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20101007 00:15:16< noy> Ivanovic: around?
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20101007 00:25:46< fendrin> hi noy
20101007 00:25:55< fendrin> noy: I have found the smallest solution.
20101007 00:26:02< noy> for?
20101007 00:26:07< fendrin> noy: It's a multiplayer setup.
20101007 00:26:12< noy> for?
20101007 00:26:36< fendrin> noy: That is pretty small since nearly everything can come out of the multiplayer setup screen.
20101007 00:26:45< fendrin> noy: A small setup for your book.
20101007 00:26:51< noy> ahhhh
20101007 00:26:58< noy> sorry I was really confused
20101007 00:29:37< Ivanovic> noy: i prefer more verbose pings...
20101007 00:29:57< noy> Ivanovic: sorry, quick question
20101007 00:30:22< noy> how many languages does wesnoth get tranlated to? 
20101007 00:30:37< Ivanovic> count: http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/
20101007 00:30:38< fendrin> noy: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/AMrKdbFf -- That should do it.
20101007 00:31:08< Ivanovic> though many are inactive and stuff like this
20101007 00:31:17< noy> I think 28 is a good number...
20101007 00:31:20< noy> over 50%?
20101007 00:31:44< Ivanovic> some rough guess regarding currently active translations would be counting the translations that are listed as "updated" in 1.9.0 changelog
20101007 00:32:20< Ivanovic> (since this changelog spans everything between beginning of april middle of august
20101007 00:32:53< noy> fendrin: thank you...
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20101007 00:33:15< fendrin> noy: No problem. Once I came on using [multiplayer] it was easy.
20101007 00:34:40< fendrin> noy: That is the smallest working solution... You may want to add {DEFAULT_SCHEDULE} for having different times of day but I think it is not really needed to have a working scenario.
20101007 00:36:54< noy> you can add maybe 15 more lines if you want
20101007 00:37:08< Ivanovic> noy: here is a list with all langs that sent in some update since the release of 1.8: http://pastebin.com/6x3ztgJV
20101007 00:37:18< noy> Ivanovic: 30 is fine
20101007 00:37:30< noy> its a general number and it s not likely to change
20101007 00:37:34< Ivanovic> ah, when using this list it is only 27
20101007 00:37:35< Ivanovic> ;)
20101007 00:37:45< noy> meh
20101007 00:37:55< noy> its close enough
20101007 00:38:03< noy> and it will probably increase in the next few years
20101007 00:38:07< Ivanovic> but yeah, some langs are only rather active in specific seasons
20101007 00:38:23< Ivanovic> and yes, it fluctuates a lot and depends on stuff like string freezes and whatnot
20101007 00:38:27< noy> 25 it is
20101007 00:39:00< Ivanovic> (as you see at least 50 were started already, some never really took off though, several others were once really well done but are now inactive (eg afrikaans))
20101007 00:39:12< Ivanovic> off to bed now, n8
20101007 00:39:35< noy> ahh
20101007 00:39:43< noy> one last question Ivanovic ?
20101007 00:39:52< noy> on how many students have we mentored
20101007 00:39:55< Ivanovic> you should just write the questions...
20101007 00:40:14< noy> I come up we them randomly as I write
20101007 00:40:45< Ivanovic> don't do some "ping, around?" or anything like this, just leave me the question and i will answer it once i got time...
20101007 00:41:06< Ivanovic> good question though, we had 4 this year and 6 last year
20101007 00:41:09< noy> well that last time was to get a quick ping to get your attention
20101007 00:41:17< noy> before you left the terminal
20101007 00:41:33< noy> four the year before... right?
20101007 00:41:40< Ivanovic> i think it was 4 in the first year
20101007 00:41:45< noy> 14
20101007 00:41:49< Ivanovic> huh?
20101007 00:42:01< Ivanovic> ah, right, yeah, too sleepy for doing math...
20101007 00:42:06< noy> thanks for that
20101007 00:42:08< noy> good night
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20101007 05:05:59< ancestral> Anyone familiar with wmlparser.py?
20101007 05:07:38< ancestral> The JSON output isn't valid JSON and I guess I'm just wondering the best way to approach reading in data from wmlparser.py output
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20101007 05:16:03 * shadowmaster hugs shikadibot
20101007 05:16:03 * shikadibot hugs shadowmaster
20101007 05:16:07 * shadowmaster hugs wesbot 
20101007 05:16:26< shadowmaster> Gambit: see? wesbot isn't as dumb as shikadibot either.
20101007 05:27:50< Gambit> Infinite loops are so much fun though.
20101007 05:28:20< shadowm_laptop> don't make me poke Rh0nda so she can kick you in the face for saying that.
20101007 05:28:46< Gambit> Rhonda: I think wesbot should hug people back.
20101007 05:29:03< Gambit> It's only polite.
20101007 05:29:13< Gambit> janebot: Right?
20101007 05:29:14< janebot> Gambit: The gentleman is correct in sitting!
20101007 05:29:31< Gambit> That's two votes in favor.
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20101007 08:32:47< ancestral> :(
20101007 08:32:54< ancestral> I think I may have to write my own parser
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20101007 08:42:52< ancestral> [plea] Seriously, if anyone has intimate knowledge of wmlparser.py, or at the very least knows a bit of Python to which I can lean on, please let me know. This is directly related to my Bestiary project. Thank you. [/plea]
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20101007 09:33:42< Rhonda> wesbot: hug Gambit
20101007 09:33:42 * wesbot hugs Gambit
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20101007 09:34:03< Rhonda> No, I don't think that it should.
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20101007 09:43:14< Ivanovic> moin
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20101007 10:00:03< zookeeper> eleazzaar, awake?
20101007 10:15:41< shadowmaster> shikadibot: dir /branches/resources
20101007 10:15:41< shikadibot> Web interface URL to directory /branches/resources: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/branches/resources
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20101007 10:36:03 * zookeeper blinks
20101007 10:37:14< zookeeper> i was able to undo a village-capturing move which fired an event which placed an [item] and stuff and didn't have [allow_undo], and when i did, the [item]s correctly vanished...
20101007 10:38:16< zookeeper> ah. nevermind. i confused the village flag with the [item] i was placing; actually the event never triggered.
20101007 10:45:01< FAAB1> do I need to recompile t oget the debug lines printed ?
20101007 10:45:23< FAAB1> I just call wesnoth --log-debug="ai/mod", but I see nothing
20101007 10:52:31< Ivanovic> FAAB1: have you considered that there might not be anything marked as "debug" in the log domain?
20101007 10:53:06< Ivanovic> try --log-all="ai/mod"
20101007 10:56:30< FAAB1> that one does work (unknown level all), --log-debug=all works really well though :/ So I assume I don't need to recompile
20101007 10:56:44< FAAB1> *does not
20101007 10:56:57< Ivanovic> then try --log-info="ai/mod"
20101007 10:57:14< Ivanovic> and yeah, it might be that there simply is no output in ai/mod atm
20101007 10:59:39< FAAB1> or rather he does not call the function I expect. I will do more code reading then.
20101007 11:09:24< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46937 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Made the "Human Ship" terrain an invisible overlay terrain, changed its aliasing from plain mountain to movement of mountain + defense of village and simplified the related scenario WML a bit.
20101007 11:13:35< zookeeper> eleazzaar, btw, you seem to have broken 06a_In_the_Tunnels_of_the_Trolls.map when you replaced Yl with Ql in r42861... Yl is the custom lava which can be walked on. i'm tweaking that lava atm so i'll fix it...
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20101007 11:39:07< Ivanovic> alink: using fglrx speed is really WOW now in gl branch
20101007 11:39:18< Ivanovic> yes, there are glitches with the floating numbers
20101007 11:39:26< Ivanovic> but beside this rendering looks as on mesa r600c
20101007 11:39:48< Ivanovic> but speed is at about 90fps in 1920x1200 on isle of the damned
20101007 11:40:02< Ivanovic> speed in :benchmark mode on this map is in those regions, too!
20101007 11:40:30< Ivanovic> in :benchmark mode on an empty map in the editor i get about 120 to 150fps
20101007 11:41:41< Ivanovic> the great thing is: when scrolling around on the map of the first scenario of two brothers in :benchmark mode i do get well above 60fps all the time in 1024x768
20101007 11:42:40< Ivanovic> in normal mode i get well above 200fps while scrolling over the map in this resolution
20101007 11:44:16< Ivanovic> (as comparision: in isle of the damned in software mode (aka trunk) i get below 50fps all the time!)
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20101007 14:27:49< Gambit> This bug has somehow been unfixed: https://gna.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=15081
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20101007 14:31:04< Gambit> (Because of GUI2?)
20101007 14:36:05< Gambit> And no longer windows specific problem as I am now on ubuntu :\
20101007 14:36:14< Gambit> Paste works; copy doesn't.
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20101007 21:00:00-!- Channel #wesnoth-dev created Tue Jan 27 06:28:41 2009
20101007 21:00:32< zookeeper> yay, it's back
20101007 21:00:41< zookeeper> alink, ?
20101007 21:00:42< alink> use a ~MULT() multiplying RGBA of source by RGBA of mask, that allow nice alpha-mask effect and colored lighting effect
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20101007 21:01:28< alink> just use white+alpha (1,1,1,a) for alpha-masking
20101007 21:01:36< anonymissimus> alink: yes, it becomes visible if you do something in the menu during the movement animation; when the move continues afterwards the dot at teh source disappears
20101007 21:03:01< alink> anonymissimus: no here it happens without doing nothing and at normal speed
20101007 21:03:12< zookeeper> alink, okay, so we'll have both MULT and MASK?
20101007 21:03:28< anonymissimus> no, with doing nothing the dot's still "shown"
20101007 21:04:58< anonymissimus> it is a lesser problem than hidden units shown on the minimap however
20101007 21:05:19< alink> zookeeper: well we could combine both since MULT can do MASK, and in fact I already use internally some ~L() for light ToD which could use something like ~MULT too instead
20101007 21:06:46< alink> anonymissimus: ok, as I said not a real problem. BTW, the reason why we see different things is probably fog/shroud
20101007 21:07:28< alink> confirmed:  s/probably/
20101007 21:07:40< zookeeper> alink, uh, okay. sounds good to me... but what's ~L()?
20101007 21:08:35< alink> zookeeper: it apply a lightmap on an image, used by my local ToD prototype code. Not documented on purpose
20101007 21:09:14< alink> basically it's a ~ADD() working on RGB channels on a per-pixel basis
20101007 21:10:45< alink> with the small trick (which I may change later) that 128 = 0, so you can encode positive and negative values
20101007 21:10:46< zookeeper> right
20101007 21:12:02< alink> I still think that multiply would be better for ToD light, but our old code always used color addition
20101007 21:12:58< alink> I should discuss that with eleazzaar again, esp. if/when we use OpenGL, since it usually uses multiplication for light and texture effect
20101007 21:19:33< zookeeper> an IPF which takes shader code as input? :P
20101007 21:20:40< alink> hehe, some games allow that for their mods, I think
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20101007 21:26:58< alink> more seriously, ~MULT could replace the effects of invisibility, poison, submerge, ToD lighting, alpha-masking, replace ~CS() etc 
20101007 21:27:59< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46942 /trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/maps/19c_Cliffs_of_Thoria.map: Added more drake villages to Cliffs of Thoria.
20101007 21:28:09< alink> often overkill but could look nicer too, for example the uniform poison green is a bit boring
20101007 21:28:34< alink> or the submerge limit is often too sharp
20101007 21:29:06< alink> btw I had code to make this limit move, as if there was wave, but I couldn't get it right
20101007 21:29:48< zookeeper> yeah, that sort of functionality could be used for a lot more stuff
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20101007 21:31:43< alink> zookeeper: hmm, one possible problem of using ~MULT for ~MASK, is that ~MULT should probably  be (1,1,1,1) outside of the mask, but ~MASK would be better using (0,0,0,0)
20101007 21:32:37< alink> we can add a parameter, though
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20101007 21:36:18< fendrin> zookeeper: I have done some more map overhauls of mainline campaigns. This time I was more careful to not touch things you might not want to be changed. I have mostly covered logical things like replacing keeps with winter versions in an all winter map and removing issues with border extensions. Do you allow me to commit the work?
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20101007 21:37:22< zookeeper> fendrin, well, what choice do i have? :P go ahead
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20101007 21:37:32< fendrin> zookeeper: Thank you :-)
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20101007 21:38:27< CIA-35> fendrin * r46943 /trunk/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/maps/ (8 files): SotBE: Map overhauls.
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20101007 21:39:00< CIA-35> fendrin * r46944 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/maps/ (4 files): EI: map overhauls.
20101007 21:39:26< CIA-35> fendrin * r46945 /trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/maps/ (4 files): HttT: Map overhauls.
20101007 21:40:18< CIA-35> fendrin * r46946 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/maps/ (10 files): UtBS: Map overhauls.
20101007 21:40:41< CIA-35> fendrin * r46947 /trunk/data/campaigns/Liberty/maps/ (01_The_Raid.map 02_Civil_Disobedience.map 08_Glory.map): Liberty: Map overhauls.
20101007 21:41:52< CIA-35> fendrin * r46948 /trunk/changelog: Added a fix been done to LoW to the changelog.
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20101007 21:57:01< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46949 /trunk/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/maps/11_Clash_Of_Armies.map: Unified the 'Clash of Armies' map with that of 'Saving Inarix'.
20101007 21:59:19< zookeeper> fendrin, did you remember that the great tree in 'snow plains' has the sword of fire?
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20101007 22:06:26< zookeeper> fendrin, in 'descending into darkness' in UtBS you placed a mountain in the middle of a cave passage ;)
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20101007 22:20:17< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46950 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/ (3 files): Updated some terrain codes and filters in scenario files to correspond with latest map updates.
20101007 22:21:21< zookeeper> fendrin, ^ be more careful, especially with something like UtBS which is full of terrain filters...
20101007 22:22:20< zookeeper> i'm not _sure_ if i caught every possible breakage, but i think i got all the ones involving water
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20101007 22:25:03< anonymissimus> fendrin: I do a dired-do-query-replace-regexp on all the files that might involve a changed terrain code when I'm doing such thing (if that's the issue)
20101007 22:25:30< anonymissimus> (since you are using emacs too)
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20101007 22:26:09< anonymissimus> a "refactoring" wml IDE would be best however
20101007 22:27:11< zookeeper> what i did now was just to grep for terrain= and see if the strings i get look like they contain something that was changed in the map diff...easy to miss something, i guess.
20101007 22:27:15< fendrin> anonymissimus: Yes, I do use emacs. But it is not a good idea to do so in every case. For example one must decide if a terrain border duplication does fit or not by inspection. Replacing every castle with snow castle on every map isn't a good idea as well.
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20101007 22:31:49< anonymissimus> you misunderstood I think
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20101007 22:32:36< anonymissimus> I edit map files with the map editor only; all references are updated with that command
20101007 22:33:13< anonymissimus> maybe make terrain filters so that they depend not on the map
20101007 22:33:15< fendrin> zookeeper: Ah yes, the healing in water at utbs scenario 2.
20101007 22:33:33< anonymissimus> (where possible)
20101007 22:33:38< fendrin> anonymissimus: How can terrain filter be made map independent?
20101007 22:33:48< Gambit> Well that sounds urgent.
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20101007 22:34:51< fendrin> zookeeper: Did I remove the great tree in 'snow plains'? I think I didn't. 
20101007 22:34:57< anonymissimus> hm well you could filter for the hexes around a unit which is placed by the scenario or such maybe
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20101007 22:37:48< fendrin> zookeeper: The mountain was in there before. No idea why. I just replaced a normal mountain with the desert version, since it has no green growing on it.
20101007 22:43:18< anonymissimus> fendrin: and btw, you know that when you use "unit" as the name of a variable, and then do $unit, wesnoth thinks that unit is the auto-stored variable unit even in events that have no such unit (turn x for example), and then omits a warning ?
20101007 22:43:41< anonymissimus> saw that in LoW several times
20101007 22:44:06< anonymissimus> this is not fatal btu it makes you overlook the important warnings
20101007 22:44:29< fendrin> anonymissimus: Ah yes, thank you. I will rename them during the time.
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20101007 22:51:54< Espreon> anonymissimus: Thanks.
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20101007 22:52:14< Espreon> Hello boucman.
20101007 22:52:36< boucman> hey all
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20101007 23:07:53< zookeeper> fendrin, hmmm, ok, i'll take a look at that mountain...probably an accidental commit somewhere
20101007 23:08:55< zookeeper> fendrin, and no, you didn't remove the great tree, but you turned the underlying grass to snow. i don't know how intentional the grass was, but it seemed to fit ok. i don't have a problem with the snow either, though.
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20101007 23:18:06< CIA-35> zookeeper * r46951 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/maps/04_Descending_into_Darkness.map: Fixed a misplaced terrain.
20101007 23:18:37< zookeeper> fendrin, ^ actually that was indeed from your commit. i changed it to dirt instead of the original cavewall in order to widen the passage a bit...
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20101007 23:21:19< zookeeper> fendrin, and actually scenario 2 and the dehydration didn't need any updating, it was other scenarios which's terrain filters were affected.
20101007 23:21:55< CIA-35> espreon * r46952 /trunk/data/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Moved the elemental trait to core; gave the trait to DW's Fire Guardian for consistency with UtBS's.
20101007 23:22:56< Espreon> Crap, forgot to mention the addition of a female string.
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20101007 23:48:14< CIA-35> ow
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