:41:50< e_s-iOS> That's the web interface
20100823 17:42:01< e_s-iOS> You'd enter that line into terminal
20100823 17:42:09< e_s-iOS> That's if you want to download it though
20100823 17:42:26< e_s-iOS> You said you'd exceed your limit, so we can wait on that
20100823 17:43:14< e_s-iOS> Should I continue or are you confused on something?
20100823 17:43:22< e_s-iOS> artisticdude: ^
20100823 17:43:43< artisticdude> Just double checking: so I enter 'svn checkout http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/trunk wesnoth' into the terminal to download the wesnoth repository?
20100823 17:43:56< e_s-iOS> Yesd
20100823 17:44:29< e_s-iOS> You can find a little more info on that in http://wiki.wesnoth.org/wesnothsvn
20100823 17:45:01< e_s-iOS> Btw you can abbreviate svn checkout to just 'svn co'
20100823 17:45:09< e_s-iOS> Either way it works
20100823 17:45:16< e_s-iOS> Okay
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20100823 17:45:56< e_s-iOS> svn update does what it implies, it updates the copy in your computer to the state the repo is in
20100823 17:46:15< e_s-iOS> For example, if you had downloaded the repo
20100823 17:46:22< e_s-iOS> And a dev changed a file
20100823 17:46:27< e_s-iOS> You'd type
20100823 17:46:38< e_s-iOS> svn update wesnoth
20100823 17:46:50< e_s-iOS> And it will download the changes made
20100823 17:46:58< e_s-iOS> And only the changes made
20100823 17:47:19< e_s-iOS> So it's kind of like a wesnoth updater everyone's been asking for.
20100823 17:47:42< e_s-iOS> artisticdude: Am I understandable?
20100823 17:47:58< artisticdude> But you have to know how to compile in order to play the SVN version.
20100823 17:47:58< SoftlySplinter> e_s-iOS: is there any way of automating that everytime a file is changed (just as a slightly OT question)?
20100823 17:48:33< e_s-iOS> SoftlySplinter: I dunno right now. I'm not an expert of anything. Ask Espreon 
20100823 17:48:38< SoftlySplinter> okay
20100823 17:48:47< e_s-iOS> artisticdude: As for that, I'm trying to figure it out myself
20100823 17:49:01< e_s-iOS> But at least you have the repo
20100823 17:49:16< artisticdude> Yeah. Okay.
20100823 17:49:20< e_s-iOS> I'm using wesnoth as an example, but wesnoth-umc-dev is similar
20100823 17:49:34< e_s-iOS> Okay
20100823 17:49:44< e_s-iOS> Here's what you've been waiting for :)
20100823 17:49:56 * artisticdude pricks his ears up
20100823 17:50:15< e_s-iOS> If you changed some files in the repo and you want them committed, you'll need svn diff first
20100823 17:50:50< e_s-iOS> For example if I changed test1.txt in an example repo
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20100823 17:50:57< e_s-iOS> And I wanted to make a patch
20100823 17:51:01< e_s-iOS> You'd type
20100823 17:51:24< e_s-iOS> svn diff wesnoth > nameofpatch.patch
20100823 17:51:41< e_s-iOS> If you type
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20100823 17:51:49< e_s-iOS> svn diff wesnoth
20100823 17:52:21< e_s-iOS> It'll show you all the differences in your copy of the repo and the actual repo out there
20100823 17:52:32< e_s-iOS> Am I unclear?
20100823 17:52:39< artisticdude> No...
20100823 17:52:46< e_s-iOS> Okay
20100823 17:52:48< e_s-iOS> Onto patch
20100823 17:52:54< e_s-iOS> Oh wait.
20100823 17:52:56< e_s-iOS> One sec.
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20100823 17:55:44< e_s-iOS> Okay back
20100823 17:56:13< e_s-iOS> So with patching the patch file into the repo, keep the patch file in your home directory and type
20100823 17:57:34< e_s-iOS> patch -p0 -i ~/nameofpatch.patch
20100823 17:57:54< e_s-iOS> Then it should patch into the repo
20100823 17:57:55< artisticdude> do you have to include the extension of the file in the patch name?
20100823 17:58:00< e_s-iOS> Yes
20100823 17:58:15< e_s-iOS> That's all you really need to know
20100823 17:58:25< e_s-iOS> So it just those commands
20100823 17:58:30< artisticdude> so 'patch -p0 -i ~/metaldude.png.patch' ?
20100823 17:58:58< artisticdude> For example?
20100823 17:59:08< e_s-iOS> If the patch name is metaldude.png.patch
20100823 17:59:24< e_s-iOS> You'd have to create the patch first with 'svn diff'
20100823 17:59:38< e_s-iOS> For example if you added a new picture to the repo
20100823 17:59:43< e_s-iOS> You'd first type
20100823 18:00:35< e_s-iOS> svn diff [nameofrepo] > metaldude.patch
20100823 18:00:38< e_s-iOS> Then
20100823 18:01:06< e_s-iOS> Make sure the .patch file is in the home folder, then
20100823 18:01:30< e_s-iOS> patch -p0 -i ~/metaldude.patch
20100823 18:01:33< e_s-iOS> Done.
20100823 18:02:00< artisticdude> So let me run through an example scenario, just to make sure I've got everything right...
20100823 18:02:06< e_s-iOS> Okay.
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20100823 18:02:32< artisticdude> I have an image called 'metaldude.png', with .png being the extension, not part of of the name
20100823 18:02:47< artisticdude> I place this image in my home directory
20100823 18:03:01< e_s-iOS> Not into the repo?
20100823 18:03:27< artisticdude> Don't I have to put it in users/username?
20100823 18:03:41< Soliton> the part about svn diff and patch was mostly nonsense.
20100823 18:03:53< e_s-iOS> o.O 
20100823 18:03:56< e_s-iOS> oops.
20100823 18:04:06< e_s-iOS> I got from a website, so.
20100823 18:04:11< e_s-iOS> Got it*
20100823 18:04:18< Soliton> if you have commit access you can upload changes with "svn commit".
20100823 18:04:33< e_s-iOS> Oh cool.
20100823 18:04:46< Soliton> if you don't and want to send someone a patch to review/commit/etc you can use "svn diff" to create it.
20100823 18:05:12< e_s-iOS> Yay, I learned something new today!
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20100823 18:06:43< artisticdude> So... I need to put metaldude.png in users/username before typing 'patch -p0 -i ~/metaldude.png.patch' into the terminal?
20100823 18:06:53< elvish_sovereign> now from the computer
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20100823 18:07:02< Soliton> forget about the patch stuff.
20100823 18:07:07< elvish_sovereign> no, follow Soliton
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20100823 18:07:25< elvish_sovereign> makes things easier
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20100823 18:08:22< elvish_sovereign> let's see
20100823 18:08:26< elvish_sovereign> I just googled it.
20100823 18:08:39< elvish_sovereign> Soliton: tell me if I'm wrong
20100823 18:08:49< Soliton> ok.
20100823 18:09:12< elvish_sovereign> you can commit if you have commit privileges with 
20100823 18:09:16< elvish_sovereign> for example
20100823 18:09:56< elvish_sovereign> svn commit wesnoth trunk/data/core/units/elves-wood/fighter.cfg
20100823 18:10:06< elvish_sovereign> if I wante to make a change to the elvish fighter
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20100823 18:10:17< elvish_sovereign> of course, if i have commit access
20100823 18:10:24< elvish_sovereign> and not that i want to change it
20100823 18:10:54< elvish_sovereign> did I do it right?
20100823 18:11:36< Soliton> you'd "cd wesnoth" (i.e. go to your checkout) and then do "svn commit data/core/units/elves-wood/fighter.cfg".
20100823 18:11:58< Soliton> if it's the only change (check with svn diff) you can just say "svn commit".
20100823 18:12:16< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100823 18:12:22< elvish_sovereign> artisticdude: ^
20100823 18:12:30< elvish_sovereign> so basically
20100823 18:12:37< Soliton> "svn commit" should then bring up an editor to type the commit message.
20100823 18:12:48< elvish_sovereign> cool.
20100823 18:13:11< Soliton> (you can also do "svn commit -m "my commit message")
20100823 18:13:22< elvish_sovereign> artisticdude: so if you put metaldude.png in say data/core/images/units in the wesnoth repo for example
20100823 18:13:31< elvish_sovereign> you can just type
20100823 18:13:52< elvish_sovereign> svn commit -m "my message"
20100823 18:13:57< elvish_sovereign> as Soliton wrote above
20100823 18:15:12< Soliton> there's one more step if it's a new file: "svn add path/to/metaldude.png" prior to "svn commit"
20100823 18:15:26< elvish_sovereign> oh okay
20100823 18:15:57< elvish_sovereign> artisticdude: Did you get it?
20100823 18:16:04< artisticdude> Okay... I think I've got it.
20100823 18:16:37< elvish_sovereign> if you want TWFF to go to the wesnoth-umc-dev trunk
20100823 18:17:00< elvish_sovereign> 1. Create a sourceforge.net account (because the svn is located there)
20100823 18:17:07< elvish_sovereign> 2. Go to #wesnoth-umc-dev
20100823 18:17:40< elvish_sovereign> 3. Contact shadowmaster or Espreon that you want TWFF to go into there
20100823 18:18:12< elvish_sovereign> 4. You'll need to give them your sourceforge.net account name and a copy of the era
20100823 18:18:26< elvish_sovereign> and now you'll have commit access
20100823 18:18:30< elvish_sovereign> :)
20100823 18:18:54< artisticdude> What about you and C_W? How do you get commit access?
20100823 18:19:10< elvish_sovereign> I already have commit access
20100823 18:19:16< elvish_sovereign> my campiagn is in
20100823 18:19:19< elvish_sovereign> campaign*
20100823 18:19:30< artisticdude> Ah. Cool. :)
20100823 18:19:32< elvish_sovereign> C_W told me be probably can't use svn
20100823 18:19:39< elvish_sovereign> s/be/he/
20100823 18:19:53< elvish_sovereign> because he parents won't allow him to
20100823 18:19:54< artisticdude> I was wondering about that too, but I can't say for sure.
20100823 18:20:16< elvish_sovereign> so at least we can manage the svn copy for now
20100823 18:21:02< artisticdude> How is the repository in UMC-SVN set up?
20100823 18:21:23< artisticdude> Or does each add-on have a separate repo?
20100823 18:21:45< elvish_sovereign> go to #wesnoth-umc-dev
20100823 18:22:02< elvish_sovereign> and click on the first URL there
20100823 18:22:46< elvish_sovereign> i believe it is split into three folders
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20100823 21:30:51< Gambit> Surprisingly the new wesnoth terrains actually make it harder to make a nice looking map.
20100823 21:31:04< Gambit> I mean, you look at all the stunning maps in mainline and you know you'll never amount to that.
20100823 21:31:18< Gambit> And balanced + nice looking? fageddaboudit
20100823 21:32:59< hylje> how new
20100823 21:34:08< Gambit> hylje: the 1.9 stuff
20100823 21:34:26< hylje> so stuff i haven't seen
20100823 21:35:10< hylje> all games with custom content will get custom content from multiple levels of skill and dedication
20100823 21:35:36< hylje> so long you can actually make terrible looking maps but there are also ways to make great looking maps, i don't see no problem
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20100823 21:40:53< YannAnth> hello
20100823 21:41:05< YannAnth> May I ask a question on translations?
20100823 21:41:26< Gambit> No. All questions are forbidden except for asking if you may ask a question.
20100823 21:41:29< Gambit> YannAnth: Of course. :D
20100823 21:42:01< YannAnth> Heh. Okay, so I am doing the Greek translation of the campaign 'Liberty' and
20100823 21:42:09< YannAnth> the po file is obviously blank
20100823 21:42:21< YannAnth> what should I 'merge'
20100823 21:42:34< YannAnth> the catalogues from (eng-GB, etc)?
20100823 21:44:19< YannAnth> OK, so I guess no one has any experience with this especially at this time of day...
20100823 21:44:22< Soliton> Ivanovic: ^
20100823 21:44:50< Ivanovic> YannAnth: what do you mean with "the file is blank"?
20100823 21:45:06< YannAnth> All strings are empty
20100823 21:45:15< Ivanovic> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/branches/1.8/po/wesnoth-l/el.po
20100823 21:45:20< YannAnth> There are no strings in the file, I meant
20100823 21:45:22< Ivanovic> looks perfectly normal to me
20100823 21:45:36< YannAnth> well, I did download it...
20100823 21:45:37< Ivanovic> sure, the english files are listed as msgid and you got to fill the msgstr
20100823 21:45:47< YannAnth> yeah okay probs just the program
20100823 21:45:58< YannAnth> thanks
20100823 21:46:02< Ivanovic> i currently have it open in my browser
20100823 21:46:14< Ivanovic> check the file using a plain texteditor to make sure that stuff is there
20100823 21:46:53< YannAnth> yeah I did it with a program a the guy translating it recommended
20100823 21:46:55< YannAnth> 'poedit'
20100823 21:47:06< YannAnth> oh well should be fine with Notepad++
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20100823 23:13:22< rocket161> In the campaign "The rise of Wesnoth", when Haldric approaches the Ka'lian council, will the elvish lords attack him, and will he need to slay the three lords and the lady?
20100823 23:13:36< rocket161> In my installation, the same occurs, which looks a bit strange.
20100823 23:14:49< Soliton> no.
20100823 23:15:16< rocket161> Soliton: I see. Thanks for the confirmation
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