--- Log opened Thu Sep 16 00:00:35 2010
20100916 00:06:38-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
20100916 00:08:43< CIA-35> eleazar * r46528 /trunk/ (changelog data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg): Fixed lava drawing extra transition on off-map
20100916 00:11:52-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-095-208-007-247.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]]
20100916 00:13:45< CIA-35> espreon * r46529 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: Added Simons Mith to the credits.
20100916 00:15:33-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-176-19.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 00:19:53< CIA-35> espreon * r46530 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: Added a comment to my data in the misc contributors section.
20100916 00:23:07-!- _jbx_ [~jbailey@12.190.80.225] has quit [Quit: Ha ha, charade you are.]
20100916 00:31:00-!- ian_ [~ian@94.54.20.16] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 00:33:00-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 00:34:15-!- ian_ [~ian@94.54.20.16] has left #wesnoth-dev ["Leaving"]
20100916 00:46:16< stikonas> zookeeper: Portrait of Li'sar in Tutorial II is much smaller than in Tutorial I. This is a bug, isn't it?
20100916 00:46:20-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze]
20100916 00:46:30< stikonas> Konrad seems to be ok, just Li'sar.
20100916 00:47:48-!- clanehin [~quassel@cpe-174-099-073-094.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20100916 00:49:44-!- Simons_Mith [524536cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.69.54.207] has quit [Quit: beddy byes]
20100916 00:50:19< stikonas> which is really strange, since portraits are defined only in Tutorial I
20100916 00:55:45< zookeeper> it's the unit type portrait
20100916 00:56:44< zookeeper> i have no idea why or how nor do i really care
20100916 01:02:17< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46531 /trunk/data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/2_Tutorial.cfg: Fixed a portrait bug.
20100916 01:02:18< zookeeper> ^ but there you go anyway
20100916 01:02:21-!- zookeeper [~l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit []
20100916 01:27:29-!- joo [~joo@unaffiliated/joo] has quit [Quit: Sleeep.]
20100916 01:55:51-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100916 01:58:48-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit [Quit: crimson_penguin]
20100916 01:58:54-!- Blarumyrran [~Blarumyrr@wesnoth/artist/blarumyrran] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 02:07:46-!- clanehin [~quassel@cpe-174-099-073-094.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 02:07:47-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@37.157.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.]
20100916 02:08:01-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]
20100916 02:08:50-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@37.157.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 02:09:02-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100916 02:09:53-!- ilor__3 [~ilor@auo10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
20100916 02:14:45-!- clanehin [~quassel@cpe-174-099-073-094.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100916 02:24:44< CIA-35> espreon * r46532 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: Improved obfuscation of my and Simons Mith's e-mail addresses.
20100916 02:43:50-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-176-19.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20100916 02:46:56-!- esr [~chatzilla@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
20100916 02:49:16-!- clanehin [~quassel@cpe-174-099-073-094.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 02:49:50-!- clanehin [~quassel@cpe-174-099-073-094.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100916 02:51:36-!- clanehin [~quassel@cpe-174-099-073-094.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 02:52:26-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 02:58:11-!- clanehin [~quassel@cpe-174-099-073-094.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100916 03:12:55-!- clanehin [~quassel@cpe-174-099-073-094.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 03:20:32-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 03:22:08< CIA-35> eleazar * r46533 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: improvements to lava next to mountain transitions.
20100916 03:53:03-!- Sapient [~patrickp@wesnoth/developer/sapient] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 03:53:33< Sapient> hi
20100916 03:53:51< shadowmaster>  hi there
20100916 03:54:14< shadowmaster> I suppose that if nobody says "hi" you'll leave like all those IRC newbies? Oh wait, you are one of our guys.
20100916 03:54:27< shadowmaster> nvm then.
20100916 03:54:50-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@dhip-164.foss.residences.colby.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
20100916 03:55:06-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@37.157.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100916 03:55:13< Sapient> well, no... but it does show who is watching the channel and feeling friendly
20100916 03:55:37< shadowmaster> you can always find a friendly voice here.
20100916 03:55:40< Sapient> and if I was hunting someone in particular I would say "hi fendrin"
20100916 03:55:42< shadowmaster> for example:
20100916 03:55:49< shadowmaster> hi shikadibot
20100916 03:55:49< shikadibot> hi shadowmaster
20100916 03:56:04< Sapient> Now I know
20100916 03:56:04< shikadibot> And knowing is half the battle!
20100916 03:56:28< shadowmaster> 100% friendly, 100% faultproof and 100% free of nocive substances.
20100916 03:56:43< shadowmaster> hm.
20100916 03:56:47< shadowmaster> sorry for the gratuitous spanish.
20100916 03:56:47< Sapient> shikadibot: N3T?
20100916 03:56:48< shikadibot> N3T: No-Three-Teams
20100916 03:57:02< Sapient> ok, now I'm impressed ;)
20100916 03:57:26< Sapient> the bot has surpassed the intelligence of many on the MP server now
20100916 03:58:32 * Sapient continues to make bad jokes.
20100916 03:59:30< Sapient> fendrin: were you looking for me?
20100916 04:11:41< Sapient> I suspect it was something about LoW macros... good luck with that
20100916 04:13:46-!- clanehin [~quassel@cpe-174-099-073-094.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20100916 04:15:47-!- clanehin [~quassel@cpe-174-099-073-094.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 04:24:16-!- Sapient [~patrickp@wesnoth/developer/sapient] has left #wesnoth-dev []
20100916 04:36:32-!- TheBuzzSaw [~buzz@75-174-89-63.bois.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 04:40:48-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db2e53b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 04:41:19-!- TheBuzzSaw [~buzz@75-174-89-63.bois.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
20100916 04:43:56-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
20100916 04:44:46-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic
20100916 04:45:24-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-176-19.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 04:49:42-!- un214 [~quassel@75.45.0.228] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 04:50:07< un214> I wonder how mad people would be if I posted an mp nofog patch to the forums.
20100916 04:50:57< un214> I haven't tried but it can't be that hard to write.
20100916 04:53:15< shadowmaster> we'd ban you.
20100916 04:53:27< shadowmaster> I'm being serious.
20100916 04:55:52-!- TheBuzzSaw [~buzz@75-174-89-63.bois.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 04:56:41< TheBuzzSaw> You require more vespene gas.
20100916 04:57:41-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: released 1.9.1, announcing soon | 157 bugs, 297 feature requests, 15 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100916 05:00:48 * TheBuzzSaw has his new superbible
20100916 05:09:56< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: 1.9.1 for Mac should be up now
20100916 05:26:29-!- TheBuzzSaw [~buzz@75-174-89-63.bois.qwest.net] has left #wesnoth-dev []
20100916 05:28:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100916 05:28:14-!- Gambit [~Gambit@unaffiliated/gambit] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100916 05:58:42-!- beetlenaut [~dan@72-173-46-202.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 05:59:59-!- un214 [~quassel@75.45.0.228] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100916 06:09:31< fangism0> if the sources are up, i'll roll out the fink package for 1.9.1 soon (1.9.0 already worked great on i386-darwin10, x86_64-darwin10, and powerpc-darwin8!)
20100916 06:17:18< shadowmaster> the sources are always released first.
20100916 06:17:43< shadowmaster> (if you mean the official source code tarball)
20100916 06:28:58-!- Espreon|mkraid [~metakraid@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has quit []
20100916 06:50:55< fendrin> shadowmaster: Hi, do you know how #ifdef is handled inside #define ?
20100916 06:51:05< shadowmaster> no, no idea
20100916 06:52:16< fendrin> To me it looks like it is ignored completely. At least I would wish the engine would through errors or wmlscope would discover them at least.
20100916 06:53:41< fendrin> s/through/trow
20100916 06:54:09< shadowmaster> don't forget the "at least" at the end
20100916 06:54:35< shadowmaster> or the "I" instead of "I would"
20100916 06:54:46< shadowmaster> or the "throw" instead of "trow"... ;)
20100916 06:55:03< shadowmaster> </random_nitpicking_forumer>
20100916 06:55:34< fendrin> hmmm, just wake up. I should drink some tea or coffee before chatting.
20100916 06:56:04< shadowmaster> isn't it like 6 am there?
20100916 06:56:11< fendrin> 7am
20100916 06:56:55< shadowmaster> I wake up at 5:30 am  when going to uni, and I'm still dizzy on IRC at 8:30 am
20100916 06:58:13< fendrin> Yeah, that is quite individual. There are humans around who are best working during the morning and some who perform best from 10 am on or even later.
20100916 07:15:54-!- [Relic] [~relic@99-58-54-211.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20100916 07:28:10-!- Blarumyrran [~Blarumyrr@wesnoth/artist/blarumyrran] has quit [Quit: Lahkun]
20100916 07:35:47-!- clanehin [~quassel@cpe-174-099-073-094.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
20100916 07:49:10-!- johndh [84aa333e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.132.170.51.62] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 07:50:09< johndh> Hi everybody.  I've been working on some race descriptions for those that are missing in the in-game help, like nagas and mermen.
20100916 07:51:14< johndh> Currently I've gotten very little dev feedback, though, so if somebody with some authority could take the time to take a look at the thread on Writers', I'd like to know if I'm on the right track.
20100916 07:56:56-!- zookeeper [~l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 08:07:24< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46534 /trunk/data/multiplayer/scenarios/ (4p_A_New_Land.cfg ANL_utils/ANL_special_macros.cfg): Made the ANL guardians unable to move also in shallow water.
20100916 08:10:29-!- johndh [84aa333e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.132.170.51.62] has left #wesnoth-dev []
20100916 08:25:01-!- ilor__ [~ilor@auo10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 08:36:04-!- MeccaGod [~majs@h14n4fls31o279.telia.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 08:44:52-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze]
20100916 09:02:47-!- Upth [~ogmar@69.62.144.108] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 09:02:47-!- Upth is now known as Upthorn
20100916 09:10:11-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Disconnected by services]
20100916 09:10:23-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 09:22:03< fendrin> shadowmaster: http://forums.wesnoth.org/mcp.php?i=reports&start=0&mode=report_details&f=8&r=289
20100916 09:22:31< shadowmaster> where's Gambit's bot when I want to see page titles.
20100916 09:22:42< shadowmaster> oh wait, it can't access the MCP anyway.
20100916 09:23:14< shadowmaster> fendrin: if you actually read the mods' forum, you'd realize that we are talking about that already since some hours ago.
20100916 09:23:35< shadowmaster> I also talked with Gambit about it in my personal channel.
20100916 09:25:07< fendrin> I see.
20100916 09:25:40< fendrin> Hmmm, elves and orcs aren't quite unracist in LoW as well.
20100916 09:25:58< shadowmaster> People, we have...a TROPE!
20100916 09:26:18< shadowmaster> but I believe there are some TV Tropes haters around here, so I'll not link to it.
20100916 09:26:25< fendrin> :-)
20100916 09:26:44 * shadowmaster goes back to editing tropes.
20100916 09:27:28< fendrin> If the words in question would be spoken be the units being "Onslought" nobody would argue, right? The problem is just that the protagonist/hero/player is being political incorrect.
20100916 09:30:07< shadowmaster> I failed to understand your last line after reading it thrice. Sorry. :(
20100916 09:31:19< fendrin> Okay, what I want to say is: We have many campaigns in which the evil that has to be fought is some kind of a racist/murderer/pervert(necromancer) and nothing what they say is ever being questioned.
20100916 09:31:30< fendrin> Because the player has to fought them in order to win.
20100916 09:31:50< shadowmaster> yeah, right
20100916 09:31:56< fendrin> The evil guys are political incorrect and that is okay because they loose the game.
20100916 09:32:28-!- euschn [~eugen@wesnoth/developer/euschn] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 09:32:35< fendrin> But if the player is "evil" (of course not from the viewpoint of Crushmaster) it seems to be another case.
20100916 09:32:48< shadowmaster> must...resist...linking...trope...AGH
20100916 09:32:50< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FantasticRacism
20100916 09:33:26< fendrin> That also questions the new drake campaign I am developing with esr. The drakes (which are played by the player and are supposed to succeed) eat the "lesser" races all the time.
20100916 09:33:49< shadowmaster> but I think Crushmaster is spreading the word in such an anvilicious (people we have a trope, etc., sorry) manner that  it's outright meta
20100916 09:34:04< shadowmaster> i.e. it's not really part of a fantasy story
20100916 09:34:16< shadowmaster> I'll put it this way:
20100916 09:34:31< shadowmaster> he's using Wesnoth to tell a fable, not a simple fictitious story.
20100916 09:35:11< fendrin> I think the main point is that his campaign is quite realistic.
20100916 09:35:39< fendrin> I guess that the christion crusades have been heavier than his campaign.
20100916 09:36:45< shadowmaster> well, fables work that way -- they wrap the author's moral message into fantasy elements so he can influence the audience without throwing a direct message at them, which would cause rejection of the morale.
20100916 09:36:54< shadowmaster> s/into/with/
20100916 09:37:12< shadowmaster> it's like subliminal messages.
20100916 09:37:18< shadowmaster> hence my second post in the same mods' thread.
20100916 09:37:35< shadowmaster>  and I am just about to post a follow-up volunteering for contacting C rushmaster about it
20100916 09:38:18< fendrin> Right. But if the sentences in question are not presented as the total truth but just as the personal believings of a unit, I can't see anything wrong about it.
20100916 09:40:38< zookeeper> fendrin, but they're not
20100916 09:40:59< zookeeper> or rather, yes they are
20100916 09:41:05-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db2e53b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host]
20100916 09:41:05-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 09:41:07< fendrin> Because they are spoken by the narrator?
20100916 09:41:24< shadowmaster> let me pull a Crushmaster and say it again
20100916 09:41:29< zookeeper> fendrin, have you looked at it?
20100916 09:41:31-!- Vir [~mkretz@HSI-KBW-091-089-141-103.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 09:41:31< shadowmaster> it's like a fable.
20100916 09:41:31-!- Vir [~mkretz@HSI-KBW-091-089-141-103.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Changing host]
20100916 09:41:31-!- Vir [~mkretz@kde/mkretz] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 09:41:37< shadowmaster> it's anvilicious like a fable.
20100916 09:41:42< Ivanovic> moin
20100916 09:41:50< shadowmaster> therefore, its intention is to influence the audience
20100916 09:41:53< shadowmaster> not to tell a story.
20100916 09:42:25< fendrin> zookeeper: I am reading through the wml code since a few minutes.
20100916 09:42:51< zookeeper> great
20100916 09:42:55< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: great, then i can write some announcement today
20100916 09:46:28< fendrin> Okay, I am through the first scenario, I am more repelled from UtBS Eloh blabla :-)
20100916 09:47:19< shadowmaster> for the last time, I don't perceive such intentions in UtBS.
20100916 09:48:16< shadowmaster> at the end it's more of a tale about how you must trust your own heart instead of religious figures-
20100916 09:48:20< shadowmaster> wait.
20100916 09:49:22< shadowmaster> well, it never tells us whether Kaleh is homosexual or not. Isn't it odd anyway that he and Nym never have anything? ^^ So no, I don't think it's intended to convey a Christian vision of the world like Crushmaster's campaign does.
20100916 09:49:38-!- stikonas [~and@ctv-213-164-99-190.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 09:49:38-!- stikonas [~and@ctv-213-164-99-190.vinita.lt] has quit [Changing host]
20100916 09:49:38-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 09:50:20 * shadowmaster . O o (at this rate I'll never write the follow-up in the forum...)
20100916 09:52:59< fendrin> Hmmm, but we should censcor that campaign anyway. The wml coding is surely offensive.
20100916 09:54:13< shadowmaster> what's that supposed to mean?
20100916 09:55:27< fendrin> Well, read it. He seems not be able to use macros and is repeating the same event with the same speech for another unit over and over.
20100916 09:55:30< shadowmaster> oh, cool. the campaign has a readme file on its inner root dir
20100916 09:55:58< shadowmaster> okay, sorry, I can't volunteer for msging him after all.
20100916 09:56:41< fendrin> why?
20100916 09:57:38-!- ilor__ [~ilor@auo10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
20100916 09:57:40< shadowmaster> because it's more complicated than I initially thought, and I'd feel bad for him..
20100916 09:57:42< fendrin> Scenario3's intro speech is much too long, not even the craziest fundemantalist will read it. Not even if you propose him the 99 virgins premotem.
20100916 09:59:47< fendrin> premotem/premortem
20100916 10:02:25< fendrin> Well, I don't think the campaign is offending. It's just mirroring what people thought during the middle ages.
20100916 10:02:36< zookeeper> ...
20100916 10:02:41< zookeeper> you can't be serious
20100916 10:02:47< fendrin> I am.
20100916 10:03:19< fendrin> But I have to admit that the campaign is not mainline quality. So I think we should not mainline it ;-P
20100916 10:03:34< shadowmaster> you aren't being serious then
20100916 10:04:00< shadowmaster> nobody's talking about mainlining anything, and that it mirrors history doesn't make it good.
20100916 10:04:21< fendrin> The mainlining thing was just a joke. 
20100916 10:05:33< shadowmaster> quite inappropriate in the context.
20100916 10:05:49 * shadowmaster goes back to promoting his new forum feature.
20100916 10:07:57< shadowmaster> nice, I had a rotten announcem ent  in the Website forum and nobody told me.
20100916 10:08:12< shadowmaster> Forums back up!
20100916 10:08:13< shadowmaster> Postby shadowmaster » July 9th, 2010, 4:53 pm 
20100916 10:09:11< fendrin> Okay, I am through the campaign.
20100916 10:09:56< fendrin> The only sentences in question are in that speech from one character to another. They are both controlled by the player and the text is an fact a bible citation.
20100916 10:10:16< fendrin> Or at least he claims that it is.
20100916 10:10:38< fendrin> It would not wonder me if there is some nonesense like that in the bible.
20100916 10:11:05< shadowmaster> there's a lot of obsolete stuff in the bible.
20100916 10:11:20< shadowmaster> Unfortunately, it's not been permanently wikified yet, so we can't fix it ourselves. :(
20100916 10:11:25< fendrin> lol
20100916 10:11:35< fendrin> That is a good idea.
20100916 10:11:39< fendrin> A biblewiki.
20100916 10:12:44< shadowmaster> I think it'd make sense to drop the "word of God" thing and just revise it as needed, but if I proposed that in public I'd have a horde of Christians after me holding torches and pitchforks.
20100916 10:12:48< fendrin> "Feel uncomfortable with the word of our lord? Change it to your needs at biblewiki. The perfect way to become a good christ.
20100916 10:13:41< shadowmaster> governments revise their own constitutional laws every once in a while, so why not revise the christian bible too? :p
20100916 10:14:48< fendrin> I am all for it. Religion should adapt to the world we life in to keep their legitimation to guide people (if they ever had ...).
20100916 10:23:40< zookeeper> <fendrin> It would not wonder me if there is some nonesense like that in the bible. <--- how can you have possibly avoided encountering those kind of bible quotes before?
20100916 10:24:30< fendrin> zookeeper: I don't read every book available. Not enough time. So only the ones I consider being valuable for me. I decided that isn't true for the bible early on.
20100916 10:25:15< zookeeper> you don't encounter bible quotes in the bible
20100916 10:25:52< shadowmaster> zookeeper: may I take that quote out of context for future generations, please? ^_^
20100916 10:25:59< zookeeper> sure
20100916 10:26:39< fendrin> zookeeper: Well, in my daily life I don't encounter any bible quotes. Germany is a nice place to live in when it comes to religion. It pretty much leaves me alone living my own life.
20100916 10:27:15< zookeeper> fendrin, never taken part in religion debates on the internet? :P
20100916 10:27:40< fendrin> zookeeper: Not outside of wesnoth.
20100916 10:28:02< shadowmaster> it isn't hard to stumble upon random quotes.
20100916 10:28:16< shadowmaster> they are on TV, movies, the Internet, ...
20100916 10:28:30< zookeeper> i see
20100916 10:29:19< shadowmaster> of course, I live in a historically Catholic country, so that might have to do something.
20100916 10:31:02-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit []
20100916 10:34:25< fendrin> My own religion uses some modified version of the bible already. First, as a protestant I don't have to believe in the old testament at all. And new testament is cleared of most of the ugliest stuff. But it seems that in other countries the protestants are sometimes more fundamentalists than the catholics.
20100916 10:52:26-!- thespaceinvader [~chatzilla@wesnoth/artist/thespaceinvader] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 10:57:41-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: released 1.9.1, announcing soon | 156 bugs, 297 feature requests, 15 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100916 11:50:51-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 11:52:06-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 11:52:18-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@p3EE25360.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 12:28:30-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@dhip-164.foss.residences.colby.edu] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 12:55:20-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@dhip-164.foss.residences.colby.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
20100916 13:01:30< CIA-35> ivanovic * r46535 /trunk/ (14 files in 12 dirs): updated Indonesian and Russian translation
20100916 13:01:40< CIA-35> ivanovic * r46536 /branches/1.8/po/ (6 files in 6 dirs): updated Indonesian and Russian translation
20100916 13:22:58-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@dhip-164.foss.residences.colby.edu] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 13:40:51-!- Daltx [~~@unaffiliated/op] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20100916 13:41:12-!- Daltx [~~@unaffiliated/op] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 13:41:44-!- clanehin [~quassel@cpe-174-099-073-094.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 13:42:31-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@dhip-164.foss.residences.colby.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
20100916 13:56:25-!- Blarumyrran [~Blarumyrr@wesnoth/artist/blarumyrran] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 13:58:52-!- Gambit [~Gambit@unaffiliated/gambit] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 14:00:26< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46537 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Removed obsolete old-style portraits.
20100916 14:09:29< Gambit> shadowmaster, Sapient, fendrin, I think this issue is going to be personal to all, and everyone is going to be biased. Someone still has to do it.
20100916 14:10:48< Gambit> (and soon)
20100916 14:11:24-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 14:17:43< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46538 /trunk/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/18_Northern_Alliance.cfg: Added different dialogue when Shan Taum is killed by a human. Fixes bug #16359.
20100916 14:19:15< Soliton> billynux: IMO it better fits into process_command_args() and i'd suggest to conform to the code around but generally that looks fine, sure.
20100916 14:23:45-!- Ivanovic is now known as Ivanovic_
20100916 14:24:11-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic
20100916 14:26:06-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 14:27:36-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-176-19.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
20100916 14:27:56-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit]
20100916 14:28:35< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46539 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: Fixed a big glitch when placing overlay terrains on ford.
20100916 14:28:53< zookeeper> Gambit, eleazzaar, ^
20100916 14:29:17< Gambit> If nobody's done it by when I get home from class this afternoon then I'll plagiarise zookeeper and Sapient's sentiments.
20100916 14:29:35< Gambit> zookeeper: Ooooh. Thank you ^_^
20100916 14:31:25< zookeeper> it didn't work before because the overlay macros which don't take the flag as an argument use "overlay", and therefore two of them can't be drawn on the same hex
20100916 14:31:41< zookeeper> but if you just supply a custom flag name for the overlay of that terrain, you can have as many as you want
20100916 14:35:57< zookeeper> in fact, i think each terrain should define their own overlay flag so that overlay terrains won't even cause glitches like that
20100916 14:50:04-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 14:55:48< fendrin> Gambit: I have read through "Onslought" and I think it is still covered by "Freedom of speech". So *I* would not censor it. That is my opinion as an atheist.
20100916 14:56:28< fendrin> Gambit: But I guess this opinion will not make it at the end.
20100916 14:57:24-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze]
20100916 15:08:40-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@37.157.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 15:22:25-!- euschn [~eugen@wesnoth/developer/euschn] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
20100916 15:36:04-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@dhip-164.foss.residences.colby.edu] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 16:03:52-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 16:06:37-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit]
20100916 16:18:17-!- _jbx_ [~jbailey@12.190.80.225] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 16:27:59-!- fangism [~davidfang@gilbert.achronix.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 16:29:43-!- fangism0 [~davidfang@gilbert.achronix.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
20100916 16:37:18-!- fangism [~davidfang@gilbert.achronix.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
20100916 16:37:36-!- fangism [~davidfang@adsl-75-40-112-1.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 16:44:54-!- Gallaecio_ [~quassel@225.189.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 16:46:05-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@37.157.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
20100916 16:46:27-!- mysticX [uzg@85.17.222.12] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 16:53:56-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@dhip-164.foss.residences.colby.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
20100916 17:07:48-!- Gallaecio_ is now known as Gallaecio
20100916 17:19:45-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 17:22:46< eleazzaar> zookeeper: kicking an idea around here:
20100916 17:23:00< eleazzaar> what do you think about making the reef terrain an overlay
20100916 17:23:14< eleazzaar> advantage: can put it over any color water
20100916 17:23:30< eleazzaar> advantage: it can't be mixed with overlays
20100916 17:23:56< eleazzaar> disadvantage: changes things
20100916 17:24:18< eleazzaar> disadvantage: could be placed over land
20100916 17:24:21< fendrin> eleazzaar: I would vote for making the ford an overlay as well. 
20100916 17:26:31-!- GNUtoo|laptop [~gnutoo@host55-144-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 17:26:42< GNUtoo|laptop> hi, did anyone already saw that:
20100916 17:26:43< GNUtoo|laptop> | CMakeFiles/wesnoth.dir/ai/composite/engine_default.cpp.o: file not recognized: File truncated
20100916 17:26:48< GNUtoo|laptop> with lastest stable version
20100916 17:27:00< GNUtoo|laptop> 1.8.4 version
20100916 17:29:27-!- fangism1 [~davidfang@gilbert.achronix.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 17:30:40-!- fangism [~davidfang@adsl-75-40-112-1.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
20100916 17:31:31-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze]
20100916 17:39:06-!- Unnheulu [~ieuan@cpc5-pnth2-0-0-cust800.5-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 17:42:18-!- Bocom [~Bocom@c-65cee255.013-31-6b736412.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Lämnar]
20100916 17:42:31-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 17:45:06-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit]
20100916 17:46:58-!- Bocom [~Bocom@c-65cee255.013-31-6b736412.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 17:50:40-!- Unnheulu [~ieuan@cpc5-pnth2-0-0-cust800.5-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
20100916 17:51:37< zookeeper> eleazzaar, hmmh..
20100916 17:52:37< zookeeper> eleazzaar, hard to say. i'd be all for it if it didn't prevent placing bridges on it, but it does..
20100916 18:04:23-!- Vir [~mkretz@kde/mkretz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100916 18:29:41-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 18:35:44-!- newbie [~kvirc@91.205.83.55] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 18:35:51-!- Crab_ [~Crab_@wesnoth/developer/crab] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 18:36:05-!- newbie is now known as Iskander
20100916 18:38:15< Iskander> hi all
20100916 18:40:22< Iskander> i has a question, maybe you now where is source which create interface of battle window?
20100916 18:42:37< Iskander> i wanna try modificate interface, can you help me?
20100916 18:44:04-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@dhip-164.foss.residences.colby.edu] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 18:45:30-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 18:47:43< Crab_> Iskander: see mouse_handler::show_attack_dialog (in mouse_events.cpp) also take a look at ./attack_prediction_display.?pp for the 'hp distribution' screen
20100916 18:49:57< fendrin> Crab_: Hi, what do you think about the mp bot policy proposed by norbert? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/MultiplayerServerBots
20100916 18:50:19< fendrin> He also wrote to the dev-ml.
20100916 18:50:40< Iskander> Thank you, but you maybe i am not right say, i mean all screen, with map, attack, time of  day etc.
20100916 18:51:44< Crab_> fendrin: I helped him when that unofficial policy was written, so it is aligned nicely with my point of view :)
20100916 18:52:06-!- alink [~alink@109.88.8.143] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 18:52:06-!- alink [~alink@109.88.8.143] has quit [Changing host]
20100916 18:52:06-!- alink [~alink@wesnoth/developer/alink] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 18:52:06< fendrin> Iskander: That will include many sections of the sourcecode. Maybe you make your way forward from display.cpp.
20100916 18:52:35< Crab_> fendrin: I wanted to make it clear that bot is just a 'tool' for a particular human
20100916 18:53:00< Gambit> How does that policy affect bots in private rooms though?
20100916 18:53:27< fendrin> Crab_: Nice, I thought they are very sound as well. MP player bots could enhance the lobby forums greatly. One could implement many functions we don't have via gui available through it.
20100916 18:53:36< Crab_> Gambit: note: it's not an official policy.
20100916 18:53:49< Crab_> Gambit: but, nevertheless, private channels should have their own policy. 
20100916 18:53:56< Gambit> I'd like to see lobby eventually be a two way system
20100916 18:54:08< Gambit> Or a similar bot
20100916 18:54:08< Crab_> Gambit: note the frequent ', unless it's on a private channel and that channel policy ...' disclaimers in it.
20100916 18:55:30< Iskander> fendrin: tahnk i think ti is what i search.
20100916 18:55:48< Iskander> fendrin: i mean thank you
20100916 18:56:23< fendrin> Iskander: No problem, you are welcome.
20100916 18:56:57< fendrin> Gambit: Do you have a special case in mind? 
20100916 18:57:54< Gambit> Just last night I was considering a bot that would live in a particular MP server room, and a particular IRC channel
20100916 18:58:04< Gambit> It would echo <server> Username: message in the IRC channel
20100916 18:58:15< Gambit> and <IRC> Username: message in the server room
20100916 18:58:23< Gambit> Two way communication<->lobby system
20100916 18:58:47< CIA-35> alink * r46540 /trunk/src/generate_report.cpp: 
20100916 18:58:47< CIA-35> In level tooltip, write "No advancement" instead of empty "Advances to:"
20100916 18:58:47< CIA-35> Also fox trailing endline there
20100916 18:58:47< CIA-35> alink * r46541 /trunk/src/generate_report.cpp: Small code cleaning (AMLA icons)
20100916 18:58:47< CIA-35> alink * r46542 /trunk/src/generate_report.cpp: Small code cleaning (advencement options)
20100916 18:58:47< CIA-35> alink * r46543 /trunk/src/ (generate_report.cpp reports.hpp): Better name a variable
20100916 18:58:48< CIA-35> alink * r46544 /trunk/src/generate_report.cpp: Simplify code for damage type tooltip
20100916 18:58:52< fendrin> Gambit: What would be the purpose of this bot? I don't understand the usecase.
20100916 18:59:10< Gambit> fendrin: Just letting IRC users talk to people in the server and vice versa
20100916 18:59:26< fangism1> configure screw-up somewhere: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/yGN08g8S (plan to investigate)
20100916 18:59:43< Gambit> you could also do:
20100916 18:59:51< Gambit> botname: /whisper Bob message goes here
20100916 19:00:00< Gambit> then the bot would whisper to Bob on the MP server
20100916 19:00:20< Gambit> or if you're in the MP server you could:
20100916 19:00:38< Gambit>  /whisper botname query Bob message goes here
20100916 19:00:45< Gambit> then the bot would privately message Bob on IRC
20100916 19:01:09< fendrin> Gambit: I guess you already have in mind that the new mp lobby hos more features? Are you sure the bot is needed there anymore?
20100916 19:01:33< Gambit> fendrin: Unless one of those new features is creating IRC channels... then yes the bot is needed :)
20100916 19:01:40< Gambit> I want to connect the lobby and IRC basically.
20100916 19:03:34< Gambit> fendrin: As of right now; people in IRC can't talk to people in the game
20100916 19:03:43< Gambit> You can see what they're saying, but you must join the game to reply.
20100916 19:03:46< Gambit> And there is no whispering.
20100916 19:04:28< fendrin> Gambit: Hmmm, I like the idea somehow.
20100916 19:05:12< Crab_> Gambit: so, returning to 'How does that policy affect bots in private rooms though?' in context of your case, it'll be "it's ok for a separate lobby channel'
20100916 19:06:16< Crab_> you just need to register a username for a bot and make sure that the server admins ack it and know who is the bot's master.
20100916 19:07:06< Gambit> There's also step 1: find some free time to actually make it
20100916 19:07:13< Crab_> step 0:)
20100916 19:07:20< Gambit> The lobby stuff looks incredibly complicated :\
20100916 19:07:41< Crab_> you can use libana - the new network lib that is used by wesnoth :)
20100916 19:08:05< Crab_> it should handle low-level c++ stuff for you
20100916 19:09:27< fendrin> I have tried the gsoc result "planning mode". It is nice. 
20100916 19:10:07< GNUtoo|laptop> anyone recognize this failure: | CMakeFiles/wesnoth.dir/ai/composite/engine_default.cpp.o: file not recognized: File truncated ?
20100916 19:13:47< Crab_> GNUtoo|laptop: have you tried to do a clean recompile ?
20100916 19:14:31< Gambit> If only the lobby used IRC protocol :P
20100916 19:14:57< GNUtoo|laptop> Crab_, yes, but not shure how clean it was
20100916 19:15:06< Gambit> IIUC how it works is you generate WML, and you gzip it and send it back and forth?
20100916 19:15:24< GNUtoo|laptop> I'm trying to rebuild my rootfs from scratch now to see if it fixes it (I'm cross compiling wesnoth)
20100916 19:21:10< CIA-35> eleazar * r46545 /trunk/ (26 files in 3 dirs): Altered terrain WML so that encampments can be freely mixed with all human and elvish castles. Also fixed some issued with the base transitions of swamp and sunken castles. Don't really know how i did it.
20100916 19:25:58-!- Iskander [~kvirc@91.205.83.55] has quit [Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.3 Shiny(svn-3438) http://www.kvirc.net]
20100916 19:32:57< Crab_> Gambit: yes
20100916 19:33:14< fendrin> eleazzaar: I have an idea for a terrain.
20100916 19:33:22< eleazzaar> yeah?
20100916 19:33:36< fendrin> eleazzaar: An overlay that terminates castle tiles.
20100916 19:33:53< eleazzaar> what do you mean "ternminates"?
20100916 19:34:13< fendrin> If a castle is in adjacent to a terminated tile it will not build the wall in that direction.
20100916 19:34:27< fendrin> That way one could easily build city walls.
20100916 19:35:28-!- noy_ [~Noy@70.28.245.6] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 19:35:28-!- noy_ [~Noy@70.28.245.6] has quit [Changing host]
20100916 19:35:28-!- noy_ [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 19:35:35< fendrin> hi noy
20100916 19:35:41< eleazzaar> then you couldn't tell which hexes were castle and which were road
20100916 19:36:07< eleazzaar> BTW, the new village stuff allows villages to be placed inside castles
20100916 19:36:19< fendrin> Very nice.
20100916 19:37:26< fendrin> eleazzaar: Is it working with any village and any castle?
20100916 19:37:30< eleazzaar> oog-- that means you can add the tent village to an encampment which happens to look just like the encampment "keep"
20100916 19:37:41-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
20100916 19:37:41-!- noy_ is now known as noy
20100916 19:37:55< eleazzaar> any land villages
20100916 19:38:48< fendrin> I have the newest trunk compiled. I expected that a village inside a castle is not surrounded by walls anymore, right?
20100916 19:39:14< eleazzaar> if you SHIFT-Click, yes
20100916 19:39:46< fendrin> superp.
20100916 19:39:51< eleazzaar> it then has castle defense & healing
20100916 19:40:00< eleazzaar> so caution should be used
20100916 19:40:27< eleazzaar> i.e. it is a more powerful hex
20100916 19:41:09< fendrin> I see.
20100916 19:42:03< fendrin> It is even working on top of a keep, just wonderful.
20100916 19:42:43< eleazzaar> heh, i don't try to prevent stupid terrain combos
20100916 19:42:44-!- joo [~joo@188-223-201-81.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 19:42:44-!- joo [~joo@188-223-201-81.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Changing host]
20100916 19:42:45-!- joo [~joo@unaffiliated/joo] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 19:42:57< fendrin> No, it's not stupid.
20100916 19:43:25< fendrin> Makes nice looking maps. And it is even more powerful. Healing + defense + recruit.
20100916 19:43:44< fendrin> Of course it is meant to be used wisely.
20100916 19:44:48< fendrin> But they would need to be a bit more in the center.
20100916 19:45:32< fendrin> Reminds me to rivendel while playing with the elvish castles.
20100916 19:45:44< eleazzaar> have fun with it
20100916 19:45:48< eleazzaar> gotta go
20100916 19:45:52< fendrin> bye
20100916 19:47:00-!- Unnheulu [~ieuan@cpc5-pnth2-0-0-cust800.5-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 19:52:49< fendrin> Gambit: Still around?
20100916 19:54:14-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 19:57:41-!- EdB [~edb@70.103.89-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 20:07:02-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit [Quit: crimson_penguin]
20100916 20:07:25-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 20:11:19< fangism1> Fixed configure.ac (1.9.1): http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/ZDFzhbH8
20100916 20:13:17-!- alink [~alink@wesnoth/developer/alink] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100916 20:13:48< fangism1> can someone approve/commit the above one-line configure.ac fix?
20100916 20:14:10< zookeeper> eleazzaar, fendrin, i'd still recommend to not mix castles and villages
20100916 20:14:23< zookeeper> it's a highly odd thing to do IMO
20100916 20:14:51< fendrin> zookeeper: Why?
20100916 20:16:22< Gambit> fendrin: What's up?
20100916 20:16:36< fendrin> Gambit: Have you ever started "Onslought"?
20100916 20:16:42< shadowmaster> Onslaught.
20100916 20:16:53< Gambit> No I haven't yet.
20100916 20:16:56< shadowmaster> it's spelled with an 'a', not an 'o'.
20100916 20:16:59-!- grzywacz [~grzywacz@wesnoth/developer/grzywacz] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 20:17:01< loonycyborg> fangism1: silene is the person to ask, but he doesn't seem to be around right now.
20100916 20:17:03< fendrin> shadowmaster: Thank you :-)
20100916 20:17:11< Gambit> I plan to, but I also "plan to" play a lot of campaigns (Dead Water xD)
20100916 20:17:13< shadowmaster> </grammarnazi>
20100916 20:17:19< shadowmaster> heil emdash!
20100916 20:17:23< Gambit> </Espreon>
20100916 20:17:27< Gambit> shadowmaster: Fixed that for you :D
20100916 20:17:33< shadowmaster> :(
20100916 20:17:37< fendrin> Gambit: I wonder if the image you see when doing so is copyrighted.
20100916 20:17:48< zookeeper> fendrin, just because it's pretty weird and doesn't actually look good in most cases. and i don't mean you shouldn't use them at all, but i'd use them _very_ sparingly.
20100916 20:20:14< fangism1> loonycyborg: ok, good to know.  i'll try to look for silene here, but i'm not very active.  I'll post a link to my fink package with the (cumulative) patch once it's ready.
20100916 20:21:43-!- ilor__ [~ilor@auo10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 20:24:21< zookeeper> eleazzaar, that castle change is really nice. i've always wanted different castle types to mesh a bit better.
20100916 20:24:45-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20100916 20:25:08-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@dhip-164.foss.residences.colby.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
20100916 20:26:14< zookeeper> especially ruined castle and encampment is a combo i've often wanted to use
20100916 20:31:39-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-176-19.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 20:40:08-!- alink [~alink@wesnoth/developer/alink] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 20:44:06-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 20:46:16-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit]
20100916 20:47:26-!- TheBuzzSaw [~buzz@75-174-89-63.bois.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 20:47:49-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit [Quit: crimson_penguin]
20100916 20:48:54-!- mordante [~mordante@roadie.xs4all.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 20:48:54-!- mordante [~mordante@roadie.xs4all.nl] has quit [Changing host]
20100916 20:48:54-!- mordante [~mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 20:49:05< mordante> servus
20100916 20:56:09< mordante> GNUtoo|laptop, 1.8 compiles fine for me with cmake
20100916 20:56:18< GNUtoo|laptop> ok
20100916 20:56:21< GNUtoo|laptop> I'll retry then
20100916 20:56:34< mordante> I tested with the latest svn version
20100916 21:04:41< Crab_> fangism1: silene might take a look at your configure.ac patch, afair he's the one who maintains autotools builds files from time to time
20100916 21:05:08-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
20100916 21:05:14-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
20100916 21:06:01-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 21:06:50-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit [Client Quit]
20100916 21:06:56-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 21:18:30-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
20100916 21:18:37-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 21:19:15-!- TheBuzzSaw [~buzz@75-174-89-63.bois.qwest.net] has left #wesnoth-dev []
20100916 21:30:22< Ivanovic> GNUtoo|laptop: i am 100% sure that it was possible to compile the 1.8.4 release with cmake, too
20100916 21:30:31< Ivanovic> (since i compile using cmake when testing if the tarball is working)
20100916 21:30:42< GNUtoo|laptop> ok
20100916 21:30:47< GNUtoo|laptop> my rootfs is not finished
20100916 21:30:50< GNUtoo|laptop> I have to wait
20100916 21:30:55< GNUtoo|laptop> for compiling wesnoth again
20100916 21:32:28-!- Blarumyrram [~Blarumyrr@wesnoth/artist/blarumyrran] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 21:34:48-!- Blarumyrran [~Blarumyrr@wesnoth/artist/blarumyrran] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
20100916 21:36:47-!- Bob_The_Mighty [~chatzilla@cpc8-brig15-2-0-cust40.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 21:40:02< zookeeper> hi bob
20100916 21:41:30< Bob_The_Mighty> hello
20100916 21:42:30-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 21:47:17< eleazzaar> zookeeper: surprise...
20100916 21:47:27< CIA-35> eleazar * r46546 /trunk/ (27 files in 3 dirs): 
20100916 21:47:27< CIA-35> Any Castle or Keep except Dwarvish can now be combined without large gaps or
20100916 21:47:27< CIA-35> extra walls. Of course the graphics often don't fit next to each other very
20100916 21:47:27< CIA-35> well, but if it's a failure, it's a much more graceful failure than we used to
20100916 21:47:27< CIA-35> have.
20100916 21:47:50< zookeeper> yay \o/
20100916 21:48:12< eleazzaar> the WML is actually simpler now
20100916 21:49:24< eleazzaar> the bad part is encampment gets used in between a lot-- whatever is last on the list gets used to fill in the cracks so to speak
20100916 21:50:50-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 21:52:46-!- stikonas_ [~and@ctv-213-164-99-190.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 21:52:47-!- stikonas_ [~and@ctv-213-164-99-190.vinita.lt] has quit [Changing host]
20100916 21:52:47-!- stikonas_ [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 21:54:56-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
20100916 21:56:53-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@dhip-164.foss.residences.colby.edu] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 21:56:55-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-176-19.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20100916 22:01:36-!- eleazzaar [~jbjerk@ppp-70-226-224-2.dsl.spfdil.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: eleazzaar]
20100916 22:05:07-!- eleazzaar [~jbjerk@ppp-70-226-224-2.dsl.spfdil.ameritech.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 22:14:52-!- EdB [~edb@70.103.89-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100916 22:15:16< mordante> I'm off night
20100916 22:15:41-!- mordante [~mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20100916 22:19:25-!- Unnheulu [~ieuan@cpc5-pnth2-0-0-cust800.5-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
20100916 22:23:03-!- Upthorn [~ogmar@69.62.144.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
20100916 22:26:22-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
20100916 22:27:58-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 22:29:26-!- ilor__3 [~ilor@ava150.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 22:31:44-!- ilor__ [~ilor@auo10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
20100916 22:33:38-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
20100916 22:38:17< noy> zookeeper: around?
20100916 22:39:31< noy> anybody tell me what file format music uses?
20100916 22:39:40-!- norbert_ [~norbert@82-171-70-54.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 22:40:00< thespaceinvader> noy: .ogg usually
20100916 22:40:03< norbert_> shadowmaster: I'm asking for a two day ban because I bring up a request I made to forum moderators publicly?
20100916 22:40:06< noy> thats what I thought. 
20100916 22:40:20< noy> thanks
20100916 22:40:21< thespaceinvader> some of it's wav i think as well, but ogg is compressed
20100916 22:40:28< thespaceinvader> anything lossless IIRC
20100916 22:40:31< noy> well both are industry standards
20100916 22:40:34< norbert_> isn't it my choice to decide whether or not I tell others what requests I made with the mods?
20100916 22:40:35< shadowmaster> norbert_: no, you are asking for a two day ban because you didn't eat your veggies :)
20100916 22:40:41< norbert_> very funny
20100916 22:40:47< shadowmaster> wasn't I clear enough in the thread?
20100916 22:40:50< norbert_> no
20100916 22:40:52< shadowmaster> and no, it's not your choice.
20100916 22:40:56< noy> norbert_: you can't just ask one moderator. 
20100916 22:41:03< noy> that would be open to abuse. 
20100916 22:41:20< norbert_> shadowmaster: why is that not my choice?
20100916 22:41:31< noy> its like asking one parent for permission and expecting them not to tell the other. 
20100916 22:41:35< thespaceinvader> on an entirely separate note btw, dates for the diary of any europeans: FOSDEM is 5th and 6th February.  I'm aiming to actually turn up this year.
20100916 22:41:37< shadowmaster> norbert_: if you read the other thread you'd notice that we have already said that we are discussing the issue in our own channels.
20100916 22:41:38< norbert_> noy: http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31657
20100916 22:41:54< shadowmaster> norbert_: so there's no need for you to throw more wood to the fire in a public thread.
20100916 22:42:17< noy> yeah, so? 
20100916 22:42:22< norbert_> "our own channels" is pretty vague
20100916 22:42:48< shadowmaster> we don't have any obligation to clarify what we mean with that phrase you are quoting.
20100916 22:43:00< noy> yeah we spoke about it in the moderators channel. 
20100916 22:43:22< norbert_> ok, it's clear what your stance is and how you look at the privileges of moderators
20100916 22:43:41< shadowmaster> s/look at/define/
20100916 22:43:47< noy> Well you can't bring something to one moderator and then expect it not to be discussed by all of them. 
20100916 22:44:09< norbert_> shadowmaster: does noy understand what we're discussing?
20100916 22:44:47< shadowmaster>  sure, because he's like me a forum admin and a coordinator of the Forum Moderators group.
20100916 22:45:07< norbert_> and because he's like you he understands what we're discussing
20100916 22:45:23< shadowmaster> because he has access to the same information.
20100916 22:45:41< shadowmaster>  and he's also involved in our discussion on the matter.
20100916 22:46:02< shadowmaster> you seem to be doubting/ignoring our ability to work on things as a team.
20100916 22:46:19< zookeeper> wtf
20100916 22:46:37 * zookeeper can't see anything coherent in the whole discussion
20100916 22:48:05< norbert_> when I wrote "what we're discussing" I didn't mean the use of (anti-)religious texts, but your use of "our own channels", you locking the thread, banning someone, and writing I'm asking for the same because I publicly mention a request I made with all the moderators
20100916 22:48:47< Gambit> norbert_: I have a good question. What possible result could come of a public discussion of your request?
20100916 22:49:02< norbert_> Gambit: I have another question first, are you religious?
20100916 22:49:05< Gambit> Answer: useless speculation by people not in a position to do anything anyways.
20100916 22:49:10< norbert_> Answer: yes
20100916 22:49:17< Gambit> Wow.
20100916 22:49:26< Gambit> I have no obligation to answer you.
20100916 22:49:33< noy> norbert_: go away
20100916 22:49:37< noy> seriously. 
20100916 22:49:39< norbert_> neither do I, but since you answered your question to me, I did the same
20100916 22:49:46< norbert_> noy: I will
20100916 22:49:47-!- norbert_ [~norbert@82-171-70-54.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20100916 22:49:57< noy> That was surprisingly easy. 
20100916 22:50:00< zookeeper> sigh
20100916 22:50:00< shadowmaster> for the gods' sake.
20100916 22:50:03< Gambit> He's log stalking.
20100916 22:50:27< shadowmaster> sure, but we will take it to our secret channel were we aren't working on secret conspiracies , totally
20100916 22:50:28< noy> good to know. I really don't care. He came here looking for a confrontation and he got one. 
20100916 22:50:33< shadowmaster> ;)
20100916 22:50:48< thespaceinvader> well, that was fun
20100916 22:50:50< thespaceinvader> so
20100916 22:50:54< thespaceinvader> who's coming to FOSDEM?
20100916 22:50:57< noy> back to our evil plans
20100916 22:51:11< noy> I was considering throwing in a presentation proposal
20100916 22:51:16< shadowmaster> FOSDEM is in February, isn't it?
20100916 22:51:16< thespaceinvader> cool
20100916 22:51:17< noy> but I've been too busy to do so
20100916 22:51:18< thespaceinvader> yeah
20100916 22:51:19-!- og01 [~og01@78-86-196-163.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 22:51:28< thespaceinvader> 5th and 6th, the dates have gone up over the past week or two
20100916 22:51:32< thespaceinvader> i just checked them today
20100916 22:51:40< shadowmaster> I mean, it's a bit too soon to ask who'll be able to get there next year ;)
20100916 22:51:48< shadowmaster> plans can change, etc.
20100916 22:51:50< og01> hey guys, just wanted to know if the source for the addon server is avaliable?
20100916 22:51:56< thespaceinvader> 5 months ain't that long :P
20100916 22:52:05< shadowmaster> og01: it is
20100916 22:52:16< shadowmaster> og01:  but you might need to consult a psychiatrist before reading them
20100916 22:52:30< thespaceinvader> and if so, where can it be found, would be the next question i presume :D
20100916 22:52:36< shadowmaster> src/campaign_server/ in the source tarball
20100916 22:52:39< og01> shadowmaster: I went they couldnt help me
20100916 22:52:51< shadowmaster> og01: we don't recommend prolonged exposure to campaignd's source code
20100916 22:52:57< shadowmaster> it may be harmful for your health.
20100916 22:53:16< og01> oh so the campaign server is the addon server?
20100916 22:53:21< og01> that misled me :)
20100916 22:53:30< shadowmaster> well, yes.
20100916 22:53:42< shadowmaster> it's a historical artifact since there were only campaign add-ons at the beginning of the whole add-ons thing
20100916 22:53:53< og01> makes sense
20100916 22:54:00< shadowmaster> multiplayer and multipler add-ons came later
20100916 22:54:34< og01> right ok, well i'll see if i can get one running then!
20100916 22:55:20< Ivanovic> okay, writing the 1.9.1 announcement tomorrow in the morning
20100916 22:55:28< shadowmaster> running it is the easiest part, as long as you are running Linux.
20100916 22:55:34< Ivanovic> heading off to bed now since it feels like i am about to fetch a cold...
20100916 22:55:49< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: ouch
20100916 22:55:56< shadowmaster> I've been like that since Monday as well.
20100916 22:56:00< og01> shadowmaster: yeah, just wanted a server with a small subset of the plugins, for our little comunitie
20100916 22:56:37< og01> shadowmaster: wont be a problem getting it running, so long as we have the source
20100916 22:57:30-!- GNUtoo|laptop [~gnutoo@host55-144-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
20100916 22:57:35-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 22:57:41-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: released 1.9.1, announcing soon | 157 bugs, 296 feature requests, 15 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100916 23:00:06< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: so far it is only a sore throat
20100916 23:00:16< shadowmaster> yay, me too.
20100916 23:00:31< noy> do my old method Ivanovic; drink a litre of orange juice
20100916 23:00:39< noy> and the good kind, from florida or spain
20100916 23:01:05 * shadowmaster eats oranges.
20100916 23:01:21< zookeeper> i also have this idea that eating oranges when i start to feel like i might be getting sick helps
20100916 23:01:32-!- GNUtoo|laptop [~gnutoo@host55-144-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 23:01:51-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@dhip-164.foss.residences.colby.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
20100916 23:02:46-!- stikonas_ [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
20100916 23:03:56< shadowmaster> what ever happened to ilor anyway? I've not heard of him for months
20100916 23:04:10-!- stikonas_ [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 23:04:19< shadowmaster> although I've seen him reading the forums from time to time.
20100916 23:05:09< noy> oh and gargle the back of your throat with a really strong mouthwash
20100916 23:06:05-!- stikonas_ [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100916 23:11:19-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 23:13:31-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
20100916 23:14:46< thespaceinvader> seems norbert has rage quit http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=456578#p456578
20100916 23:15:37< Gambit> Oh come on that's not fair. He kept a little more dignity than a rage quit.
20100916 23:15:42< Gambit> :P
20100916 23:15:52-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 23:15:55< Gambit> I'll be impressed if he stays away.
20100916 23:16:03< Gambit> I don't see it happening though.
20100916 23:16:09< shadowmaster> ssh, remember our secret conspiracy.
20100916 23:16:12< shadowmaster> we need you there.
20100916 23:16:25-!- alink [~alink@wesnoth/developer/alink] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20100916 23:16:27< Gambit> Heh?
20100916 23:20:54-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
20100916 23:27:07-!- MeccaGod [~majs@h14n4fls31o279.telia.com] has quit []
20100916 23:29:59-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-176-19.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 23:31:07-!- ilor__3 [~ilor@ava150.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
20100916 23:31:53-!- thespaceinvader [~chatzilla@wesnoth/artist/thespaceinvader] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]]
20100916 23:31:55-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 23:33:40-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 23:34:14-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
20100916 23:34:38-!- GNUtoo|laptop [~gnutoo@host55-144-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.]
20100916 23:35:06-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-185-8-197.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit]
20100916 23:35:25-!- johndh [84aa0a2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.132.170.10.45] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 23:36:23-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20100916 23:39:47-!- grzywacz [~grzywacz@wesnoth/developer/grzywacz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
--- Log closed Fri Sep 17 00:00:18 2010