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20100906 06:46:29-!- Topic for #wesnoth: Wesnoth User Channel | http://www.wesnoth.org/ | Social channel: #wesnoth-offtopic | Latest stable version: 1.8.4 | Latest development version: 1.9.0 | Public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100906 06:46:29-!- Topic set by Shadowmaster [~ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] [Wed Aug 25 22:16:47 2010]
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20100906 06:46:30-!- Home page for #wesnoth: http://www.wesnoth.org
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20100906 06:48:27< shadowmaster> maybe you mean our server, wesnoth.org.
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20100906 08:59:29< MadRobot> Hi all.
20100906 08:59:47< Unnheulu> Haih
20100906 08:59:50< Unnheulu> *Hiya
20100906 09:00:17< MadRobot> I was just playing the add-on campaign called Dead Water. And I must say, it's the most irksome campaign in the whole game. :-)
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20100906 09:01:35< Unnheulu> It's too tough for me, but I'm not the best player around by a big margin ;)
20100906 09:01:51< MadRobot> The undead keep multiplying exponentially while I'm very very limited in unit.
20100906 09:02:15< Unnheulu> Add-on or mainline, out of curiosity?
20100906 09:02:28< MadRobot> I hate when the raise the dead merman units every time they capture a village.. ><
20100906 09:02:39< MadRobot> Excuse me?
20100906 09:02:51< Unnheulu> Is the one your playing mainline or an add-on?
20100906 09:03:03< MadRobot> add-on.
20100906 09:03:07< Unnheulu> Ah
20100906 09:03:13 * Unnheulu wonders if thats the latest one
20100906 09:03:13< MadRobot> It's called Dead Water.
20100906 09:03:37< Unnheulu> In svn and 1.9.0 its mainline :P
20100906 09:05:14< MadRobot> I'm not sure what it is actually. I just installed it from the Add-on list. :)
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20100906 09:06:10< Unnheulu> :)
20100906 09:06:42< MadRobot> It really makes me nuts. :D
20100906 09:07:43< MadRobot> Actually, I'm very new to this game. I just fail to understand the basic concept of forming a strategy to win a certain scenario.
20100906 09:08:05< shadowmaster> have you played the tutorial first?
20100906 09:08:16< MadRobot> shadowmaster, yeah.
20100906 09:08:18< shadowmaster> and practices with other easy campaigns, etc.
20100906 09:08:35< shadowmaster> (avoid Northern Rebirth, even if you are a pro)
20100906 09:09:04< MadRobot> I think I'll play the tutorial again. And try practicing with easy campaigns too.
20100906 09:09:30< MadRobot> But why not Northern Rebirth?
20100906 09:10:48< shadowmaster> it's reserved for masochists.
20100906 09:11:00< shadowmaster> who are willing to face the most unexpected situations in middle of a scenario.
20100906 09:11:17< shadowmaster> :p
20100906 09:11:34< Unnheulu> MadRobot, with Northern Rebirth, you can code an entire game, twice the complexity of wesnoth, whilst waiting for your turn :P
20100906 09:11:39< shadowmaster> either way, I find HttT to br the best campaign for praticing.
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20100906 09:11:52< Unnheulu> And iirc, that scenario with the ghouls is just worst
20100906 09:12:09< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: it isn't.
20100906 09:12:20< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: think of Showdown and just look at the sheer amount of L3s.
20100906 09:12:33< MadRobot> Unnheulu, lol :)
20100906 09:12:36< shadowmaster> and gold reserves
20100906 09:12:48< MadRobot> HttT?
20100906 09:12:50< shadowmaster> and map dimensions.
20100906 09:13:05< shadowmaster> shikadibot: HttT?
20100906 09:13:05< shikadibot> HttT: Heir to the Throne
20100906 09:13:19< MadRobot> Oh ok.
20100906 09:13:31< shadowmaster> Dead Water is quite hard.
20100906 09:13:40< Unnheulu> I just found HttT long and boring after a while
20100906 09:13:47< shadowmaster> the first scenario is just an example of how hard it can get.
20100906 09:13:58< Unnheulu> If it weren't for the school holidays and getting bored with programming I would in no way have finished it
20100906 09:13:59< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: don't even get me started on that.
20100906 09:14:13 * shadowmaster shakes head (Battle for Wesnoth....)
20100906 09:14:27< shadowmaster> but if you ignore the plot, it's good practice.
20100906 09:14:36< shadowmaster> ignore the last three scenarios as well.
20100906 09:15:01< zookeeper> the south guard is also pretty newbie-friendly
20100906 09:15:04< shadowmaster> ironically, my "learning" campaign was The Rise of Wesnoth. It's nowadays considered an Intermediate level campaign.
20100906 09:15:12< zookeeper> maybe the most newbie-friendly of all campaigns, i guess
20100906 09:15:22< Unnheulu> I seem to remember my favourite being Liberty when I was new
20100906 09:15:47< zookeeper> oh, right, liberty is also an easy one and probably a good learning campaign for newbies
20100906 09:16:25< zookeeper> (if they can figure out how hide and seek works...)
20100906 09:16:59< shadowmaster> no love for AOI?
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20100906 09:23:29< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, last I tried it AOI on hard was ridiculously easy, on easiest its probably just patronising
20100906 09:23:35< Unnheulu> s/it//
20100906 09:32:03< zookeeper> no, i have a severe dislike for AOI due to its simplicity
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20100906 09:53:33< MadRobot> What is dextrous?
20100906 09:54:41< zookeeper> check the tooltip
20100906 09:54:58< zookeeper> (+1 ranged damage)
20100906 09:55:05< halifix> It's an elves-only trait in mainline. increases ranged damage by 1. And use the tooltip.
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20100906 10:03:40< MadRobot> I see. Thanks all.
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20100906 10:04:08< hylje> what kind of twists could An Orcish Incursion sport?
20100906 10:04:42< zookeeper> any kind?
20100906 10:05:17< hylje> more story arcs
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20100906 10:08:29< Ivanovic> moin
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20100906 10:10:12< hylje> hmm, can't really devise any concrete plot additions to aoi
20100906 10:10:42< zookeeper> what it needs is less boring scenarios
20100906 10:11:11< Unnheulu> zookeeper, well a start would be to stop them from being possible in 1/6 of the turn limit
20100906 10:12:19< hylje> as in scenaarios that don't boil down to kill all orcs
20100906 10:12:29< hylje> or trolls
20100906 10:16:17< hylje> mc guffin fetch quests, restoration of guard posts/ magic wards, flanking of fleeing orcs
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20100906 14:18:23< Unnheulu> Gambit, you got your old title back!
20100906 14:18:39< Gambit> Unnheulu: Uhh yes.
20100906 14:18:58< Gambit> Is that all you notice?
20100906 14:19:04< Unnheulu> Totally
20100906 14:19:07< Gambit> Because I also redid my hair :P
20100906 14:19:10< Unnheulu> Other than that ugly colour >.>
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20100906 14:41:55< Gambit> Unnheulu: How do you feel about orange? :awesome:
20100906 14:42:02< Gambit> (mostly joking)
20100906 14:42:36< Unnheulu> Anything other than brown is ugly ;)
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20100906 16:23:16< rocket16> wesbot: help
20100906 16:23:16< wesbot> rocket16: I could tell you about bug(s), feature(s), task(s), patch(es), a log revision, update the topic, last seen of people... you name it.
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20100906 16:25:35< Unnheulu> wesbot, log revision
20100906 16:27:57< Gambit> Unnheulu: perhaps he only likes colons :o
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20100906 16:28:06< Gambit> (Why are you using xchat anyway?) :P
20100906 16:28:23< Unnheulu> Any recommendations? :P
20100906 16:28:28< Unnheulu> wesbot: log revision
20100906 16:28:28< Gambit> Yes
20100906 16:28:42< Gambit> Quassel on windows, and quassel on linux, and quassel in a virtual machine on mac
20100906 16:29:04< Unnheulu> XFCE
20100906 16:29:10< Gambit> So?
20100906 16:29:11< Unnheulu> Don't like QT
20100906 16:29:24< Gambit> It'll work fine :@
20100906 16:29:38< Unnheulu> I don't like QT :P
20100906 16:29:41< Gambit> Unnheulu: You could always switch to KDE :P
20100906 16:29:48< Unnheulu> Bah
20100906 16:29:51< Gambit> It works on gnome here.
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20100906 16:30:03< Unnheulu> I didn't say qt didn't work -.0
20100906 16:30:05< Unnheulu> -.-
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20100906 16:32:04< Unnheulu> Anyways, if you doesn't mind, I'm busy coding sparkly effects into my game
20100906 16:32:11< Unnheulu> Or perhaps not so sparkly...
20100906 16:33:08< Gambit> wesbot: log 46293
20100906 16:33:10< wesbot> ai0867 * r46293 : Fix compilation
20100906 16:33:10< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=46293
20100906 16:34:32< Unnheulu> wesbot, log 1
20100906 16:34:34< wesbot>  * r1 : 
20100906 16:34:34< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=1
20100906 16:34:51 * Unnheulu punches sirp
20100906 16:34:56< Unnheulu> No commit message :(
20100906 16:37:38< Gambit> This is why the important people don't hang out here.
20100906 16:37:46< Gambit> Unnheulu: You're the reason we can't have nice things.
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20100906 17:00:56< Gambit> They don't belive in the internet in Austria
20100906 17:01:04< Gambit> *believe
20100906 17:01:12< Gambit> PeterPorty, Unnheulu: #wesnoth-offtopic ?
20100906 17:01:23< Unnheulu> Ah crud
20100906 17:01:27< Unnheulu> I dunnit again
20100906 17:01:32< PeterPorty> I am there
20100906 17:01:33< Gambit> What?
20100906 17:01:40 * Unnheulu keeps getting mixed up with #wesnoth-dev and #wesnoth
20100906 17:01:48< Gambit> Yeah. Yeah you do.
20100906 17:01:58< Gambit> Maybe you should just read #wesnoth-dev's logs
20100906 17:02:08< PeterPorty> lol
20100906 17:02:14< Gambit> (just saying)
20100906 17:02:45< PeterPorty> Unnheulu, ##shadowm
20100906 17:02:54< Unnheulu> PeterPorty, why?
20100906 17:03:15< PeterPorty> Dunno, cool people go there sometimes
20100906 17:03:30< Gambit> PeterPorty: You shouldn't give that out unless you know shadowmaster would want Unnheulu there :P
20100906 17:03:40< PeterPorty> of course he does
20100906 17:03:43< PeterPorty> it's Un!
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20100906 17:04:43< PeterPorty> my mom needs to write a mail, and it gotta be from my computer, so... brb, c ya
20100906 17:05:12< Unnheulu> Gambit, pff, I've always known it exists
20100906 17:05:18< Unnheulu> Well, since the earthquake at least :S
20100906 17:05:34< Gambit> But it's been locked :P
20100906 17:05:45< Gambit> Until some brave adventurers rediscovered it years later.
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20100906 17:08:03< Unnheulu> Heya Hulavuta
20100906 17:10:18< hylje> the writers just pulled it out of their asses
20100906 17:11:06< Gambit> Pulled what?
20100906 17:13:08< hylje> ##shadowm i guess
20100906 17:13:23< hylje> and then rewrote history to pretend it always existed
20100906 17:14:14< Gambit> Ah
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20100906 17:27:16< PeterPorty> ...
20100906 17:32:24< Unnheulu> Gambit, you has commit rights?
20100906 17:33:11< Gambit> Unnheulu: Yes.
20100906 17:33:23< Unnheulu> What for? Never had you down as a coder
20100906 17:33:34< Unnheulu> Plus, svn rm -r * :)
20100906 17:34:23< Gambit> 1. ~16 new events and a [chat] tag
20100906 17:34:34< Gambit> And I volunteered to maintain Dead Water
20100906 17:34:37< Gambit> 2. How about... no?
20100906 17:34:45< Unnheulu> Ah :)
20100906 17:34:58< Unnheulu> I never knew you knew C++ :P
20100906 17:35:17< Gambit> Note that C++ is not a requirement
20100906 17:35:35< Gambit> And I don't know it, but I was able to "wing it" for what I wanted to add.
20100906 17:35:35< Unnheulu> Not even for adding events?
20100906 17:36:15< Gambit> [11:35:16] <Gambit> Note that C++ is not a requirement <==== was referring to developership
20100906 17:36:35< Unnheulu> Ah
20100906 17:36:52< Unnheulu> I didn't think allefant knew much (any?) C++
20100906 17:37:26< Gambit> Unnheulu: And seriously... stop telling people phony commands that will break things.
20100906 17:37:33< Unnheulu> Humm?
20100906 17:37:38< Unnheulu> svn rm -r *?
20100906 17:37:47< Gambit> Or I swear to Uria I will apply for an IRC moderation position next.
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20100906 17:39:08< Unnheulu> It won't so much break things as annoy someone, plus I thought you had a high enough level of intelligence to understand what it does
20100906 17:39:38< Gambit> Yeah I know what it does. But had you told me that say... three weeks ago... well actually I still would have known that you have a history of doing that
20100906 17:39:52< Gambit> So had you told me three weeks ago and we had never met, I would have thought you were trying to be helpful.
20100906 17:40:25< Gambit> hehe "had we never met, I would have thought you were trying to be helpful."
20100906 17:40:27< Unnheulu> You can't be serious...
20100906 17:40:36< Gambit> Out of context quoting ftw. ^_^
20100906 17:40:45< Unnheulu> Plus, I think you'll find we never met ;)
20100906 17:41:25 * Gambit goes back to composing his song :O
20100906 17:41:42< Gambit> I'm going to contribute to everything!
20100906 17:41:48< Gambit> (kidding, this is for school)
20100906 17:42:41< Gambit> Plus it would be years before I could do any art (visual or audio) for wesnoth...
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20100906 17:46:33< Unnheulu> Bah, I helped the artist for my game learn python, and now that's all he wants to do -.-
20100906 17:46:48< Unnheulu> Meh, at least the game'll be coded faster
20100906 17:52:38< elias> Unnheulu: i sent them a big C++ patch once, but they rejected it :P
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20100906 21:32:59< Unnheulu> Bah
20100906 21:33:07< Unnheulu> The translations always conflicty
20100906 21:33:10< Unnheulu> s/y//
20100906 21:33:31< Unnheulu> Is it possible to tf all of them, or must it be done one at a time?
20100906 21:36:24< hylje> gettext right? open the translation source file with a text editor and go wild
20100906 21:36:32< Soliton> what kind of conflicts?
20100906 21:36:42< Unnheulu> Just plain conflict discovers
20100906 21:36:50< Unnheulu> I heard that compiling changes them somehow
20100906 21:37:25< Unnheulu> I'm just wondering if I have to tf them all :P
20100906 21:37:27< Soliton> "plain conflict discovers"?
20100906 21:37:49< Unnheulu> Subversion isn't saying anymore than conflict discovered...What do you mean?
20100906 21:37:54< Soliton> there shouldn't be any conflicts.
20100906 21:38:04< hylje> ah, svn level
20100906 21:38:06< Unnheulu> Someone told me its caused by compiling
20100906 21:38:09< Soliton> svn diff tells you.
20100906 21:38:26< Soliton> or the diff option from the conflcit resolution menu.
20100906 21:38:38< Unnheulu> df?
20100906 21:38:46< hylje> compiling might erroneously touch source files
20100906 21:39:42< hylje> or you have touched source files yourself before updating, your local copy and the updated remote copy conflicting
20100906 21:40:32< Unnheulu> In any case, its annoying typing tf thousands of times ;)
20100906 21:40:59< Unnheulu> And I don't speak any non-english except a tiny bit of welsh, which rules out me touching the source files
20100906 21:41:46< Soliton> excellent logic there.
20100906 21:42:09< Unnheulu> Indeed
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20100906 21:46:05< hylje> maybe you sleepwalk in welsh
20100906 21:46:21< Unnheulu> :)
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