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20100922 00:06:26< boucman> ok, night all
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20100922 00:27:33< eleazzaar> zookeeper: the reason the old lava is going away is the same reason i've removed so many other old graphics:  because i've replaced them with something better.  Occasionally the old graphics work better for some niche purpose, and i try to be careful there.  Two mainline campaigns that don't use the old graphics, but maybe should, just isn't compelling enough.  I haven't kept any other of the old graphics that have a concei
20100922 00:27:33< eleazzaar> use the new ones don't fulfill, i.e. the old ford, the old overgrown path, etc.  That's pretty much the way Wesnoth Art goes.
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20100922 00:37:01< zookeeper> eleazzaar, you were cut off at "have a concei"
20100922 00:37:14 * zookeeper guesses "conceivable use"
20100922 00:37:29< zookeeper> oh, right, there was just a few characters cut out
20100922 00:37:32< eleazzaar> I haven't kept any other of the old graphics that have a conceivable use the new ones don't fulfill, i.e. the old ford, the old overgrown path, etc.  That's pretty much the way Wesnoth Art goes.
20100922 00:38:05< eleazzaar> the whole thing displayed for me...
20100922 00:39:33< zookeeper> ok, well, if you really really really don't want to keep it, then i'll just add it as a custom terrain whenever i end up needing it
20100922 00:42:48< eleazzaar> i regret that it causes you inconvenience-- but yeah, i really don't want to keep it
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20100922 01:56:05< CIA-35> eleazar * r46648 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/ (7 files in 2 dirs): fixing assorted transition glitches.
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20100922 17:44:24< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46653 /trunk/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/18_Northern_Alliance.cfg: An apostrophe fix.
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20100922 18:00:09< anonymissimus> zookeeper: why do you use : in NEW:FOREST or what does that mean as opposed to _ ?
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20100922 18:08:11< zookeeper> anonymissimus, uh, no particular reason. : seems nicer as a sort of a namespace-like thing than _ which is just a whitespace substitute.
20100922 18:15:04< anonymissimus> aha, so it has no special meaning to the preprocessor, it's just eye candy
20100922 18:25:21< zookeeper> yeah
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20100922 19:06:05< anonymissimus> who is user "Jacobian" in the wiki ? he wrote some questionable stuff about the sighted event
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20100922 19:07:43< zookeeper> anonymissimus, no idea. is what he wrote wrong?
20100922 19:08:12< anonymissimus> not quite; he didn't mention that its very buggy however
20100922 19:08:38< zookeeper> well, he did write that "This makes the sighted event unreliable: It may or may not fire, depending on the user actions."
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20100922 19:24:38< anonymissimus> yes but that's at the end and it's a bug
20100922 19:25:05< anonymissimus> anyway now the docs look like they should imo :P
20100922 19:25:26< anonymissimus> his description of ho the event should work is good however
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20100922 19:38:24< Ivanovic> AI0867, beetlenaut, boucman, fendrin, Gambit, ilor, loonycyborg, Soliton, thespaceinvader, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: what do you think of 1.8.5 on friday?
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20100922 19:38:34< boucman> ok here...
20100922 19:38:45< Ivanovic> possibly the last 1.8.x release unless some huge translation changes take place or some grave security issue is found and fixed
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20100922 19:43:59< Ivanovic> crab_: please make sure to have a look at the gsoc mentor ml (something about the summit)
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20100922 19:47:26< Ivanovic> hi billynux
20100922 19:47:29< Ivanovic> nice to see you around
20100922 19:47:30< billynux> hi Ivanovic, I want to add proxy connection support via command line for 1.8.5
20100922 19:47:37< Ivanovic> billynux: you saw the comment regarding the crash?
20100922 19:47:44< Ivanovic> billynux: hui, uhm, okay
20100922 19:47:47< billynux> nice to be around, time is killing me lately
20100922 19:47:54< Ivanovic> does the old server support this?
20100922 19:48:11< Ivanovic> that is: personally i would not mind if such support was exclusive to the dev series
20100922 19:48:11< billynux> Ivanovic, which comment/bug #?
20100922 19:48:34< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?16618
20100922 19:48:36< billynux> There hasn't been proxy support, ever
20100922 19:48:49< Ivanovic> yes, i know that there has not been proxy support
20100922 19:49:13< Ivanovic> but 1.8 is (network wise) completely different from 1.9.x simply due to using sdl-net and not the new boost lib
20100922 19:49:37< Ivanovic> so adding this to 1.8 would be bad, especially since it requires a change in the manpages which would require an additional week of waiting
20100922 19:49:58< Ivanovic> (since the string policy is that translators got 1 week time to fix any new/changed strings before a release is out)
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20100922 19:50:10< billynux> Ivanovic, yes, I saw those comments, but the bug always seemed a duplicate
20100922 19:50:18< Ivanovic> with other words: make this an exclusive >=1.9.2 feature
20100922 19:50:22< Ivanovic> billynux: talk to Soliton
20100922 19:50:31< Ivanovic> billynux: i think that the server itself is crashing every now and then
20100922 19:50:40< Ivanovic> and this seems to be the related bug report with most information
20100922 19:50:51< Ivanovic> wesnothd crashing is worse than no proxy support in 1.8.x
20100922 19:50:52< Ivanovic> ;)
20100922 19:51:43< billynux> Ivanovic, ok, I understand. But, is wesnothd or wesnoth crashing due to network issues with trunk code?
20100922 19:51:56< Ivanovic> billynux: it is crashing with the latest code
20100922 19:52:07< Ivanovic> and it is likely that it is due to network code since IIRC nothing was changed
20100922 19:52:22< Ivanovic> regarding the backtrace in that post i'd say that it is very asio related
20100922 19:52:29< Ivanovic> and only the new network layer uses it
20100922 19:52:46< Ivanovic>  at src/ana/src/asio_sender.cpp:127 
20100922 19:53:51< billynux> Ingmar, yes. And is there any way I can reproduce it?
20100922 19:53:51< Ivanovic> and Soliton already said that it seems to be some king of race condition so there are no clean steps for reproducing, just those backtraces
20100922 19:54:03< billynux> hmm
20100922 19:54:14< Ivanovic> just as it is written in comment #5 in the bug report
20100922 19:54:18< Ivanovic> the bt is in comment #3
20100922 19:54:42< Ivanovic> and i think Soliton already posted some backtrace when you last talked with each other, not 100% sure though
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20100922 19:55:48< billynux> Soliton, Ivanovic, any idea as to how often does this bug manifest?
20100922 19:56:50< Ivanovic> considering that the 1.9 server is barely used (not many players, at least regarding http://wesnothd.wesnoth.org ): it crashes very often!
20100922 19:59:57< billynux> Ivanovic, ok, so my best guess ATM is also some form of concurrency issue. But I do need to catch the bug running it myself
20100922 20:00:45< Ivanovic> billynux: then start your own server, have many clients connect, play with several of them, end some games while others last and whatever
20100922 20:00:52< Ivanovic> (basically: generate normal server load)
20100922 20:00:59< Ivanovic> or ask Soliton for further backtraces
20100922 20:01:33< billynux> Ivanovic, ok, I'll try that tonight then, and I hope to catch it
20100922 20:01:38< Ivanovic> that is: the information is basically only available on your real server, so if you need extra information ask soliton for it
20100922 20:02:12< Ivanovic> if there is no easy way to get the information, implement some function that dumps additional stuff, ask Soliton to rebuild the server, wait for the next crash and ask him for the logs
20100922 20:03:19< billynux> Ivanovic, ok. If and when I get bug to manifest on my pc I should be fine in fixing it. I'm just worried that under sub-normal load it won't occur
20100922 20:03:42< Ivanovic> yes, that is why you got to work with what is available, eg the backtrace
20100922 20:04:00< Ivanovic> personally i'd guess that looking for the pure virtual function that is called might be a good idea
20100922 20:05:25< zookeeper> Ivanovic, friday sounds good to me
20100922 20:07:31< billynux> Ivanovic, the "pure virtual" sounds related to something else, so it could be a separate report
20100922 20:08:09< Ivanovic> billynux: with the available backtrace so far i'd look for this one, fix it and have Soliton recompile the binary *anyway*
20100922 20:08:16< Ivanovic> once issue fixed is one issue fixed!
20100922 20:08:31< Ivanovic> s/once/one
20100922 20:10:18< thespaceinvader> Ivanovic: i think so, yeah.  I might want to do one commit on drake portraits, I can't remember if I updated the burner and fighter into 1.8
20100922 20:11:11< thespaceinvader> I did, so yeah, from my end everythign's fine
20100922 20:15:23< billynux> Ivanovic, I want to try changing network_ana.cpp:195 to ana_manager.disconnect( handle );. I'm thinking this should help, first, it won't issue the TODO exception, second the server shouldn't have a problem with the disconnected component
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20100922 20:15:37< billynux> it will take me some  time to update and compile though
20100922 20:24:53< zookeeper> boucman, got time?
20100922 20:25:01< boucman> sure
20100922 20:25:18< zookeeper> boucman, ok, i got a problem with the DRAKE_UNWALKABLE_TERRAINS macro in animation-utils.cfg
20100922 20:25:38< boucman> checking...
20100922 20:25:40< zookeeper> that is, i wanted to change that to W*,Chs,Chw,S*,Q*,!,Wwf,*^B*
20100922 20:26:01< zookeeper> which should match all water terrains, but not ford, and also not any bridge
20100922 20:26:52< boucman> yes
20100922 20:27:01< zookeeper> however, it ends up working pretty erratically; if you want to test it, DW's first scenario has all those terrains
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20100922 20:29:05< boucman> hmm, I never really understood the "!" logic, but I don't think it does what you expect it to do
20100922 20:29:29< boucman> i.e A,!,B is translated into A or (not B)
20100922 20:29:52< boucman> so your line would be (among other) W* or not Wwf
20100922 20:30:06< boucman> which would cover everything...
20100922 20:30:17< boucman> but again my understanding of "!" isn't good
20100922 20:30:29< billynux> Anybody know why I get this warning in trunk's code: src/lua/lcode.c:243: error: ‘v’ may be used uninitialized in this function ?
20100922 20:41:28< zookeeper> right
20100922 20:41:49< zookeeper> boucman, your guess sounds likely
20100922 20:42:13< boucman> does it match what you observe ?
20100922 20:43:30< zookeeper> yes; the drakes fly just about everywhere
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20100922 20:44:24< zookeeper> so it looks like you can't make a filter which matches "all W* except WWf" using a single terrain=
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20100922 20:44:54< boucman> zookeeper: I can't see any easy way to do it, no...
20100922 20:45:15< boucman> though that syntax is clunky and woud be great to upgrade at some point
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20100922 20:49:09< billynux> Soliton, Ivanovic, check next commit
20100922 20:49:27< CIA-35> billynux * r46654 /trunk/src/ (ana/apps/chat/server.cpp game.cpp network_ana.cpp): 
20100922 20:49:27< CIA-35> Fix a TODO in network_ana.cpp. The queue_disconnect invocation should hold the
20100922 20:49:27< CIA-35> same logic as a standard disconnect in the current implementation (after reading
20100922 20:49:27< CIA-35> comments for queue_disconnect in network.hpp.) I also added some command line
20100922 20:49:27< CIA-35> options to game.cpp (commented at the moment) that will help implement support
20100922 20:49:27< CIA-35> for connection trhough proxy.
20100922 20:49:38< zookeeper> boucman, ok, i think i'll have to rewrite those animation filters to be a bit more complicated then
20100922 20:49:39< billynux> Soliton, if you could use this version I would appreciate it. It should at least fix the queue_disconnect TODO exception
20100922 20:50:08< boucman> indeed, I'm not sure how else to do it, except upgrade the syntax...
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20100922 20:56:04< zookeeper> boucman, i changed the animation filters like this (using macros of course, but expanded in the paste): http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/ju7VJG5F
20100922 20:56:26< zookeeper> it works, but strangely enough the drakes still land on swamp villages, which i don't understand.
20100922 20:56:47< boucman> what's the code for swamp village ?
20100922 20:56:57< zookeeper> Ss^Vsomething
20100922 20:57:23< zookeeper> oh, and the same happens in water villages too (Ww^Vsomething)
20100922 20:58:57< boucman> could you try on something with a "^" in the terrain code that is neither a village nor a bridge ?
20100922 20:59:21< boucman> it acts as if W* didn't match W*^* (which would be weird, but we should check this)
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20100922 21:01:40< CIA-35> ivanovic * r46655 /trunk/po/wesnoth-units/ (52 files): apply latest pofix.py to all po(t) files
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20100922 21:04:40< CIA-35> ivanovic * r46656 /branches/1.8/po/ (wesnoth-httt/vi.po wesnoth-sotbe/vi.po): updated Vietnamese translation
20100922 21:04:42< CIA-35> ivanovic * r46657 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): updated Vietnamese translation
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20100922 21:07:40< zookeeper> boucman, hmmh, yeah, they land also on Ww^Dr (that's the rubble overlay)
20100922 21:10:10< zookeeper> boucman, but if a filter like X* really doesn't match any X*^* terrains, i'd expect that to have affected a lot of stuff. or maybe we've just been lucky.
20100922 21:11:02< zookeeper> i have a vague memory of mordante telling me that if i wanted to match all X* terrains but no X*^* terrains, i should use X*^ as the filter. that'd imply that the current behaviour is a bug, but i might also be remembering wrong.
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20100922 21:11:24< boucman> I don't know... do we use the ! a lot ? we don't use it much in terrain, and when it's a complete SLF (by opposition to a lonely terrain= line WML authors might have been using [not]
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20100922 21:35:43< zookeeper> boucman, no, ! isn't used a lot, but wildcards are
20100922 21:43:16< zookeeper> i suspect it might cause some problems now that embellishments and such are used a lot more; G* might have matched grasslands before, but now if someone places small stones embellishments there, it won't match those locations anymore...
20100922 21:48:23< eleazzaar> zookeeper: if you want to filter out ford (assuming it works the same as in terrain-graphics)
20100922 21:48:35< eleazzaar> you need to put the excluded thing first i.e.
20100922 21:48:51< eleazzaar> !,Wwf,!,W*
20100922 21:49:06< eleazzaar> that would give you all water except ford
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20100922 21:53:11< zookeeper> eleazzaar, humm. trying...
20100922 21:54:32< zookeeper> eleazzaar, ah, you're right, that works. thanks
20100922 21:54:35< eleazzaar> np
20100922 21:55:22< eleazzaar> also i'm pretty sure X* matches weather or not there is an overlay layer
20100922 21:56:03< eleazzaar> overlays would break all kinds of stuff otherwise
20100922 21:56:20< eleazzaar> i've been using more and more wildcards
20100922 21:56:44< boucman> thx eleazzaar
20100922 21:58:23< Ivanovic> terrain vodoo...
20100922 21:58:39< Ivanovic> have you tried sacrificing some rubber chicken?
20100922 21:58:43< zookeeper> eleazzaar, nope, W* doesn't match Ww^Vm
20100922 21:59:06< boucman> we're all out of rubber chickens...
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20100922 22:34:06< anonymissimus> eleazzaar: is the issue posted about in http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30992&p=457624#p457624 actually terrain-related ?
20100922 22:35:29< anonymissimus> (your last post; I'd rather expect that shroud behavior has somehow changed, or maybe not at all...)
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