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20100828 10:07:43 * Azrathud is sprung upon.
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20100828 10:19:00< Ivanovic> moin
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20100828 10:39:35< Azrathud> moin moin
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20100828 14:02:40< Dragoth_jpn> $B$3$s$P$s$O!A(B
20100828 14:06:11< joo> Indeed.
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20100828 16:20:06< santippe> ehi..
20100828 16:20:09< santippe> simple question
20100828 16:20:54< santippe> it's possible to create a side in the start event tag?
20100828 16:21:05< santippe> witohut declared yet?
20100828 16:21:09< Gambit> no :(
20100828 16:22:00< santippe> mmm i'm trying to create a side for each village into a generated scenario
20100828 16:22:52< santippe> the one solution i will see is to declared various side and after and there will be unused sides..
20100828 16:28:52< zookeeper> why do you story-wise need a lot of village(r)s to be on separate sides anyway?
20100828 16:29:39< zookeeper> and yes, if you need a lot of sides then you just need to define a lot of sides (you can go over 9) and then just give each side units whenever you want
20100828 16:29:56< santippe> jep
20100828 16:29:58< santippe> u see
20100828 16:30:13< santippe> i can create a persistent world with it
20100828 16:30:49< santippe> it will fire random event for creation of unit into or near the village
20100828 16:32:12< santippe> every side will have opportunity to rise against each other
20100828 16:33:36< santippe> the strategy will be to be wise to use a type of unit against other and to know when combat or leave other in war
20100828 16:34:36< Gambit> You can
20100828 16:34:42< Gambit> 't go over 9 in MP however
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20100828 16:35:20< Gambit> For some silly reason or another.
20100828 16:35:38< santippe> max 9 human players i know but doesn't matter
20100828 16:38:17< Gambit> Well last I checked even leaderless AI players count in the server.
20100828 16:38:37< Gambit> *leaderless AI sides
20100828 16:39:35< santippe> wich means? that over 9 ai players in mp will be problems?
20100828 16:40:01< Gambit> "This server does not support games with over 9 sides"
20100828 16:40:07< Gambit> Or something like that was the error I got.
20100828 16:40:20< Gambit> 8 humans, and 3 leaderless AI sides.
20100828 16:40:33< santippe> mmm
20100828 16:40:51< santippe> even in local game?
20100828 16:41:03< Gambit> No. That's only on the official MP server.
20100828 16:41:09< santippe> ah ok
20100828 16:41:34< Gambit> You could host your own server, or play locally without problems.
20100828 16:42:21< Gambit> Or at least I think you could host your own server. I know local play works.
20100828 16:42:51< santippe> ok
20100828 16:43:44< santippe> gambit what mod do u made recently?
20100828 16:44:32< Gambit> Made, and finished enough for it to be publishable? Just Breaking Ground.
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20100828 16:44:49< Gambit> At the moment I'm working on a persistent RPG.
20100828 16:44:53< santippe> mmm
20100828 16:44:55< santippe> good
20100828 16:45:18< santippe> i've build some mod for neverwinter nights
20100828 16:45:22< santippe> I & II
20100828 16:45:25< Gambit> I just finally got it to stop crashing. :D
20100828 16:45:39< Gambit> Never played that.
20100828 16:45:45< santippe> for I i've build a lot of script for random lot
20100828 16:46:00< santippe> the II has a lot of bugs
20100828 16:46:35< santippe> never played to neverwinter nights?
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20100828 16:46:55< Gambit> Nope.
20100828 16:47:13< santippe> that's about 7 years ago
20100828 16:47:36< santippe> too young in that time?
20100828 16:48:07< Gambit> Uh... yes actually.
20100828 16:48:20< Gambit> But I've never even heard of it, so even if I had been old enough...
20100828 16:48:38< Gambit> Eww and it's a bioware mumorpiga.
20100828 16:49:36< santippe> ?
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20100828 18:12:15< elvish_sovereign> crimson_penguin: when I try to start wesnoth from terminal, I get this error: /Applications/games/wesnoth.app/contents/macos/wesnoth ; exit;
20100828 18:12:15< elvish_sovereign> archduke:~ [username]$ /Applications/games/wesnoth.app/contents/macos/wesnoth ; exit;
20100828 18:12:34< elvish_sovereign> (archduke being the name of my computer)
20100828 18:12:40< elvish_sovereign> and wesnoth never opens
20100828 18:12:41< crimson_penguin> I don't see an error
20100828 18:12:57< crimson_penguin> why is that all lower-case though?
20100828 18:13:07< elvish_sovereign> dunno
20100828 18:13:19< elvish_sovereign> I usually go through terminal in lowercase
20100828 18:13:22< crimson_penguin> should be Wesnoth.app/Contents/MacOS/Wesnoth
20100828 18:13:26< elvish_sovereign> yeah
20100828 18:14:40< elvish_sovereign> I re-cd'ed into the directory with the right cases
20100828 18:14:44< elvish_sovereign> still not opening
20100828 18:14:49< elvish_sovereign> Wesnoth is not already open, so
20100828 18:15:17< crimson_penguin> does it run normally?
20100828 18:15:51< elvish_sovereign> yup
20100828 18:15:58< elvish_sovereign> i mean
20100828 18:16:03< elvish_sovereign> as in since yesterday
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20100828 18:17:53< crimson_penguin> well it works fine for me, browsing to that location and double-clicking on it
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20100828 18:19:48< elvish_sovereign> i tried that too
20100828 18:19:54< elvish_sovereign> doesn't work
20100828 18:20:13< elvish_sovereign> I'm trying to access the stderr to debug my campaign
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20100828 18:37:47< crimson_penguin> elvish_sovereign: ok, so what happens when you cd there and run ./Wesnoth?
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20100828 18:38:45< elvish_sovereign> nothing
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20100828 18:42:49< crimson_penguin> what do you mean "nothing"?
20100828 18:43:00< elvish_sovereign> like
20100828 18:43:11< elvish_sovereign> terminal doesn't write anything
20100828 18:43:16< elvish_sovereign> wesnoth doesn't start
20100828 18:43:20< elvish_sovereign> literally, nothing
20100828 18:43:21< crimson_penguin> you pressed enter, I presume?
20100828 18:43:34< elvish_sovereign> ./wesnoth <enter>
20100828 18:43:42< crimson_penguin> and it made a new line, but it didn't print archduke:~ [username]$ again?
20100828 18:43:51< elvish_sovereign> yup
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20100828 18:44:10< crimson_penguin> that's ridiculous
20100828 18:44:18< crimson_penguin> open a new terminal window and run top
20100828 18:44:24< elvish_sovereign> top?
20100828 18:44:38< crimson_penguin> yeah, just top
20100828 18:44:50< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100828 18:44:51< crimson_penguin> and see if Wesnoth is at the top of the list there
20100828 18:45:01< elvish_sovereign> yup
20100828 18:45:03< elvish_sovereign> 0.0 CPU
20100828 18:45:10< crimson_penguin> so it is running, it's just not doing anything
20100828 18:45:24< crimson_penguin> you can press q to get out of top
20100828 18:45:33< elvish_sovereign> hm.
20100828 18:45:44< elvish_sovereign> might you know the reason why this happened?
20100828 18:45:48< crimson_penguin> what OS are you on?
20100828 18:45:52< elvish_sovereign> 10.6.3
20100828 18:46:00< elvish_sovereign> Mac
20100828 18:46:05< elvish_sovereign> Wesnoth 1.8.4
20100828 18:46:06< crimson_penguin> I'm on 10.6.4, but that shouldn't matter
20100828 18:46:10< elvish_sovereign> yeah
20100828 18:46:19< elvish_sovereign> It worked yesterday 
20100828 18:47:36< crimson_penguin> maybe try restarting? I don't know, this is really strange
20100828 18:47:43< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100828 18:47:46< elvish_sovereign> later, then
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20100828 20:23:04< ushiu> will future releases follow 1.8 drakes' kinda animation?
20100828 20:24:01< Gambit> One can only hope.
20100828 20:24:22< Gambit> Depends on what the artists focus on.
20100828 20:24:25< Gambit> They're all volunteers.
20100828 20:29:01< ushiu> i'm playing first time against 1.8 drakes
20100828 20:29:11< ushiu> i can smell the passion
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20100828 22:59:51< elvish_sovereign> anyone knows what this means in wmllint?
20100828 22:59:51< elvish_sovereign> wmllint: internal error on /Users/Andrew/library/application support/wesnoth_1.8/data/add-ons/promised_land/utils/pl-scenario-utils.cfg
20100828 22:59:51< elvish_sovereign> Traceback (most recent call last):
20100828 22:59:51< elvish_sovereign>   File "wmllint", line 2193, in <module>
20100828 22:59:51< elvish_sovereign>     changed = translator(fn, [], texttransform)
20100828 22:59:51< elvish_sovereign>   File "wmllint", line 1788, in translator
20100828 22:59:51< elvish_sovereign>     newdata = global_sanity_check(filename, newdata)
20100828 22:59:52< elvish_sovereign>   File "wmllint", line 978, in global_sanity_check
20100828 22:59:52< elvish_sovereign>     ifdef_stack.append(lines[i].strip().split()[1])
20100828 22:59:53< elvish_sovereign> IndexError: list index out of range
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20100828 23:10:50< santippe> mmm
20100828 23:11:42< santippe> how to use more than 9 side in a random map generator script?
20100828 23:13:33< hylje> elvish_sovereign: sounds like there's mismatched #ifdefs that mess up with the lint's state
20100828 23:13:55< hylje> particularly one #ifdef definition more
20100828 23:14:27< hylje> as the iteration breaks at the action of accessing something beyond the source file's line count
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20100828 23:43:13< santippe> ...
20100828 23:43:16< santippe> no way?
20100828 23:46:21< zookeeper> santippe, i guess you just define more than 9 sides
20100828 23:46:34< zookeeper> is there a problem with that?
20100828 23:47:02< santippe> no just typed player=10 into the generator
20100828 23:47:21< santippe> and it isn't a problem of space...
20100828 23:50:43< zookeeper> oh, you mean the generator in the map editor
20100828 23:51:02< zookeeper> looks like the slider is capped to 9 so no, looks like you can't do it
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20100828 23:52:14< santippe> i've set it into script but it doesn't work
20100828 23:52:39< santippe> more than 9 doesn't generate maps
20100828 23:56:11< VurtualRuler98> Part of me wonders why, part of me suggests "just draw another team in", and part of me wants to try to fix this. It's like an FPRPG. :(
20100828 23:56:41< VurtualRuler98> You could try finding some external generator for 10+ players.
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20100828 23:57:58< santippe> !!!
20100828 23:59:37< VurtualRuler98> The real question is, why are you trying to make a 10player map? Is it because of some mod's technical use of 10 player spawns, or are you just trying to make a game that's way too big?
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