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20101013 00:36:56< Mica> esr: I just want to say great job getting the bug count down. I remember 2 years ago it was MUUUUCHHH higher. :)
20101013 00:38:05< Soliton> might want to get that memory checked.
20101013 00:38:29< Mica> It was, it was over 1000
20101013 00:38:45< Mica> Now it says 163. Last I remember, esr was working on lowering the bug count
20101013 00:38:51< esr> I had it down to less that 50 at one point.
20101013 00:40:56< Soliton> "20080110 05:21:37-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 85 bugs, 187 feature requests, 4 patches | logs: http://irclog.wesnoth.org/ | Release schedue http://tinyurl.com/36an5k"
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20101013 01:35:35< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=460655#p460655 <- then why the hell do I bother maintaining the HOW TO REPORT A BUG PROPERLY sticky?
20101013 01:36:22 * shadowmaster goes to rename it to "how to report a money properly" before anyone else with that mindset complains.
20101013 01:36:54< shadowmaster> *monkey
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20101013 01:37:13< Gambit> shadowmaster: Make not reading stickies a worse offense
20101013 01:37:27< shadowmaster> but he's a frggin' developer!
20101013 01:37:41< shadowmaster> even though he doesn't want the title and rank.
20101013 01:38:05< shadowmaster> anyway I'm PMing him.
20101013 01:38:29< Gambit> Can/should we go back to locking threads soley because they break guidelines in a sticky?
20101013 01:39:22< Gambit> shadowmaster: And perhaps I need to reread the stickies, but why are you angry at anonymous?
20101013 01:39:34< Gambit> He told the guy to report at gna. What's wrong with that?
20101013 01:39:48< shadowmaster> oh no.
20101013 01:40:20< shadowmaster> Gambit: for the last time, it's Anonymissimus, not Anonymous.
20101013 01:40:31< Gambit> *anonymareallyhardtoremembernamimous
20101013 01:40:55< shadowmaster> sure, make it even harder to remember that way.
20101013 01:41:06< shadowmaster> I mean, what's wrong with reporting bugs in the forum? isn't that the purpose of TS?
20101013 01:41:42 * shadowmaster 'd be glad to delete TS entirely otherwise.
20101013 01:44:13< Gambit> shadowmaster: there is a difference between needing help driving a car, and a technical defect in the car
20101013 01:44:46< shadowmaster> but then what are Users' and Release forums for- GAAAARG.
20101013 01:44:48< Gambit> Technical support is not analogous to reporting real bugs
20101013 01:44:50< shadowmaster> you know what, forget it.
20101013 01:45:04< Gambit> User's is a spam bucket
20101013 01:45:06< shadowmaster> I wasn't sending the PM anyway.
20101013 01:45:11< shadowmaster> no
20101013 01:45:15< Gambit> and release announcement is for... announcing releases?
20101013 01:45:34< shadowmaster> Gambit: and reporting bugs in releases, apparently
20101013 01:45:40< shadowmaster> ohtherwise, how do you explain the lengthy discussions in the 1.9.x threads?
20101013 01:45:49< Gambit> shadowmaster: Well even if it isn't intended to be a spam bucket, it is a container full of spam :P
20101013 01:46:08< Gambit> shadowmaster: Didn't someone *ask* for those discussions?
20101013 01:46:24< shadowmaster> no idea what you're referring to.
20101013 01:46:36< shadowmaster> we al knew there were performance issues in 1.9.0
20101013 01:48:33< Gambit> I seem to recall a thread in release announcements that turned into a debate on standing anims
20101013 01:48:44< Gambit> I think it started by someone asking for any issues users had with 1.9.x
20101013 01:52:54< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=23510
20101013 01:53:23< shadowmaster> janebot: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=23510
20101013 01:53:28< janebot> shadowmaster: title: Battle for Wesnoth • View topic - Dialogue/Writing forum
20101013 01:53:48< Gambit> Too bad I can't backlog the forums
20101013 01:53:56< Gambit> janebot: !forum-thread 23510
20101013 01:53:57< janebot> Gambit: I refuse to answer that.
20101013 01:54:01< Gambit> huh!?
20101013 01:54:08< Gambit> janebot: !forum-post 23510
20101013 01:54:09< janebot> Gambit: Sorry. No results.
20101013 01:54:16< Gambit> that needs renamed
20101013 01:54:36< Gambit> shadowmaster: And everyone hated the idea ^_^
20101013 01:55:17< shadowmaster> my answer wil be nasty so let's go back to my HQ.
20101013 01:55:36< Gambit> Hmmm
20101013 01:55:39< Gambit> Why did I respond here?
20101013 01:55:44< Gambit> I thought I was still in your HQ
20101013 01:55:52< Gambit> Longest "Wrong channel" ever
20101013 01:57:14< Gambit> Everyone who has no idea wtf we're talking about... carry on.
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20101013 02:11:31< Gambit> shadowmaster: Also I think it'd help if we didn't have so darn many announcements and stickies
20101013 02:11:41< Gambit> And if people wouldn't make announcements where there really should just be stickies
20101013 02:11:51< shadowmaster> yes, did I mention I'm trying to squeeze them all wherever possible?
20101013 02:12:32< Gambit> No, but now I know
20101013 02:12:33< shikadibot> And knowing is half the battle!
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20101013 05:30:23< [Relic]> Hello :)
20101013 05:32:22< Gambit> Hi [Relic]
20101013 05:32:27< [Relic]> :)
20101013 05:32:29< shadowmaster> :(
20101013 05:33:12< Gambit> And I totally didn't just tell you hello for the sole purpose of testing a regular expression on your response.
20101013 05:33:36< Gambit> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpecificDenial
20101013 05:33:56< Gambit> Good night everyone.
20101013 05:34:04< shadowmaster> ni
20101013 05:35:15< Gambit> And here I thought you were against Monty Python references
20101013 05:35:23< shadowmaster> :S
20101013 05:35:29 * shadowmaster hides
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20101013 06:32:06< ancestral> Is there a way to write a piece of code to skip someone's turn?
20101013 06:32:28< shadowmaster> [end_turn]
20101013 06:33:36< ancestral> Cool
20101013 06:33:52< ancestral> So if I had a 4 player map
20101013 06:34:20< ancestral> And put [end_turn] [end_turn] [end_turn] it would skip 3 players?
20101013 06:34:58< shadowmaster> no
20101013 06:35:34< shadowmaster> the current event is supposed to finish once it hits [end_turn]
20101013 06:35:37< ancestral> Well if I made an event which triggered three [end_turn]'s?
20101013 06:35:45< ancestral> Ah
20101013 06:36:06< shadowmaster> so to skip multiple players you'd need to have a series of events, or a event with first_time_only=no and some kind of check
20101013 06:36:11< ancestral> Yeah
20101013 06:36:26< ancestral> If I had an event which called another, which called another
20101013 06:36:47< ancestral> With each event having an [end_turn] at its end
20101013 06:36:54< ancestral> It would skip 3 turns?
20101013 06:37:27< shadowmaster> yes
20101013 06:37:32< ancestral> Awesome
20101013 06:37:36< shadowmaster> probably
20101013 06:37:44< ancestral> Untested, right? :-P
20101013 06:37:49< shadowmaster> of course
20101013 06:37:57< ancestral> Or was that "probably awesome"
20101013 06:38:20< shadowmaster> although Gambit does something like that for his initiative system on his Breaking Ground add-on I think.
20101013 06:38:33< ancestral> That doesn't surprise me
20101013 06:38:38< shadowmaster> whether it uses something as unelegant as nested events or not is beyond me.
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20101013 09:52:06< Ivanovic> moin
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20101013 10:38:17< Ivanovic> alink: after an update of my drivers i now get basically the same drawing speed in r600g that i already had in r600c
20101013 10:38:28< Ivanovic> alink: wesnoth-gl appears to be perfectly usable now
20101013 10:38:52< Ivanovic> lowest fps that i get is slightly above 20 when scrolling over the middle of the first map of dead water (where there is only water)
20101013 10:39:03< Ivanovic> that is in 1920x1200
20101013 10:39:17< Ivanovic> beside this scrolling is fast and i see no render probs with this driver
20101013 10:39:30< Ivanovic> one artificial case that is slow is the test scenario
20101013 10:39:36< Ivanovic> only a little about 12fps there
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20101013 12:44:04< samuco> I have a question
20101013 12:44:33< samuco> Does store_locations record multiple locations into an array if there is two or more locations which match the filter?
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20101013 14:37:47< CIA-88> fendrin * r47039 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/02_Hostile_mountains.cfg: LoW 02: Introduced the difficult levels for multiplayer mode.
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20101013 14:39:14< CIA-88> fendrin * r47040 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/03_Kalian.cfg: LoW 03: Corrected the objectives to inform the player that he has to held out instead of kill all enemies.
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20101013 16:54:41< _jbx_> hello FAAB1, i was unable to replicate any of the errors you mentioned about TAM.  Can you give me a bit more info?
20101013 16:54:42< _jbx_> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=31849#p460284
20101013 16:55:43< FAAB1> _jbx_: that is strange :/
20101013 16:55:57< FAAB1> what info do you need ?
20101013 16:56:23< _jbx_> did you use map settings?  did you save/reload at all...if so, did you use a start of scenario save.  Did you play locally, or on the server?
20101013 16:56:50< FAAB1> map settings, local game
20101013 16:57:21< FAAB1> save/reload there should not be any, but I can test again to be sure
20101013 16:58:06< FAAB1> I will run a test now
20101013 16:58:09< _jbx_> I'm at work now, but if I see you on the server I'd like to see if we can replicate the problem
20101013 16:58:53< FAAB1> I will let you know if my test still generates error, stay tuned
20101013 16:58:57< _jbx_> cool
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20101013 17:02:03< FAAB1> _jbx_: it seems the replays are corrupted and can't be played back. Tell me if you want them to check them in an editor though.
20101013 17:03:42< _jbx_> FAAB1: I am unsure.  You are the first and only one to have the problem.  I'd rather try to find you on the server and do a real time test I guess
20101013 17:03:54< _jbx_> obviously it wont be soon :)
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20101013 17:25:27< FAAB1> _jbx_: good news: the straightforward doesn't reproduce the errors. I will try to do more border case tests later and I will keep you inform in the thread
20101013 17:39:00< Ivanovic> timotei: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31893&start=0
20101013 17:41:30< _jbx_> FAAB1: great!
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20101013 18:02:40< Arc> btw what was the verdict from the licensing meeting?
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20101013 18:04:34< Arc> it wasnt really posted back to the list as far as ive seen
20101013 18:06:42< elias> was there a second meeting?
20101013 18:07:45< Ivanovic> no result yet
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20101013 18:08:48< Arc> ah i found the minutes from the 1st meeting
20101013 18:09:17< Arc> just making sure wesnoth isnt bowing to apple's anti-gpl pressure for the revinue the app store brings in
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20101013 18:21:49< Arc> on an unrelated note, who from wesnoth is going to the gsoc mentors summit?
20101013 18:23:20< Ivanovic> boucman, crab_ and noy are going
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20101013 18:49:32< Arc> noy: boucman: so i'll get a chance to meet you there then
20101013 18:49:45< noy> ?
20101013 18:49:53< boucman> assuming you mean GSOC summit, yes :)
20101013 18:49:54< Arc> gsoc mentors summit
20101013 18:50:12< noy> are you going with another group?
20101013 18:50:23< Arc> i'm the python software foundations org admin, i and tarek are going 
20101013 18:50:30< noy> Oh cool
20101013 18:50:55< noy> is there a admin breakout meeting or something?
20101013 18:51:08< Arc> im not aware of anything scheduled whatsoever yet
20101013 18:51:17< Arc> we should, though
20101013 18:52:00< Ivanovic> noy: you can simply do so at the unconference
20101013 18:52:18< noy> I thought I missed something somewhere
20101013 18:52:21< Ivanovic> on the first day you try to work on some schedule and, uhm, try to follow it
20101013 18:52:35< Ivanovic> the mentor summit is an unconference
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20101013 18:54:44< Arc> Ivanovic: did you go last year?
20101013 18:54:46< noy> I need to speak to carol about funding
20101013 18:54:54< Ivanovic> i was in 2008
20101013 18:55:00< Arc> noy: did you follow the directions?
20101013 18:55:12< noy> no we have three delegates 
20101013 18:55:16< noy> not two
20101013 18:55:26< Arc> oh for getting the third covered?
20101013 18:55:42< Arc> in past years unless there's a special circumstance each org only gets two no matter how large
20101013 18:56:17< Arc> psf had three last year, but that was because the third was a 16yo mentor who got involved with python-dev through ghop two years prior and became python's release manager
20101013 18:56:22< Arc> LH couldn't pass that one up
20101013 18:57:21< Arc> is your third on the waiting list?
20101013 18:57:40< Ivanovic> Arc: we got all three accepted
20101013 19:02:05< Arc> cool, looking forward to meeting y'all
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20101013 19:45:27< Arc> i cant believe ive written a 600 line curses-based .po editor
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20101013 20:44:02< mordante> servus
20101013 20:46:15< mordante> alink the ogl branch seems very slow for me at the moment, but guess it's my drivers
20101013 20:58:35< CIA-88> mordante * r47041 /trunk/po/wesnoth-lib/POTFILES.in: Add a missing file in POTFILES.in.
20101013 21:01:16< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: has anyone contacted you for taking over the Spanish translation yet?
20101013 21:01:32< Ivanovic> uhm, good question
20101013 21:01:53< Ivanovic> latest spanish translation update i received is from may
20101013 21:02:24< shadowmaster> yes, but I told someone to contact you if the maintainer didn't respond to him, some weeks ago. Hence I wanted to know.
20101013 21:02:43< Ivanovic> no, i haven't heard a thing
20101013 21:02:47< shadowmaster> I noticed long ago the maintainer went MIA as it's tradition for the Spanish team :(
20101013 21:02:51< Ivanovic> mordante: how is work on the po4a stuff going?
20101013 21:03:28< elias> isn't there two different catalan teams in addition as well?
20101013 21:03:54< shadowmaster> elias: valencian
20101013 21:03:56< Ivanovic> elias: we have several translations into languages used in and around spain
20101013 21:04:36< shadowmaster> there's at least valencian, valencian #2 and catalan. but those are very different from Spanish so that won't work
20101013 21:05:05< Ivanovic> there is basque, valencian, valenvian as defined by the royal academy and "plain" spanish
20101013 21:05:06< elias> yeah, was just looking as well... galician and "racv language" as well :)
20101013 21:05:25< shadowmaster> RACV is Valencian #2
20101013 21:05:28< shadowmaster> ;)
20101013 21:06:22< Ivanovic> those are all different langs, so there is no real eason why they should share one maintainer
20101013 21:07:13< mordante> Ivanovic, still somewhat stuck with the creation of the po files
20101013 21:07:24< Ivanovic> mordante: okay
20101013 21:07:47< Ivanovic> let me guess: there is no easy way to act "shellike" in what you want to do, right?
20101013 21:08:26< Ivanovic> since all the stuff required in the po4a steps originates from some (strange) shell commands that ettin impleneted to do what we want
20101013 21:09:10< mordante> no more that po4a wants a config file and can't work with parameters instead
20101013 21:09:41< mordante> I can emulate the stuff done in autotools but then it's still single threaded
20101013 21:10:04< Ivanovic> right
20101013 21:10:24< Ivanovic> can't you, you know, actually use a config file?
20101013 21:10:55< Ivanovic> that is: some automatically defined one based on eg the linguas file (if the langcodes need to be listed)
20101013 21:11:04< mordante> I can but then 
20101013 21:11:20< mordante> (I at least shouldn't press enter too soon)
20101013 21:11:43< mordante> I probably need to make a config file per translation (can be a temp file)
20101013 21:12:01< Ivanovic> yeah, that is what i mean
20101013 21:12:09< mordante> and feed that to po4a but I fear it will cause the pot file to be regenerated X times
20101013 21:12:10< Ivanovic> sucks to create this many temp files, yeah, but should work
20101013 21:12:19< Ivanovic> ugh, okay, that really would suck
20101013 21:12:20< mordante> and at the same time, which might get interesting
20101013 21:12:45< Ivanovic> ain't the stuff different commands?
20101013 21:13:09< Ivanovic> generating the pot file, merging the po files and "compiling" the po files into the manpages/manuals?
20101013 21:13:31< mordante> yeah po4a-xxx but haven't figured out the proper switches yet
20101013 21:13:51< mordante> I now get diffs when I use them on the stuff you committed recently
20101013 21:13:56< mordante> which shouldn't happen
20101013 21:13:59< Ivanovic> that is very likely
20101013 21:14:05< Ivanovic> since you are using different versions that i do
20101013 21:14:19< Ivanovic> especially for the docbook stuf
20101013 21:14:20< Ivanovic> f
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20101013 21:15:38< Ivanovic> you should check what the differences are
20101013 21:15:57< Ivanovic> especially if they are in the comments it is likely that they are some things due to version differences
20101013 21:16:20< Ivanovic> this is what i currently use: http://pastebin.com/R9ZvDBrc
20101013 21:16:41< Ivanovic> i think only po4a and one of the docbook packages is relevant, not 100% sure though regarding docbook...
20101013 21:17:02< mordante> the diffs where rather large haven't investigated them in detail yet
20101013 21:17:35< Ivanovic> right, plus asciidoc: app-text/asciidoc-8.5.3
20101013 21:17:50< Ivanovic> yeah, some xml differences in this autogenerated hell are likely to be really huge!
20101013 21:17:53< mordante> po->html looks good, small diff but only some ids changed
20101013 21:18:20< loonycyborg> mordante: I've already got rid of the po4a config file in scons by calling po4a-gettextize/po4a-translate directly.
20101013 21:20:06< mordante> loonycyborg, ok cool I looked at po4a-gettextize but that failed for some reason, will look at what you did
20101013 21:20:24< mordante> I already use po4a-translate which works nicely
20101013 21:23:28< mordante> loonycyborg, in which file do you do that?
20101013 21:23:49< loonycyborg> po/SConscript and scons/gettext.py
20101013 21:24:56< loonycyborg> "scons update-po4a manual" to see what it actually does.
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20101013 21:25:35< mordante> oke thanks
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20101013 21:37:48< lancer2013> How does one submit patches for Wesnoth?
20101013 21:38:03< boucman> there is a howto on the coder's corner forum
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20101013 21:51:28< mordante> I'm off night
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20101013 21:57:58< fabi> lancer2013: Are you aware of patches.wesnoth.org?
20101013 21:58:31< lancer2013> yes -- took a look at it, thanks
20101013 22:03:13< lancer2013> What documentation tools is advisable?
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20101013 22:12:50< lancer2013> What tools are reccomended for documentation for wesnoth?
20101013 22:14:02< loonycyborg> lancer2013: doxygen comments :P
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