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20101005 01:28:44< CIA-35> fendrin * r46918 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
20101005 01:28:44< CIA-35> LoW: Wired in a new portrait for HaldricII from kitty.
20101005 01:28:44< CIA-35> Fixed some multiplayer scenario setups.
20101005 01:28:44< CIA-35> Fixed Kalenz and Landar showing up instead of Galtrid and El'Isomitir in scenario 03.
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20101005 02:43:13< fendrin> shadowmaster: Hello.
20101005 02:43:22< shadowmaster> hi there.
20101005 02:43:26 * shadowmaster is afraid.
20101005 02:43:35< fendrin> Why are you afraid?
20101005 02:43:52< shadowmaster>  I suspect you want to ask me something?
20101005 02:44:05< fendrin> Sure. It is in fact more like a feature request.
20101005 02:44:15< shadowmaster> for mainline?
20101005 02:44:20< fendrin> Yes.
20101005 02:44:44< shadowmaster> hm, no promises. I'm not really comfortable with coding in mainline nowadays.
20101005 02:45:07< fendrin> Me as well. All I do gets usually rejected for some stupid reason.
20101005 02:45:29< fendrin> That is why I have to bug other people doing it for me.
20101005 02:46:00< fendrin> Why are you not comfortable with coding for mainline?
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20101005 02:47:29< shadowmaster> I feel like mainline already has all departments handed to competent people atm, and that I could be stepping on other people's toes if I attempted to do something.
20101005 02:48:12< shadowmaster> either that or most possible tasks are already reserved by people who don't have time to implement stuff but who don't feel comfortable with third parties messing up with their code anyway.
20101005 02:48:47< fendrin> Well, I don't want to express my feelings about that on a public channel, at least not until I decide to quit willingly.
20101005 02:48:52< shadowmaster> and my rewrite of the storyscreen code isn't exactly inspiring to me either.
20101005 02:48:55< Gambit> That leaves only one option.
20101005 02:48:58< Gambit> You must code...
20101005 02:49:02< Gambit> the impossible!
20101005 02:49:24< fendrin> Anyway, the storyscreen is exactly what about I wanted to talk to you.
20101005 02:49:35< shadowmaster> -.-’
20101005 02:50:05< shadowmaster> what's it about?
20101005 02:50:55< fendrin> I am not anymore happy with using background= for displaying the portraits in LoW's story only scenarios. I need to align them to the borders since I don't have images that aren't cut at at least one side.
20101005 02:51:10< fendrin> But I think [image] isn't going to work well for me for that.
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20101005 02:52:04< fendrin> I remember old amiga games like "Sinbad and the throne of the falcon".
20101005 02:52:31< shadowmaster> I suppose a [image] anchor= attribute wouldn't hurt.
20101005 02:52:43< fendrin> There story was told by just blending character portraits on a background image during a conversation. 
20101005 02:52:45< shadowmaster> once I figure out the design.
20101005 02:55:13< shadowmaster> fendrin: you might want to post a thread in Developer Discussions outlining your idea with some mock-ups then
20101005 02:55:40< shadowmaster> again, I'm not sure I'll ever get to it myself since I don't feel comfortable touching my own code anymore. That thing really needs another rewrite
20101005 02:55:50< shadowmaster> I overengineered that thing.
20101005 02:56:14< fendrin> shadowmaster: Oh no. Please just code the anchor thing. It's not a great deal and discussion is what I had enough on that damn list for the rest of my life.
20101005 02:56:45< shadowmaster> list?
20101005 02:56:49< shadowmaster> I meant forum
20101005 02:57:23< shadowmaster> you might want to file a FR and assign it to me anyway
20101005 02:57:27< shadowmaster> otherwise I'm likely to forget it
20101005 02:59:58< fendrin> Okay, I will do so.
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20101005 06:35:17< shadowmaster> interesting. http://www.ifinity.com.au/Blog/EntryId/73/The-New-SEO-Spam-Threat-Human-Spam-Bots
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20101005 06:37:40< shadowmaster> so I'm pretty much doomed to continue checking new members' posts for the rest of my life.
20101005 06:38:08< shadowmaster> fun. I'd better gather more Forum Moderators if I ever get tired of banning 1-3 of those spammers per day.
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20101005 08:53:11< ancestral> AI0867: Next time you're on I have a question about wmlparser.py
20101005 09:07:07< ancestral> or anyone else who knows a thing or two about it
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20101005 09:48:01< Ivanovic> moin
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20101005 11:16:43< CIA-35> ivanovic * r46919 /trunk/ (10 files in 9 dirs): updated Galician and Portuguese (Brazil) translation
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20101005 13:04:29< Ivanovic> everyone: have you heard about the font that the ubuntu folks are working on?
20101005 13:04:50< Ivanovic> their basic aim is creating a font that does support just about every charset there is
20101005 13:05:25< Ivanovic> what do you think, should we (once the asian fonts are covered well, too) maybe try to integrate this one in wesnoth (or at least evaluate if it is worth the work)?
20101005 13:06:26< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46920 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/scenarios/14_Rough_Landing.cfg: Spaced out the serpent spawns a bit and improved the code a bit.
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20101005 13:19:07< Ivanovic> http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/ttf-ubuntu-font-family
20101005 13:19:56< Ivanovic> this is supposed to be the website for the font: http://font.ubuntu.com/
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20101005 13:26:00< Rhonda> yes?
20101005 13:26:24< Rhonda> Ah, see the question.
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20101005 13:27:55< Rhonda> The license has issues from a quick glance.
20101005 13:28:39< Rhonda> It enforces a rename of the font or enforces having to carry the name of the font on something as fuzzy as "substantially changed" which is far from clear what it means.
20101005 13:30:45< Rhonda> So unchanged might be fine, but any change is a can of worms for that font.
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20101005 14:14:14< Rhonda> <sladen> Rhonda: okay, zh_CN will take a while (47,000 characters, or which 4,000-5,000 are needed)
20101005 14:14:32< Rhonda> Ivanovic: And https://launchpad.net/bugs/655096
20101005 14:15:02< Rhonda> I would rather wait for that bugreport to be discussed before any more serious discussion (and through that expectation raising) is done.
20101005 14:15:30< Ivanovic> we can only really consider it once the feature set is at least identical to dejavu
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20101005 14:15:42< Ivanovic> which is not the case yet (since dejavu does include arabic and hebrew)
20101005 14:16:30< Ivanovic> and yeah, those parts are problematic
20101005 14:16:47< Ivanovic> (of the license)
20101005 14:17:05< Ivanovic> though in general in wesnoth we just update to the latest upstream version of fonts used every now and then
20101005 14:26:17< Rhonda> Right, but if the license is troublesome in that respect and thus can't be interpreted as free software we are stumbling into distribution troubles, at least for packagers.
20101005 14:26:38< Rhonda> But also for us because it's not our font so we can't disregard the license.
20101005 14:26:55< Rhonda> Anyway, file bugreports about needed glyphs/scripts in here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+filebug?field.tags=uff-expansion&field.title=Please%20support
20101005 14:27:15< Rhonda> I got told that dropping in the characters we have in our japanese and chinese translations might be a good starting point. ;)
20101005 14:27:24< Rhonda> So they know what to focus on for those languages.
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20101005 14:30:56< Ivanovic> have they also told you how to extract such a list out of textfiles?
20101005 14:32:45< Rhonda> It was my suggestion, but that shouldn't be too hard, is it.
20101005 14:33:19< Rhonda> I mean, it's easily scriptable. msgfmt with insanely high line length setting, grep for msgstr, cut -d" -f2
20101005 14:33:48< Rhonda> And then split on each character, sort | uniq -c | sort -n
20101005 14:33:57< Rhonda> And you even have the characters sorted by popularity
20101005 14:38:52< fendrin> hi Crab_
20101005 14:39:25< Crab_> hi!
20101005 14:39:37< fendrin> Crab_: I did manage to create a local database and it seems to get filled by the ai_test script. But the webfrontend to read the results is not working.
20101005 14:39:44< fendrin> Crab_: Are those files outdated?
20101005 14:40:16< Crab_> strange, they worked for me. I'll check the versions 'on the webserver' tonight.
20101005 14:40:24< Crab_> anything in the logs ? db logs / other logs
20101005 14:42:08< fendrin> Crab_: If those things work for you, why don't you just compile the pathfind branch, and run the script, please? I have wasted much time to get it work, and for you it is just a matter of a single run.
20101005 14:42:45< Rhonda> Sweet.
20101005 14:43:27< Crab_> fendrin: I'll try, but there's still major time issues at the moment, so it's harder to find the time for it. If it's not something you want 'right now', I can do it.
20101005 14:43:50< Rhonda> Ivanovic: http://paste.debian.net/93467/
20101005 14:43:54 * Rhonda hides.  :)
20101005 14:44:25< Ivanovic> Rhonda: and since you got a launchpad account (i don't have one)
20101005 14:44:43< Ivanovic> you could now run this on the files for the following textdomains:
20101005 14:44:45< Rhonda> heh
20101005 14:46:42< fendrin> Crab_: it's not urgent.
20101005 14:46:55< Ivanovic> jp, zh_TW, zh_CN, id (not sure what they use), vi, ko
20101005 14:47:04< Ivanovic> (though 'ko' is not this important in the list)
20101005 14:47:15< Crab_> fendrin: ok
20101005 14:47:18< Ivanovic> and maybe also add en@shaw since i got no idea if the stuff is already included
20101005 14:47:57< Ivanovic> in theory mr (some indian lang) would be interesting/relevant, too, but only 289 strings are translated in 1.8 for this lang
20101005 14:48:18< Ivanovic> ko is not this much better with 657 translated and 467 fuzzy
20101005 14:48:44< Ivanovic> but jp, zh_TW, zh_CN, id and vi are all active translation
20101005 14:48:47< Ivanovic> +s
20101005 14:55:39< Rhonda> Erm, what is id?
20101005 14:55:53< Ivanovic> indonesian
20101005 14:55:57< Rhonda> That one doesn't use any characters out of the ordinary?
20101005 14:56:06< Ivanovic> could be
20101005 14:56:08< Rhonda> Same with vietnamese?
20101005 14:56:12< Ivanovic> i just listed the "common" asian langs
20101005 14:56:14< Rhonda> Or I am missing something here.
20101005 14:56:28< Ivanovic> (those that are receiving most updates in regards to wesnoth)
20101005 14:56:46< Rhonda> Hmm, right, vietnamese does …
20101005 14:56:46< Rhonda> my fault here.
20101005 14:56:56< Rhonda> My shell magic is b0rked. :)
20101005 14:57:01< Ivanovic> :)
20101005 14:57:19< Rhonda> vietnamese has this: "Số giây cần chờ phản hồi ping trước khi hết giờ. Vô hiệu lực bằng 0."
20101005 14:57:20< Ivanovic> "your shell foo is strong but practice you got to!"
20101005 14:57:31< Ivanovic> yeah, looks vietnamese to me
20101005 14:57:33< Rhonda> Now I wonder why it doesn't show up
20101005 14:57:57< Ivanovic> those might already be included in the accented version stuff, not sure though
20101005 14:58:19< Rhonda> I think my egrep -v '[a-zA-Z,0-9]$' does also filter those out
20101005 14:58:22< Rhonda> But I have no clue why.
20101005 14:58:47< Rhonda> Ivanovic: ự most probably not, and neither ằ
20101005 14:58:55< Ivanovic> like i said, those might already be included usaually, but not sure
20101005 14:59:28< Ivanovic> at least those chars are all included in dejavu or i would just see many squares right now
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20101005 15:38:26< shadowmaster> fendrin: Maybe you'd want to post in http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=31721&start=30
20101005 15:38:47< shadowmaster> I'm too lazy to try to explain those guys that more stuff goes on behind the scenes (i.e. on IRC) than it seems.
20101005 15:50:21< zookeeper> doesn't seem like a very interesting thread...
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20101005 16:06:15< fendrin> shadowmaster: No, I have dropped all work on the new cycle/utbs. I don't see a chance for me to work with Espreon again in a productive way, if it ever has been.
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20101005 16:17:25< fendrin> shadowmaster: And as far as I know there is not any work going on behind the scenes. To my understanding everything will stay like it has been for the last few years. Only the introduction of some units from IFTU is planned and maybe the sand dancer unit.
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20101005 16:20:32< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, have you intentionally left the drake flare line to use the claws sound?
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20101005 16:21:11< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: no, not intentionally
20101005 16:21:22< thespaceinvader> sword-swish would probably be more appropriate
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20101005 16:58:28< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46921 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/scenarios/19_The_Vanguard.cfg: Rewrote the undead spawn timing so that the backup spawn for each enemy side now occurs when that side has lost half of its units.
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20101005 17:44:51< shadowmaster> fendrin: I really doubt Espreon is going to do any work on it in the first place
20101005 17:45:27< shadowmaster> I suppose things will have to stay as they are then though.
20101005 17:45:39< fendrin> shadowmaster: Why that? He was eager to take over the campaign. At least I had a very strong impression he was.
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20101005 17:47:00< shadowmaster> I'll talk with you later in the evening, I've got to go right now.
20101005 17:48:34 * shadowmaster is a fool and fails at making appointments IRL
20101005 17:50:15< fendrin> shadowmaster: Okay, I will be there.
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20101005 19:02:57< dipseydoodle> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=29549 If any MP devs could take a look at it... I know it was needed a while back... And propably still is.
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20101005 19:03:23< dipseydoodle> The cross.png image
20101005 19:03:58< Gambit> more specific link: http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=39858
20101005 19:04:36< dipseydoodle> TSI didn't like that one link.
20101005 19:06:06< dipseydoodle> Any comments... anybody?
20101005 19:09:03< Unnheulu> Hiya dipseydoodle
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20101005 19:09:50< Unnheulu> dipseydoodle, what's wrong with using python?
20101005 19:09:57< Unnheulu> Just stay away from python 3.x for now
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20101005 19:20:03< anonymissimus> zookeeper: regarding bug #16820; I think you are mistaken
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20101005 19:20:24< anonymissimus> the engine does not check whether a leader unit has been killed, even in regular combat
20101005 19:20:53< zookeeper> ok, well, it checks for something, since the scenario ends when your leader dies
20101005 19:20:59< anonymissimus> it just appears to be this way since there is always an according die or last breath event with [endlevel]result=defeat
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20101005 19:21:59< zookeeper> anonymissimus, as long as the scenario doesn't have victory_when_enemies_defeated=no, victory/defeat will happen by default when your or the enemy's leader(s) are dead
20101005 19:23:33< zookeeper> i'm pretty sure i tested that without any [endlevel]s being involved, but feel free to prove me wrong
20101005 19:24:55< anonymissimus> zookeeper: ok I've checked, I was mistaken
20101005 19:25:50< anonymissimus> what does fire_event have to do with it ?
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20101005 19:26:50< anonymissimus> it is just so that when the last leader is removed other than by fighting (kill, store-kill, put_unit etc) the scenario is not immediately lost but when clicked on turn done
20101005 19:26:55< zookeeper> anonymissimus, nothing specifically, but i don't think it'd make sense to trigger end of scenario when it's not used
20101005 19:28:09< anonymissimus> anyway, I'd rather prefer the engine to not check at all
20101005 19:28:32< anonymissimus> and let it be controlled by wml [endlevels] only
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20101005 19:34:22< zookeeper> anonymissimus, sure, if someone implements http://gna.org/bugs/?4960 ...
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20101005 19:45:07< Gambit> We need a defeat_when_leader_dies=
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20101005 20:55:37< mordante> servus
20101005 20:55:51< fendrin> hi mordante
20101005 20:55:58< mordante> hi fendrin 
20101005 20:56:06< ancestral> AI0867: Around?
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20101005 21:01:33< mordante> zookeeper, what do you want exactly changed regarding the /transparent thing?
20101005 21:02:19< mordante> zookeeper, if it's for the ~BLIT() it might be possible, that's a bug introduced with the adding of ~BLIT()
20101005 21:02:40< billynux> hi mordante 
20101005 21:03:32< mordante> hi billynux 
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20101005 21:07:17< zookeeper> mordante, i don't know what needs to be changed in order to fix the bug. but yes, as silene said it's for ~BLIT().
20101005 21:08:52< mordante> zookeeper, I understand you know what needs to be changed, but can you give a sample which goes wrong?
20101005 21:08:59< mordante> makes it easier to test the fix as well
20101005 21:10:46< zookeeper> well, sure, i can make one... (you don't want to see the image path i discovered the problem with...)
20101005 21:11:59< mordante> the one you discovered it on is also fine by me
20101005 21:13:30< zookeeper> fine :P image="misc/blank-hex.png~SCALE(234,216)~BLIT(misc/blank-hex.png~SCALE(126,144)~BLIT(terrain/alphamask.png~RC(000000>red),0,0)~BLIT(terrain/alphamask.png~RC(000000>blue),0,72)~BLIT(terrain/alphamask.png~RC(000000>green),54,36),54,36)"
20101005 21:14:41< zookeeper> however, any simpler one will do... like image="misc/blank-hex.png~BLIT(terrain/alphamask.png)"
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20101005 21:14:53< mordante> zookeeper, will it break if it uses image="misc/transparent/blank-hex.png~..." ?
20101005 21:15:20< zookeeper> haven't tried
20101005 21:15:51< zookeeper> in image="misc/blank-hex.png~BLIT(terrain/alphamask.png)", it's the latter path which gets messed up
20101005 21:15:56< zookeeper> error display: could not open image 'terrain/transparent/alphamask.png'
20101005 21:16:52< zookeeper> so this is a better testcase i guess: image="wesnoth-icon.png~BLIT(terrain/alphamask.png)"
20101005 21:17:05< zookeeper> (which results in error display: could not open image 'terrain/transparent/alphamask.png')
20101005 21:17:31< zookeeper> that should be the perfect testcase, so i'll go afk for a few minutes... ->
20101005 21:19:29< shadowmaster> ll/67
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20101005 21:21:25< mordante> zookeeper, not sure if it adds transparent to the proper part it will work as wanted either
20101005 21:21:37< mordante> but will ponder about it more later
20101005 21:23:46< shadowmaster> damn cpufreq.
20101005 21:25:45< shadowmaster> wha.
20101005 21:25:55< shadowmaster> reloading the cpufreq_stats module fixes it, of all things.
20101005 21:26:12 * shadowmaster stares blankly.
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20101005 21:45:12< zookeeper> mordante, well since the hack is supposed to be removed anyway, i guess it could simply not be applied to any IPF-using paths?
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20101005 21:46:57< mordante> zookeeper, IPF? you mean when it has a tilde in the name?
20101005 21:47:01< zookeeper> yes
20101005 21:47:12< zookeeper> IPF=ImagePathFunction
20101005 21:48:04< mordante> I think that would be possible
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20101005 21:48:33< mordante> and probably rather trivial :-)
20101005 21:49:35< mordante> I think I'll find some time this week to look at it
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20101005 21:50:14< zookeeper> okay
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20101005 22:03:06< mordante> I'm off night
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20101005 22:26:10< fendrin> hi Turuk
20101005 22:26:32< Turuk> Hey fendrin, how are you doing?
20101005 22:26:44< fendrin> Fine, thank you. And how are you doing?
20101005 22:27:23< Turuk> Oh, living the dream I suppose.  Anything big going on in your part of the world?
20101005 22:28:12< fendrin> No not really. We have some demonstration here which isn't quite typical for Germany.
20101005 22:28:39< fendrin> The French are more in love with demonstrations :-)
20101005 22:32:26< Turuk> I know, it must be a terrible influence leaking over, I saw the demonstration in Paris a few weeks back.
20101005 22:32:33< Turuk> What was it over?
20101005 22:34:05< fendrin> Nuclear Power, a building project regarding a train station where the police get really rude. Health care and social care and more.
20101005 22:34:54< fendrin> The train station thing is the most nasty one because of the political and social conflicts. It's known as "Stuttgart21".
20101005 22:35:35< fendrin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart_21
20101005 22:39:35< Turuk> Hmm, thanks.
20101005 22:39:37< Turuk> Wow, since the 80s?
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20101005 22:41:36< fendrin> Yeah, the 80s was the last period of bigger demonstrations in Germany if that is your question.
20101005 22:43:49< Turuk> Well and that they have been kicking around an idea for so long.
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20101005 22:44:27< Turuk> Hmm, they even injured school children. I bet that went over real well.
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20101005 22:45:37< fendrin> Right, and many older people. Those demonstrates have not been anarchists. It was quite the middle of the society.
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20101005 22:46:07< Turuk> But I imagine the government is going to go through with it anyway, and just sorry about your luck?
20101005 22:46:44< fendrin> Yes, they claim that the violence was on the side of the people first.
20101005 22:47:04< anonymissimus> I bet for they will not go through with it at all; they will fall in the next election which is quite soon
20101005 22:48:05< fendrin> What seems to don't matter for them because the politicians have enough benefits from supporting the project. It smells for corruption.
20101005 22:48:19< Turuk> Hmm, okay.  Violence on the side of the people? Right because escalation of force in return means they had to hurt kids.
20101005 22:50:29< fendrin> That should have never happen. The demonstrators only blocked some trees from being cut down. Not worth using water guns and pepperspray against them. 
20101005 22:52:02< Turuk> Agreed, but there's always some spin on it to say it's justified.
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20101005 22:54:40< anonymissimus> The politicians could'nt yet provide any proof for violence from the demonstrators, youtube videos show it the other way round however
20101005 22:55:23< Turuk> That they decided to kick it up a notch?
20101005 22:55:25< anonymissimus> The strategy of the "har hand" was planned, and it failed.
20101005 22:55:31< anonymissimus> hard hand
20101005 22:55:32< Turuk> Ah
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20101005 22:56:48< fendrin> Yes, it seems like the escalation was planned by the government to discredit the opposition against the project.
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20101005 23:00:22< Turuk> Clever folks.  Last time, I was in Paris, there was a demonstration and it was very peaceful. Maybe you Germans missed that part. ;)
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20101005 23:02:08< Gambit> What was the debug command to fill the pokedex?
20101005 23:02:55< fendrin> There is a better protest culture in France. But don't take it wrong, in general the French police is more harsh than the German.
20101005 23:03:04< Gambit> Note to self: add it to help
20101005 23:05:28< Turuk> I can imagine, they get more practice in against unruly crowds, and it probably gets heated more regularly.  I just remember a number of people telling us that peaceful protests were fairly normal there.
20101005 23:05:59< Gambit> Hmm there seems to be a large gap between things covered in the help manual and in :help
20101005 23:06:58< Gambit> The manual rewrite; did that already happen, or is it still WiP?
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