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20101004 00:14:50< ilor> night
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20101004 00:46:44< shadowmaster> esr: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=459482#p459482
20101004 00:47:10< Gambit> Hmmm
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20101004 00:47:38< Gambit> If someone tells me the difficulty level I'll go fix that :)
20101004 00:47:53< Gambit> For me all campaigns are "insanely difficult"
20101004 00:50:06< Gambit> shadowmaster: Would you call it expert?
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20101004 04:32:42< AI0867> fendrin: I take it you also lack pyPgSQL?
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20101004 05:02:04< AI0867> alink: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/qBS0SAA1 same issues, different error messages
20101004 05:02:32< AI0867> there is also a stray blueish pixel in the top left corner of the window
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20101004 06:20:46< fendrin> AI0867: Hello
20101004 06:24:49< fendrin> AI0867: No, pyPgSQL is not a problem, you can easily install it on a debian based system with "apt-get install python-pgsql".
20101004 06:25:54< fendrin> I am now in a state where the script is able to fill the database. But now the webfrontend is not working.
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20101004 09:53:29< Ivanovic> moin
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20101004 11:09:34< Rhonda> Featured: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/10/01/flattr-foss-suggestions-oct-2010/
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20101004 11:40:13< Ivanovic> alink: just checked the gl branch with fglrx
20101004 11:40:23< Ivanovic> the general ghosting on the map is gone, just some tiny cases remaining:
20101004 11:40:45< Ivanovic> 1) the "fps" text leaves some ghosting in the border fade out thingie
20101004 11:40:59< Ivanovic> 2) menus leave some ghosting
20101004 11:41:48< Ivanovic> alink: here is the log output, some of your tests do fail: http://pastebin.com/Nm69i4ri
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20101004 14:20:34< zookeeper> urgh, [store_reachable_locations] is reeeally slow...
20101004 14:22:30< zookeeper> funnily enough, it's not slow except when using range=attack, in which case the performance just explodes.
20101004 14:24:42< zookeeper> when without range=attack it might take, say, 50ms to run a loop which uses [store_reachable_locations], adding range=attack can blow that to like 5000ms.
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20101004 14:37:18< nNa> ivanovic, are you there?
20101004 14:37:25< Ivanovic> yeah
20101004 14:37:56< nNa> i've got some problems.. in wesnoth-tutorial, i would need more strings.. some sentences are only for male, but i need female ones
20101004 14:38:16< nNa> for example: "I'll recruit some elves."
20101004 14:38:36< nNa> is there any way i could add it in .po file, or do you have to do it?
20101004 14:38:55< nNa> there are about 10 of these sentences
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20101004 14:40:19< zookeeper> are you translating for trunk or 1.8?
20101004 14:40:27< nNa> 1.8
20101004 14:41:27< zookeeper> oh, ok. nevermind then. (the tutorial is getting rewritten in 1.9 so there's no point in working on the old tutorial's translations there anymore)
20101004 14:41:55< nNa> oh, ok
20101004 14:42:08< nNa> what about plural forms? i would need to change them
20101004 14:42:47< nNa> i have plural forms for 1, 2, 3 and 5+ but i would need for 4 too
20101004 14:43:43< zookeeper> i don't know much about that stuff, and i'm going afk for a while...
20101004 14:43:51< nNa> ok
20101004 14:43:57< nNa> who can i ask about the plural forms?
20101004 14:44:15< zookeeper> (well, i know that supporting translations that need lots of plural forms like that is a pain...)
20101004 14:44:21< zookeeper> Ivanovic most likely
20101004 14:44:48< nNa> ok, thanks
20101004 14:45:38< Ivanovic> nNa: honestly, since it will all be rewritten in 1.9 *anyway* it makes no sense to change stuff for 1.8 which is basically not getting new releases anyway
20101004 14:46:02< Ivanovic> and no, i don't know how exactly this plural forms stuff is supposed to work
20101004 14:46:13< Ivanovic> though it *should* just work with the right header defined
20101004 14:46:31< Ivanovic> if the string does support different plural forms that is
20101004 14:46:39< nNa> i know how to change them, but i thought you have to change something
20101004 14:47:33< Ivanovic> like i said, no wml changes for 1.8 planned
20101004 14:47:37< nNa> so i can just change them, no need to tell you?
20101004 14:47:57< Ivanovic> and since zookeeper works on a new tutorial anyway it makes no sense to change the old stuff to "better plural support"
20101004 14:48:14< nNa> ok
20101004 14:48:20< Ivanovic> nNa: if the specific string does support plurals (no idea what is required in wml to allow this...) it should "just work"
20101004 14:48:38< nNa> can i send you what i've done so far? it's not much changed, lots of fuzzy stuff
20101004 14:50:35< Ivanovic> you can send it, sure, though i won't apply it right away since i am busy with some other stuff
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20101004 14:51:24< nNa> ok, no problem
20101004 14:53:47< nNa> ok, sent
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20101004 15:57:03< alink> AI0867: yeah the stray pixel is normal, I draw it during my test. That also means that writing works and thus the problem is reading
20101004 15:57:42< alink> unless it write incorrectly (bad color or place)
20101004 16:01:01< alink> I could improve these tests, but I will ignore this for a while and instead work on using other gl calls (the more final ones)
20101004 16:01:23< alink> Ivanovic: interesting, that means that it's just a problem with front buffer
20101004 16:02:11< alink> but my test is too demanding, I don't read front buffer in game, just during the test to check if write works
20101004 16:03:03< alink> and since the game draws stuff, that means that write works
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20101004 16:03:30< alink> I'll try to fix the last ghosting with the same method
20101004 16:05:28< CIA-35> alink * r46912 /branches/ogl/src/sdl_utils.cpp: Also disable blending when blitting from screen, since it seems to fix "ghosting" on some driver
20101004 16:05:55< Ivanovic> alink: rebuilding with r46912
20101004 16:06:19< alink> ok, but I must afk soon
20101004 16:06:35< Ivanovic> alink: should be done in a min
20101004 16:06:53< Ivanovic> alink: and the issue with r600g is nothing you can fix
20101004 16:07:27< Ivanovic> it is a driver issue caused by tiling only being implemented partitially (that is why it worked with 2.6.35 (the kernel drm did not support tiling) and does not with r600g when using 2.6.36)
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20101004 16:08:22< alink> well, if other openGL apps works, then I can fix it, just need to use more standard openGL calls ;)
20101004 16:08:42< alink> (which is planned when the SDL emulator will be not needed anymore)
20101004 16:09:39< Ivanovic> okay, ghosting of the menu in fglrx is fixed
20101004 16:10:03< Ivanovic> now it is just text displayed (like the fps counter) that does ghost in the map fadeout area
20101004 16:10:10< Ivanovic> i'd say: ignore this one!
20101004 16:10:23< alink> good, and thanks silene for mentionning the alpha from screen
20101004 16:10:47< alink> Ivanovic: ah the fps sill has it ?
20101004 16:10:49< Ivanovic> regarding the r600g stuff: don't attempt to fix it, makes not sense, other apps suffer from the same issue
20101004 16:10:55< alink> ok
20101004 16:11:27< alink> but "using more standard openGL calls"  is part of the global plan anyway
20101004 16:11:27< Ivanovic> yeah, just turning on fps and trying to scroll up at the left map border makes this appear
20101004 16:11:48< Ivanovic> sure
20101004 16:12:00< alink> Ivanovic: and normal map labels are ok (like in test-scenario)
20101004 16:12:08< Ivanovic> the matter is: if tiling is broken many textures will be broken, so standard ones might be problematic, too
20101004 16:13:01< Ivanovic> no ghosting with anything on the map itself
20101004 16:13:25< Ivanovic> the ghosting only happens with the overlay placed upon the unwalkable map fade out and text shown above the game map
20101004 16:13:40< Ivanovic> (eg the <lua> message or fps: or probably ingame chat
20101004 16:14:05< alink> hmm ok weird but yeah not important
20101004 16:14:11< alink> and I must go now, bbl
20101004 16:14:22< Ivanovic> cu
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20101004 16:30:04< CIA-35> ivanovic * r46913 /trunk/ (25 files in 24 dirs): updated Slovenian translation
20101004 16:30:07< CIA-35> ivanovic * r46914 /branches/1.8/ (25 files in 24 dirs): updated Slovenian translation
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20101004 16:34:34< zookeeper> eleazzaar, FYI: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=459658#p459658 just in case you're planning something for the stone walls too...
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20101004 16:40:12< CIA-35> ivanovic * r46915 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: updated Slovenian credits entry
20101004 16:40:27< CIA-35> ivanovic * r46916 /branches/1.8/data/core/about.cfg: updated Slovenian credits entry
20101004 16:43:42< fendrin> wesbot: seen esr?
20101004 16:43:42< wesbot> fendrin: The person with the nick esr last spoke 1d 19h ago.  40m 37s ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Remote host closed the connection
20101004 16:47:41< fendrin> Gambit: Do you know how to mark a thread done in the forum?
20101004 16:48:03< Gambit> fendrin: What theme are you using?
20101004 16:48:17< Gambit> On prosilver you edit the first post and it is just above the thread title box
20101004 16:51:05< Ivanovic> off now for some hours (might be till tomorrow, not sure yet)
20101004 16:51:06< Gambit> fendrin: I got it
20101004 16:51:06< Ivanovic> cu
20101004 16:51:09< Gambit> Bye
20101004 16:51:34< fendrin> Gambit: got it as well, thank you very much :-)
20101004 16:51:56< Gambit> fendrin: So has the bot been working well?
20101004 16:52:16< fendrin> Gambit: which bot? 
20101004 16:52:50< Gambit> janebot
20101004 16:54:44< fendrin> Gambit: What has she to do with it? Sorry, I don't quite understand the context.
20101004 16:55:16< Gambit> Ah sorry. The question was unrelated to the previous conversation.
20101004 16:56:02< fendrin> janebot: Do you work well?
20101004 16:56:03< janebot> fendrin: That is none of your concern.
20101004 16:56:20< fendrin> :-)
20101004 16:57:14< Gambit> I was just wondering if she was reliably reporting forum posts to you.
20101004 16:58:09< Gambit> I'm conceptualizing a system where she keeps track of the last post reported to a person in the case of people not being online
20101004 16:58:48< Gambit> But it is rather far off yet. It would require her to keep a current state of all the channels she's in like wesbot and shikadibot do.
20101004 16:59:54< Gambit> Or just lot's of /who 'ing
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20101004 17:19:08< fendrin> Gambit: It is working well for the experimental subforum. Or at least I believe it is working well.
20101004 17:21:13< Gambit> Oh I see. Nobody is posting in the LoW forums :(
20101004 17:21:36< Gambit> Err wait yes they are. hmmm
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20101004 17:22:58< Gambit> Oh no they're not. Those are from 2008ish.
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20101004 18:06:02< ancestral> Hmm
20101004 18:07:38< ancestral> So I'm putting work into my "Bestiary" project again, and I guess I'm unsure if I should read data through PHP or JavaScript?
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20101004 18:11:10< ancestral> I'm curious as far as speed and resources which would be better. Currently the idea is to separate the unit data into .json files, one for each unit, and then load them as needed.
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20101004 18:26:17< Arc> ancestral: is the data static?  because you could just write them into html snippets then use a little javascript to load them where needed
20101004 18:27:10< ancestral> Yes, that's essentially the idea
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20101004 18:28:07< ancestral> jquery has $.getJSON and PHP has a json_encode
20101004 18:28:14< ancestral> er decode
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20101004 18:29:01< lgn> hi
20101004 18:29:35< ancestral> I'm leaning towards doing it fully JavaScript. But yes, when the page loads it will load a json file of just that unit (hit points, level, portrait, etc.)
20101004 18:30:19< ancestral> If the user clicks a link to another unit, it will load that unit onto the page (instead of loading another html file)
20101004 18:31:18< lgn> I build the 1.91 Version yesterday on debian-lenny and experience some issues with it playing the 'Legend of Wesmere' multiplayer campaign with 2p
20101004 18:33:24< lgn> after scenario Ki'lian under attack the game doesn't progress to the next scenario
20101004 18:33:57< lgn> the host is kicked back to the lobby
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20101004 18:34:28< lgn> my brother is playing the windows build downloaded from wesnoth.org
20101004 18:36:41< lgn> furthermore, but think this is already known (as it was also in 1.8) is that the character Galtrid (?) is displayed as Kalenz in dialogs and the right-click menu
20101004 18:38:14< ancestral> Arc: This is the template, in case your'e curious: http://mproud.com/wesnoth/bestiary/elvish_marksman.html
20101004 18:38:32< lgn> I got the sources via svn..could this be a problem (slightly different versions)
20101004 18:39:25< ancestral> And this is a sample unit json file (http://pastebin.com/VqgrF4tb)
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20101004 18:53:28< eleazzaar> zookeeper: My intention with the stone wall/cave walls is to redo them so both fit together seamlessly.
20101004 18:53:30< eleazzaar> I think i demonstrated in photoshop that it can work, but i haven't yet alerted the cut shapes to my satisfaction. This would use the normal corner transitions. Of course at this point i'm not certain that it would work, and i may not get back to it for a while.
20101004 19:03:21< zookeeper> eleazzaar, ok... see, the main problem with the stone walls being so intrusive seems to be that they're way higher than the cave wall, which makes the from-south tiles cover a heck of a lot more of the hexes north of them
20101004 19:03:56< zookeeper> so my idea was to make them an overlay terrain and make the walls a lot thinner; the only reason they're so thick now is that they need to cover the entire hex
20101004 19:04:26< zookeeper> however, i'm not sure how well that'd work with shroud... it'd need a bit of experimentation
20101004 19:05:14< zookeeper> in any case i really think the stone walls can't remain as they are, they're IMO very difficult to use so that they actually end up looking nice
20101004 19:08:01< zookeeper> also, note that i don't think you can keep the straight diagonal walls if you use the regular corner macros and cutting style
20101004 19:09:05< zookeeper> well, straight horizontal walls either.
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20101004 19:50:27< silene> zookeeper: the slowdown you are experiencing with range=attack is expected due to the current approach (basically, you are multiplying, the number of location match by 7, and you are adding more complex slf on top of that)
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20101004 19:51:05< silene> but it doesn't have to be that way; if you feel like it, i can tell you how to bring the performance in par with range=movement; otherwise, i will take care of it next week-end
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20101004 20:11:38< CIA-35> alink * r46917 /trunk/src/minimap.cpp: 
20101004 20:11:38< CIA-35> Probably fix crash reported in forum (on Elensefar Court with OSX)
20101004 20:11:38< CIA-35> Can't reproduce it, but revert recent change and should be safer.
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20101004 20:13:17< Taiy> hi
20101004 20:13:25< alink> hi Taiy
20101004 20:13:40< Taiy> who is the competent person here?ű
20101004 20:14:21< alink> There is many competent persons here but in differtent domains :)
20101004 20:14:42< Taiy> my company would like to cooperatw with yours
20101004 20:14:45< Gambit> Taiy: It might be best to just ask your questions, and let those who can answer answer them.
20101004 20:14:47< Taiy> so in these case :D
20101004 20:15:05< alink> Taiy: your company ?
20101004 20:15:27< Taiy> yoeah. A publication company
20101004 20:15:29< alink> and I am not sure that we qualify as a "company"
20101004 20:15:51< Taiy> we tried started a jazz radio station
20101004 20:15:52< Taiy> ok
20101004 20:16:13< Taiy> i know that you are not a company just group
20101004 20:16:21< Taiy> but the program has ownerd
20101004 20:16:23< Taiy> owners
20101004 20:16:34< alink> hum what is the link between a jazz radio station and wesnoth? Our music tracks ?
20101004 20:18:36< Taiy> no. not really. We are a media and program publicator group
20101004 20:19:00< Taiy> and we try to collect and help to improve the projects and help to make it more popular
20101004 20:20:57< alink> link ?
20101004 20:21:19< alink> i mean do you have a site ?
20101004 20:21:34< Taiy> the radio company's site: www.piratejazz.com
20101004 20:25:13< alink> I am confused, what are you proposing exactly ?
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20101004 20:28:26< alink> weird stuff
20101004 20:29:36< alink> am I the only one who missed the point ?
20101004 20:30:50< zookeeper> silene, i'm afraid that if you'd tell me how to do it, you'd need to be specific enough that there'd be not much difference to just writing it yourself.. ;)
20101004 20:31:50< zookeeper> alink, no, you aren't
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20101004 21:08:37< fendrin> hello
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20101004 21:20:30< lgn> hi
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20101004 22:14:28< eleazzaar> zookeeper: the effect of corner transitions can be altered by the way the pieces are cut
20101004 22:14:52< eleazzaar> ...observe the chasm
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20101004 22:51:44< nNa> Testing, 1, 2, 3
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