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20100824 02:43:38< dta2> shadowm_laptop, Can I appeal you locking my thread? It accidentally posted it in the fourms, and now I can't delete it. D:
20100824 02:46:07< dta2> Here's the link, if you can't find it.
20100824 02:46:07< dta2> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=31342
20100824 02:46:15< dta2> This is so embarrassing. D:
20100824 02:46:40< shadowm_laptop> dta2: only if you will follow my instructions
20100824 02:46:51< dta2> shadowm_laptop, What are the instructions?
20100824 02:47:01< shadowm_laptop> the ones that I posted when locking the thread
20100824 02:48:06< dta2> shadowm_laptop, Don't hold my thread ransom!
20100824 02:48:22< shadowm_laptop> okay, then I'll not delete it.
20100824 02:48:32< dta2> shadowm_laptop, D:
20100824 02:48:43 * shadowm_laptop goes afk again
20100824 02:48:50< dta2> sNOOOOO!
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20100824 03:32:50< hagebake> is 1.9.0 released yet?
20100824 03:33:05< YB-Betacrow> Yes, it is
20100824 03:33:15< dta2> Hey noy, can you convince shadowm_laptop to unlock my thread, I posted it in the wrong place! http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=31342
20100824 03:33:17< hagebake> oh, didn't see before
20100824 03:34:05< Gambit> Hey dta2, can you try reading what shadowm_laptop said in your thread. You did indeed post it in the wrong place.
20100824 03:34:21< Gambit> The very act of posting it was wrong as per the posting guidelines.
20100824 03:34:58< dta2> Gambit, Yes, and it was an accident posting it there, so I'm asking for the thread to be unlocked so I can remove it.
20100824 03:36:09< Gambit> Ah. Well it's already too late for that I'm afraid.
20100824 03:36:37< dta2> Gambit, Yes, shadowm_laptop is holding it ransom.
20100824 03:36:50< Gambit> Only the last post in a thread can be removed by its author.
20100824 03:36:52< dta2> But, I think noy can ban him, so noy might be able to save me.
20100824 03:36:58< Gambit> Wtf?
20100824 03:36:59< dta2> Gambit, Oh.
20100824 03:37:33< Gambit> Something tells me that n0y will not be banning shad0wmaster.
20100824 03:37:46< dta2> Gambit, Well, it was worth a shot. :)
20100824 03:38:02< Gambit> Well it's just a hunch. I've been wrong in the past. ;)
20100824 03:38:09< dta2> ^.^
20100824 03:38:18< Gambit> (note: shad0wmaster is The Powers That Be™ concerning the forums)
20100824 03:38:45< noy> You're right dta we've made a mistake. You have a new account on the forums and it should be banned.
20100824 03:38:51< dta2> Hrm. That's troubling. Gambit, do you know what I could do to entice shadow to unlock the thread?
20100824 03:39:09< hagebake> :D
20100824 03:39:10< dta2> Oh, hey noy, it's been like 5 days I've been trying to talk to you!
20100824 03:39:42< dta2> noy, you can't solve all of your problems with banning things. You can't ban world hunger per say.
20100824 03:39:50< Gambit> dta2: I would just forget about the thread. Once it's locked it's done.
20100824 03:39:58< Gambit> dta2: I would also suggest that you read Jozreal's post.
20100824 03:39:59< dta2> Gambit, I suppose. D:
20100824 03:40:09< Gambit> Particular the part about being respectful and apologetic :s
20100824 03:40:13< dta2> Gambit, That noy is abrasive?
20100824 03:40:26< noy> Seems to be working with you.
20100824 03:40:29 * Gambit distances himself from situation now...
20100824 03:40:33< dta2> :)
20100824 03:40:36< noy> So, you're going back on my ignore list
20100824 03:40:41< dta2> Gambit, I feel so alone. :S
20100824 03:40:45< noy> and your new account is going to be banned. 
20100824 03:40:48< noy> have a nice day
20100824 03:40:50< dta2> Noy, we can't talk about this perma ban?
20100824 03:40:57< noy> No, its permanent for a reason
20100824 03:40:57< dta2> noy, I can't have a nice day without you!
20100824 03:41:02< dta2> noy, what reason?
20100824 03:42:15< dta2> noy, you can pm me if you don't want to talk about it here. I know it'd be hard to explain in public the absurd reason for perma banning someone.
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20100824 03:42:39< noy> Look, you know precisely why you were banned
20100824 03:42:49< dta2> noy, but, perma banned? D:
20100824 03:43:04< noy> I really don't feel the need to play your juvanile little games
20100824 03:43:08< dta2> noy, I know I hurt your ego and all, but PERMA??
20100824 03:43:38< dta2> noy, Then, we can settle this like men, high noon, at the rusty saloon. Bring your revolver!
20100824 03:43:42< noy> You made this bed by acting the way you did on the mp server. You had warnings and the like, and you are now sleeping in it
20100824 03:44:03< noy> the mp moderators watched you act this way, and now they agree with your ban
20100824 03:44:08< dta2> noy, That was only my second offense, general discussion in the lobby.
20100824 03:44:12< noy> have a nice day. You're now on my ignore list
20100824 03:44:18< dta2> noy, but!
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20100824 03:44:49< Gambit> dta2: Several expressions related to the digging of holes come to mind.
20100824 03:44:54< dta2> noy, You can't have a healthy discussion if you just end it any time you want! How can we solve this gap we have between us?
20100824 03:45:08< Gambit> dta2: You could stop being a smart***
20100824 03:45:24< dta2> Gambit, I'm peacefully protesting!
20100824 03:45:39< Gambit> This isn't a protest against some wrongdoing of the man.
20100824 03:45:43< Gambit> This is you did something wrong.
20100824 03:45:48< Gambit> And you want off for good behaviour.
20100824 03:45:59< Gambit> That kind of requires good behavior first neh?
20100824 03:46:30< elvish_sovereign> oh dear
20100824 03:46:36< elvish_sovereign> what's going on here?
20100824 03:46:38< dta2> Gambit, There was no dialogue, so I couldn't talk to noy. I needed to bring this to the general public, the people of the great nation have a right to know about the injustice!
20100824 03:46:46< elvish_sovereign> what?
20100824 03:46:53< elvish_sovereign> quite the opposite
20100824 03:46:59< elvish_sovereign> this should be kept private, IMO
20100824 03:47:08< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: Yeah... we're probably breaking the rules by discussing it with him.
20100824 03:47:12< dta2> elvish_*, I agree.
20100824 03:47:22< elvish_sovereign> true true
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20100824 03:47:41< dta2> But, the only problem is, noy won't talk to me about this. So, I feel a little out of the loop.
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20100824 03:55:56< AlDeezy> poke.
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20100824 03:58:15< dta2> noy, do you think we could arrange a 'good behavior' program, where, like prison, you can get parole, ect?
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20100824 03:58:58< ancestral> dta2: And randomly there will be a small chance you can break out?
20100824 03:59:28< dta2> ancestral, Well, I'm on the main server right now, but that's besides the point. It's the fact of the ban.
20100824 03:59:31< ancestral> Or you'll be restricted to the "cell" subforum along with the other "criminals"
20100824 03:59:57< ancestral> dta2: Are you still banned?
20100824 04:00:03< dta2> ancestral, Yes. D:
20100824 04:00:07< AlDeezy> interesting... never heard this one before.
20100824 04:00:16< ancestral> Typically how it works is this
20100824 04:00:18< ancestral> Wait
20100824 04:00:21< ancestral> Be patient
20100824 04:00:53< dta2> ancestral, Well, noy has me on this ignore list, so I can't convince him that I'm behaving.
20100824 04:00:53< ancestral> Give it a few days, then send a PM to a forum moderator
20100824 04:01:09< ancestral> dta2: What do you hope to accomplish here?
20100824 04:01:17< dta2> ancestral, I have to talk to a mp moderator for a server ban.
20100824 04:01:25< dta2> ancestral, I just want unbanned. D:
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20100824 04:01:53< AlDeezy> dta, knowing you, I know you deserved it
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20100824 04:02:02< ancestral> dta2: http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=group&g=6651
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20100824 04:02:25< dta2> Yea, when I was first banned, I sent them all a friendly message asking to discuss the matter.
20100824 04:02:42< dta2> My account was then permanently banned for 'harassing a moderator'.
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20100824 04:03:21< dta2> So, I feel a little left out.
20100824 04:06:10< shadowmaster> stop complaining about it here. It won't help.
20100824 04:06:35< shadowmaster> and this isn't a democracy, mind you.
20100824 04:06:47< dta2> shadowm_laptop, D: I feel so dirty.
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20100824 04:09:02< dta2> shadowmaster, Sorry about that. But, I think it'd be a good idea to have a 'good behavior' program, where you can work on behaving. Perhaps you could get a golden, or bronze, star if you did well that day. You could incorporate it into the forum signature. Then, when I have enough stars, I could get a prize, per say, appeal my ban.
20100824 04:09:27< shadowmaster> you really like getting banned, don't you.
20100824 04:09:46< dta2> shadowmaster, It hurts my ego. I'm very sensitive. :)
20100824 04:10:12< dta2> I also feel like an outlaw to the community, which isn't cool.
20100824 04:10:25< shadowmaster> you don't say.
20100824 04:10:31< shadowmaster> have had enough ranting already?
20100824 04:10:54< dta2> shadowmaster, Have you have enough of my ranting for today?
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20100824 04:11:19< YB-Betacrow> So if isn't democracy, does that make it an Oligarchy?
20100824 04:11:21<@shadowmaster> the answer is "yes"
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20100824 04:11:39< shadowmaster> re the "have you had enough" thing
20100824 04:13:52< Zarel> shadowmaster: The term you're looking for is "speculation", btw.
20100824 04:14:22< shadowmaster> speculation where?
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20100824 04:21:56< Zarel> shadowmaster: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=452031#p452031
20100824 04:22:00< Zarel> Fits better than "discussions"
20100824 04:22:24< shadowmaster> no, discussions
20100824 04:22:34< shadowmaster> not speculations, discussions, really.
20100824 04:23:00< shadowmaster> it can easily lead to "you did X" "no i didnt" arguments
20100824 04:23:11< shadowmaster> and variations thereof
20100824 04:23:27< shadowmaster> also people reminding the banned user about the posting guidelines, etc. Doesn't matter anymore anyway :)
20100824 04:24:11< Zarel> Sounds like speculation to me.
20100824 04:24:16< shadowmaster> and yes, some ban threads have turned into fights between two users
20100824 04:24:19< shadowmaster> or mre
20100824 04:24:26< shadowmaster> hence discussion.
20100824 04:26:28< shadowmaster> speculation is a more appropriate term for this thread  http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=31322
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20100824 05:11:32< elvish_sovereign> bye
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20100824 07:33:05< shadowmaster> (yes, you could parse the quit msg to check if it's a netsplit or not, irssi already does that, etc.)
20100824 07:33:08< shadowmaster> (then there are servers that lose connection with all clients but don't get their STS links broken)
20100824 07:33:59< shadowmaster> (which means no netsplits to parse, only "read/write error", "ping timeout" quit messages that could as well come from a regular dead client rather than an unreachable one)
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20100824 08:02:20< Coookie> Shadowmaster are you bored? :L
20100824 08:03:04< Shadowmaster> no
20100824 08:03:10< Shadowmaster> I'm going to sleep.
20100824 08:06:58< Coookie> xD thats good, goodnight and take care? sweet dreams?
20100824 08:07:49< Shadowmaster> thanks
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20100824 09:34:04< Ivanovic> moin
20100824 09:35:05< joo> no, moin!
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20100824 13:01:10< astonsplat> Is anyone able to or willing to help troubleshoot 1.8 on karmic via karmic-backports?
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20100824 13:23:48< Soliton> maybe.
20100824 13:43:05< astonsplat> Yay!
20100824 13:44:21< astonsplat> I followed the guide for backports (googled ubuntu backports). Added the karmic-backports repository and pinned the system to karmic.
20100824 13:45:15< astonsplat> I then installed Wesnoth-1.8 as usual (sudo apt-get install wesnoth-1.8 -t karmic-backports)
20100824 13:45:37< astonsplat> For some reason, attempting to start 1.8, 1.6 starts up.
20100824 13:46:01< astonsplat> After uninstalling 1.6, attempting to start 1.8 does nothing.
20100824 13:46:53< astonsplat> Just had a brainwave, it works off the command line, but not off the menu.
20100824 13:47:00< astonsplat> Apologies for wasting time.
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20100824 13:58:33< Soliton> no worries.
20100824 13:59:55< astonsplat> No idea why it is doing that though.
20100824 13:59:58 * astonsplat shrugs
20100824 14:00:56< astonsplat> Might be Linux Mint related. Seems to work though.
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20100824 14:06:36< Soliton> the menu probably calls "wesnoth" but you need to call wesnoth-1.8 now.
20100824 14:10:14< astonsplat> Yeah. Will need to fiddle with that at some point. Time for lectures now.
20100824 14:10:25< astonsplat> Thanks for being willing to help at least. :)
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20100824 17:55:50< thespaceinvader> wesbot seen kitty_
20100824 17:56:12< thespaceinvader> ...no wesbot?
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20100824 17:56:55< Shadowmaster> wesbseen kitty_
20100824 17:57:00< Shadowmaster> I'm a fool.
20100824 17:57:23< Shadowmaster> thespaceinvader: she rarely comes on IRC.
20100824 17:57:36< Shadowmaster> the last time was like 1 week and a half ago. You might have more luck PMing her on the forums.
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20100824 17:57:45< thespaceinvader> Shadowmaster: i know, I was hoping...
20100824 17:57:48< thespaceinvader> I'll PM her
20100824 17:58:10< thespaceinvader> where's wesbot though?
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20100824 17:58:48< Shadowmaster> probably in the same place as Rhonda.
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20100824 18:03:43< thespaceinvader> ah right
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20100824 19:53:38< [Relic]> Hello :)
20100824 19:53:57< sevis> Greetings.
20100824 19:54:22< [Relic]> :)
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20100824 21:45:50< G-Lo> Hi all, is there a way to change my own username on the forum?
20100824 21:46:15< G-Lo> if there's an admin over here?
20100824 21:46:58< Soliton> Shadowmaster: ^
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20100824 21:53:03< G-Lo> Shadowmaster: can I PM you?
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20100824 23:26:12< not_david> how can i decrease the update time of the lobby? i would like it to update one second later than it does now.
20100824 23:26:35< Gambit> Huh?
20100824 23:27:34< not_david> you know, how often it refreshes the information on the screen. like new games etc
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