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20100918 00:00:12< SpoOkyMagician> zookeeper: so, multiple id's for other tags (i assume) don't work either?
20100918 00:00:57< SpoOkyMagician> if so, ill keep that in mind
20100918 00:02:06< zookeeper> correct
20100918 00:02:12< SpoOkyMagician> i see :\
20100918 00:02:21< SpoOkyMagician> thanks for the info
20100918 00:02:26< zookeeper> IIRC side= is the only SUF which always (or almost always) supports a list
20100918 00:02:35< zookeeper> well, besides x= and y=
20100918 00:02:43< SpoOkyMagician> yea
20100918 00:03:00< SpoOkyMagician> ok
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20100918 09:54:18< Unnheulu> Hiya
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20100918 10:35:53< Ivanovic> moin
20100918 10:35:57< hylje> hello
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20100918 17:03:30< Octalot> In the statistics dialog that pops up when pressing 's' ; in the damage inflicted / taken, what do the number and percentage after the '/' mean?
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20100918 19:11:17< joo> Octalot: It's actual_damage / max_damage, proportion%
20100918 19:18:21< Octalot> thanks
20100918 19:27:51< joo> Er..
20100918 19:27:53< joo> actually
20100918 19:27:59< joo> Not max_damage
20100918 19:28:06< joo> Statistically expected damage
20100918 19:28:14< joo> i.e. the expected average damage
20100918 19:28:23< joo> So you can have a percentage > 100%
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20100918 19:53:21< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20100918 21:24:36< matthiaskrgr_> hello. I have a question regarding your website www.wesnoth.org    Did you  design it yourself (UMC or developers)  or did you pay an agency to do it?
20100918 21:26:00< Rhonda> TTBOMK it wasn't done by someone who was paid for it.
20100918 21:26:12 * Rhonda . o O ( To The Best Of My Knowledge )
20100918 21:27:48< matthiaskrgr_> at the buttom it says "Supported by Jexiste." but my french knowledge is to limited in order to read the page
20100918 21:28:11< matthiaskrgr_> maybe it is the host/servers?
20100918 21:29:34< alink> yes "Hébergement Internet" means "Internet hosting"
20100918 21:30:09< matthiaskrgr_> ok, thanks
20100918 21:30:12< alink> but I was not aware that we were hosted in France
20100918 21:30:49< alink> this jexiste thing is maybe old forgotten stuff
20100918 21:30:50< matthiaskrgr_> maybe the company is in frace but has server somewhere else?
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20100918 21:34:11< alink> seems to be jexiste.fr   http://www.whois.net/whois/wesnoth.org.com
20100918 21:35:46< Rhonda> alink: Yes, I think that was before.
20100918 21:36:38< Rhonda> Or are they only our registrar? I'm lost. The server is with olm, whoever/whatever that might be. :)
20100918 21:38:18< matthiaskrgr_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olm :D
20100918 21:38:48< matthiaskrgr_> must be a very interesting server ;)
20100918 21:39:47< alink> well, we pay our host now and I doubt that Sirp pick a french host, so maybe we could remove that "Supported by Jexiste."
20100918 21:43:04< alink> <Ivanovic> alink: yes, [jexiste.fr] pay for the DNS entry and provide the dns server
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20100918 22:21:32< Unnheulu|Laptop> Heya dipseydoodle
20100918 22:21:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> dipseydoodle, just to clear up, Java != Javascript
20100918 22:22:03< Unnheulu|Laptop> Java = a language I'm learning right now, Javascript is something I learnt 7/8 years ago and forgot >.>
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20100918 22:23:07< Mickcy> Java is a compiled language that runs on a Virtual Machine, JavaScript is a scripting language that is interpreted and used mostly/solely in browsers.
20100918 22:23:50< Unnheulu|Laptop> That's a more complicated version ;P
20100918 22:24:06 * Unnheulu|Laptop hates compiling, it takes soo long
20100918 22:24:13< joo> "mostly/solely"?
20100918 22:24:17< joo> Why put /solely there?
20100918 22:24:22< Mickcy> long? It takes milliseconds here/
20100918 22:24:34< dipseydoodle> hey... i'm in xp right now.... yes yes yes javascript
20100918 22:24:46< Mickcy> Well, I rarely if ever see javascript in anything other than browsers.
20100918 22:25:06< joo> I've seen it in a number of other places
20100918 22:25:10< Mickcy> Such as?
20100918 22:25:10< joo> So it's only "mostly"
20100918 22:25:28< joo> Adobe AIR, Adobe Shockwave, MongoDB Shell, Windows JScript
20100918 22:25:39< joo> (The latter isn't technically JavasScript, but it's very similar)
20100918 22:25:52< Mickcy> Adobe Air is basically a browser, but for apps only.
20100918 22:25:58< joo> And Unity, I think.
20100918 22:25:59< dipseydoodle> Most websites use it.... as far as I know
20100918 22:26:07< Unnheulu|Laptop> dipseydoodle, not really
20100918 22:26:21< Unnheulu|Laptop> The "interactive" ones do
20100918 22:26:33< dipseydoodle> Hmmm?
20100918 22:26:36< dipseydoodle> yes
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20100918 22:26:48< joo> Any modern and reasonably complex website will probably use JS
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20100918 22:26:55< Mickcy> AJAX*
20100918 22:27:02< joo> ...
20100918 22:27:09< joo> JS ∈ AJAX
20100918 22:27:17< Unnheulu> AJAX uses Javascript?
20100918 22:27:22< Mickcy> Yes
20100918 22:27:28< dipseydoodle> I'm trying to learn pygame
20100918 22:27:32< joo> AJAX stands for Asynchronous Javascript and XML
20100918 22:27:32< Mickcy> AJAX = XML+JavaScript
20100918 22:27:38< Unnheulu> dipseydoodle, its pretty simple
20100918 22:27:48< Unnheulu> s/pretty/very/
20100918 22:27:48< dipseydoodle> I know.
20100918 22:28:12< dipseydoodle> I like natural languages
20100918 22:28:23< Unnheulu> Scripting languages?
20100918 22:28:33< joo> You're speaking a natural language
20100918 22:28:36< dipseydoodle> yes... I use inform 7 and 6
20100918 22:28:38< joo> You can't really code in one
20100918 22:28:42< dipseydoodle> yes
20100918 22:29:04< Mickcy> You could if someone bothered to make a compiler and/or interpreter. :x
20100918 22:29:13< Unnheulu> joo, iirc there was once an effort to do something like that ;)
20100918 22:29:19< Unnheulu> Not sure if it still survived
20100918 22:29:25< joo> I'm sure there was
20100918 22:29:26< Unnheulu> s/survived/exists/
20100918 22:29:45< joo> But it would be kind of silly to expect real programmers to use that
20100918 22:29:50< Mickcy> I see you like regular expressions?
20100918 22:30:00< dipseydoodle> I told buzzsaw about it www.inform7.com and www.inform6.com a desendent of ancient Zcode
20100918 22:30:41< Unnheulu> Mickcy, perl, actually
20100918 22:30:53< Mickcy> I know
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20100918 22:31:04< Mickcy> Didn't know it was perl specific though
20100918 22:31:16< Unnheulu> I dunno
20100918 22:31:32< dipseydoodle> sorry wrong link for informm 6, this is the right one http://www.inform-fiction.org/inform6.html
20100918 22:31:46< Unnheulu> dipseydoodle, out of curiosity, why should anyone use inform?
20100918 22:31:57< Unnheulu> As opposed to a "real" language
20100918 22:32:33< dipseydoodle> Because people still like game that were written in the 60's... 83
20100918 22:32:52< dipseydoodle> 8S
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20100918 22:33:54< Unnheulu> Uuh...
20100918 22:34:12< Unnheulu> How does people liking games made in the 60s relate to inform?
20100918 22:34:32< dipseydoodle> That's what most people have written with it...
20100918 22:34:43< dipseydoodle> www.ifarchive.org
20100918 22:34:58< Unnheulu> How can you write a game made in the 60s...
20100918 22:35:01< dipseydoodle> Or www.Ifdb.org
20100918 22:35:08< Unnheulu> Because it'd be made in the 2000's
20100918 22:35:30< dipseydoodle> It is interpretted by a by a interpretter, kind of like java is.
20100918 22:35:44< Mickcy> Java?
20100918 22:35:47< Mickcy> Interpreted?
20100918 22:35:59< dipseydoodle> I have posted an an example game in the forums a while back.
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20100918 22:36:11< Unnheulu> Java isn't interpreted
20100918 22:36:13< Unnheulu> Java is compiled
20100918 22:36:17< Unnheulu> Python is interpreted ;)
20100918 22:36:32< dipseydoodle> thank you. 
20100918 22:36:50< dipseydoodle> to...many...codes...to....remember....
20100918 22:36:53< Unnheulu> Interpret is when a program runs your code
20100918 22:36:57< dipseydoodle> yes
20100918 22:37:02< Unnheulu> ie, asc in my game
20100918 22:37:11< Mickcy> Reminds me of Bash
20100918 22:37:31< dipseydoodle> Theres is an interpreter called zoom or tads... that's what it uses
20100918 22:37:44< Unnheulu> For Java?...
20100918 22:38:10< dipseydoodle> either one works and all have been rereleased as general public... for Inform7, 6 and zcode
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20100918 22:38:19< Unnheulu> Ah
20100918 22:39:07< dipseydoodle> I'll be working on some games like ADVENT after my current projects are complete.
20100918 22:39:18< Unnheulu> Erm
20100918 22:39:19< Mickcy> ADVENT?
20100918 22:39:27< Unnheulu> Does current projects include wesnoth 3d?
20100918 22:39:31< dipseydoodle> Yeah
20100918 22:39:34< Unnheulu> ...
20100918 22:39:53< Unnheulu> dipseydoodle, I've been coding my personal project for ~2years, and its still not near a releasable state
20100918 22:40:05< shadowmaster>   /topic
20100918 22:40:06< Unnheulu> And its 2D as opposed to 3D
20100918 22:40:06< shadowmaster> oops.
20100918 22:40:14< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, ;)
20100918 22:40:25< dipseydoodle> Adevnt= Adventure or the cullosall(soory for the spelling) cave adventure
20100918 22:40:36< shadowmaster> the topic says something about a social channel.
20100918 22:40:40< Unnheulu> Yeah
20100918 22:40:40< shadowmaster> how interesting.
20100918 22:40:44< Gambit> Err guys... yeah
20100918 22:40:48< Gambit> what shadowmaster said :P
20100918 22:40:51< Unnheulu> dipseydoodle, ->#wesnoth-offtopic?
20100918 22:40:56< Mickcy> wesnoth-offtopic .-.
20100918 22:41:18< Gambit> Yes. A magical land where wesnoth users can talk about wesnoth things.
20100918 22:41:37< Gambit> Where our crazyness doesn't interfere with those wesnoth users who do talk about wesnoth things.
20100918 22:42:06< shadowmaster> Gambit: yiy neab "where wesnoth users can talk about non-wesnoth things"
20100918 22:42:11< shadowmaster> I mean "you mean"
20100918 22:42:15< dipseydoodle> sorry.
20100918 22:42:16< Gambit> Though a living specimen of the latter wesnoth user has not been found in over six months.
20100918 22:42:49< Mickcy> Those are hibernating right now.
20100918 22:42:52< Gambit> joo: And just what is so funny? :P
20100918 22:42:59< Mickcy> Waiting for the planning system to be complete.
20100918 22:43:14< joo> The existence of the channel
20100918 22:43:32< joo> I can just imagine a frustrated channel mod creating it and sending everyone there
20100918 22:43:34< Unnheulu> dipseydoodle, you gonna join?
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20100918 23:02:28< Unnheulu|Laptop> Blargh, new menu and no time to install
20100918 23:02:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> Any screenshots of it anywhere?
20100918 23:04:12< Mickcy> You mean 1.9.1? No idea, though I could upload one now if you want?
20100918 23:04:26< Unnheulu|Laptop> Meh, I found one
20100918 23:04:40< Unnheulu|Laptop> Looks pretty similar^^
20100918 23:04:50< Unnheulu|Laptop> I guess you can have bigger comments but otherwise...
20100918 23:04:59< alink> code is much better
20100918 23:05:31< shadowmaster> the new main menu isn't the greatest thing ever at all.
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20100918 23:05:43< shadowmaster> it has a crapload of regression bugs which may or may not be ever fixed.
20100918 23:06:46< alink> they will be fixed, regression are expected when rewriting such big part (not just titlescreen, but GUI2)
20100918 23:07:05< alink> and are acceptable on early dev versions
20100918 23:07:41< alink> so is any aesthetic details
20100918 23:08:14< hylje> recent trunk has a new mm ui?
20100918 23:08:25< alink> mm?
20100918 23:08:33< hylje> main menu
20100918 23:08:54< alink> yes new engine, but similar behavior
20100918 23:08:59< shadowmaster> no, it has not.
20100918 23:09:07< shadowmaster> it's just a figment of your imagination.
20100918 23:09:25< hylje> stop forcing me to observe the uncertainty by seeing by myself
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