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20100911 09:45:17< SpoOkyMagician> hm... im a bit confused here... you are allowed to have "a campaign" and a "multiplayer scenario" within the same addon right?
20100911 09:45:41< SpoOkyMagician> if so, for some reason, the multiplayer scenario isn't showing up...
20100911 09:48:00< SpoOkyMagician> (im 90% sure i wrote the multiplayer scenario right. stderr.txt does not show any errors at all.)
20100911 09:49:07 * SpoOkyMagician tries something
20100911 09:49:47< zookeeper> you can have whatever you want inside an add-on
20100911 09:50:15< zookeeper> the game doesn't care what you have there, it just eats your _main.cfg as any other .cfg file
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20100911 09:51:25< SpoOkyMagician> i see... (continues to test something)
20100911 09:51:49< SpoOkyMagician> strange... its not finding it...
20100911 09:53:05< SpoOkyMagician> i tried {~add-ons/MAP/multiplayer/} and {~add-ons/MAP/multiplayer/Planet_001.cfg} and neither one worked... (inside the ifdef multiplayer of course.)
20100911 09:53:28< SpoOkyMagician> unless i screwed my _main.cfg up
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20100911 09:54:21< SpoOkyMagician> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/ceB3zkpG
20100911 09:54:40< SpoOkyMagician> is this correct?
20100911 09:54:42< zookeeper> MUTLIPLAYER
20100911 09:54:44< zookeeper> nope
20100911 09:54:50< SpoOkyMagician> doh
20100911 09:54:52< SpoOkyMagician> ty lol
20100911 09:54:55< SpoOkyMagician> sorry
20100911 09:55:02< zookeeper> other than that, looks ok
20100911 09:55:15< SpoOkyMagician> ok
20100911 09:55:20 * SpoOkyMagician tries again
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20100911 09:58:58< SpoOkyMagician> maybe i misnamed the folder... (checks)
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20100911 09:59:25< SpoOkyMagician> er... no... i didn't...
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20100911 09:59:39< SpoOkyMagician> strange...
20100911 09:59:48< SpoOkyMagician> still doesn't show
20100911 09:59:58< Ivanovic> moin
20100911 10:00:07< SpoOkyMagician> doh found it. nvm
20100911 10:01:03< SpoOkyMagician> although...
20100911 10:01:19< SpoOkyMagician> why is it at top? the name starts with U... it should be at bottom... strange
20100911 10:01:28 * SpoOkyMagician shrugs
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20100911 12:02:51< SpoOkyMagician> meh, 6am... lol need some sleep soon.
20100911 12:03:15 * SpoOkyMagician tests one more thing
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20100911 12:04:15< kian_> hi, sorry my english my from is Spain! one question, faq the wesnoth server (lobby) ?
20100911 12:05:21< Pentalis> kian_: Yo hablo Español (I speak Spanish), ¿Cuál es tu consulta?.
20100911 12:06:48< kian_> Pentalis,  pues estoy buscando la documentación para montar un server de wesnoth, estoy usando linux, lo arranqué desde el init.d y funciona perfecto, pero no encuentro como modificar parametros para personalizarlo un poco, aun que sea el mensaje de cuando entras jaja
20100911 12:07:08< kian_> es que voy a montar un server local, para cuando se va el internet y poder jugar con mis amigos
20100911 12:07:59< kian_> en windows se puede desde el propio juego, pero en linux pide mil cosas :) (me ausento 10 min que se me quema la comida)
20100911 12:10:04< Pentalis> Loose translation: kian_ is looking for documentation about mounting a Wesnoth server in his Linux machine. He managed to get it running but he doesn't know how to modify parameters to personalize it a little.
20100911 12:10:37< Ivanovic> there is not really much for personalizing it
20100911 12:11:03< Pentalis> For example he was looking at least on a way to change the welcome message.
20100911 12:11:06< Ivanovic> you can create a server.cfg file and define stuff like the port used, accepted versions and admin password
20100911 12:11:43< Ivanovic> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ServerAdministration
20100911 12:12:32< Pentalis> Ivanovic: That seems just like what kian_ was looking for. Thank you  :)
20100911 12:23:25< kian_> thx all
20100911 12:23:28< kian_> perfect
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20100911 12:29:30< kian_> there is no file "cfg" for example from it? I see the file named "wesnothd.cfg" is not created?
20100911 12:29:44< kian_> Pentalis,  está bien escrito?
20100911 12:30:40< Pentalis> kian_: se entiende. I creo que ese es efectivamente el archivo que buscas, lo dice la página que mostró Ivanovic.
20100911 12:31:20< Pentalis> kian_: /query motd [<message>]   <--- this will change the welcome message (con esto cambias el mensaje de bienvenida) , in "wesnothd.cfg"
20100911 12:31:21< kian_> sí, pero no pone la ruta xD
20100911 12:31:35< Pentalis> la que buscas es wesnothd.cfg :P
20100911 12:31:36< kian_> del wesnothd.cfg
20100911 12:31:43< kian_> ya, pero no lo encuentro
20100911 12:31:43< Pentalis> oh...
20100911 12:31:53< Pentalis> hhmmm... usa GREP
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20100911 12:32:30< Pentalis> > grep -r "wesnothd.cfg" /directorio/de/wesnoth/server/
20100911 12:34:01< Ivanovic> check man wesnothd
20100911 12:34:13< Ivanovic> in there you will find the information you seek
20100911 12:34:33< Ivanovic> by default wesnothd works without config file, so there is none created
20100911 12:34:56< Ivanovic> (you have to create it yourself and use the --config= option to point to the config file
20100911 12:35:40< kian_> /usr/games/wesnothd-1.8 Pentalis ?
20100911 12:36:40< Ivanovic> kian_: read the wesnothd manpage, it should even be in spanish!
20100911 12:37:07< Pentalis> kian_: ^^^^
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20100911 12:37:29< Ivanovic> kian_: by default there is NO config file, you have to completely create it
20100911 12:37:39< Ivanovic> the content of it is explained in the man page
20100911 12:38:01< Pentalis> kian_: No hay archivo wesnothd.cfg, por eso no lo encuentras. Lee la manpage.  (basically saying the same as Ivanovic here)
20100911 12:38:30< kian_> eso hago xD
20100911 12:38:37< Pentalis> Yay.
20100911 12:38:40< Pentalis> :]
20100911 12:40:04< kian_> need wiki in spain! xD
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20100911 12:54:13< kian_> mmm need help again! xD
20100911 12:54:15< kian_> kian@kian-desktop:~$ wesnothd-1.8 -c .wesnoth1.8/wesnothd.cfg -p 1502
20100911 12:54:15< kian_> 20100911 12:53:49 info server: Server configuration from file: '.wesnoth1.8/wesnothd.cfg' read.
20100911 12:54:15< kian_> could not make fifo at '/var/run/wesnothd/socket' (2)
20100911 12:54:15< kian_> failed to open fifo at '/var/run/wesnothd/socket' (2)
20100911 12:54:55 * Pentalis has no idea
20100911 12:55:51< sevis> Sounds like a permissions problem.
20100911 12:56:49< sevis> You're running the daemon as your main user, while your package manager probably set /var/run/wesnothd to the wesnothd user, if there is one.
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20100911 14:39:12< newnick12345> hello anybody active here atm?
20100911 14:39:25< SekoIdiootti> probably not
20100911 14:39:31< newnick12345> hmm
20100911 14:39:47< Pentalis> Kinda
20100911 14:40:46< newnick12345> i am having trouble with BfW 1.8.3 Multiplayer .. i click Multiplayer .. join server and it crashes during creating cache saying unit type not found  
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20100911 14:42:12< Pentalis> Too sleepy to think, I don't know what may be causing that. You may be missing some unit files, you could try purging the package and reinstalling (sounds farfetched but it's worth trying)
20100911 14:42:30< newnick12345> kk
20100911 14:42:37< newnick12345> could it be cause of some addons?
20100911 14:42:57< Pentalis> If you're trying to join a game using a campaign you don't own, that could be the cause.
20100911 14:43:05< Pentalis> And add ons could also be the cause of some weird bugs.
20100911 14:43:31< newnick12345> kk thanks .. let me try to uninstall all addons first
20100911 14:44:01 * newnick12345 thinks it took 2 hours to download and install all addons :(
20100911 14:44:12< SekoIdiootti> you could just back up them
20100911 14:44:23< SekoIdiootti> move them to another folder or something
20100911 14:44:26< newnick12345> how? by copying .wesnoth183 folder?
20100911 14:44:33< newnick12345> kk
20100911 14:48:02< newnick12345> on renaming .wesnoth1.8 to .wesnoth1.8.org its multiplayer started to work.. means addon problem?
20100911 14:48:44< newnick12345> is it possible to learn which addon is creating problem specifically?
20100911 14:49:03< Pentalis> I don't know of any automated tool to do it.
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20100911 14:49:26< Pentalis> So if I were having that problem I'd just do some trial and error  =P
20100911 14:49:52< newnick12345> :)
20100911 14:50:20< Pentalis> It's weird that renaming the hidden Wesnoth folder your multiplayer started to work, it could mean addon problem, because: 1.- Wesnoth itself is installed elsewhere in your system  2.- your ./wesnoth1.8 folder contains user files, like savegames, and add on files.
20100911 14:51:18< Pentalis> If I were you I'd try slowly placing the files from the old folder (.wesnoth1.8.org) into the newly created folder (because wesnoth did create a new .wesnoth1.8 folder didn't it?). At some point you should hit the problematic files.
20100911 14:51:51< Gambit> newnick12345: what operating system?
20100911 14:52:03< newnick12345> ya thats what i am doing .. but, how to figure dependencies of addons?
20100911 14:52:05< Pentalis> (sounds like Linux)
20100911 14:52:10< newnick12345> Gambit, Fedora 13
20100911 14:52:12< Gambit> run wesnoth from terminal
20100911 14:52:19< Gambit> if there are problems building the cache it will tell you
20100911 14:52:34< Gambit> If there are any problems in fact.
20100911 14:53:16< Gambit> On windows there is a file where it stores all that. On mac... I dunno.
20100911 14:53:19< newnick12345> Gambit, i already posted last messages from terminal into forums http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31615
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20100911 14:54:17< Gambit> Bah. Why doesn't it tell you where that is?
20100911 14:54:26< Gambit> newnick12345: Well search for that unit type then.
20100911 14:54:56< Gambit> search for "id = Small Rabbit"
20100911 14:55:11< newnick12345> Gambit, ok i search
20100911 14:57:20< newnick12345> found in small_rabbit.cfg in killer_rabbit addon
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20100911 14:57:59< Gambit> So did I hear you correctly that you spent two hours downloading every add-on?
20100911 14:58:04< newnick12345> and other cfgs and wesnoth_rabbits .. should i reinstall it?
20100911 14:58:15< Gambit> Yes. Delete its folder.
20100911 14:58:23< newnick12345> ok
20100911 14:59:44< newnick12345> deleted, and shifted all other addons to new .wesnoth1.8
20100911 15:00:44< Gambit> This make me doubt humanity.
20100911 15:01:07< Gambit> "My add-on breaks the game. I SHOULD UPLOAD TO THE ADD-ONS SERVER!"
20100911 15:01:44< newnick12345> lol
20100911 15:02:10< SekoIdiootti> xD
20100911 15:02:42< SekoIdiootti> I uploaded a non-working addon to 1.4 accidentally...
20100911 15:02:52< Gambit> SekoIdiootti: But you removed it yes?
20100911 15:02:55< SekoIdiootti> yeah
20100911 15:03:04< Gambit> Yeah.
20100911 15:03:05< SekoIdiootti> but it was there for a long time
20100911 15:03:08< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100911 15:03:19< SekoIdiootti> well, I don't know if it worked for other people, though...
20100911 15:03:32< Gambit> To be fair though; If you go downloading every add-on on the server, you get what you get.
20100911 15:03:35< SekoIdiootti> It might've been something I messed when moving it from 1.4 to 1.5
20100911 15:03:42< SekoIdiootti> or something
20100911 15:03:45< Gambit> The "90% of everything is garbage" rule still applies here.
20100911 15:03:51< Gambit> Wesnoth add-ons are not immune.
20100911 15:04:18< SekoIdiootti> the frog is happy ->   :}
20100911 15:04:48< Gambit> So uhh
20100911 15:05:02< newnick12345> lol
20100911 15:05:13< Gambit> Apparently the wesnoth forums have a "change font size" button, but it'll only make the font bigger by three sizes.
20100911 15:05:51< Unnheulu> Gambit: wheres this thread? :P
20100911 15:05:58< Gambit> Unnheulu: What thread?
20100911 15:06:14< Unnheulu> "My add-on breaks the game. I SHOULD UPLOAD TO THE ADD-ONS  SERVER!"
20100911 15:06:26< Gambit> Unnheulu: Oh it probably doesn't even have a thread.
20100911 15:06:38< Gambit> That's why it's broken.
20100911 15:07:00< Gambit> He didn't utilize the over 9000 years combined WML experience of the forums.
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20100911 15:07:45< Unnheulu> :)
20100911 15:07:49< Gambit> I think I saw an art workshop thread with bloody sword rabbits recently.
20100911 15:08:13< SekoIdiootti> o_o
20100911 15:08:20< Gambit> This kid: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=31479
20100911 15:08:30< Gambit> $10 says he's the author.
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20100911 15:09:11< Gambit> Oh I'm glad none of you took that :)
20100911 15:09:13< Gambit> Bet's off!
20100911 15:09:39< Gambit> author: negusnyul
20100911 15:09:44< Gambit> 831 downloads.
20100911 15:10:17< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=121327
20100911 15:11:04< newnick12345> now i have lots of File not found errors in terminal though it seems to be working lol
20100911 15:11:49< Gambit> Okay my MP is not broken.
20100911 15:11:58< Gambit> Sooo maybe it wasn't broken for him.
20100911 15:12:05< Gambit> Maybe it's because of all the add-ons you have.
20100911 15:12:15< Gambit> newnick12345: Add-ons are like perscription medication ^_^
20100911 15:12:18< newnick12345> hmm
20100911 15:13:11< Gambit> oh wtf
20100911 15:13:16< Gambit> These sprites cannot be GPL
20100911 15:13:22< SekoIdiootti> what sprites?
20100911 15:13:29< Gambit> They're microsoft clipart I think
20100911 15:13:31< newnick12345> Gambit, my BfW didn't like medication .. looks like time to uninstall addons
20100911 15:13:36< Pentalis> O_o
20100911 15:13:51< Pentalis> Making sprites out of Microsoft clipart...
20100911 15:13:59< SekoIdiootti> :0
20100911 15:14:58< Gambit> Okay time to stalk this guy so I can talk to him.
20100911 15:15:15< Gambit> Which is totally less creepy than it sounds ;)
20100911 15:16:46< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100911 15:17:05< sevis> Which one is clip art? O_o
20100911 15:17:49< Gambit> killer rabbits
20100911 15:18:20< sevis> Hm. It's not his sprite, though.
20100911 15:18:23< SekoIdiootti> I thought they are from IftU :o
20100911 15:18:27< SekoIdiootti> and edited
20100911 15:18:32< SekoIdiootti> but I was wrong then
20100911 15:19:12< Gambit> SekoIdiootti: Not the ones in that thread
20100911 15:19:22< Gambit> Different person entirely.
20100911 15:19:26< SekoIdiootti> ohhh
20100911 15:19:41< SekoIdiootti> where?
20100911 15:19:47< Gambit> On the add-ons server
20100911 15:19:56< SekoIdiootti> oh
20100911 15:19:58< Gambit> Wow someone in the lobby just incinuated I was fat...
20100911 15:20:07< SekoIdiootti> :0
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20100911 19:37:18< Hulavuta> hi
20100911 19:38:27< Unnheulu> Heya
20100911 19:38:45< Unnheulu> Hulavuta, did I ever mention that I was coding asc?
20100911 19:38:55< Unnheulu> Hulavuta, which means soon my game is finished
20100911 19:40:08< Hulavuta> cool
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20100911 22:08:49< nNa> Ivanovic: do you have any information about slovenian translation? I think that the maintainer stopped maintaining the language quite some time ago... I am thinking of taking over the project: I've sent him a mail about that, but he hasn't replied
20100911 22:09:06< Ivanovic> uhm, eh, yeah, this happens
20100911 22:09:20< Ivanovic> might be that the last slovenian update was some ages ago, just check the changelog
20100911 22:09:51< nNa> where can i find the changelog?
20100911 22:12:00< Ivanovic> try changelog.wesnoth.org
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20100911 22:12:09< Ivanovic> anyway, i am afk now
20100911 22:12:23< nNa> ok, thanks
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20100911 23:45:17< Zarel> Wesnoth is still really slow on OS X for some reason.
20100911 23:45:23< Zarel> Has anyone else noticed this?
20100911 23:49:01< hylje> was snappy when I played it on OS X
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