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20100825 01:12:48< DreadKnight> texturing wip of a cool creature for #AncientBeast https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/122561/1/Freezing%20Moon/Ancient%20Beast/Hel%20realm/Nightmare/?h=e0b013#gallery:0
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20100825 02:41:34< PeterPorty> Anyone had trouble joining MP Lobby on 1.9.0?
20100825 02:44:52< PeterPorty> Gambit ^
20100825 02:45:40< Gambit> PeterPorty: If you haven't read the release announcement, then there is nothing I can do for you.
20100825 02:45:45< Gambit> Honestly...
20100825 02:46:20< PeterPorty> Who said I didn't?
20100825 02:46:58< PeterPorty> It says it is working!
20100825 02:47:04< PeterPorty> and I can't get it to work...
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20100825 02:48:53< PeterPorty> Gambit !
20100825 02:49:00< PeterPorty> Help me out man!
20100825 02:50:14< Gambit> PeterPorty: hint: read release announcement
20100825 02:50:27< PeterPorty> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31275&start=30
20100825 02:50:30< PeterPorty> this?
20100825 02:50:33< PeterPorty> I did read it.
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20100825 02:51:29< PeterPorty> Thanks Dixie
20100825 02:51:33< PeterPorty> not thanks Gabit.
20100825 02:51:38< PeterPorty> Gambit*
20100825 02:52:29< Gambit> PeterPorty: How about the giant bold section that says "KNOWN ISSUES"
20100825 02:52:31< Gambit> Item number one
20100825 02:52:33< Gambit> It is currently not possible to connect to the official multiplayer server using Join official server (this currently leads to the game crashing). Instead you have to click on Join server and enter server.wesnoth.org:14997 in there. Reported as bug #16502
20100825 02:52:39< PeterPorty> shush
20100825 02:52:44< PeterPorty> Already read that
20100825 02:52:50< PeterPorty> also, you suck.
20100825 02:52:50< Gambit> Dubito
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20100825 03:29:26< Sayahey> hello
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20100825 04:27:14< Shadowmaster> G-Lo: hi
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20100825 09:24:19< Ivanovic> moin
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20100825 12:11:22< Pandarsenic> Yarr.
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20100825 14:10:29< Altreus> How do I load a saved multiplayer game, from the lobby?
20100825 14:10:58< Altreus> Or do I do it from elsewhere?
20100825 14:11:24< Altreus> oh I foudn it!
20100825 14:13:58< Gambit> Cool
20100825 14:14:04< Gambit> Glad we couldn't help.
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20100825 15:12:45< Gambit> Gah I need a way to debug more turns :(
20100825 15:12:56< Gambit> I guess I'll have to start over on the easiest difficulty
20100825 15:16:20< Gambit> Hmm easy coding page does want more debug commands...
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20100825 16:36:34< G-Lo> to fasten the game on windows (wich is sooooo slow since the 1.8 version) do I have to comile it myself, or is it useless?
20100825 16:36:39< G-Lo> *compile
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20100825 16:44:30< joo> "fasten"?
20100825 16:44:37< joo> I don't think that means what you think it means
20100825 16:45:26< joo> I doubt recompiling it would really help. As I understand, the problem is caused by inefficiencies in the way animations are handled.
20100825 16:45:54< joo> What exact version are you running though?
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20100825 17:16:55< thespaceinvader> G-Lo: the only way to speed the game up is to turn off some of the animation features
20100825 17:17:16< thespaceinvader> because we don;t have any hardware acceleration, that's one of the most memory-intensive parts
20100825 17:17:39< Gambit> Maybe someone could do that for next year's GSoC.
20100825 17:17:41< G-Lo> thespaceinvader: it's not the animation that slow the game, it's the AI thinking
20100825 17:17:55< thespaceinvader> ah
20100825 17:17:56< G-Lo> and it's multiple time faster on linux
20100825 17:18:04< G-Lo> even with a lower CPU
20100825 17:18:17< Gambit> memory?
20100825 17:18:18< thespaceinvader> then, i don't know
20100825 17:18:30< G-Lo> 1GB memory, not the problem
20100825 17:18:43< Gambit> Which version of windows though?
20100825 17:18:54< G-Lo> it's on big SX maps that it's the most noticeable
20100825 17:18:58< G-Lo> xp SP3
20100825 17:19:00< thespaceinvader> eh, 1.9.0 on 3GB of ram on XP goes hella slow for me unless I turn off the animated terrains
20100825 17:19:03< Gambit> I'd be inclined to believe that a linux with a crappier processor could beat a windows machine with a decent one.
20100825 17:19:11< G-Lo> +1 Gambit
20100825 17:19:17< G-Lo> it's verified
20100825 17:19:38< G-Lo> i've seen wesnoth way faster on a 1.2Ghz 512GB linux
20100825 17:20:00< Gambit> If only that weren't a typo :(
20100825 17:20:07 * Gambit wishes he had 512gb of memory
20100825 17:20:17< Gambit> Some day...
20100825 17:20:57< Gambit> As for me, I have never noticed these slow downs everyone else has.
20100825 17:21:03< Gambit> The 1.6->1.8 slowdown I got a new computer
20100825 17:21:11< Gambit> The 1.8->1.9 slowdown I switched to linux
20100825 17:21:17< Gambit> So... bully for me :D
20100825 17:21:22< hylje> fix it by throwing more hardware at it
20100825 17:21:33< Gambit> hylje: Nah he just needs to switch to 220
20100825 17:21:47< Gambit> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimTaylorTechnology
20100825 17:21:58< joo> I wonder if it would be slower if I ran it on Linux in a VM
20100825 17:22:16< joo> From Windows
20100825 17:22:39< G-Lo> joo: that may be a good test
20100825 17:22:52 * Gambit goes back to enjoying his instant AI kicking his butt in dead water
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20100825 17:23:38 * Gambit also enjoys his nonlaggy animated water.
20100825 17:23:40 * Gambit brags some moar
20100825 17:25:13< Gambit> G-Lo: You never did answer which version you were using
20100825 17:25:22< Gambit> G-Lo: Try the RCA ai
20100825 17:25:26< Gambit> Maybe it'll be faster
20100825 17:25:27< G-Lo> [17:18:57] <G-Lo> xp SP3
20100825 17:25:32< Gambit> Version of wesnoth
20100825 17:25:36< G-Lo> 1.8.3
20100825 17:25:54< G-Lo> it's hapenning since the 1.8.x
20100825 17:26:18< G-Lo> and there's a lot of maps where you can't tune the AI
20100825 17:26:35< Gambit> I think the WML lets you pick the AI algorithm
20100825 17:26:51< Gambit> It won't help when you're not hosting though :(
20100825 17:27:05< G-Lo> may this lower down to loading time of some maps from 10-15 minutes?
20100825 17:27:16< G-Lo> -to +the
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20100825 17:28:43< Gambit> If it helps in any way maybe you could request that some of your favorite add-ons' authors switch to RCA AI
20100825 17:28:45< Gambit> It's smarter anyways
20100825 17:28:49< G-Lo> even the character selection screen is slow on some maps
20100825 17:29:02< Gambit> I don't know if it's faster or not though
20100825 17:29:08< G-Lo> i'll try
20100825 17:30:21< G-Lo> but i don't belive in miracles
20100825 17:30:33< G-Lo> +e
20100825 17:35:09 * artisticdude can't decide to wait until 1.9.1 for a more stable version, or to just go and download 1.9.0 regardless
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20100825 17:41:44< Gambit> artisticdude: SVN
20100825 17:42:10< artisticdude> But I lack the skills to compile. :(
20100825 17:45:54< Gambit> On mac?
20100825 17:46:45< Gambit> Hmm those instructions do look more complicated.
20100825 17:47:24< artisticdude> I've tried to figure it out several times, but I lack the technical know-how to comprehend the process.
20100825 17:47:24< Gambit> On linux, you just have to get the dependencies once
20100825 17:47:27< Gambit> Then set it up
20100825 17:47:31< Gambit> Then svn update
20100825 17:47:33< Gambit> then scons
20100825 17:50:29< Gambit> artisticdude: Which step did you make it to?
20100825 17:50:47< artisticdude> I didn't.
20100825 17:51:00< artisticdude> I'm hopeless when it comes to that sort of stuff.
20100825 17:51:25< artisticdude> I never even managed to figure out how Xcode works.
20100825 17:52:13< artisticdude> Heck, I didn't even know how SVN worked until elvish_sovereign gave me a crash course over IRC the other day.
20100825 17:53:33 * artisticdude really, really needs to learn C++, compiling, and all the other coding/computery things he's never done
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20100825 18:17:04< artisticdude> I really need to create an awesome new avatar for myself, like Zero's.
20100825 18:17:30< artisticdude> The sci-fi dude is cool, but not awesome.
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20100825 18:19:27< Gambit> artisticdude: Speaking of which, I'd like to steal that >:]
20100825 18:19:49< artisticdude> Sure thing.
20100825 18:20:12< artisticdude> Although I should mention Dragonchampion's already got it in TWoT. >>
20100825 18:21:19< artisticdude> (And I've had a request from him asking me to redo the entire faction)
20100825 18:22:53< artisticdude> I've now gotten 3 requests and 2 'reminders' of previous projects.
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20100825 19:42:55< Woodmouse> the water... is really animated? O.O
20100825 19:44:29< Woodmouse> btw... is there any way to stop the editor from like... sliding? You know, with the mouse.
20100825 19:45:04< Woodmouse> so it'd be on its place and wouldn't move with the mouse.
20100825 19:45:11< Woodmouse> only move with the keyboard
20100825 19:45:19< Woodmouse> because that'd make making maps a lot easier
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20100825 19:55:09< Ivanovic> Woodmouse: the setting that is effective for the game (advanced preference -> scroll on boarder (or something like this) should work in the editor, too
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20100825 19:55:19< Ivanovic> if it does not: submit a feature request at bugs.wesnoth.org
20100825 19:55:59< Woodmouse> hmm
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20100825 19:57:03< Woodmouse> thanks! It does work :)
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20100825 21:13:02< jeremias_> hi
20100825 21:13:41< jeremias_> i have a question. i download an addon, but i can't find it in the game? how can i start the addon
20100825 21:14:02< Woodmouse> I have to ask, what's the unit naming thing now? I mean, in 1.9. The "description" or "name", or...?
20100825 21:14:39< zookeeper> jeremias_, you don't "start" add-ons. you can play MP scenarios or campaigns, add-ons are listed in those places just like the regular ones.
20100825 21:14:41< Woodmouse> jeremias_: if it's a campaign, it's in the "campaigns", if it's something else, it's in the "multiplayer"
20100825 21:14:55< Woodmouse> aaaaagggghhhh you're faster D:
20100825 21:15:03< Woodmouse> ad different
20100825 21:15:05< Woodmouse> lol
20100825 21:15:07< Woodmouse> *and
20100825 21:15:17< jeremias_> :D thankyou
20100825 21:15:22< jeremias_> i will try it
20100825 21:15:58< Woodmouse> is it "name" only?
20100825 21:16:11< Woodmouse> I mean, 1.8 had that, if I remember correctly?
20100825 21:16:25< Woodmouse> or "description" and "name"?
20100825 21:16:43< Soliton> it'd probably help if you formed one coherent question.
20100825 21:16:59< Woodmouse> well.. the naming of units in a scenario
20100825 21:18:03< zookeeper> gee, i wonder how you could possibly find out.
20100825 21:18:04< Ivanovic> Woodmouse: units have several things
20100825 21:18:12< Ivanovic> there is an ID, there is a name, ...
20100825 21:18:21< Ivanovic> i'd check the wml reference for information about this
20100825 21:18:27< Woodmouse> hmmmm
20100825 21:19:21< jeremias_> runs great... cool....
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20100825 21:21:30< Woodmouse> oh, so it's "id" and "name"
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20100825 22:03:24< Woodmouse> ugh I get a weird error again... of the campaign I'm making...
20100825 22:03:42< Woodmouse> http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss6/Woodmouse-/errorwesnoth.jpg
20100825 22:03:54< Woodmouse> http://pastebin.org/768640
20100825 22:04:02< Woodmouse> ^there's the main.cfg^
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20100825 22:04:55< Woodmouse> can someone help?
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20100825 22:05:23< Shadowmaster> the two paths in that error message are not similar
20100825 22:05:30< Shadowmaster> (hint)
20100825 22:05:32< Woodmouse> hmmm
20100825 22:07:03< Woodmouse> when both are the full path, I get the same error...
20100825 22:07:16< Woodmouse> I'll try with both only have the ~add-ons thingy then
20100825 22:07:28< Shadowmaster> you do realize there's no such a thing like userdata/
20100825 22:07:39< Woodmouse> ...?
20100825 22:07:42< Woodmouse> well, I have that
20100825 22:08:02< Shadowmaster> that doesn't exist as far as the WML preprocessor is conccerned
20100825 22:08:07< Woodmouse> ohhhh
20100825 22:08:12< Shadowmaster> and all your mentions o fuserdata/ should go
20100825 22:08:19< Shadowmaster> that includes the campaign's image and the binary path specs
20100825 22:08:30< Woodmouse> oh
20100825 22:09:32< Woodmouse> hmm, now I get an invalid closing tag error :S
20100825 22:10:22< Woodmouse> ohhh, oops
20100825 22:10:24< artisticdude> The error message gives you enough information to fix that.
20100825 22:10:40< Woodmouse> there was no ] in [/unit]
20100825 22:10:42< Woodmouse> :D
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20100825 22:11:45< Woodmouse> ugh there's more closing tag problems D:
20100825 22:11:47< artisticdude> Sigh.
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20100825 22:12:27< Woodmouse> ugh I seem to forget half of them
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20100825 22:15:24< Woodmouse> IT WORKS NOW :D
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20100825 22:16:47-!- Shadowmaster changed the topic of #wesnoth to: Wesnoth User Channel | http://www.wesnoth.org/ | Social channel: #wesnoth-offtopic | Latest stable version: 1.8.4 | Latest development version: 1.9.0 | Public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100825 22:17:25< Gambit> Woodmouse: come to #wesnoth-offtopic :D
20100825 22:17:33< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: poke ^^^
20100825 22:17:38< Gambit> Zarel: ^^^
20100825 22:18:35< Gambit> Hulavuta, Elvish_Pillage2, sacho poke ^^^
20100825 22:18:47< Elvish_Pillage2> hmm?
20100825 22:19:17< Gambit> #wesnoth-offtopic
20100825 22:22:29< Hulavuta>  WHAT
20100825 22:25:20-!- mode/#wesnoth [-q *!*@74.206.62.26] by ChanServ
20100825 22:25:39< Hulavuta> what
20100825 22:25:44< Hulavuta> nvm
20100825 22:25:47 * VurtualRuler98 gasps
20100825 22:25:58< Hulavuta> You're alive!
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20100825 23:11:27< Zarel> Shadowmaster: Capitalization? :O
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20100825 23:15:05< Shadowmaster> what?
20100825 23:16:08< Gambit> Shadowmaster
20100825 23:16:39< Shadowmaster> yeah, what about it?
20100825 23:17:15< Gambit> It's an anomaly. We like anomalies.
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20100825 23:19:33< Hulavuta> Yeah
20100825 23:19:35< Hulavuta> We were wondering
20100825 23:19:37< Hulavuta> why...
20100825 23:19:54< Hulavuta> It just doesn't look right, maybe the M should be capital too
20100825 23:19:57< Hulavuta> Shadow Master
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20100825 23:39:51< shadowm_laptop> Hulavuta: that was my old username
20100825 23:41:40< Gambit> fortunes confirms this
20100825 23:42:08< Gambit> The file maintained by shadowm_laptop confirms shadowm_laptop's statement
20100825 23:42:18< Gambit> Hmmm
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