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20100925 08:52:01< DDR> Or I could have a network disconnect. Sorry, guys.
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20100925 09:44:04< shadowmaster> DDR: what?
20100925 09:47:09< Ivanovic> moin
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20100925 10:08:15< gamefreak264> Ivanovic:  That
20100925 10:08:21< gamefreak264> 's a german greeting, right?
20100925 10:08:36< Ivanovic> jepp
20100925 10:08:44< gamefreak264> Oh, well, hi :P
20100925 10:09:49< Tomsik> Aren't we where "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" is already?
20100925 10:13:44< gamefreak264> Burn the witch!
20100925 10:14:04< hylje> I think we both agree, the past is over
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20100925 10:24:07< Unnheulu> Cool
20100925 10:24:17< Unnheulu> If I press enter in Wesnoth it tells me "the end" :D
20100925 10:24:23< Unnheulu> s/enter/alt+enter/
20100925 10:24:55< Unnheulu> Well, on the title screen at least...
20100925 10:25:19< shadowmaster> cool bug, isn't it?
20100925 10:26:13< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: now go report it, since mordante doesn't read this channel and I don't think any of the members of the audience is going to be a carrier pigeon for this.
20100925 10:26:31< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, uh? Bug?
20100925 10:26:46< shadowmaster> no, it's a feature. my bad.
20100925 10:26:59< shadowmaster> a very cool feature, while at it.
20100925 10:27:16< Unnheulu> Totally :)
20100925 10:27:27< hylje> IP over carrier pigeons
20100925 10:29:39< Tomsik> no no
20100925 10:29:40< Tomsik> I mean
20100925 10:29:48< Tomsik> To people most of technology /is/ magic.
20100925 10:29:57< shadowmaster> Tomsik: exactly what are you talking about?
20100925 10:30:42< Tomsik> Ask anyone how an engines, electronics, etc. work.
20100925 10:30:52< Tomsik> Most don't even know how LCDs work
20100925 10:30:59 * shadowmaster checks his ignore list.
20100925 10:30:59< hylje> fucking magnets
20100925 10:31:01< hylje> how do they work
20100925 10:31:34< shadowmaster> Tomsik, hylje maybe you want to take that to #wesnoth-offtopic
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20100925 10:34:28< hylje> well, i'm completely confident the wesnoth community would be better off with the two channels merged, but i'll not argue that any more here to appease the greater gods
20100925 10:35:18< shadowmaster> the wesnoth community wasn't any better with only #wesnoth
20100925 10:35:31< shadowmaster> and #wesnoth did absorb off-topic chatter too before.
20100925 10:36:05< shadowmaster> so you could say there's really no difference, except that #wesnoth-offtopic can be incredibly active at times. It just needs more momentum.
20100925 10:36:09< Tomsik> Honestly, there's not that many users here.
20100925 10:36:10< shadowmaster> (translation: needs more users)
20100925 10:36:21 * shadowmaster stares blankly at Tomsik 
20100925 10:36:31< Tomsik> I mean, in all wesnoth-related channels
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20100925 10:36:41< shadowmaster> ah, yes, that's right.
20100925 10:36:59< shadowmaster> even less if you leave the idlers out of the count.
20100925 10:37:17< Tomsik> about 10-15% people come to -offtopic-based channels in general
20100925 10:46:02< hylje> more activity is better, even if a significant part of it is offtopic. it's time to crack down on the offtopic when there's too much of it for one channel (and we're so very far from that point)
20100925 10:46:42< shadowmaster> the suggestion didn't come from an admin, btw.
20100925 10:46:55< hylje> a dedicated support channel might make sense earlier than that, some people prefer a quiet support channel
20100925 10:47:07< shadowmaster> it came from a random user, who passed it onto a dev, who passed it onto an admin, who liked it, who passed it onto me
20100925 10:47:19< shadowmaster> and forced me to enforce the proposed policy
20100925 10:47:39< hylje> the offtopic split? that's a very silly chain of events
20100925 10:47:47< shadowmaster> yes, but it's true.
20100925 10:48:04< hylje> well who do i write to
20100925 10:48:09< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn -> Gambit -> Ivanovic -> Shadowmaster
20100925 10:48:17< shadowmaster> so go in reverse and complain to Aethaeryn
20100925 10:48:29< shadowmaster> good luck
20100925 10:49:01< shadowmaster> btw, poke me when you get to it. Aethaeryn's ran ting never gets old.
20100925 10:49:07< shadowmaster> *ranting
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20100925 11:07:09< Soliton> anyone experienced the bug were units get marked as moved which really didn't move yet once reconnecting to a game in multiplayer?
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20100925 11:28:02< Cookiee_> didnt that the 0mp bug?
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20100925 11:29:46< Soliton> parse error
20100925 11:31:16< Soliton> either way if you know any details about it post a comment here: https://gna.org/bugs/?16299
20100925 11:31:47< CookieBite> what is a parse error D:
20100925 11:32:18< Soliton> it basically means rephrase in proper english.
20100925 11:32:29< CookieBite> it is the 0mp bug 
20100925 11:32:51< Soliton> ok. should that tell me anything?
20100925 11:33:35< CookieBite> its a bug that doesnt allow you to move 
20100925 11:33:40< CookieBite> after a player d.cs right?
20100925 11:34:56< Soliton> sounds like it.
20100925 11:35:01< CookieBite> oh i reproduced it last night; the server prolly has a replay of it
20100925 11:35:24< CookieBite> and it occurs when the bell turn hasnt worked 
20100925 11:35:30< CookieBite> and its your turn but you have d.ced
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20100925 11:35:49< CookieBite> not giving you back the control and activiating the movements
20100925 11:35:52 * CookieBite thinks
20100925 11:36:17< Soliton> you mean when you get control back you don't get the turn bell?
20100925 11:36:29< CookieBite> you dont get the box 
20100925 11:36:34< CookieBite> saying your turn 
20100925 11:36:49< CookieBite> and whatever goes with it
20100925 11:37:11< CookieBite> and it says stays on the last turns movements
20100925 11:37:17< CookieBite> so the units which had mp then 
20100925 11:37:19< CookieBite> you have what you didnt use
20100925 11:38:25< CookieBite> do you understand what im saying O.O 
20100925 11:38:37< CookieBite> or should i speak properly ?
20100925 11:38:59< Soliton> if you can...
20100925 11:39:28< Soliton> ok, seems like a client side thing so it'd might help if you quit wesnoth before reconnecting etc.
20100925 11:39:57< Soliton> presumably other players don't see the units as moved.
20100925 11:40:25< CookieBite> they just see 0mp
20100925 11:40:37< Soliton> the other players?
20100925 11:40:43< CookieBite> dont they?
20100925 11:40:51 * CookieBite checks a replay
20100925 11:40:55< Soliton> why would they?
20100925 11:41:24< CookieBite> because you have no mp
20100925 11:41:29< CookieBite> they see no mp
20100925 11:41:35< Soliton> nothing really moved as far as i understand.
20100925 11:41:44< CookieBite> otherwise your teammate would move your creatures
20100925 11:42:05< Soliton> huh?
20100925 11:42:33< CookieBite> when the host gives the control to teammate after you d.c; the teammate wont have any movementpoints either
20100925 11:42:48< Soliton> oh, i see.
20100925 11:43:03< Soliton> so the reconnect has nothing to do with it.
20100925 11:43:11< CookieBite> no 
20100925 11:43:19< CookieBite> but it kinda does 
20100925 11:44:27< CookieBite> when you reconnect the player would want their movement points to be regained
20100925 11:44:40< CookieBite> and when that bug does occur; you dont get that turns income either
20100925 11:45:12< Soliton> income happens at the start of the turn. it already happened.
20100925 11:45:52< CookieBite> no, you dont get it when you are the d.ced player
20100925 11:46:07< CookieBite> everything stays the same as last turn before you ended turn 
20100925 11:46:11< Soliton> when exactly does the disconnect happen?
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20100925 11:46:21< Soliton> in your turn?
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20100925 11:46:26< CookieBite> right before it is your turn
20100925 11:46:38< CookieBite> and your turn has not begun yet
20100925 11:46:44< Soliton> ok.
20100925 11:46:45< CookieBite> and you have not got the box 
20100925 11:46:50< CookieBite> saying it is your turn 
20100925 11:46:57< CookieBite> and you have not heard the bell ring
20100925 11:47:49< Soliton> so the turn should begin normally when the other player gets control but it doesn't...
20100925 11:48:33< Soliton> ok, now it makes sense.
20100925 11:49:02< CookieBite> i shouldve just said that, then explainning everything =="
20100925 11:49:09< CookieBite> wouldve saved a lot of typing
20100925 11:49:26< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, mind me trying to extend the wesnoth-tc gui to call from the header files rather than from the command line?
20100925 11:51:15< Soliton> CookieBite: so then there is probably no other workaround then to reload from the last player's save.
20100925 11:51:36< CookieBite> a save before the person d.ced- yes
20100925 11:51:41< CookieBite> otherwise no 
20100925 11:51:49< CookieBite> save after wont fix it
20100925 11:51:57< Soliton> of course.
20100925 11:52:21< CookieBite> if you want a better person to ask about this; Soul_Steven cmonyimann and others would be able to help better than i would
20100925 11:52:54< Soliton> nah, it's pretty clear now.
20100925 11:53:14< CookieBite> alright
20100925 11:53:23< CookieBite> so you dont need a replay ?
20100925 11:54:03< Soliton> i don't think it's gonna help much but post the link to the bug report (or upload it there).
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20100925 11:56:01< CookieBite> nah; thats bothersome; if you want it, it will be in todays replay file as my only 2v2 game 
20100925 11:56:34< CookieBite> and what is a parse? O.o
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20100925 11:58:04< Soliton> that's bothersome to explain.
20100925 11:58:27< CookieBite> google isnt helping too >.>
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20100925 11:59:46< CookieBite> oh and the bugs been around ever since 1.8 
20100925 12:00:00< CookieBite> but i think thats been mentioned
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