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20100905 01:24:51< Killcycle> Ello
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20100905 10:36:32< Ivanovic> moin
20100905 10:36:55< Killcycle> what is moin?
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20100905 10:40:54< hylje> hello in french i think
20100905 10:41:03< hylje> that means it's more sophisticate
20100905 10:41:04< hylje> d
20100905 10:41:27< Killcycle> Heh, suppose that makes sense. Heard it a few times in here, started to wonder.
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20100905 10:43:51< hylje> asking typically helps against confusionn
20100905 10:44:10< Ivanovic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moin
20100905 10:44:52< hylje> ah, german
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20100905 10:55:22-!- Topic for #wesnoth: Wesnoth User Channel | http://www.wesnoth.org/ | Social channel: #wesnoth-offtopic | Latest stable version: 1.8.4 | Latest development version: 1.9.0 | Public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100905 10:55:22-!- Topic set by Shadowmaster [~ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] [Wed Aug 25 22:16:47 2010]
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20100905 10:55:22-!- Irssi: #wesnoth: Total of 54 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 54 normal]
20100905 10:55:23-!- Home page for #wesnoth: http://www.wesnoth.org
20100905 10:55:32-!- Channel #wesnoth created Sun Nov 26 07:42:43 2006
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20100905 11:02:11< kian_> hi
20100905 11:03:51< hylje> hello
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20100905 11:04:03< Killcycle> hey there 
20100905 11:07:31< hylje> how many of us play recent trunk builds?
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20100905 11:08:07< Killcycle> I doubt I do, as I've only started playing since about a week and a half ago =P
20100905 11:08:34< hylje> heh
20100905 11:08:37-!- Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte
20100905 11:08:43< hylje> i took my time too
20100905 11:09:02< hylje> but before long i fired up the apt-get and here i go
20100905 11:10:26< hylje> pretty nice little things i've noticed so far
20100905 11:10:36< hylje> like tooltips
20100905 11:10:51 * Killcycle has no idea what apt-get is, either that or it's just too late(early), heh. (2am)
20100905 11:12:05< hylje> it's a thing that helped me get the stuff i need to get the freshest wesnoth
20100905 11:13:08< Killcycle> ah. I've only messed with 1.9 and a tiny bit of 1.8.4 campaign wise, no add ons or anything else in particular
20100905 11:13:31< hylje> plenty of campaigns to bash through
20100905 11:13:39< hylje> although i think some fatigue kicked in for me
20100905 11:14:00< Killcycle> Hahaha, yeah. I powered through the Southern Guard in one night, then had to step away for a few days
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20100905 11:14:47< Killcycle> Now i'm stuck on the Siege of Elensefar on the heir campaign (normal), and it appears it's a devilishly hard scenario.
20100905 11:15:40< hylje> plenty of difficult maps in httt
20100905 11:16:10< Killcycle> I'm the type that can never start a game on easy, I always have to put it to normal, even if i'm getting my arse kicked in
20100905 11:16:44< hylje> despite making it through hilariously skewed missions i still don't feel too adventurous when i encounter a new one
20100905 11:18:11< Killcycle> If I can get myself through a tough one, I can care less about the next one so long as I'm still alive :)
20100905 11:19:02< hylje> yeah
20100905 11:19:23< hylje> i think all of the missions can be beaten with fresh recruits with default starting gold
20100905 11:20:11< Killcycle> Well I can't have hoped to master the game in a week, so one day I'll probably be able to do that.
20100905 11:20:53< hylje> ooh there's a new alignment that works best in dawn and dusk
20100905 11:21:07< Killcycle> Not sparkly vampires, I hope
20100905 11:22:08< zookeeper> Killcycle, yeah, it's a lot harder on normal than on easy; if you want, you can use http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/branches/1.8/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/scenarios/06_The_Siege_of_Elensefar.cfg?rev=45900 in place of the existing scenario file. that has new balancing changes which should make it easier on normal, and which isn't in 1.8.4.
20100905 11:22:43< Killcycle> So that's for 1.9.0?
20100905 11:23:25< zookeeper> no, for 1.8.5
20100905 11:23:58< Killcycle> I thought 1.8.4 was the most recent in the 1.8 line. I'll have to re-check that.
20100905 11:24:25< zookeeper> yes, and that's a change that will be in 1.8.5
20100905 11:25:38< Killcycle> Any chance that'll work for the 1.9 as well? (I feel like I should know the answer to this..)
20100905 11:25:53< hylje> i think it was hard but in no way too hard, i managed to beat it in the last turn..
20100905 11:26:41< zookeeper> Killcycle, probably, but for 1.9.0 you should use http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?rev=45886&view=rev instead
20100905 11:28:19< hylje> zookeeper: i have a trunk HEAD from two days ago, I noticed the distract ability help had a syntax error that prevented viewing it
20100905 11:28:54< hylje> hmm, i think i better just visit the bug tracker, wherever it is..
20100905 11:28:58< zookeeper> hylje, oh?
20100905 11:29:05< zookeeper> i'll take a look at it, just a sec...
20100905 11:29:35< Killcycle> zookeeper: I'm not sure how to get that into the scenario file (or to replace it). Clicking "download" only brings the text up alone, and i'm not sure I have the correct program to open .cfg files
20100905 11:30:11< hylje> use the browser's save as function
20100905 11:30:17< zookeeper> yeah
20100905 11:30:33< hylje> find wesnoth's data dir and from there the campaign's directory tree
20100905 11:30:47< hylje> and replace the scenario there with the one you just saved
20100905 11:31:12< hylje> wesnoth reads the cfgs as scenarios
20100905 11:32:09< zookeeper> hylje, right, i see the distract error, i'll see if i can fix it easily...
20100905 11:34:26< Killcycle> Cool, got it, thanks.
20100905 11:34:43< hylje> you're welcome
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20100905 11:36:30< zookeeper> hylje, ok, thanks, the distract bug is fixed now
20100905 11:36:56< hylje> no, thank YOU! :)
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20100905 11:38:27< hylje> a turnaround time of eight minutes
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20100905 11:40:07< Killcycle> As a side note, this room seems fairly "dead" for having 57 people in here. I've not noticed much activity at all in here, actually o.O
20100905 11:40:58< hylje> there's not many active people around these parts
20100905 11:41:31< hylje> i think the activity is more focused around the mailing lists and special groups
20100905 11:41:41< hylje> like UMC developers, the forums
20100905 11:41:58< Killcycle> Pity. I love chatting D:
20100905 11:42:43< hylje> just need more people tracking nightly builds and commenting on cool stuff here
20100905 11:42:51< hylje> and of course playing each other
20100905 11:43:02< Killcycle> hehe 
20100905 11:43:34< Killcycle> MP server for 1.9 is still near entirely dead. :/ and 1.8 seems to, while always having 100 games going, never to have any open ones o.O
20100905 11:43:50< hylje> 1.8 usually has three or so open games
20100905 11:44:02< hylje> the filter is super helpful in filtering the not open games out
20100905 11:44:07< Ivanovic> the 1.9 server is most likely especially empty because "join default server" does not work
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20100905 11:44:26< Ivanovic> plus it is a development release and less people do use it compared to the stable series
20100905 11:44:35< Killcycle> 'Course. 
20100905 11:44:41< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Doesn't the default server redirect (yet)?
20100905 11:44:54< Ivanovic> Rhonda: redirection is broken due to a bug
20100905 11:45:10< Ivanovic> (the client lib crashes in 1.9.0, will be fixed in 1.9.1)
20100905 11:45:14< Rhonda> Anyway, I really want to get the 1.9 Debian package finished and uploaded directly to unstable so people can have both 1.8 and 1.9 installed. :)
20100905 11:45:17< hylje> how does netplay deal with random builds off trunk?
20100905 11:45:27< Killcycle> Still, it's not much trouble entering the server name server.wesnoth.org:14997 :P
20100905 11:45:31< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Oh, brown paper bag release? :)
20100905 11:45:50< hylje> Killcycle: that's pretty arcane for the less acquintanced
20100905 11:46:04< Killcycle> Rhonda: What do you mean? I have both of them installed at the same time o.O
20100905 11:46:16< Killcycle> hylje: I guess I just like magic ;)
20100905 11:46:46< Rhonda> Killcycle: Right. But not through the official Debian packages. :)
20100905 11:46:59< Killcycle> I'll figure out what that is eventually.
20100905 11:47:02< Rhonda> And I hope that to get more people onto the dev servers.
20100905 11:48:36< zookeeper> Killcycle, btw, if you try out that new scenario file, then please do tell how much easier (if any) it seems compared to the old
20100905 11:49:06< Killcycle> zookeeper: I'll be sure to let you know.
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20100905 11:49:12< zookeeper> there shouldn't be a huge difference, but hopefully it's enough to make it more manageable
20100905 11:49:38< Killcycle> Well, from the description it would appear the zombie blitzkreig is slightly less ominous
20100905 11:49:48< hylje> you seem to be looking for playtesting, so which campaign of a recent trunk head could use the most playing?
20100905 11:50:32< hylje> heh, the north lich seemed to spam skeletons for me in 1.8
20100905 11:50:33< zookeeper> hylje, hmm...
20100905 11:51:17< zookeeper> hylje, i'd suggest TRoW, i've been making quite a few changes to it lately
20100905 11:51:42< zookeeper> of course DW is new in mainline so could use playtesting too
20100905 11:52:10< hylje> that's good since i started playing trow yesterday
20100905 11:52:49< zookeeper> most of my TRoW changes have been elimination of those annoying landmines that were really numerous and annoying in the latter half of the campaign
20100905 11:53:09< hylje> as in "lol play the mission again" tricks?
20100905 11:53:23< zookeeper> yeah, as in you step on location x and have 3 chocobones appear next to you as a really fun surprise
20100905 11:54:10< hylje> i'm in i think the fourth mission now, no issues so far
20100905 11:54:24< zookeeper> midlands or swamps?
20100905 11:54:27< hylje> midlands
20100905 11:54:30< zookeeper> okay
20100905 11:56:08< zookeeper> most of the annoying surprises start(ed) from peoples in decline
20100905 11:56:16< zookeeper> like the sea serpents in a rough landing
20100905 12:00:21< Killcycle> zookeeper: I'll try it out tomorrow at some point; I'm too beat to think properly to play it, let alone make any worthwile observations
20100905 12:01:24< zookeeper> Killcycle, sure
20100905 12:02:14< zookeeper> and i'll read the logs so you can leave me comments here even if i'm not around
20100905 12:03:22< Killcycle> Cool. Should I leave 'em in a PM?
20100905 12:03:36< Killcycle> Er, wait if you're not here...
20100905 12:03:45< Killcycle> See what I mean? I need some sleep, heh.
20100905 12:03:51< zookeeper> yeah ;) here on the channel is fine
20100905 12:04:38< Killcycle> btw, a question before I sleep
20100905 12:05:21< Killcycle> Are you one of the um. Whaddya call it. Coders? for the core game
20100905 12:05:32< zookeeper> developers? yeah
20100905 12:06:03< Killcycle> Cool. I am in awe of your presence, o wise and powerful one.
20100905 12:06:09< Killcycle> :D
20100905 12:07:13< zookeeper> uh...
20100905 12:07:22< hylje> yay
20100905 12:07:53< hylje> i'm gonna file a couple bugs about full screen toggle and visible game area in windowed
20100905 12:08:11< hylje> can you say whether it's reasonable to be able to play wesnoth with less than 600 vertical pixels?
20100905 12:09:37< zookeeper> i'm not sure, i don't really keep tabs on that stuff
20100905 12:09:48< hylje> alright
20100905 12:10:18< zookeeper> but i do think 600 sounds like a reasonable lower limit ;)
20100905 12:10:24< Killcycle> Anyways, off to dea-- bed with me. Have fun guys xD (And zookeeper, your secret is safe for me) 
20100905 12:10:26< hylje> netbook w/ display resoution 1024x600 here, windowed mode's 30 pixels for top panel seems to not communicate well to the game graphics, leaving bottom unreachable
20100905 12:10:50< Killcycle> WITH* me.
20100905 12:10:53< Killcycle> Sleep now.
20100905 12:11:02< hylje> this combined with full screen toggle insisting on mode-changing to 1024x768 (unsupported) and thus not working makes multitasking hard
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20100905 13:05:10< joo> hylje: maybe submit a ticket at bugs.wesnoth.org?
20100905 13:05:29< joo> Or go into #wesnoth-dev
20100905 13:05:57< joo> *and/or
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20100905 16:10:04< hylje> finally
20100905 16:10:10< hylje> full screen toggle bug filed
20100905 16:34:48< hylje> i love how terrain pieces automagically fit jigsaw pieces in
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20100905 16:47:58< hylje> does anyone have any mountain map / mission concepts
20100905 16:48:23< hylje> i'm just making some nice and plausible mountainous area with stupidly narrow passes
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20100905 20:33:48< Unnheulu> Heya shadowmaster
20100905 20:34:11< shadowmaster> hi there
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20100905 20:38:22< Unnheulu> School starts in two days...the new headteacher just died
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20100905 20:38:31< Unnheulu> :(
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20100905 22:08:54< SpoOkyMagician_> err weird
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20100905 22:09:50< SpoOkyMagician_> is that just me with an old name on still or did someone take my name?
20100905 22:11:25< VurtualRuler98> They certainly don't respond to ping.
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20100905 22:11:25< VurtualRuler98> Give it a minute.
20100905 22:11:34< Gambit> SpoOkyMagician_: Did you register your name at any point?
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20100905 22:11:35< SpoOkyMagician_> er, no
20100905 22:11:43< Gambit> What the?
20100905 22:11:46< Gambit> shadowmaster: poke ^^^^ ?
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20100905 22:12:40< Gambit> shikadib1t: RTFM?
20100905 22:12:49< shikadib1t> RTFM: read the fine/f***ing manual
20100905 22:12:50< SpoOkyMagician_> well whatever... im playing. just ignor the other for now.
20100905 22:12:58< SpoOkyMagician_> wesnoth *
20100905 22:13:04< VurtualRuler98> Why that is a fine manual.
20100905 22:13:47< Gambit> shikadibot: rtfm?
20100905 22:13:48< Gambit> They're both lagging horrendusly.
20100905 22:13:57< Gambit> Or is the normal one totally dead?
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20100905 22:15:07< Gambit> Yeah... this new one is logging though.
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20100905 22:18:51< SpoOkyMagician> there we go
20100905 22:19:07< VurtualRuler98> Just wait until the nick collision.
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