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20101001 00:21:24< fendrin> hi boucman
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20101001 00:21:36< boucman> hey all
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20101001 00:50:04< Daravel> hi, who do I talk to about getting a topic moved in the forum?
20101001 00:54:45< zookeeper> what thread and where to?
20101001 00:57:17< Daravel> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=31781
20101001 00:57:32< Daravel> and I don't know... I posted it in general because it applies to lots of people.
20101001 00:57:46< Daravel> But general is actually one of the places it doesn't belong
20101001 00:57:51< Gambit> It's fine in user's IMO
20101001 00:57:56< Daravel> general = user
20101001 00:58:14< Gambit> It doesn't really apply anywhere
20101001 00:58:18< Gambit> But it is useful to... users.
20101001 00:59:01< Gambit> That's where WSRW was announced and kept
20101001 00:59:06< Daravel> granted, but would the people who would use it, check the user forum and see it?
20101001 00:59:29< Daravel> WSRW was specifically for the average user, this is for the average content creator
20101001 00:59:43< Daravel> but if you want it in users, then that's fine by me
20101001 01:00:44< Gambit> Daravel: Well there really isn't a forum for content creators on a broad spectrum
20101001 01:00:56< Gambit> There are, as you can see, different forums for different types of content.
20101001 01:01:14< Gambit> Daravel: Make a wiki page and link it on... I think there's a page for external tools
20101001 01:02:21< Daravel> No, I suppose the only other solution would be to post it everywhere! I'll take a look at the wiki in a bit
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20101001 01:05:19< zookeeper> users' forum seems just the right place for that.
20101001 01:07:37< Daravel> Fair enough
20101001 01:14:22< Daravel> Who is the current maintainer of Utbs?
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20101001 01:18:32< zookeeper> Daravel, that's a bit fuzzy. partly me, partly espreon, partly no one. ;)
20101001 01:19:44< Daravel> Ahh, I'm just playing it as part of my work on TSoG and the dialogue could use some touching up
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20101001 01:22:19< Daravel> would it be accepted if I did some work on it?
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20101001 01:28:20< zookeeper> Daravel, well, sure, but without knowing what exactly you'll do it's hard to promise anything
20101001 01:30:06< zookeeper> if you do some touchups then i'd suggest posting them on the writer's forum
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20101001 01:31:40< Daravel> I'll restart the first scenario and work on that and PM it to you on the forum, if you want to see what kind of thing I'm talking about then look at what I do for TSoG here:http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=26670&start=210   - page 14, halfways down, the .rtf file
20101001 01:31:47< Daravel> and he's gone :)
20101001 01:32:14< esr> Daravel: No offense, but we've had some bad experiences in the past with people who thought they could improve campaign prose and ended up doing a lot of damage.  Consequently, we want to see changes in a form that allows review first.
20101001 01:32:45< Daravel> I've contributed some dialogue to A Tale of Two brothers
20101001 01:33:07< esr> I am the Lord of Prose, it'll be me doing the merging.  I'm responsible for ensuring that changes conform to the house style.
20101001 01:33:09< Daravel> plus, if you look at the thread I linked above, you can see how I work
20101001 01:33:35< esr> Looking...
20101001 01:34:10< Daravel> it's not my best, it's a work in progress. But as I said, some of my stuff in Two Brothers
20101001 01:35:42< esr> Oh, are you the guy who write the brothers' conflict backstory?
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20101001 01:36:56< Daravel> Not that I recall... I gave edits for the first scenario, which were then further edited, but it's still in there
20101001 01:37:24< esr> Oh.
20101001 01:37:53< Daravel> the thread appears to have been purged
20101001 01:38:24< Daravel> it was 2008 or so... So, I suppose that the TSoG is better to base a judgement on, and it is more work
20101001 01:40:00< esr> I skimmed your changes.  They look like good work.  I'll give it a closer reading when that become appropriate.
20101001 01:41:07< Daravel> I'm just going through the first scenario of UtBS, I'll private message them over to you and zookeeper - just to see what you think
20101001 01:43:03< esr> OK.
20101001 01:45:27< Daravel> Oh, has Eloh been renamed to Naia?
20101001 01:45:46< Daravel> or are they two different people?
20101001 01:45:53< esr> Not that I know of., Who was planning this?
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20101001 01:48:15< Daravel> Their god is 'Eloh', but Nym talks of a 'Naia' - I do not know who 'Naia' is
20101001 01:48:46< esr> I'll look.
20101001 01:49:10< esr> Oh, wait.  I think that's the Elvish name for one of the suns.
20101001 01:49:54< Arc> yea the elves named the two suns
20101001 01:50:34< Daravel> Ahh... That makes sense then
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20101001 02:14:03< Arc> unless you're making a UtBS-era game or working on UtBS it wouldn't seem relevant
20101001 02:17:17< Gambit> Sela and Naia IIRC
20101001 02:17:29< Gambit> And the cleverly named "moon"
20101001 02:17:37< Gambit> (oh wait... that's humans)
20101001 02:17:54< Gambit> There's also Gammac A, and Gammac B
20101001 02:18:06< Gambit> If you want to pull in thunderstone things.
20101001 02:19:47< Daravel> Well as I am now both working on an UtBS-era campaign and UtBS - it seems I should know :)
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20101001 02:25:42< Arc> Daravel: what race are you basing it on?
20101001 02:28:00< Daravel> It's not my campaign, it's The Sourjournings of Grog, by Eros
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20101001 02:32:23< shadowmaster> Gambit: moons
20101001 02:32:37< shadowmaster> we are supposed to have more than one moon according to esr
20101001 02:34:11< esr> Two, a greater and lesser one (the lesser one is small enough that it doesn't resolve to a disk to the naked eye).
20101001 02:34:19< Daravel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3753_Cruithne
20101001 02:34:23< Daravel> there is the second moon ^
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20101001 02:34:53< shadowmaster> and TBH there's nothing that says the suns were named by the elves, so I went for assuming they were named by the Powers That Be at the Empire of Wesnoth.
20101001 02:34:54< esr> Daravel: Heh.
20101001 02:35:27< Daravel> QI is useful for some things 
20101001 02:36:17< esr> Q1?
20101001 02:36:29< esr> Sorry, QI?
20101001 02:37:38< Daravel> British comedy quiz, it stands for "Quite interesting" and inversion of 'IQ' - essentially, they ask really obscure questions, with 'obvious' answers
20101001 02:38:01< Daravel> such as "how many moons does Earth have" - and they count Cuirthne as a moon, so the answer is 2
20101001 02:38:13< Daravel> but it is funny.
20101001 02:38:15< esr> Ahhhhhh.
20101001 02:39:10< Daravel> We're a strange bunch of people
20101001 02:39:12< esr> Nah, Cruithne isn't a moon of Earth because Earth isn't its primary   <- ESR is an astronomy geek :-)
20101001 02:39:37< esr> It's more like a Trojan asteroid, though not quite.
20101001 02:40:47< eleazzaar> it would be more legit to count every human-build satellite as one of earths' moons
20101001 02:41:02< esr> eleazzaar: Yes, it would be.
20101001 02:41:22< Daravel> Yes, I don't think the show has both of it's legs to stand on in terms of correct answers
20101001 02:41:46< Daravel> But it has Stephen Fry on it, so it's perfectly OK
20101001 02:42:25< eleazzaar> stephen fry will alwasy be in my mind as "jeeves" of "jeeves and wooster"
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20101001 02:42:42< eleazzaar> that's british commedy that i can laugh at
20101001 02:43:08< shadowmaster> "That's no moon. It's an object that just happens to have a very similar orbit to ours."
20101001 02:43:26< eleazzaar> shadowmaster: :P
20101001 02:43:55< Daravel> Stephen Fry always brings Blackadder to my mind
20101001 02:44:09< esr> I prefer: "That's no moon, it's GIANT ALIEN STARSHIP OHGODOHGOD..."   :-)
20101001 02:44:12< Daravel> and tea - as he did adverts for a tea company, and he is posh
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20101001 03:12:05< Espreon> Daravel: I am the maintainer of UtBS.
20101001 03:13:33< Daravel> Espreon: I'm just playing it, as I'm working on the dialogue for TSoG and I wanted some more basis for Elf and Troll speech
20101001 03:17:37< CIA-35> beetlenaut * r46845 /trunk/data/campaigns/Dead_Water/scenarios/09_The_Mage.cfg: Updated the chasm terrain code so the bats could appear in the chasm. (Fixes bug #16791)
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20101001 03:21:16< beetlenaut> If I fixed a bug, is it my responsibility to update the bug's status on gna? (Just out of curiosity at this point.)
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20101001 03:31:31< Daravel> esr: I've sent the PM with the changes for part of the first scenario
20101001 03:31:49< esr> OK.
20101001 03:38:21< Daravel> it's not a perfect set of changes - it's 2am. I've already noticed some mistakes
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20101001 03:41:51< Espreon> esr: If you're going to commit this work, please convert the single-character ellipses to three period ellipses.
20101001 03:42:04< esr> OK.
20101001 03:42:19< Daravel> those are just for a note... that would need removing first anyway
20101001 03:42:47< Daravel> 'Tanuil's keep' sounds lame.. it needs a name
20101001 03:43:21< Daravel> it wasn't written for commiting, it was to see whether you thoguht there was any point in me doing any more
20101001 03:43:54< CIA-35> alink * r46846 /trunk/src/ (cursor.cpp game_display.cpp sdl_utils.cpp sdl_utils.hpp): 
20101001 03:43:54< CIA-35> Improving constness and encapsulation of surface:
20101001 03:43:54< CIA-35> Provide a read-only access to pixels data and use it when appropriate.
20101001 03:43:54< CIA-35> Remove last use of SDL_Surface reference outside of surface.
20101001 03:43:59< CIA-35> alink * r46847 /trunk/src/ (15 files in 3 dirs): Improving constness of surface: forbid to blit on a const surface.
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20101001 03:54:39< eleazzaar> beetlenaut: at the very least mark it "ready for test."
20101001 03:55:50< CIA-35> eleazar * r46848 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: made the tropical ocean more distinct from tropical shallow.
20101001 03:56:10< beetlenaut> I marked it fixed and closed. I hope that doesn't step on anyone's toes. I noticed some bugs that were marked fixed, but were not closed.
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20101001 04:05:03< shadowm_laptop> fendrin: you never replied to me on the LoW feedback threads stuff
20101001 04:05:31< shadowm_laptop> beetlenaut: they are supposed to remain open until a release containing the fixes is made
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20101001 04:43:44< beetlenaut> shadowm_laptop: That explains that. Is it OK if I leave it this time? Several emails go out with every change.
20101001 04:45:02< shadowm_laptop> yeah, I don't think Ivanovic will mind
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20101001 06:09:31< fendrin> shadowm_laptop: hi, I am quite busy lately. I am not finished with creating all of the LoW feedback threads, maybe you wait until all of them are ready. If not go ahead and make them uniform.
20101001 06:10:46< shadowmaster> there's no need to wait since I'll quickly notice when an owned thread pops up.
20101001 06:11:02< shadowmaster> okay, I'll reassign them all then.
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20101001 06:56:42< shadowm_laptop> ew, LoW SP will need a per-forum max topics override
20101001 06:56:49< shadowm_laptop> I'll set it to 50 topics per page I guess
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20101001 09:44:03< brunowolff> Did the domain name registration for wesnoth.org expire?
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20101001 10:09:11< Rhonda> 65.18.193.12
20101001 10:09:43< Rhonda> Name Server:NOT-RENEWED.JOKER.COM
20101001 10:09:44< Rhonda> *sighs*
20101001 10:09:59< Rhonda> They must be joking
20101001 10:10:25< Rhonda> Can we kindly get the domain transferred to a real registrar with autorenew and service?
20101001 10:10:35< Rhonda> It's not the first time this happened. :/
20101001 10:11:42< Rhonda> Ivanovic, Soliton?
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20101001 10:22:36< Ivanovic> moin
20101001 10:22:55< Ivanovic> f***
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20101001 12:55:12< Rhonda> oh
20101001 12:55:19< Rhonda> Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
20101001 12:55:25< Rhonda> <ivanovic@wesnoth.org>: Host or domain name not found.
20101001 12:55:38 * Rhonda kicks herself. Was a pretty stupid idea, that. :)
20101001 12:56:13< Rhonda> Ivanovic: bounced :)
20101001 13:01:22< apoi> Rhonda: wesnoth.org doesn't resolve http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wesnoth.org
20101001 13:01:35< Rhonda> apoi: O'Rly :)
20101001 13:01:40< Ivanovic> apoi: we are already aware of this...
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20101001 13:17:52-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: DNS entry not working ATM, connect to 65.18.193.12 directly | 158 bugs, 297 feature requests, 14 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20101001 13:21:28< fendrin> zookeeper: Hello, may I ask for help with a bug in LoW?
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20101001 13:30:23< CIA-35> fendrin * r46849 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/maps/ (02_Hostile_mountains.map Kalian.map Lintanir.map): LoW: Map updates.
20101001 13:30:54< CIA-35> fendrin * r46850 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/02_Hostile_mountains.cfg: LoW 02: Fixed Landar's starting position in singleplayer mode.
20101001 13:35:37< CIA-35> fendrin * r46851 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/04_Elvish_Treasury.cfg: 
20101001 13:35:37< CIA-35> LoW 04: Tried to fix the player only watching the ai playing all sides but this ended in an engine crash.
20101001 13:35:37< CIA-35> https://gna.org/bugs/?16795
20101001 13:39:49< zookeeper> fendrin, yes, sure
20101001 13:40:07< zookeeper> might take a few moments for me to reply, though...
20101001 13:40:24< fendrin> zookeeper: I had the problem that players starting LoW scenario 4 only watched the ai playing all sides.
20101001 13:40:59< fendrin> zookeeper: I tried to fix it by adding controller=human to side one. But that causes wesnoth to abort with bug 16795.
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20101001 13:46:24< Gambit> janebot: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/
20101001 13:46:25< janebot> Gambit: I can't get that page for some reason.
20101001 13:46:27< Gambit> ?
20101001 13:47:01< Gambit> Oh it's in the topic. Nevermind :$
20101001 13:48:40< Rhonda> Gambit: http://65.18.193.12/irclogs/
20101001 13:49:03< Gambit> Rhonda: Thanks.
20101001 13:49:35< zookeeper> fendrin, well, what do you need? i can't fix engine bugs..
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20101001 13:50:18< Rhonda> Likewise with /wiki/ and /forum/ FWIW
20101001 13:50:57< fendrin> zookeeper: Yes, but I think there is something wrong with the wml. Even if it wouldn't crash I guess it won't work for some reason.
20101001 13:51:07< Gambit> Rhonda: Strange those work fine here.
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20101001 13:52:44< Rhonda> Gambit: What, those? forum.wesnoth.org and wiki.wesnoth.org?
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20101001 13:53:13< zookeeper> fendrin, well, i'm not familiar with LoW WML, especially the persistent sides and all...only no_leader=yes looks a bit odd to me
20101001 13:53:21< Gambit> Rhonda: Yes
20101001 13:53:48< Rhonda> Probably because you regularly use them and they got cached at your site before it went down.
20101001 13:54:02< Rhonda> janebot: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/
20101001 13:54:03< janebot> Rhonda: title: StartingPoints - Wesnoth
20101001 13:54:07< Rhonda> huhm
20101001 13:54:20< Rhonda> Right, she runs at your site, too?
20101001 13:54:22< Ivanovic> most likely some DNS cache stuff
20101001 13:54:23< Gambit> Yeah... she has no cache.
20101001 13:54:37< Rhonda> Gambit: _DNS_ cache. :)
20101001 13:54:37< Gambit> At least not the same as a browser one.
20101001 13:54:39< Gambit> Ah
20101001 13:54:57< Rhonda> The nameserver of yours still has the entries and not yet expired them.
20101001 13:55:07< Rhonda> They usually need a day to time out.
20101001 13:55:27< Rhonda> And if you're lucky (like you are) that happened yet
20101001 13:56:20< Gambit> You know... I think I *did* forget to check the logs yesterday :)
20101001 13:56:41< Rhonda> heh
20101001 13:57:44< Gambit> So I guess this means there are no Wesnoth developers in my immediate vicinity. :)
20101001 13:57:54< loonycyborg> Did wesnoth.org's ip changed or something?
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20101001 13:59:51< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: no, the DNS lease ran out
20101001 13:59:53 * Rhonda turns loonycyborg upside down
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20101001 14:00:14 * loonycyborg is already confused enough
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20101001 14:02:50< Ivanovic> no need to be confused at all
20101001 14:02:58< Ivanovic> wesnoth.org simply has *no* DNS entry atm
20101001 14:03:11< Rhonda> That's not true.
20101001 14:03:16< fendrin> zookeeper: Okay, thank you. I will have to wait until the engine bug is fixed.
20101001 14:03:22< Rhonda> It has no *nameserver* currently.
20101001 14:03:45< Rhonda> I'm pretty confident that the DNS entries are still there in the zonefile at the proper hosts.
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20101001 14:05:30< loonycyborg> But does it at least still have ip? :P
20101001 14:08:20< loonycyborg> nwm. It's 65.18.193.12
20101001 14:08:40< loonycyborg> Yay for wesnoth.debian.net :P
20101001 14:09:43< Rhonda> \o/
20101001 14:09:55 * Rhonda throws the topic at loonycyborg
20101001 14:10:11 * loonycyborg habitually ignores it
20101001 14:14:08< Johannes13> [DNS] Looking up 65.18.193.12...
20101001 14:14:08< Johannes13> [DNS] Canonical: wesnoth.wesnoth.org Numerical: 65.18.193.12
20101001 14:15:37-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: DNS entry not working ATM, connect to 65.18.193.12 directly | 159 bugs, 297 feature requests, 14 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20101001 14:16:38< Rhonda> Johannes13: So?  Reverse-Lookup does work, but that's not the issue.
20101001 14:17:17< Johannes13> [DNS] Lookup failed. Der angegebene Host ist unbekannt. 
20101001 14:17:28< Johannes13> happens...
20101001 14:17:51< Ivanovic> Johannes13: that is expected since the "MASTER" entry is not there!!!#
20101001 14:17:57< Ivanovic> no way that you could fix this...
20101001 14:18:12< Johannes13> I have a hosts file :P
20101001 14:18:16< Johannes13> I can fix it :P
20101001 14:18:35< Johannes13> (for me)
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20101001 14:54:18< CIA-35> thespaceinvader * r46852 /trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Add and wire new Drake Flameheart portrait. Update changelogs, portrait credits.
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20101001 15:08:00< CIA-35> fendrin * r46853 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (9 files in 3 dirs): LoW: Fixed starting positions.
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20101001 15:25:38< CIA-35> fendrin * r46854 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/Chapter_One_End.cfg: LoW Chapter One End: Dissallowed new game starting with this scenario.
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20101001 16:40:23< alink> hi
20101001 16:40:41< boucman> hey all
20101001 16:40:56< fendrin> hi
20101001 16:41:31< alink> what is the best way to merge trunk change into ogl branch when using git-svn?
20101001 16:42:09< alink> AI0867: ^ since I often saw you update branches
20101001 16:45:06< boucman> I would guess the usual git method would be the best... but I would google a little first to make sure
20101001 16:47:19< alink> yes trying that but I think i see several methods. I am trying one, I am not sure to resolve conflict right, but I will test
20101001 16:50:03< CIA-35> alink * r46855 /branches/ogl/ (98 files in 35 dirs): Merge trunk
20101001 16:50:19< alink> ok, done, now let's check if ok
20101001 16:52:22< alink> seems good and was surprisingly easy :)
20101001 16:52:47< boucman> git is amazing :)
20101001 16:52:57< boucman> if you do it on a regular basis it's usually easy
20101001 16:53:44< alink> yes git is nice, but I had worry about the git-svn part
20101001 16:53:53< alink> s/nice/very nice
20101001 16:58:40< Ivanovic> alink: interestingly wesnoth-gl is currently clearly not cpu bound over here with r600 classic from mesa
20101001 16:59:13< Ivanovic> i only get ~10fps in the top left corner of the first scenario of two brothers, but the wesnoth process does only use one core with ~70%
20101001 17:00:31< alink> hmmm the openGL calls used are probably mostly bound to memory-copy
20101001 17:00:32< Ivanovic> (and changing powerstate (aka lower clockrate of gpu/gpu-memory) of the graphics card does result in a change of fps
20101001 17:01:25< alink> but this will be more meaningfull when I will commit texture stuff, since it will use GPU memory
20101001 17:02:14< Ivanovic> yeah
20101001 17:02:39< Ivanovic> those numbers are just kind of "interesting side note"
20101001 17:03:12< alink> Ivanovic: and all the glitches are fixed ?
20101001 17:03:26< Ivanovic> have not retried fglrx
20101001 17:03:35< Ivanovic> but no more glitches with the open source drivers
20101001 17:03:52< alink> I think I have none here now, except alt-tab in GUI1/2
20101001 17:03:54< Ivanovic> though i *think* i saw something strange at the initial load screen, might be wrong though
20101001 17:04:08< Ivanovic> (the load screen before the main screen is shown)
20101001 17:04:48< Ivanovic> okay, right now i have a serious glitch with r600g, it does not display anything correctly...
20101001 17:05:42< Ivanovic> but it is likely driver related since i do use the latest git driver
20101001 17:07:02< alink> http://www.pastethat.com/sVVNB    now "just" need to texture these rectangles ;p
20101001 17:07:32< boucman> alink: almost there :P
20101001 17:08:03< alink> little game: identify each object of test-scenario :)
20101001 17:08:43< Ivanovic> the huge purple one seems to be a halo
20101001 17:10:00< alink> it's also intersting to see the order of terrain layers 
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20101001 17:18:00< Ivanovic> [17:13:13] <Ivanovic> what it currently looks like in r600g: http://imagebin.org/116556
20101001 17:18:05< Ivanovic> [17:13:26] <Ivanovic> what it looks like with gallium sw: http://imagebin.org/116557
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20101001 17:21:14< alink> mmh colors are ok, maybe a bad detection of screen width, because right and top part seems missing
20101001 17:21:28< alink> (and ogl start to draw from bottom left)
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20101001 17:23:00< alink> Ivanovic: I can investigate, but if you are bored, try drawing a big red circle in the left-bottom part of the map to see how and where it goes
20101001 17:23:33< Ivanovic> no need to look
20101001 17:23:43< Ivanovic> things will change anyway once you add more stuff
20101001 17:24:03< Ivanovic> and this might be a radeon bug, though i don't want to look into it right now and don't think it is important
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20101001 20:18:01< boucman> alink: quick remark, when you merge trunk to the OGL branch, you might want to write in the comment what (svn) rev you merged at...
20101001 20:18:24< boucman> you have that info in your git repo, but it's not exported to svn and someone else might need it at some point
20101001 20:19:47< alink> boucman: should be the same rev as the merge commit, unless someone commit during the short time of my conflit resolution.
20101001 20:19:55< alink> but ok, will do it next time
20101001 20:20:40< boucman> alink: that's true because you push your git commits right away... which you might not always be able to do, but yes it's mainly a good habit
20101001 20:21:34< alink> ok
20101001 20:23:39< alink> textures go well, already helps a lot performance
20101001 20:23:52< boucman> great
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20101001 20:50:30< Mica> Ivanovic: How are you?
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20101001 21:16:45< Gambit> Does GUI2 improve on ThemeWML at all?
20101001 21:18:14< silene> no
20101001 21:23:21< fendrin> hi silene. Do you want to investigate an engine bug?
20101001 21:24:30< Ivanovic> Mica: i am fine
20101001 21:24:37< Ivanovic> Mica: fine, what about you?
20101001 21:24:52< Mica> I'm good, thank you. How are the translations?
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20101001 21:27:14< Ivanovic> they seem to be working
20101001 21:27:16< Ivanovic> ;)
20101001 21:29:32< Mica> Good :)
20101001 21:30:43< Ivanovic> alink: cool!
20101001 21:53:58< CIA-35> silene * r46856 /trunk/src/team.cpp: Removed useless cast. (Fix for bug #16795.)
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20101001 22:00:38< silene> shadowmaster: concerning "Apply music alterations once all the commands have been processed.", this is no new behavior (in fact, i had to go to great lenghts not to break it); i guess the idea behind the original code is that the [music] tag should not start music instantly, otherwise you would never be able to randomize tracks
20101001 22:09:20< anonymissimus> where or how do you read about that discussion ? it was days ago IIRC; are you inspecting all of the irc logs ? :P
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20101001 22:14:47< silene> anonymissimus: on http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/ ; i'm only reading the discussions that mention me since the last time i joined
20101001 22:19:38< anonymissimus> are you fine with adding a helper.rand ? it's useful for lua-cutscenes and such but I'm afraid that its result vary when restarting the scenario which should not happen I think
20101001 22:20:22< anonymissimus> it does not when calling [set_vairbale]rand= from wml however, for the same start-of-scenario save
20101001 22:20:48< alink> Ivanovic: well, still far from perfect, I am barely back at SDL speed, but I only use the brute way, so many optimizations are possible
20101001 22:24:34< Arc> can gui2 be used right now at all?
20101001 22:24:53< Ivanovic> alink: hey, up to sdl speed is already a great achivement!
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20101001 22:26:16< alink> Ivanovic: yes I also thought that my texture soup would be worse
20101001 22:26:20< silene> anonymissimus: i don't understand; isn't your lua code using [set_variable]? so how can the behavior be different?
20101001 22:26:39< Ivanovic> Arc: ehm, GUI2 *is* used in many places
20101001 22:27:09< Arc> oh i thought it was unstable in some places and thus only used when a flag was set
20101001 22:27:15< silene> anonymissimus: i'm okay with helper.rand; but i may add back math.random (possibly under a different name) since i felt it was missing when writing a lua ai
20101001 22:27:37< Arc> im guessing places its not used is the loadup screen in the beginning for the text under the progress bar
20101001 22:27:50< Arc> and the help screen
20101001 22:28:35< boucman> alink: did/can/will you get rid of the invalidation code ?
20101001 22:28:44< Ivanovic> GUI2 is a "work in progress" replamcement
20101001 22:28:54< Ivanovic> so step by step things will be redone in gui2
20101001 22:29:39< alink> boucman: will probably try much later, but not ready yet
20101001 22:29:55< boucman> ok, you will probably see big gains at that point
20101001 22:30:17< boucman> since half of the unit anim code is about choosing what to invalidate and it is quite expensive
20101001 22:30:38< alink> Ivanovic: Aha, already beat SDL on a plain grass map: 85fps instead of 70fps in :benchmark mode. But not with more complex terrain 
20101001 22:31:02< Ivanovic> waiting for the commit so that i can test it
20101001 22:31:03< Ivanovic> ;)
20101001 22:31:21< alink> boucman: yeah but I am focusing on terrain for the moment, it's the more heavy on textures
20101001 22:31:58< boucman> i'm not sure what texture is from a OGL/technicall point of view... do you load all base png in gpu memory ?
20101001 22:32:00< alink> Ivanovic: probably not today, still various mysterious things to fix
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20101001 22:34:04< alink> most of them, but not the temporary ones. yeah for the moment, as I said, brute force ;)
20101001 22:34:51< alink> but I will stop improves that later  (and I need to)
20101001 22:34:59< alink> s/stop/
20101001 22:35:07< boucman> k... how will you decide which one to keep (eventually) LRU ? WML ?
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20101001 22:36:13< alink> that's the complex part, and I need to group and sort them. but not there yet
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20101001 22:36:48< silene> boucman: nothing is explicitly loaded in gpu memory; it's up to the graphic driver to transfer things (possibly using a lru to evince things, or possibly not, depending on the implementation)
20101001 22:37:03< boucman> ok
20101001 22:37:11 * boucman obviously never coded OGL
20101001 22:37:57< fendrin> silene: Thank you very much :-)
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20101001 22:46:17< alink> boucman: OpenGL is relatively nice, but need to get used to the state-based design
20101001 22:46:30< boucman> k
20101001 22:46:47< boucman> well, if at some point you want to look into the anim engine, just ping me...
20101001 22:47:27< alink> ok, but a lot of things to do before that :p
20101001 22:47:49< Ivanovic> :)
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20101001 23:07:02< shadowmaster> zookeeper: have you read this http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=459129#p459129 ?
20101001 23:08:36< zookeeper> shadowmaster, nope, reading..
20101001 23:10:45< zookeeper> shadowmaster, uh, yeah, i'd like to see that death event line gone...
20101001 23:13:04< zookeeper> and sure, there's no strong reason for the change besides that it's hideously boring that there's not a single female character in the campaign
20101001 23:13:56< zookeeper> anyway, esr wanted to add some kind of a subtle hint at romance in the epilogue. i don't agree that's a good idea, but i guess it wouldn't be a disaster either.
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20101001 23:15:53< cyrilb> hi
20101001 23:16:08< fendrin> Can we have some sort of homosexual romance in some mainline campaign? Just to set a mark.
20101001 23:16:27< zookeeper> fendrin, sounds good to me :P
20101001 23:16:38< Ivanovic> do we have any romance at the moment?
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20101001 23:18:52< esr> zookeeper: Epilogue to what?
20101001 23:18:56< zookeeper> Ivanovic, uh, konrad and li'sar, kalenz and cleodil (?) and maybe something in NR. nothing besides that AFAIK.
20101001 23:19:01< zookeeper> esr, to liberty of course
20101001 23:19:10< esr> zookeeper: Ah, yes.
20101001 23:19:38< esr> Still on my list but at very low priority and waiting on the new art.
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20101001 23:22:09< Arc> fendrin: +1
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20101001 23:25:16< Arc> ok im going to dig into the dreaded name translations, see if i cant get the core wesnoth fully translated
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20101001 23:27:38< zookeeper> fendrin, actually that'd be such a nice thing to have, if for nothing else then just for the inevitable silly protests. it'd have to be written especially well though.
20101001 23:28:04< Arc> actually the protests would help boost the game's popularity
20101001 23:28:57< Arc> protests -> gay bloggers -> more gay players
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20101001 23:29:47< Gambit> :\
20101001 23:29:50< Arc> plus you know how popular the iphone is with trendy gay culture, you can barely find a gay bar without some iphone nonsense on the wall (suggest a song apps, etc)
20101001 23:29:53< Gambit> That is just stupid.
20101001 23:30:10< Gambit> It's like thinking women would vote for John Mccain simply because he had a female vice president.
20101001 23:31:25< zookeeper> i highly doubt that the majority of new players or bloggers that _might_ hear about the game just because it features gay romance would be gay.
20101001 23:32:00< Arc> oh not just gay, but it would certainly get the game more exposure
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20101001 23:32:28< Gambit> No. It really wouldn't.
20101001 23:32:42< Arc> well lets do it and see
20101001 23:32:48< alink> better add a vampire romance if the main goal is popularity ;-p
20101001 23:32:51< Gambit> It'd just make the conservatives already in the community whine.
20101001 23:32:59< zookeeper> well, it _might_. a bit.
20101001 23:33:30< Arc> if they whine loudly enough that it warrants a slashdot/digg/reddit/etc article about the controversy
20101001 23:33:38< Espreon> alink: Don't you mean sparklemonster romance?
20101001 23:33:41< Arc> and from there a few words to a few gay bloggers..
20101001 23:33:54< zookeeper> alink, argh. all shows and movies about vampires except true blood are horrible. i don't understand how they can even manage to make them so bad.'
20101001 23:34:33< alink> zookeeper: oh so true blood is not like that? maybe I should check it then
20101001 23:35:13< Gambit> Arc: I think you overestimate how big a controversy homosexuality is. Sane people don't care.
20101001 23:36:03< Arc> as i said, lets do it and see
20101001 23:36:16< alink> Espreon: or butterflies ? http://crossedgenres.com/simf/2010/07/26/i-know-why-the-vampire-sparkles/
20101001 23:36:36< Arc> do it because the story would be good, not to build popularity, but i think it'd be an interesting social experiment to watch the outcome
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20101001 23:36:51< Espreon> alink: Oh wow...
20101001 23:37:26< shadowmaster> esr: may I just say that we don't need more romantic scenes in mainline?
20101001 23:37:37< shadowmaster> it'll get old quickly
20101001 23:38:01< Arc> i can tell you though that a lot of gay geeks are frustrated over a lack of representation in fantasy/scifi genre
20101001 23:38:17< esr> shadowmaster: I've alreadty done all the ones I thought were actually needed.  Don't worry, I have no desire to overdop this motif.
20101001 23:38:18< zookeeper> alink, oh, definitely not. i'm not saying it's perfect, but i find it really good.
20101001 23:38:24< shadowmaster> I mean, the Cleodil scene for example...just does NOT work for me.
20101001 23:39:36< shadowmaster> I'd quote a trope but half of the audience would punch me in the face for that.
20101001 23:40:01< zookeeper> alink, compared to utter crap like moonlight or vampire diaries it's awesome
20101001 23:40:09< esr> That's actually the only properly romatic scene I've added, I think.  I added one pretty odd quasi-romantic scene elsewhere, but the other cases are all polishing scenes already present.
20101001 23:40:32< alink> zookeeper: ok thanks for the tip
20101001 23:41:08< esr> And, note, the Cleodil scene was at the request of the campaign author.
20101001 23:41:48< esr> So let's not get the idea that I'm running around gratuitously strewing hearts'n'flowers here.
20101001 23:41:55< zookeeper> alink, also it has a lot of humour i enjoy, which can't be said of a lot of these other shows which seem to be aimed mainly at 15-year old girls :P
20101001 23:42:07< Arc> in both history and fantasy, romance and war often go hand and hand though
20101001 23:42:41< zookeeper> well, it's HBO, and i don't think i've ever watching anything from HBO which i disliked.
20101001 23:42:47< zookeeper> watched, even
20101001 23:43:23< esr> shadowmaster: And, BTW the Cleodil scene made my (not in the least sentimentalist) wife cry.  That's when I knew I'd gotten it right.
20101001 23:43:49< shadowmaster> right, but that won't c hange the fact that it doesn't work for me.
20101001 23:43:52< shadowmaster> *change
20101001 23:43:59 * esr shrugs
20101001 23:44:10< esr> Can't please evertone.
20101001 23:44:32< zookeeper> did you ask her _why_ it made her cry? :P
20101001 23:44:39< Gambit> Hehe
20101001 23:44:50< esr> She thought it was beautiful and told me so.
20101001 23:44:59< zookeeper> oh, ok... ;)
20101001 23:45:10< zookeeper> just checking
20101001 23:45:33< Arc> esr: would your wife cry from Sentel?
20101001 23:45:58< esr> Arc: Dunno, have no idea what you're talking about.
20101001 23:46:06< Arc> the latest blender movie
20101001 23:46:09< shadowmaster> and don't get me wrong. I'm not against romance in general. It's just that it doesn't fit in most mainline campaigns because of their narratie.
20101001 23:46:10< Arc> the ending is extremely sad
20101001 23:46:27< esr> shadowmaster: Actually, I agree with you on that.
20101001 23:46:36< shadowmaster> part of what got me stuck writing AtS was my failure at writing a mandatory romantic scene.
20101001 23:46:58< esr> Should have asked me to do it for you :-)
20101001 23:46:59< shadowmaster> (the other part is that I'm apparently getting the gamepay wrong again)
20101001 23:50:11< esr> I have to say I'm actually quite proud of that scene.  How often have you scene romantic interplay moving enough to make a rather tough-minded woman cry in, like four short lines of dialog? Something of technical feat, that.
20101001 23:50:32< esr> Second "scene" should be "seen",
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