--- Log opened Sat Oct 16 00:00:16 2010
20101016 00:09:17< zookeeper> eleazzaar, taken a look at the beaches yet?
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20101016 00:11:20< shadowmaster> http://is.gd/g3L27
20101016 00:15:43< boucman> cool
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20101016 00:26:16< eleazzaar> zookeeper: yes, i'm working with it
20101016 00:26:35< eleazzaar> it's not going as smoothly as i'd hoped, but i think it can still work
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20101016 00:47:41< zookeeper> eleazzaar, did you read everything i wrote to you earlier today?
20101016 00:47:55< eleazzaar> zookeeper: on IRC, yes
20101016 00:48:02< zookeeper> okay, just checking..
20101016 00:49:52< eleazzaar> thanks for fixing the duplicating thing
20101016 00:50:19< zookeeper> so, there shouldn't really be anything you need to do except add the tiles
20101016 00:50:30< eleazzaar> yeah
20101016 00:50:45< eleazzaar> i'm exparamenting with how much to fuzz the edges
20101016 00:51:17< eleazzaar> which is trickier than the chasm, cause it's transparent
20101016 00:52:40< eleazzaar> if you get too much overlap you get this pretty, but totally unwanted spirograph effect:
20101016 00:52:47< eleazzaar> http://imagebin.org/118703
20101016 00:53:20< eleazzaar> which i should have realized before i cut those
20101016 00:53:47< zookeeper> hmmh
20101016 00:54:56< zookeeper> but if you select the sector to cut, then fuzzy/feather it both inwards and outwards, shouldn't that avoid glitches like that?
20101016 00:55:09< eleazzaar> so i wont be able to get as much overlap onto non-sand land as i was hopping last night, but it will still work
20101016 00:55:22< eleazzaar> yeah
20101016 00:57:04< eleazzaar> it's not hard to avoid now that i'm aware of it
20101016 00:58:37< eleazzaar> zookeeper: um, how do i set the layer that NEW:BEACH is drawn on?
20101016 00:59:27< eleazzaar> never mind i see it
20101016 01:00:20< zookeeper> i put it at -600 locally and it seems right, but i wanted to try it out with your upcoming proper tiles first before committing
20101016 01:02:33< eleazzaar> close...
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20101016 01:56:14< zookeeper> eleazzaar, close, but..? :P
20101016 02:06:38< zookeeper> eleazzaar, anyway, i gotta be going, but if you do get the tiles done then please commit them regardless of whether the WML handles them perfectly right or not
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20101016 02:34:37< eleazzaar> certainly
20101016 02:41:28< eleazzaar> i was gonna try to  nail down the exact layer, but i'll do that later
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20101016 04:47:10< CIA-105> eleazar * r47056 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics/new-macros.cfg: more work on the sand-to-water corner transitions.
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20101016 09:27:01< mordante> servus
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20101016 10:21:15< mordante> I'm off bye
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20101016 10:51:31< Ivanovic> moin
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20101016 15:12:10< ilor_> Soliton: since it seems we're having trouble getting on irc at the same time (mostly caused by my being here too rarely), here is the general idea:
20101016 15:13:42< ilor_> for the new addon server to work, we'll need the server to have a fairly recent Django installed, and in the near future, celery, django-celery and rabbitmq, probably memcached as well.
20101016 15:15:11< ilor_> I have set up django with apache and mod_wsgi on a server at my workplace, but I don't mind another way as long as it works
20101016 15:16:00< ilor_> I don't remember what we're running on the server but said server was debian stable so it was slightly harder than on my desktop ;)
20101016 15:17:47< AI0867> zookeeper: espreon wants some way to access the player's name from WML. A method to access the MP login name/their account name on the computer is easily available, the question is the interface
20101016 15:18:50< AI0867> that is, a variable named something like $player_1_name or something like [store_player_name]
20101016 15:19:24< ilor_> Soliton: it would be most convenient (for me, obviously) if I got shell access and some things set up by someone with admin rights. 
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20101016 15:31:14< zookeeper> AI0867, hmh...
20101016 15:31:30< zookeeper> getting the leader name isn't good enough?
20101016 15:32:23< zookeeper> instead of a new tag it could be added to [store_side]. just store an extra player_name= value when in MP.
20101016 15:32:57< zookeeper> i'd say it should be either that or [store_player_name]... i don't have a strong opinion either way
20101016 15:36:40< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=461370#p461370
20101016 15:36:41< Gambit> Huh?
20101016 15:36:49< Gambit> I have never seen a thread like that.
20101016 15:41:53< Gambit> He says he's read many threads on the issue, but I've never seen one even partway similar.
20101016 15:43:43< Gambit> Seems like he's confusing it with the "buttons can't be clicked bug".
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20101016 15:54:08< AI0867> zookeeper: leader name doesn't work in SP
20101016 15:54:25< AI0867> that and leader names can be changed in some cases
20101016 15:54:36< AI0867> say, MP campaigns
20101016 15:55:10< silene> AI0867: logon doesn't work in sp either...
20101016 15:55:30< AI0867> hm?
20101016 15:55:50< AI0867> how would preferences::login() not work?
20101016 15:56:27< silene> if someone never played a mp game for instance
20101016 15:56:38< AI0867> yes
20101016 15:56:44< AI0867> but you still get $USER
20101016 15:57:42< silene> why would wml need $user???
20101016 16:04:06< zookeeper> uh...getting a MP logon name in SP wouldn't make any sense anyway.
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20101016 16:28:36< AI0867> Espreon: could you explain?
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20101016 16:38:29< CIA-105> ivanovic * r47057 /trunk/po/wesnoth/pt_BR.po: updated Portuguese (Brazil) translation
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20101016 16:40:25< Ivanovic> esr: have you seen my request for fixing the typos reported on the typo wiki page?
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20101016 17:39:11< esr> Ivanovic: Noted, will do.
20101016 17:39:16< Ivanovic> thanks
20101016 17:39:31< Ivanovic> please tell me once you are done since then i should probably run another pot update
20101016 17:43:31< zookeeper> esr, also, i'm kinda waiting for you to do any text changes that are necessary for relnan's gender switch... i'll handle the unit type and portraits after that
20101016 17:44:14< esr> Noted, I'll try to get to both things today.
20101016 17:45:07< zookeeper> cool
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20101016 19:26:40< Rhonda> Why doesn't autogen.sh call configure $* anymore at the end of it in 1.9?
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20101016 19:35:30 * shadowmaster 's been wondering that for months as well.
20101016 19:37:32< Rhonda> And you never did read cvs log for the file?
20101016 19:37:38 * Rhonda bonks shadowmaster over the head.
20101016 19:37:42< Rhonda> erm, svn log obviously
20101016 19:37:56< shadowmaster> Rhonda: more like git log, but may I ask you the same question? ;)
20101016 19:38:09< shadowmaster> (svn log accepts remote paths after all)
20101016 19:38:10< loonycyborg> I saw it in the log but I don't remember what there was exactly anymore :P
20101016 19:38:11< Rhonda> silene: Wasn't it you who is in charge of the autofoo these days?
20101016 19:38:26< Rhonda> shadowmaster: Because I just now found out, I am not wondering it for months.
20101016 19:38:55< Rhonda> shadowmaster: If you don't see a difference here you deserve another bonk :)
20101016 19:38:59< shadowmaster> I don't care much about it since I don't use scons.
20101016 19:39:07< shadowmaster> I mean, I use scons.
20101016 19:39:37< shadowmaster> and don't build trunk very often since I've found it more fun to work on my own projects instead of wesnoth :/
20101016 19:40:23< Rhonda> wesbot: log r45010
20101016 19:40:25< wesbot> alink * r45010 : Remove call to configure in autogen.sh.It's inconvenient for out-of-tree build, prevent to see --help before calling configure, contradict wiki and possibly non-standard.
20101016 19:40:29< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=45010
20101016 19:40:45< Rhonda> There you are. :)
20101016 19:40:48< shadowmaster> :( it is stndard.
20101016 19:40:56< Rhonda> Is not.
20101016 19:41:15< shadowmaster> really? every autogen.sh I've seen out there calls configure with its own argument list
20101016 19:41:34< Rhonda> alink is right, even though we might consider it convenient, it's unexpected and definitely not standard convenience.
20101016 19:43:26< Rhonda> Hmm, or not.
20101016 19:43:53< silene> shadowmaster: it isn't standard; for instance, that's what autotools have to say about autogen.sh: "call `aclocal', `libtoolize', `gettextize' or `autopoint', `autoconf', `autoheader', and `automake' in the right order."
20101016 19:43:57< Rhonda> The autogen.sh I see hanging around on my disk all look pretty the same with a "if test x$NOCONFIGURE = x ; then" at the end.
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20101016 19:45:04< silene> Rhonda: and yes, i maintain autotools scripts
20101016 19:45:17< shadowmaster> then I have bad luck.
20101016 19:46:11< Rhonda> ah
20101016 19:46:18< Rhonda> shadowmaster: /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/examples/autogen.sh doesn't contain any configure call.
20101016 19:46:33< shadowmaster> sure, I was talking based on existing practice.
20101016 19:47:00< shadowmaster> ...and every software package I compie by hand that uses autofoo has a configure call at the end of autogen.sh
20101016 19:47:01< Rhonda> The autotools package itself is the only part that should define existing practice.
20101016 19:47:22< Rhonda> Then you maybe have a very limited exposure of your packages.
20101016 19:48:01< shadowmaster> of course it's a restricted reference pool. If I compiled more packages I'd just switch to Gentoo or something.
20101016 19:48:22< shadowmaster> and I'd go crazy like loonycyborg or Ivanovic.
20101016 19:48:34< Rhonda> Also the gettext example autogen.sh doesn't contain it.
20101016 19:48:55< Rhonda> Even more crazy?
20101016 19:49:15< shadowmaster> sure
20101016 19:49:21< Rhonda> hum, there is a gettext autogen.sh example calling configure.
20101016 19:49:27< Rhonda> shadowmaster: I doubt that that's possible.
20101016 19:49:55< Rhonda> brrrrrrzzzzttttt
20101016 19:50:03< Rhonda> checking for the Boost system library... no
20101016 19:50:11< Rhonda> what new dependency is needed now!
20101016 19:50:45< Rhonda> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lboost_system-d
20101016 19:50:55< Rhonda> Now what's tat?
20101016 19:51:57< loonycyborg> -d means with debugging symbols.
20101016 19:53:22< shadowmaster> Rhonda: boost.system, by boost.asio
20101016 19:53:25< loonycyborg> Rhonda: Maybe one of boost libs is with -d and it thinks that others are too
20101016 19:53:43< loonycyborg> Unless you don't have it altogether..
20101016 19:53:50< shadowmaster> so boost.thread is required as well
20101016 19:54:07< Rhonda> Hmm, boost_system is a new requirement.
20101016 19:54:27< Rhonda> That will hinder offering the package for lenny.
20101016 19:54:39< loonycyborg> You make even better Captain Obvious than I :P
20101016 19:55:04< Rhonda> uh?
20101016 19:55:10< shadowmaster> I don't think a dev version backport is important.
20101016 19:55:20< shadowmaster> and sure by the time 1.10 is released squeeze will have been released as well
20101016 19:56:14< Rhonda> hahahahaha*coughcough*haha
20101016 19:56:31 * Rhonda . o O ( famous last words )
20101016 19:56:54< shadowmaster> hm. I mean it. Wesnoth is too far from another stable series atm.
20101016 19:58:05< shadowmaster> I'd not be surprised if this ends up being the longest development release cycle since 1.1.x.
20101016 19:58:17< shadowmaster> or 1.3.x, actually.
20101016 19:58:32< Rhonda> Alright, _that_ might be a reason then.
20101016 20:01:14< CIA-105> ilor * r47058 /branches/new_addon_server/ (1317 files in 82 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into new_addon_server
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20101016 20:18:14< shadowmaster> okay, I'll assume that no artist is interested in morningstar or has the required dev environment. I guess I should just go back to Windows and write an old-fashioned Win32 application..
20101016 20:18:35< shadowmaster> Gambit: goodbye. It was nice while it lasted.
20101016 20:18:44< shadowmaster> wait a second.
20101016 20:18:52< shadowmaster> I could build this for win32 myself
20101016 20:19:19< Rhonda> *grrr* and boost_thread
20101016 20:20:53< shadowmaster> gah, 322 MB
20101016 20:22:57< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: you on't happen to have the qt4 SDK instaled there for Windows, do you?
20101016 20:24:07< loonycyborg> I used it in the past, not sure whether it's there still :P
20101016 20:24:25< shadowmaster> ...okay.
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20101016 20:24:41< loonycyborg> Qt4 woks fine on windows.
20101016 20:24:41< shadowmaster> sigh. Traffic quotas suck.
20101016 20:25:52< loonycyborg> *works
20101016 20:26:06< shadowmaster> I know that, the documentation tells me so.
20101016 20:26:20< shadowmaster> The problem is that the SDK is too large and I don't want to drain my traffic quota so quickly, so I'll have to wait for Tuesday to download.
20101016 20:27:08< shadowmaster> maybe I'll work on more features for the time being
20101016 20:32:26< ilor_> shadowmaster: I'll check if I have qt4 on windows somewhere around here
20101016 20:32:41< shadowmaster>  nah, don't worry about it.
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20101016 20:33:50< CIA-105> esr * r47059 /trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Fix SpellingMistakes glitches.
20101016 20:33:56< ilor_> btw simple qt4 apps seem highly portable... my buddy wrote a fractal app for a class last year, after a recompile it works on his symbian cellphone
20101016 20:47:42< CIA-105> esr * r47060 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): More spelling fixes.
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20101016 20:52:21< mordante> servus
20101016 20:52:36< [Relic]> Hello :)
20101016 20:53:00< mordante> hi [Relic] 
20101016 20:54:07< ilor_> hi mordante 
20101016 20:54:16< mordante> hi ilor_ 
20101016 20:55:23< mordante> Gambit, actually the bug is known, it's some pulse audio bug
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20101016 21:04:51< Ivanovic> esr: uhm, the pofix fix in your last commit seems wrong
20101016 21:05:05< Ivanovic> +("brother still, And", "brother still And"),
20101016 21:05:31< Ivanovic> i thought before it was "brother still And" and the corrected form would be "brother still. And"
20101016 21:06:39< esr> Ah, crap.  Comma is hard to tell from period on my screen.  I typoed.  Feel free to fix it.
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20101016 21:07:17< Gambit> mordante: thanks
20101016 21:07:22< Gambit> mordante: Anything he can do to fix it?
20101016 21:08:14< Gambit> Oh nevermind you already posted ^_^
20101016 21:08:17< Gambit> Double thanks
20101016 21:08:25< mordante> no problem
20101016 21:08:38< shadowmaster> RCX.
20101016 21:08:45< shadowmaster> that should be the name of morningstar.
20101016 21:08:54< mordante> ?
20101016 21:09:17< shadowmaster> mordante: some project of mine for artists, that nobody cares about.
20101016 21:09:43< mordante> what's RCX then the project?
20101016 21:10:12< shadowmaster> a TC preview/save tool written using Qt4, the successor to Wesnoth-TC, which was a command-line based TC converter
20101016 21:10:15< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/115-Codename-Morning-Star-0.1.0-released!.html
20101016 21:10:45< shadowmaster> Gambit: I can then slap all those who dare backronymize it
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20101016 21:11:30< Gambit> recolorer Xtreme
20101016 21:11:38 * shadowmaster kicks Gambit 
20101016 21:11:51< mordante> didn't you post a screenshot of it recently?
20101016 21:11:53< shadowmaster> though it could also be RCPal.
20101016 21:12:11< shadowmaster> mordante: yes, but I hadn't finished a working version until last night
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20101016 21:12:38< shadowmaster> a few hours after saying that there was still a lot of work to do before I could have a working version, even.
20101016 21:12:44< mordante> well it looked interesting
20101016 21:13:34< shadowmaster> yeah. but apparently the Linux users in the target demographic aren't presently available (the target demographic here being the Art Contributors and enthusiasts)  :(
20101016 21:14:12< mordante> why do they need to use Linux?
20101016 21:14:39< shadowmaster> *Unix. It is cross-platform. It's just that I don't provide binaries yet.
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20101016 21:15:04< shadowmaster> and I don't expect any Windows users to install the Qt4 SDK and compile it by themselves until I do that and provide my own Windows package
20101016 21:15:39< shadowmaster> in theory it should work out of the box though.
20101016 21:15:40< mordante> ah ok
20101016 21:15:49< shadowmaster> probably on Mac OS X as well
20101016 21:16:27< Ivanovic> esr: okay, fixing this rule and applying it to all po files...
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20101016 21:17:56< Ivanovic> wow, lovely running pofix on 6 cores...
20101016 21:18:14< Ivanovic> this actually makes it decently fast...
20101016 21:18:15< Ivanovic> ;)
20101016 21:18:58< mordante> :-)
20101016 21:19:06< esr> BTW, I'm experimentally switching to git-svn.
20101016 21:19:42< Ivanovic> esr: you are currently rewriting some dialog for zookeeper, right?
20101016 21:19:44< CIA-105> ivanovic * r47061 /trunk/ (107 files in 3 dirs): 
20101016 21:19:44< CIA-105> fix typo in pofix.py
20101016 21:19:44< CIA-105> apply pofix.py
20101016 21:19:53< Ivanovic> so it would make sense to wait some more hours before running a pot-update, correct?
20101016 21:20:44< esr> Yes, I''ll do that once my git-svn fetch finishes.  SpellingMistakes is clear.
20101016 21:21:13< Ivanovic> okay
20101016 21:22:04< esr> And a good thing you proded me, too.  I found one line of truly ridiculous exposition that I don't know how I missed fixing before.  Needed more than a spellcheck.
20101016 21:22:17< esr> Wesnoth has a lot of texr ;-)
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20101016 21:30:42< Ivanovic> uhm, yeah
20101016 21:30:47< Ivanovic> a whole shitload of text
20101016 21:31:59< esr> I guess I can't complain too loudly though, because I wrote or rewrote a lot of it.
20101016 21:37:20< ilor_> Ivanovic: six cores?
20101016 21:38:57< Ivanovic> Sysinfo for 'rechner1': Linux 2.6.36-rc8 running KDE Development Platform 4.5.2 (KDE 4.5.2), CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1055T at 800 MHz (5625 bogomips), HD: 350/1250GB, RAM: 3437/3960MB, 153 proc's, 10.55h up
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20101016 21:40:33< Ivanovic> old system (at least the southbridge) was on its way to manitu some weeks ago
20101016 21:40:45< Ivanovic> so i decided to directly go for some new board and cpu
20101016 21:40:58< ilor_> Ivanovic: I see. I remeber reading that 6-core phenoms are similar to quad i7s total-performance-wise -- any comments on that?
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20101016 21:41:19< Ivanovic> i don#t have an i7 to compare
20101016 21:41:23< Ivanovic> but performance is lovely
20101016 21:42:00< Ivanovic> building a 2.6.35 kernel with -j6 (after a made defconfig on amd64) took <2min
20101016 21:42:14< Ivanovic> building wesnoth without ccache took <5min
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20101016 21:53:45< CIA-105> mordante * r47062 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/ (tips.cpp tips.hpp): 
20101016 21:53:45< CIA-105> Implement the unit filter in the tips of day.
20101016 21:53:45< CIA-105> Don't implement the count yet, want to discuss it with alink first
20101016 21:53:45< CIA-105> whether really wanted, or needed.
20101016 21:53:56< CIA-105> mordante * r47063 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
20101016 21:53:56< CIA-105> Move title screen results to title screen dialog.
20101016 21:53:56< CIA-105> Might move later again after deciding how to handle automatic assignment
20101016 21:53:56< CIA-105> of named buttons.
20101016 21:54:00< CIA-105> mordante * r47064 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Remove the now unused titlescreen.* files.
20101016 21:54:15< mordante> I'm off night
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20101016 22:09:01< Ivanovic> ilor_: just timed kernel compilation with a PATH var so that ccache does not jump in
20101016 22:09:22< Ivanovic> using make -j8 for building a vanilla 2.6.35 kernel (ran make defconfig to get a working basis)
20101016 22:09:24< Ivanovic> real    1m41.403s
20101016 22:09:25< Ivanovic> user    7m55.093s
20101016 22:09:27< Ivanovic> sys     0m47.310s
20101016 22:09:45< Ivanovic> nothing fancy, the files were on my normal harddrive
20101016 22:10:57< Ivanovic> now running the very same test with a wesnoth 1.9.1 tarball (will run cmake without additional commands before and the just follow with make -j8 in a time block)
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20101016 22:14:55< Ivanovic> wesnoth 1.9.0 compilation timed:
20101016 22:14:56< Ivanovic> real    2m54.911s
20101016 22:14:58< Ivanovic> user    14m25.748s
20101016 22:14:59< Ivanovic> sys     1m1.580s
20101016 22:15:15< Ivanovic> ilor_: i hope these numbers give you an idea if the cpu is decent
20101016 22:15:17< Ivanovic> ;)
20101016 22:16:30< Ivanovic> basically the matter is that in single threaded performance the intel quad core i7 are faster at the same clockrate
20101016 22:16:53< Ivanovic> but when you can really make use of several threads you easily wipe the floor with the i7 quadcore
20101016 22:17:26< ilor_> Ivanovic: I'll test some with my i7 when I get to it ;)
20101016 22:17:46< Ivanovic> (considering that i paid about 185€ for the cpu and i would have only got some i5 cpu for the same amount of money i paid for the platform (cpu+board) i'd say that speed is really fine
20101016 22:18:28< Ivanovic> sorry, 175€ for the cpu, 85 for the board
20101016 22:19:11< ilor_> if/when my workplace gets that double-six-core-xeon, I'll try to test on that too ;)
20101016 22:19:22< Ivanovic> hehehe, that is cheating!
20101016 22:19:29< Gambit> is that... 12 cores? 0_0
20101016 22:19:35< Ivanovic> which normal person could afford such a machine?!?
20101016 22:19:41< Gambit> Some day...
20101016 22:19:43< ilor_> Gambit: and 70-ish GB of ram
20101016 22:20:10< Ivanovic> you'd pay more for the board than i payed for board+cpu
20101016 22:20:13< ilor_> it'll be the server for stuff that doesn't fit in ram anywhere else ;)
20101016 22:20:38< ilor_> I really don't want to think how much this thing will cost
20101016 22:21:18< Ivanovic> (in fact for an i7 you'd pay about the same for the cpu that i paid for cpu+board, to get in a similar price region with intel hardware (considering that my board features basically anything there is...) you'd have to pay a fortune for the board alone when going for intel stuff)
20101016 22:28:01< Ivanovic> (looks like the plain board that is able to get close feature wise costs some 115€ for intel, which just leaves 145€ for the cpu, the first quadcore intel seems to be the i5-750 (quadcore with 2.67GHz per core) for ~160€ or the i5-760 (quadcore with 2.8GHz per core) for 165€
20101016 22:31:48< ilor_> anyway I'm disappointed by the cpu prices lately
20101016 22:32:09< ilor_> hardly any movement
20101016 22:32:18< Ivanovic> yeah
20101016 22:35:46< CIA-105> ivanovic * r47065 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-dw/ja.po wesnoth-tutorial/ja.po): updated Japanese translation
20101016 22:36:56< CIA-105> eleazar * r47066 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/sand/ (24 files): further refinement of the sand to water transition.
20101016 22:51:44< Aethaeryn> I have an intel i
20101016 22:51:46< Aethaeryn> 7
20101016 22:51:49< Aethaeryn> quadcore
20101016 22:52:49< Aethaeryn> I got it around the same time one of my professors got a 12-core amd
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20101016 22:57:14< esr> Grumble. Attempt to switch to git hung for two hours, I think it failed.  Has anyone here done this successfully?
20101016 22:57:40< Ivanovic> esr: i think the correct way is to just download the git snapshot stored on the server
20101016 22:58:00< esr> Huh?  Where is this?
20101016 22:58:22< Ivanovic> uhm, ask Soliton, somewhere on wesnoth.org i'd guess
20101016 22:58:36< boucman> http://files.wesnoth.org/hidden
20101016 22:58:52< boucman> hmm give me a second to find it
20101016 22:58:55< Ivanovic> boucman: you need a filename for this folder
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20101016 22:59:31< Ivanovic> Crab_: please send noy the bill for your flight ticket IMMEDIATLY!
20101016 22:59:31< boucman> http://files.wesnoth.org/hidden/git/ 
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20101016 23:01:42< Crab_> Ivanovic: will it be ok to do it on monday? I haven't got the bill at the moment, I expected to buy the tickets immediately after the interview at the embassy, which is scheduled for monday's morning.
20101016 23:02:03< Ivanovic> Crab_: than it will have to wait this long
20101016 23:02:11< Ivanovic> just make sure to get in contact with noy about this
20101016 23:02:32< Crab_> Ivanovic: ok, I'll mail him
20101016 23:02:40< Ivanovic> any possibly send him some expected costs so that he can start the calculations (since he might have to ask for additional funding)
20101016 23:02:45< Ivanovic> s/any/and
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20101016 23:03:27< Crab_> ok
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20101016 23:07:32< Ivanovic> hah, now i know why the tarball appears to be this huge:
20101016 23:07:37< Ivanovic> it is extremely huge
20101016 23:07:47< Ivanovic> simply because the images are not as well compressed as they could be!
20101016 23:07:59< Ivanovic> (currently running wesnoth-optipng, in fact it just finished)
20101016 23:08:10< Ivanovic> saved >6MB
20101016 23:10:30< Ivanovic> oh, you'll love me, some 4000 images changed...
20101016 23:13:45< Crab_> Ivanovic: mail sent
20101016 23:13:50< Ivanovic> okay
20101016 23:13:53< zookeeper> eleazzaar, looks like the beaches work, nice. when you improve them, are you intending on making the 3-way corners even smoother?
20101016 23:14:18< CIA-105> ivanovic * r47067 /trunk/ (4533 files in 237 dirs): 
20101016 23:14:19< CIA-105> ran utils/wesnoth-optipng
20101016 23:14:19< CIA-105> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20101016 23:14:19< CIA-105> Original size: 71209 KiB on 4533 files
20101016 23:14:19< CIA-105> Optimized size: 64830 KiB
20101016 23:14:19< CIA-105> Total saving: 6379 KiB = 8% decrease
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20101016 23:26:44< esr> boucman: OK, downloaded the git snapshot, but it doesn't seem to have a remote defined.  How do I set it up to pull from the svn repo?
20101016 23:28:07< boucman> it's already setup for that, but git-svn checkouts are different from normal checkouts, you update with "git svn fetch" and I would advise reading the whole git-svn manpage if you havn't yet, it's a bit different from normal git
20101016 23:28:30< esr> Ah, OK, I've done that. 
20101016 23:31:33< zookeeper> esr, "Hush, Vraurk, we must trust the Son of the Black-Eye in these matters, for he is far more cunning in them then we are." <- "then we are"
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20101016 23:32:02< esr> Oops.  Didn't notice that.  Will fix.
20101016 23:34:56< esr> Something is wrong here.  That sentence is in my git checkout in the version before I modofied it a couple of hours ago, even though I just did a git svn fetch.
20101016 23:35:37< boucman> esr: not sure I understand (and i'm definitely not a git expert either)
20101016 23:35:48< esr> Is my git omage not talking to the main repo?  Is there some propagation kag I need to know about?
20101016 23:35:58< esr> s/kag/lag/
20101016 23:36:51< boucman> esr: git fetch does not update your local checkout, it does the equivalent of git fetch, not git pull (iirc) 
20101016 23:37:26< AI0867> you want git-svn rebase to actually update
20101016 23:39:24< esr> Ah, that worked.
20101016 23:39:36< AI0867> Ivanovic: improved version of optipng?
20101016 23:39:51< AI0867> looks like you recompressed nearly everything
20101016 23:39:51< Ivanovic> improved?
20101016 23:40:00< Ivanovic> the one that is available in trunk, no real changes
20101016 23:40:02< AI0867> including things that haven't changed recently
20101016 23:40:14< AI0867> that's just a script
20101016 23:40:20< Ivanovic> i know
20101016 23:40:21< AI0867> perhaps the actual program was updated
20101016 23:40:29< Ivanovic> and i don't think anything on my backend was changed
20101016 23:40:32< esr> AI0867: git svn dcommit to push back changes?
20101016 23:40:49< AI0867> esr: yes
20101016 23:41:30< esr> Permission denied: Can't create directory '/var/svn/wesnoth/db/transactions/47067-1.txn': Permission denied at /usr/lib/git-core/git-svn line 4374
20101016 23:41:38< AI0867> for both of these commands, the tree and index need to be clean, so all changes need to be committed, stashed or changed
20101016 23:41:54< AI0867> s/changed/on a different branch/
20101016 23:42:33< AI0867> esr: edit .git/config
20101016 23:42:41< AI0867> get your own username in there
20101016 23:42:53< AI0867> so it can use svn's cached authentication info
20101016 23:43:43< esr> AI0867: I don'yt see an obvious place to put 'esr' -- how do I do this?
20101016 23:44:57< AI0867> the line containing svn+ssh://
20101016 23:45:29< esr> No such line in .git/config
20101016 23:45:31< AI0867>     url = svn+ssh://ai0867@svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth
20101016 23:45:36< AI0867> there is none?
20101016 23:45:45< esr> That's right.
20101016 23:46:01< AI0867> odd, that's what I had to do to get my tarballs working
20101016 23:46:12< AI0867> that was over a year ago though
20101016 23:46:25< AI0867> who maintains the thing?
20101016 23:46:31< esr> Wait, was looking i wrong section...
20101016 23:46:52< shadowmaster> me shadowmaster
20101016 23:47:24< esr> me not Jane
20101016 23:47:59 * esr apologizes for gratuitous cheesy old movie reference
20101016 23:48:43< esr> git svn dcomit is taking forever, looks hung.
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20101016 23:49:42< shadowmaster> abandon all hope, ye who use libsvn
20101016 23:49:44< Espreon> silene ; zookeeper: It would be useful in creating semi-spooky shit.
20101016 23:51:13< esr> AI0867: Should that url by any chance have "trunk" on the end of it?
20101016 23:51:33< AI0867> checking...
20101016 23:51:47< shadowmaster> no
20101016 23:51:55< AI0867> not if you also have these lines:
20101016 23:51:58< AI0867>         fetch = trunk:refs/remotes/trunk
20101016 23:51:58< AI0867>         branches = branches/*:refs/remotes/*
20101016 23:51:58< AI0867>         tags = tags/*:refs/remotes/tags/*
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20101016 23:53:03< esr> That looks right.  svn dcommit is still hanging, though.
20101016 23:55:30< esr> Stuill hanging.
20101016 23:55:33< AI0867> does top say it's doing anything?
20101016 23:56:34< esr> Yeah, it's in 'R' state and churning like crazy.  #2 spot behind the Flash viewer that's doing Pandora Radio.
20101016 23:56:49< shadowmaster> esr: did you previously rebase?
20101016 23:56:55< esr> Yes.
20101016 23:57:01< esr> Oh, great.
20101016 23:57:16< esr> Transaction is out of date: File '/trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/utils/macros.cfg' is out of date at /usr/lib/git-core/git-svn line 570
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20101016 23:57:44< esr> Rebasing again.
20101016 23:58:08< esr> I'm getting a strong smell of chewing gum and baling wire from this....
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