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20101017 00:02:07< esr> git iks supposed to be, er, fast...
20101017 00:02:21< esr> (I know, I know...)
20101017 00:02:54< AI0867> yes, but libsvn is slow
20101017 00:03:15< AI0867> you should read shadowmaster's blogposts on the matter
20101017 00:04:05< esr> shadowmaster: URL?
20101017 00:04:57< AI0867> already looking
20101017 00:05:15< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/48-Subversion-blows.html
20101017 00:05:29< AI0867> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/48-Subversion-blows.html
20101017 00:05:39< shadowmaster> also http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/44-Rewriting-the-past,-and-the-woes-of-SVN.html
20101017 00:05:53< shadowmaster> (at the end of the last one)
20101017 00:06:56< shadowmaster> my earliest report on SVN's suckiness (with a bad writing style since it's my second post ever) is http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/2-Half-assed-commits.html
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20101017 00:07:30< shadowmaster> as you can see, bashing SVN is my pasttime.
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20101017 00:08:07< shadowmaster> since I've been working on my own small projects lately, I haven't had to deal with SVN in any way -- I just use Git with  no foreign transport whatsoever.
20101017 00:08:50< esr> shadowmaster: Yes, I just switched over all my local projects.  There were over 50, some dating back 20n years.
20101017 00:09:06< esr> I had to convert a lot of RCS directories.
20101017 00:09:41< esr> I disagree with yur bashing in only two ways:
20101017 00:10:42< esr> 1. DVCSes are genuinely better, not hust different, because (a) they free you from needing a live Internetconnection to do work, and (b) they have much better merge support.
20101017 00:11:32< esr> 2. I've used CVS.  A lot.  Trust me, as justified as your knocks on Subversion are, it was a large improvement over CVS.
20101017 00:12:03< boucman> indeed, at least svn has atomic commits...
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20101017 00:12:50< shadowmaster> esr: I think the most I've said about CVS is something to the effect of "if SVN is like this, I don't think I could bear using CVS" :)
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20101017 00:14:32< eleazzaar> zookeeper: "smoother 3-way corners?" i'm not sure what you mean
20101017 00:17:17< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=461361#p461361
20101017 00:18:27< shadowmaster> Gambit: the named maps that guy mentioned were removing on Feb 2008
20101017 00:18:38< shadowmaster> Gambit: the guy admitted he's talking about an older version
20101017 00:19:12< shadowmaster> read his last post more carefully -- I know it's hard to do due to the lack of proper punctuation.
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20101017 00:22:10< esr> shadowmaster: You are right.  CVS was horrible.  I've been using version-control systems since they debuted in the early 80s, and the truth is SVN was the first that didn't suck hard enough to pull a baseball through nine miles of garden hose.
20101017 00:22:52< esr> Though RCS is still tolerable for work on a single file, I'll admit that.
20101017 00:24:19< Gambit> Wtf @ People trying to get technical support or report bugs with 1.2 -_-
20101017 00:24:43< esr> Interesting.  Now reasinh your recent blog posts.  Your blog voice is different from your IRC voice.  
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20101017 00:25:58< shadowmaster> how so?
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20101017 00:26:24< esr> OK, git svn rebase followed by dcommit is (a) slow as shit, and (b) consistently failing - it's as though the rebase isn't actually pulling recent commits.
20101017 00:27:51< esr> Well, your blog writing is better.  More polished and more idiomatic.  On IRC it is sometimes detectable that you are not a native English speaker, but not even anyone with an ear for linguistic nuance as good as mine could tell that from your blog.
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20101017 00:28:24< shadowmaster> probably because I think more before writing an article ;)
20101017 00:28:32< Gambit> esr: Well that does make sense... he has more time to- yeah
20101017 00:28:34< esr> I'm sure that's true.
20101017 00:31:07< esr> Most native speakers can't do as well as your blog writing, actually.  English as a second language does have the peculiar advantage that it tencs to produce better than average competence in the written form if the person achieves competence at all.
20101017 00:32:43< esr> That's actually part of the backstory behind my unusual competence - because of some unusual circumstances in my childhood my learning process was in some ways like an ESL speaker. 
20101017 00:33:32< CIA-105> ai0867 * r47068 /trunk/utils/png_format_check.sh: Get rid of a bashism
20101017 00:33:34< CIA-105> ai0867 * r47069 /trunk/utils/png_format_check.sh: Exit if failing to run pngcheck
20101017 00:34:34< esr> (I was a crib bilingual who grew up exposed to a lot of ESL speakers and university graduates.  I had to learn idiomatic "street" English on returning to the US at age 13.
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20101017 00:48:19< zookeeper> eleazzaar, i mean that currently there's still a rather visible sharpish edge at 3-way corners, like that of sand, water and road
20101017 00:51:19< esr> git svn seems irremediably broken.  I can't get it to resolve the out-of-date transaction condition with any combination of fetch and rebase.
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20101017 00:53:10< Espreon> It seems that screwed up facings...
20101017 00:53:16< Espreon> *someone screwed
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20101017 00:54:58< CIA-105> esr * r47070 /trunk/data/ (2 files in 2 dirs): More spelling-mistake fixes.
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20101017 00:56:33< loonycyborg> esr: Also use git reset --hard :P
20101017 00:59:16< zookeeper> eleazzaar, the sharpish edge can best be seen when you place water with sand north of it and land in the nw and ne
20101017 00:59:57< zookeeper> it's not a disaster but if it can be fuzzier more without making something else look worse then it seems worth considering..
20101017 01:00:24< zookeeper> anyway, i gotta go, i'll take a look at the exact layering tomorrow
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20101017 01:10:59< Espreon> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?16877
20101017 01:12:28< Gambit> wesbot: bug 16877
20101017 01:12:28< wesbot> Bug #16877  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20101017 01:12:29< wesbot> Summary: Most units are stuck facing se, even after moving
20101017 01:12:29< wesbot> Original submission: Units that don't have defined standing animations for spe
20101017 01:12:31< wesbot> cific directions are stuck facing se, even after moving. So, a Dark Sorcerer wou
20101017 01:12:34< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?16877
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20101017 01:21:48< eleazzaar> zookeeper you don't have the land-to-water transitions that i'm working on that will mate with the sand under water.  These go under the crumbly bank i've made
20101017 01:22:01< eleazzaar> that will mostly take care of the underwater sharp edges
20101017 01:22:28< eleazzaar> as for the ones on land, some can be gotten rid of with some layering reordering
20101017 01:22:35< eleazzaar> others we'll have to live with
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20101017 02:20:14< Gambit> Is ANL still on the chopping block to be removed this development cycle?
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20101017 02:40:41< CIA-105> espreon * r47071 /trunk/ (115 files in 5 dirs): Standardized filenames, ids, and so forth in NR.
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20101017 03:21:32< CIA-105> eleazar * r47072 /trunk/ (50 files in 4 dirs): much refined submerged land-to-water transitions for most terrains, and layering glitch fixes.
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20101017 04:40:19< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers' Discussions • [Policy] Posting Guidelines — Updated Oct. 16th 2010 by Development Team at 10-17-2010 02:38:18 http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=24277&p=461502#p461502
20101017 04:41:27< Gambit> It's like Christmas in October.
20101017 04:41:48< Gambit> But without all the yelling.
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20101017 07:31:40< shadowmaster> anyone knows what's the current core install dir pattern is for the Windows installer? "%programfiles%\Wesnoth <VERSION>" is correct?
20101017 07:32:04< shadowmaster> (don't point me to the wiki page on this. I'm actually editing it right now.)
20101017 07:34:39< shadowmaster> I think I'm accidentally taking the role of wiki/forum documentation cleaner
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20101017 09:31:54< SpoOkyMagician> hm... I got a quick question WML wise... how exactly does [wml_message] work?
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20101017 09:33:39< SpoOkyMagician> it looks pretty useful but I don't exactly know where to get the message displayed from. (does it not work in windows?)
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20101017 09:37:40< SpoOkyMagician> (meaning, where does the output go to exactly? windows wise. if it even works at all for windows.)
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20101017 11:29:35< Ivanovic> moin
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20101017 11:52:58< Ivanovic> Espreon: in r47071 you commited a problematic change
20101017 11:53:16< Ivanovic> Espreon: the change in pofix is, uhm, yeah, it sucks since we got an en_GB translation
20101017 11:53:38< Ivanovic> so when applying pofix.py on those files, the string will be changed to the americanized version
20101017 11:54:25< Ivanovic> with other words: changes to remove americanization musn't be listed in pofix.py since they conflict with a translation we got
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20101017 12:36:28< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31920#p461507
20101017 12:36:41< Gambit> That's a new one; and hilarious.
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20101017 13:06:01< Soliton> ilor_: wesnoth.org is debian stable as well so should be easy. Rhonda, Ivanovic or i can set you up with an account and install the necessary packages no problem.
20101017 13:11:06< ilor_> Soliton: great. is installing python packages through easy_install or the like possible?
20101017 13:11:53< Soliton> no idea. staying with apt if possible is probably prefered.
20101017 13:13:04< Soliton> easy_install is there fwiw. i have no idea aobut it though.
20101017 13:13:46< ilor_> I can put django locally but for addon reprocessing I'd need celery and rabbitmq which are not in debian stable
20101017 13:14:28< ilor_> celery is easy_install-able, I guess I could try it locally as well, rabbitmq has a .deb on theri webpage that worked for me
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20101017 13:17:10< ilor_> things would be easier after a few out-of-apt packages though
20101017 13:17:36< ilor_> especially since rabbitmq and celery would eventually have to be run as daemons
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20101017 13:19:10< Soliton> ok, probably best to talk to Rhonda about that.
20101017 13:20:12< ilor> Rhonda: around? ;)
20101017 13:22:19< Soliton> if she isn't though, i have time today so we can start on setting things up either way.
20101017 13:25:39< Ivanovic> alink: just made another quick test using the proprietary ati driver, speed is *lovely*
20101017 13:26:22< Ivanovic> alink: in fullscreen 1920x1200 i get well into the three digit fps numbers in the first scenario of dead water (where you see *lots* of water)
20101017 13:33:07< ilor> Soliton: unfortunately I won't be readily available soonish, I'm catching a train on 3pm
20101017 13:33:35< ilor> cellphone-internet coverage is spotty on the way, and then I have a busy evening
20101017 13:33:55< ilor> (3pm is now+1.5hrs)
20101017 13:34:16< Soliton> well, i can setup your account and install some of the things you mentioned then you can check what else is needed when you have time.
20101017 13:34:26< zookeeper> Espreon, you missed 08a_Elvish_Princess.cfg:537 and 11a_The_Eastern_Flank.cfg:474
20101017 13:34:34< ilor> Soliton: okay
20101017 13:35:01< zookeeper> Espreon, as i said before, you should be more careful with those renamings :p
20101017 13:46:08< Soliton> btw, dev mp server is still running pretty badly. either it crashes or it hangs on a deadlock.
20101017 13:57:51< Rhonda> ilor: Yes? Some more content though would be helpful, might not be around anymore when you get to it.
20101017 13:59:30< ilor> Rhonda: seems you're the one to go to about installing out-of-apt stuff on wesnoth.org?
20101017 14:02:05< ilor> as far as I remember debian stable doesn't have rabbitmq-server which I'll need soon-ish, it's available as a .deb on the project page
20101017 14:02:51< ilor> same deal about django and celery, though I guess I could manage installing those locally
20101017 14:06:05< Rhonda> rabbitmq-server could get backported.
20101017 14:06:22< Rhonda> But the other two doesn't seem to be available as package at all?
20101017 14:06:35< ilor> there might be an old version of django in stable
20101017 14:07:01< Rhonda> ah, python-django
20101017 14:07:24< Rhonda> Isn't the 1.0.2 good enough?
20101017 14:07:32< Rhonda> Ah, there is 1.1.1 in lenny-backports, that works.
20101017 14:08:08< ilor> 1.1 should be good enough, I guess
20101017 14:08:30< Rhonda> I could bug the backporter to update to 1.2.3, if that's possible.
20101017 14:08:56< ilor> if it's not having it separately shouldn't be a problem, this is exactly how I have it set up on that other debian-stable server
20101017 14:10:11< ilor> celery I got using easy_install, it pulls in a few other python packages, carrot and something else
20101017 14:11:50< Rhonda> Can you bug me again next week? I'm in weekend mode with my son.
20101017 14:12:42< ilor> Rhonda: sure, weekend mode here too and mondays/tuesdays are hectic at work, so expect to be bugged on Wednesday ;)
20101017 14:13:11< Rhonda> … when I will be at openSUSE conference giving a talk about Debian.
20101017 14:13:31< ilor> I'll be trying later, then
20101017 14:14:35< Rhonda> Ah yes, will be technicly offline from saturday early morning until about wednesday next week.
20101017 14:17:31< loonycyborg> Why there are Debian talks at openSUSE conference? Isn't it a little bit off-topic?
20101017 14:19:00< Rhonda> Not at all, the conference topic is "Collaboration across Borders" and they explicitly invited other distributions to give talks.
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20101017 14:46:23< ilor> I'm off for now
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20101017 15:44:16< CIA-105> boucman * r47073 /trunk/src/ (unit_animation.cpp unit_animation.hpp): fix units without standing animations always facing eastward, fix for bug #16877
20101017 15:55:44< boucman> wesbot: seen alink
20101017 15:55:45< wesbot> boucman: The person with the nick alink last spoke 5d 15h ago.  5d 15h ago they left with the message: Remote host closed the connection
20101017 15:55:51< boucman> hmm
20101017 15:56:19< boucman> Ivanovic: fyi, wesnoth ogl is more or less unplayable on my netbook
20101017 15:56:20< Ivanovic> boucman: he already said that he won't be around much if at all for about a week
20101017 15:57:05< boucman> it's en eee pc 1105 HA (if you ever need the detailed specs) and IIRC I was at ~5fps on the test scenario, but i'll recheck taht right away
20101017 15:57:27< Ivanovic> don't use the test scenario, that one sucks because of the huge amount of overlay text
20101017 15:57:52< Ivanovic> use something closer to real life, eg the first scenario of two brothers that features some animated terrain right through the middle of the map
20101017 15:58:05< boucman> ok, will do and report fps
20101017 16:00:16< boucman> title screen is painfully slow
20101017 16:01:53< boucman> I'm somewhere between 16 and 25 fps 
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20101017 16:43:08< Ivanovic> there was nothing changed/improved regarding the title screen
20101017 16:43:23< Ivanovic> so for the moment you probably want to turn the logo anim off (that is at least what i have done)
20101017 16:45:06< boucman> Ivanovic: I don't intend to play with OGL, it's simply that I promised to test it on my netbook once it was upgraded
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20101017 18:00:42< alink> hi
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20101017 18:01:55< alink> yeah, still busy (and a bit sick), so probably back to normal activity only in a few days
20101017 18:02:48< alink> to people having FBO error with the ogl branch, don't worry I will make them non mandatory soon
20101017 18:03:27< alink> (the FBO, not the error) ;p
20101017 18:05:17< alink> mordante: the number of encountered units was only there because it was the initial idea. Specifying unit type is probably enough and better (various stuff could artificially boost the number, like UMC eras etc..)
20101017 18:05:50< alink> I only kept it because it was a 2 lines feature 
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20101017 18:26:07< Gambit> Wtf at running wesnoth on linux through wine...
20101017 18:28:40 * loonycyborg is unfazed by Gambit's wtfs
20101017 18:28:58< eleazzaar> zookeeper: did you ever do the macro for animated corner based transitions?
20101017 18:29:07< eleazzaar> For the waves
20101017 18:29:19< eleazzaar> it doesn't have to be half-width like the shore
20101017 18:29:38< Gambit> loonycyborg: You do that too?
20101017 18:29:54< loonycyborg> Yes. For testing purposes mostly.
20101017 18:30:28< loonycyborg> Each opportunity to test matters. That helped me to catch missing dlls for example.
20101017 18:31:34< loonycyborg> Besides that's a lot more convenient than multibooting/running virtual machine.
20101017 18:33:56< zookeeper> eleazzaar, no, not yet. you need it?
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20101017 19:15:20< CIA-105> soliton * r47074 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed regression from r46388; fixes bug #16866: Shroud is on by default in 'use map settings'
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20101017 19:54:39 * zookeeper blinks
20101017 19:55:21< zookeeper> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/P7hHHESa <- wtf, that results in a "no" message instead of "false" :P
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20101017 20:16:41< CIA-105> zookeeper * r47075 /trunk/data/core/macros/conditional-utils.cfg: Made IF_ALLIED use [store_side] instead of [store_unit] and prevented the condition from passing if neither side exists. Probably fixes the macro being broken.
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20101017 20:49:42< Espreon> Ivanovic: I already corrected the msgid and kept the translation in the en_GB translation; pofix shouldn't mess with it anymore.
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20101017 20:52:52< Espreon> zookeeper: Thanks; I'll deal with it as soon as possible.
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20101017 20:57:53 * zookeeper kicks CIA-105
20101017 20:58:03< CIA-105> ow
20101017 20:58:03< CIA-105> zookeeper * r47076 /trunk/data/multiplayer/scenarios/6p_Team_Survival.cfg: Cleaned up some unnecessary macro usage and fixed the walls coming down around empty player sides.
20101017 21:00:25< Ivanovic> Espreon: those conversions listed in the files really are problematic though
20101017 21:00:39< Ivanovic> Espreon: they are too likely to be able to cause some issues
20101017 21:03:43< Espreon> Well... upon recieving a batch of en_GB updates, just make sure things don't get screwed up by pofix. I certainly wouldn't inconvenience translations/transliterations just to save something in a mere dialect translation. But, I make not the decisions around here, so... yeah.
20101017 21:04:03< Ivanovic> and you think i remember this by then?
20101017 21:04:24< Ivanovic> in general: don't add those fixes in pofix.py and be done
20101017 21:04:46< Ivanovic> yeah, there is already a whole load that translators have to tackle anyway
20101017 21:04:55< Espreon> True.
20101017 21:04:57< Ivanovic> there this fix does not make too much of a difference
20101017 21:05:06< Espreon> As for remembering... write a note somewhere?
20101017 21:05:09< Ivanovic> and it *can* create problems in the future
20101017 21:05:53< Espreon> So, I guess you want me to revert that revision's effects on po/ and utils/, right?
20101017 21:06:24< Ivanovic> esr: what is the status of the new dialog stuff for zookeeper, is this already done?
20101017 21:06:35< Ivanovic> Espreon: leave it in the po files and just remove the like from pofix.py
20101017 21:06:54< Ivanovic> since that it is fixed ain't no problem for those getting a fresh copy of the po file
20101017 21:07:12< esr> Ivanovic: No, I expect I'll get it done today though.  The SpellingMistakes stuff is all wrapped up.
20101017 21:07:27< Espreon> Ivanovic: Very well...
20101017 21:07:39< Ivanovic> yeah, you already mentioned the spelling mistakes being wrapped up
20101017 21:07:47< Ivanovic> waiting for the other changed strings anyway
20101017 21:07:49< Ivanovic> ;)
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20101017 21:10:34< eleazzaar> zookeeper: yes, i'm ready to put some prototype animated waves in place.
20101017 21:32:42< zookeeper> eleazzaar, ok, i'll see what i can do...
20101017 21:33:20< zookeeper> eleazzaar, what sort of macro do you want? just regular corner transitions, but animated?
20101017 21:35:18< zookeeper> i think even the existing macros can handle that via a BUILDER
20101017 21:35:22 * zookeeper takes a look
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20101017 21:42:49< zookeeper> eleazzaar, how many frames is the animation?
20101017 21:42:58< zookeeper> (and what's the timing?)
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20101017 22:18:34< CIA-105> zookeeper * r47077 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: Added a commented-out terrain rule for corner-based beach wave animations.
20101017 22:20:47< zookeeper> eleazzaar, ^ there you go. uncomment that line, adjust the filepath, drop in the images and it should work. the ANIMATION_10 builder assumes 10 frames, if you need to change that, look in terrain-graphics/builder.cfg for a more suitable one or add your own there.
20101017 22:21:05< eleazzaar> zookeeper: OK
20101017 22:21:06< eleazzaar> thanks
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20101017 23:04:07< eleazzaar> zookeeper: this new macro isn't positioned like the shore is it?
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20101017 23:06:38< zookeeper> eleazzaar, oh, right. it isn't, silly me.
20101017 23:07:03< eleazzaar> anyway....
20101017 23:07:08< eleazzaar> IT WORKS!
20101017 23:07:18< eleazzaar> animated waves in wesnoth
20101017 23:07:21< zookeeper> it does? O.o
20101017 23:07:34< zookeeper> how _did_ you cut the images then?
20101017 23:07:40< eleazzaar> (monstruously ugly ones from only 1 direction)
20101017 23:07:54< zookeeper> oh. ok ;)
20101017 23:08:52< zookeeper> i'm currently trying to figure out how to add as-simple-as-possible BUILDER-style thing to my new macros, but if you want i can make a custom macro for the waves right away and then clean it up later
20101017 23:09:31< boucman> zookeeper: if I can help in any way...
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20101017 23:13:24< CIA-105> eleazar * r47078 /trunk/data/core/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Waves... monstruously ugly ones from only 1 direction
20101017 23:13:41< zookeeper> boucman, well, i'm trying to make my macros accept some kind of builder macros right in the IMAGESTEM...
20101017 23:13:43< zookeeper> that is, instead of having an extra macro argument for the builder like in {OVERLAY_B *^Wm ANIMATION_18_70 misc/windmill}, i'd just do it like this: {OVERLAY *^Wm {ANIMATION_18 misc/windmill 70}}
20101017 23:14:14< boucman> hmm
20101017 23:14:17< zookeeper> it'd be much nicer that way since then you can just use a special animation builder macro whenever you want wherever you want
20101017 23:14:21< boucman> tricky
20101017 23:14:31< zookeeper> but i'm not sure yet if the preprocessor is capable of that
20101017 23:14:42< zookeeper> but yes, either way it's pretty tricky ;)
20101017 23:15:04< eleazzaar> zookeeper: the new cutting is easier for me to work with
20101017 23:15:28< eleazzaar> also the waves should be asynchronous like the water base animation
20101017 23:15:29< boucman> I wanted to do that at first but droped the idea, one of the problem is that all builders have to be called in the same way (same number of params) because they are called internally by the macros
20101017 23:15:37< boucman> so you could change it to something like 
20101017 23:15:54< boucman>  {OVERLAY_B *^Wm ANIMATION 18 70 misc/windmill}
20101017 23:15:57< zookeeper> eleazzaar, ok, so i'll add a new temporary macro similar to the beach macro, just a moment...
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20101017 23:16:08< eleazzaar> zookeeper: great
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20101017 23:16:44< boucman> if the ANIMATION had two extra parameters, but that would mean all builder type macros (including image_single) would need them, if that's fine, you could do it that way
20101017 23:17:46< boucman> the problem with the syntax with brackets within brackets is that the brackets are expanded too early at a point we can't control what's going on... that why we pass the macro name and not a macro call, it allows to control where the macro is really called
20101017 23:17:51< zookeeper> eleazzaar, what's the number of frames and timing?
20101017 23:18:07< eleazzaar> curretnly 6 frams 150 
20101017 23:18:22< eleazzaar> 2 spelling errors a second
20101017 23:18:36< eleazzaar> ;)
20101017 23:19:32< zookeeper> boucman, i see
20101017 23:30:30< zookeeper> eleazzaar, still working on it...i'm doing something wrong, just have to find out what ;)
20101017 23:32:19< zookeeper> ha, it works
20101017 23:35:34< CIA-105> zookeeper * r47079 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: Added a temporary custom macro for the animated beach waves.
20101017 23:35:38< zookeeper> oops, forgot to commit the macro itself. -.- oh well...
20101017 23:36:44< CIA-105> zookeeper * r47080 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics/new-macros.cfg: Added a temporary custom macro for the animated beach waves... for real this time.
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20101017 23:37:35< zookeeper> eleazzaar, ^ that should do it
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20101017 23:44:26< boucman> night all
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