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20100906 00:52:44< CIA-35> ai0867 * r46284 /branches/fendrin_pathfind/ (6357 files in 339 dirs): Merge trunk up to r46255
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20100906 02:47:52< CIA-35> espreon * r46286 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (14 files in 2 dirs): Smote the old animations of the Desert Sentinel and the Desert Prowler.
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20100906 04:57:41-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 155 bugs, 296 feature requests, 17 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20100906 05:26:31< un214> I wonder how many people would believe me if I told them I have a text mode wesnoth client.
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20100906 05:28:01< shadowmaster> probably all those who have tried running wesnoth on a text terminal using SDL's libcaca or aalib backends
20100906 05:28:30< un214> probably wouldn't work w/o a mouse
20100906 05:30:19< shadowmaster> maybe there's a keyboard driver for gpm
20100906 05:30:39< shadowmaster> anyway it depends on what you are calling "client"
20100906 05:47:00< un214> well there's that guy who made a lobby chat client
20100906 05:48:08< shadowmaster> the lobby bot is one too.
20100906 05:48:22< shadowmaster> yes, in both directions, it can write to the lobby as well
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20100906 06:46:30-!- Topic set by wesbot [~wesbot@wesnoth/bot/wesbot] [Mon Sep  6 04:57:41 2010]
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20100906 06:46:30-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-dev: Total of 40 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 40 normal]
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20100906 09:30:22 * Espreon kicks CIA-35 
20100906 09:30:23< CIA-35> ow
20100906 09:32:12 * wesbot kicks Espreon
20100906 09:32:43< Espreon> ...
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20100906 09:44:16< CIA-35> espreon * r46288 /trunk/ (86 files in 5 dirs): Converted apostrophes/quotes in HttT; work by Simons Mith.
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20100906 09:53:28< CIA-35> espreon * r46289 /trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/ (17 files in 2 dirs): Eliminated curly apostrophes from things such as ids.
20100906 09:59:23< CIA-35> espreon * r46290 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (16 files in 2 dirs): Standardized scenario ids in UtBS.
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20100906 10:00:56< CIA-35> espreon * r46291 /trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/scenarios/20a_North_Elves.cfg: Eliminated more curly apostrophes from ids.
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20100906 10:07:55< Ivanovic> Espreon: not good
20100906 10:08:04< Ivanovic> why have you removed files from branches/1.8?
20100906 10:08:07< Ivanovic> image files that is
20100906 10:08:25< Ivanovic> moin
20100906 10:09:09< Espreon> Ivanovic: Uh, well, that animation... was embarrasing.
20100906 10:09:21< Ivanovic> remove the animation: fine
20100906 10:09:26< Ivanovic> remove the images used in it: not fine
20100906 10:09:43< Espreon> Tch, fine.
20100906 10:16:14< Rhonda> Espreon: Well, it is a change in a stable branch that might have very deep impact on packaging work, and potential other things.
20100906 10:16:22< CIA-35> espreon * r46292 /branches/1.8/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/images/units/elves-desert/ (12 files): Reverted part of r46287.
20100906 10:16:42< Espreon> I see...
20100906 10:16:49< Espreon> Sigh....
20100906 10:17:37 * zookeeper blinks
20100906 10:17:46< zookeeper> very deep impact on packaging work for example in what way?
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20100906 10:20:34< Espreon> Well, goodnight people.
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20100906 13:49:35< quetzal> hi
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20100906 13:51:34< Crab_> hi, quetzal
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20100906 13:51:50< quetzal> :)
20100906 13:52:03< quetzal> i have a question
20100906 13:52:42< quetzal> about that random shuffle of players sides you have been working on
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20100906 13:53:59< quetzal> according to gna
20100906 13:54:13< quetzal> i was trying to do this patch by myself
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20100906 13:56:31< quetzal> but i encountered problems with too early initialization of scenario i guess
20100906 13:56:44< quetzal> hard to say as i dont know c++ :)
20100906 13:57:03< quetzal> but i have shuffling of sides and gui stuff done
20100906 13:57:18< quetzal> wonder if somebody could help :)
20100906 13:57:57< Crab_> quetzal: sure, you can submit it to patches.wesnoth.org as a patch, noting that it's "incomplete" in the description, and we will be able to take a look at it
20100906 13:58:25< Crab_> quetzal: or you can try to pastebin your code and we'll see if there's an easy solution for those problems you've mentioned
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20100906 14:02:26< quetzal> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/LsWU61SJ
20100906 14:02:59< quetzal> thats the stuff i added to multiplayer_connect.cpp starting at 1187
20100906 14:04:02< quetzal> the problem is
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20100906 14:05:34< quetzal> that switching players in array doesnt affect some wml stuff like for example preflagged villages as for example p1 have preflaged village on p2 side
20100906 14:05:49< quetzal> as orginally p2 was p1
20100906 14:06:20< quetzal> and i have no idea how to change side attribute in config instance
20100906 14:06:48< quetzal> wonder if this code is good enough for a patch also
20100906 14:08:00< Gambit> A patch is the best way to submit code for review (once it's finished) because it can sit there for a while. Your pastebin will probably (read: definitely) get lost.
20100906 14:09:25< quetzal> yes but it has serious flaw right now :(
20100906 14:10:46< quetzal> and i dont understand (cant figure out hows config related to sides vector)
20100906 14:19:27< quetzal> it looks like changing order in sides vecotr causes wrong assigment of sides form config
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20100906 15:21:10< CIA-35> ai0867 * r46293 /branches/fendrin_pathfind/src/pathfind/teleport.cpp: Fix compilation
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20100906 15:37:20< anonymissimus> Gambit: "The_Empire_Builder" on the 1.9 server, isn't that yours ? Shouldn't it have some unit cfgs in units/ ? :P
20100906 15:37:46< Gambit> It will
20100906 15:37:48< Gambit> Some day...
20100906 15:38:07< Gambit> I should probably take that down. I don't see myself doing much WML until the summer again.
20100906 15:38:31< Gambit> Except for DW which I took responsibility for, so I'll consider it homework or something.
20100906 15:39:48< anonymissimus> hm ok so did it upload correctly ?
20100906 15:40:17< anonymissimus> (that's the axtual question)
20100906 15:40:25< anonymissimus> actual
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20100906 15:57:16< Gambit> Yes it uploaded correctly.
20100906 15:57:22< Gambit> There just really aren't any units yet.
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20100906 16:49:46< Ivanovic> what do you think, it this user a spambot? http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=454933#p454933
20100906 16:53:01< Gambit> I don't think so.
20100906 16:53:15< Gambit> The site it links to isn't selling a product.
20100906 16:53:54< Gambit> It took three minutes for him to type that.
20100906 16:54:04< Gambit> I guess that's reasonable.
20100906 16:54:54< Gambit> But if it's not a spambot, then it is a necromancer.
20100906 16:55:20< zookeeper> looks like a spambot to me
20100906 16:55:50< zookeeper> first post, a completely generic post, links to an external site
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20100906 16:57:48< Unnheulu> Heya PeterPorty
20100906 16:58:01< Unnheulu> zookeeper, iirc my first post was linking to libregamewiki
20100906 16:58:09< PeterPorty> Hi Un! Long time without seeing you.
20100906 16:58:13< Unnheulu> If not my first, one of my first
20100906 16:58:28< Unnheulu> PeterPorty, I've been in Austria ;) No internet
20100906 16:58:37< PeterPorty> ahhh... 
20100906 16:58:39< PeterPorty> cool
20100906 17:01:34< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: Do you still want pofix.py to automatically utilize multiple cpu cores?
20100906 17:01:46< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: would be nice to have
20100906 17:01:58< Ivanovic> currently i use it via xargs stuff, but a "native" solution is IMO preferable
20100906 17:03:49< loonycyborg> I've managed to parallelize it with  the multiprocessing module, but that'll require at least python version 2.6
20100906 17:04:00< Ivanovic> IMO no problem
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20100906 17:04:22< Ivanovic> got python 2.6.5 over here
20100906 17:04:23< Ivanovic> ;)
20100906 17:07:12< loonycyborg> Also, I don't like the way it reacts to keyboard interrupt. The jobs are interrupted alright, but the script itself hangs requiring me to send a SIGTERM to put it out of misery.
20100906 17:07:25< loonycyborg> Maybe that's fixed in later python versions..
20100906 17:16:57< Soliton> can the threading support be made optional?
20100906 17:17:13< Soliton> sounds like that'd be a good idea.
20100906 17:18:56< loonycyborg> I can make it catch ImportError and cope if multiprocessing module is absent.
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20100906 17:29:35< zookeeper> Gambit, gonna commit celadon and gwabbo?
20100906 17:30:22< Gambit> zookeeper: I was told to wait until others had a chance to critique it
20100906 17:30:44< Gambit> Or rather I was told that that's normally how kitty likes to do things
20100906 17:31:09< Gambit> Though I guess LordBob had no complaints...
20100906 17:31:22< zookeeper> okay
20100906 17:32:30< Soliton> loonycyborg: i thought more like a command line option, maybe making single threaded the default.
20100906 17:35:01< loonycyborg> Soliton: That'll require me to mess with getopt/optparse module too. I'd rather avoid it if possible.. At least for now.
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20100906 18:35:34< CIA-35> loonycyborg * r46294 /trunk/utils/pofix.py: Fix bug #16526: add support for utilizing multiple cpu cores to pofix.py
20100906 18:35:53< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: ^
20100906 18:38:15< anonymissimus> btw loony big thanks for your fix in wmltools.py that made wmlsope work better on win
20100906 18:38:32< anonymissimus> (quite late)
20100906 18:39:02< loonycyborg> np
20100906 18:39:50< loonycyborg> It's good to know that someone actually uses wmlscope on windows and my work wasn't in vain :P
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20100906 18:49:37< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: thanks for the change, seems to work lovely
20100906 18:50:27< loonycyborg> np
20100906 18:50:42< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: I'm not the only one, and since Elvish_Hunter is promoting the python tools in the forums there will be more, hopefully
20100906 18:51:50< anonymissimus> I'm quite fond of them too and want to try working on their bugs
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20100906 19:09:52< silene> anonymissimus: i have no clue about python (whether on windows or not), but i would try replacing "file(fn)" at data/tools/wesnoth/campaignserver_client.py:357 by "open(fn, 'rb')"
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20100906 19:12:50< anonymissimus> hm ok
20100906 19:13:07< anonymissimus> you motivate me to try it nevertheless :P
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20100906 19:13:42< anonymissimus> need to set up my python dev environment first however
20100906 19:14:27< boucman> hey all
20100906 19:15:49< anonymissimus> the corrupted images isn't the only problem however; when using the path to server.pbl instead of path to add-pn folder it hangs
20100906 19:19:06< silene> that's beyond my capabilities; your first bug was easy since it reeked of "someone forgot that posix actually mandates that binary should be corrupted by default", so it was just a matter of grepping the code; but your second bug would require actually reading the code
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20100906 19:41:40< fendrin> hello
20100906 19:44:45< fendrin> wesbot: seen esr?
20100906 19:44:46< wesbot> fendrin: The person with the nick esr last spoke 5d 18h ago.  2d 20h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.7/20100716002154]
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20100906 20:08:22< anonymissimus> silene: the change you've proposed, wouldn't that be relevant for Linux too ?
20100906 20:09:38< silene> sure
20100906 20:15:18< anonymissimus> well but why did the corrupted images bug not appear when using ubuntu then ?
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20100906 20:30:42< silene> anonymissimus: because on linux, there are no "text" files, so the 'b' flag is always implicit
20100906 20:31:16< anonymissimus> mm aha :)
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20100906 21:03:33< Simons_Mith> I can't browse the sources repository. Has anyone got 50p for the meter? :-)
20100906 21:04:18< Ivanovic> Simons_Mith: gna.org is currently doing some upgrading
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20100906 21:12:55< Simons_Mith> They claim to be back up again now, though. Trying a couple of other repositories (wisirc, savane, admin), they're all up again, AFAICS.
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20100906 21:17:44< CIA-35> anonymissimus * r46295 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/campaignserver_client.py: Fixed bug #16649 (sending of binary files on windows) after getting glorious hint by silene.
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20100906 21:21:56< CIA-35> loonycyborg * r46296 /trunk/utils/pofix.py: Optimize pofix.py somewhat by moving string splits/joins out of inner loop.
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20100906 21:24:24< mordante> servus
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20100906 21:27:01< Ivanovic> mordante: you pinged me some time ago while i was not around?
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20100906 21:41:16< Ivanovic> Simons_Mith: please do also make sure to convert the tutorial
20100906 21:41:56< Ivanovic> and don't use pango markup for ingame help (eg description tags don't support pango markup, just help markup, ask Espreon for details)
20100906 21:42:59< Simons_Mith> Ivanovic: There's a tutorial patch rewrite already waiting. /I/ think it's a significant improvement, and I'd love some feedback. It does go beyond just apostrophes changing though.
20100906 21:44:04< Simons_Mith> ingame help markup - I know. Basic changes, done and waiting. More significant changes, well, there's an entire manual redraft I did waiting on the forums.
20100906 21:45:29< Soliton> you probably have to ask someone specific to review and commit it.
20100906 21:46:45< Simons_Mith> soliton: I did give zookeeper a heads-up already. If you have a better person to suggest, I'd be grateful
20100906 21:47:14< Soliton> maybe esr is interested.
20100906 21:47:33< Soliton> might also be useful to post it on the patch tracker.
20100906 21:48:09< Simons_Mith> Ta, I'll rattle his cage too.
20100906 21:48:28< Simons_Mith> It's patch 1906.
20100906 21:48:42< Soliton> ah, ok.
20100906 21:51:05< Soliton> if nothing happens ask for dev access as documentation QA, writer or whatever. ;-)
20100906 21:51:30< Soliton> we could use someone primarily caring for that IMO.
20100906 21:53:19< Simons_Mith> Yes, and while I'm between jobs I could get a fair amount done. Kept spotting little niggly errors while doing the typography work.
20100906 21:53:54< Simons_Mith> But, IME, fixing one type not pertaining to what you're supposed to be working on is like eating one peanut...
20100906 21:54:00< Simons_Mith> *typo
20100906 21:57:18< Soliton> tasty?
20100906 21:57:44< Simons_Mith> Er, yes. Tasty. And doesn't lead to another. Oh no.
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20100906 22:06:12< stikonas> are there many strings left that still require conversion?
20100906 22:07:15< Ivanovic> stikonas: yes
20100906 22:07:33< Ivanovic> so far most campaigns should be done
20100906 22:07:41< Ivanovic> but the tutorial as well as the ingame help are missing
20100906 22:08:43< stikonas> thanks
20100906 22:09:17< Ivanovic> in general starting to work on trunk might not be a good idea at the moment
20100906 22:10:01< Simons_Mith> Patch 1911 is the end of the campaigns
20100906 22:10:20< Simons_Mith> 1926 core
20100906 22:10:27< Simons_Mith> 1906 tutorial
20100906 22:12:11< Simons_Mith> I've tried them all for myself, but I'm not an expert in the guts of Wesnoth.
20100906 22:12:41< Ivanovic> for extensive testing we got development releases
20100906 22:12:43< Ivanovic> ;)
20100906 22:13:06< Simons_Mith> *gulp*
20100906 22:15:00< Simons_Mith> TBH, I think they're reasonable.
20100906 22:16:00< Ivanovic> Espreon: uhm, the current pofix.py does convert some stuff in the tutorial, was this already changed in the cfg files?
20100906 22:16:14< Ivanovic> the change is lisar
20100906 22:17:07< Gambit> anonymissimus: You have commit access now don't you? Make sure to poke shadowmaster later.
20100906 22:17:18< mordante> I'm off night
20100906 22:17:30< Gambit> (with a fork)
20100906 22:18:24< Simons_Mith> Oh, clarification: patch 1906 is over and above the basic changes in the pofix. You can do pofix for now, and - if I get an OK - replace the whole tutorial with patch 1906 later.
20100906 22:19:02< Ivanovic> okay, changing the stuff now (the lisar change) and running pofix.py on the tutorial file, so that i can at least cleanly work on incoming translations
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20100906 22:19:54< CIA-35> ivanovic * r46297 /trunk/ (54 files in 2 dirs): 
20100906 22:19:54< CIA-35> apply a change that pofix.py does already to the tutorial .cfg files
20100906 22:19:54< CIA-35> apply pofix on the tutorial textdomain
20100906 22:21:16< Ivanovic> zookeeper: would be great if you had a look at the tutorial stuff
20100906 22:21:30< Ivanovic> wesbot: patch #1906
20100906 22:21:30< wesbot> Patch #1906  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20100906 22:21:31< wesbot> Summary: tutorial changes, including typography
20100906 22:21:31< wesbot> Original submission: This is probably FAO zookeeper rather than ivanovic. I wi
20100906 22:21:34< wesbot> ll send a PM shortly.Changes to the tutorial files including:apostrophes
20100906 22:21:36< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/patch/?1906
20100906 22:21:39< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/patch/download.php?file_id=10115
20100906 22:22:09< anonymissimus> Gambit: why ?
20100906 22:22:30< Gambit> anonymissimus: He's the guy that hands out the red tuxedos :)
20100906 22:22:55< Gambit> (or dresses to be politically correct)
20100906 22:23:06< anonymissimus> Gambit: there is quite a number of people with commit access but non-red nicks
20100906 22:23:17< anonymissimus> you and mcchark for example
20100906 22:23:34< Simons_Mith> Also, a fork make four holes at once; more efficient. 
20100906 22:26:14< stikonas> isn't nick color set by IRC client?
20100906 22:26:32< Gambit> stikonas: Forums...
20100906 22:26:43< Gambit> Gah I really derailed this place. Pretend I was never here 0_0
20100906 22:27:09< Gambit> Do... stuff...
20100906 22:28:03< zookeeper> Ivanovic, Simons_Mith, i know, i haven't got around to applying that patch yet
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20100906 22:32:29< zookeeper> Simons_Mith, any reason why you're not using the caption= key when adding captions to messages?
20100906 22:33:35< Simons_Mith> Yes, ignorance.
20100906 22:33:48< zookeeper> okay ;)
20100906 22:34:38< zookeeper> anyway, i can apply that patch if it's wanted. there's a lot of changes so i'm not going to go through all of them one by one, especially when i'm hoping to get a completely new tutorial done within a few releases which will obsolete every string anyway
20100906 22:37:31< Simons_Mith> zookeeper: yes, when testing, I did find lot of ways you could derail the tutorial with a bit of creative disobedience.
20100906 22:45:27< stikonas> it was much worse previously
20100906 22:46:00< stikonas> no many such bugs are fixed
20100906 22:46:06< stikonas> s/no/now/
20100906 22:46:40< Ivanovic> time for my bed, n8
20100906 22:48:21< Simons_Mith> I should be kicking myself over the caption= key. I was carefully re-creating all the old 'faked' captions using macros, ... Doh.
20100906 22:48:51< zookeeper> so, should i apply it or do you want to fix it?
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20100906 22:51:57< Simons_Mith> Well, a couple more days won't hurt. I'll send you a PM, probably Wednesday sometime, with a goahead. Not much time tonight and I'm out all day tomorrow.
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20100906 22:57:39< zookeeper> okay then
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