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20101020 00:01:32< CIA-105> espreon * r47122 /trunk/ (55 files in 3 dirs): 'Lava chasm' -> 'Lava Chasm'.
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20101020 00:56:04< ancestral> AI0867: Do I need to build the Wesnoth application from trunk if I am using wmlparser2? (or if I specified Wesnoth 1.9.1 using the -w flag would that be sufficient?)
20101020 00:59:32< AI0867> no
20101020 00:59:40< AI0867> the script is enough
20101020 01:00:04< AI0867> that is, any 1.9.1-or-later version of the wesnoth executable will do
20101020 01:00:19< AI0867> probably some earlier ones too, but I don't know where the exact border is
20101020 01:00:42< AI0867> so, yes to the second question
20101020 01:04:31< anonymissimus> AI0867: you are the author of wmlvalidator I think ?
20101020 01:05:03< anonymissimus> what is the tool supposed to do, is it supposed to work correctly, on Linux at least ?
20101020 01:05:26< anonymissimus> or is it somehow unfinished ?
20101020 01:05:30< ancestral> I tried it on my notebook computer and only got 70K on the file, got an error… but let me try on my desktop (where I've been troubleshooting this mostly)
20101020 01:06:45< AI0867> it is unfinished
20101020 01:07:18< AI0867> I'm (going to) port(ing) it to wmlparser2, but that's not done yet either
20101020 01:08:14< AI0867> I'm was already in the process of rewriting it before that, but hadn't decided on the new design yet
20101020 01:08:24< AI0867> and I still haven't spent enough time actually thinking about that
20101020 01:08:48< Gambit> Soliton: When you have time, I'd like to talk to you about lobby and some of the perl scripts in utils (the WML module and wesnothd.pl)
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20101020 01:14:28< ancestral> AI0867: Success so far
20101020 01:16:20< AI0867> ancestral: question: which version of python do you have installed?
20101020 01:16:24< AI0867> python --version <--
20101020 01:17:06< ancestral> 2.5.1 on my desktop (which appeared to work fine)
20101020 01:18:11< AI0867> I have 2.5 on this laptop too
20101020 01:18:46< ancestral> 2.6.6 on my laptop (which didn't work)
20101020 01:18:58< AI0867> it works reasonably well, but if you have 2.6, wmlparser2 switches to using json.dumps rather than a homegrown string formatting function
20101020 01:19:21< AI0867> json.dumps is guaranteed to generate json-compatible output, my strify function is not
20101020 01:19:26< ancestral> I see
20101020 01:19:39< ancestral> Well let me svn up on my laptop and then see what happens
20101020 01:19:56< AI0867> particularly, search for 'Rise' in about.cfg
20101020 01:20:07< AI0867> the lines will be quite different on python 2.5 and 2.6
20101020 01:20:37< AI0867> which distro are you using on your desktop btw?
20101020 01:21:26< AI0867> I have debian lenny here, so when squeeze stabilizes (within 6 months, probably), I plan on removing strify
20101020 01:22:01< AI0867> lenny = current stable, squeeze = current testing
20101020 01:23:34< ancestral> AI0867: No Linux here; OS X 10.5.8 for my desktop and 10.6.4 for my laptop
20101020 01:24:31< AI0867> so, manually installed?
20101020 01:24:59< AI0867> in that case, you aren't evidence for distros slower than debian
20101020 01:25:55< ancestral> Well OS X comes with something by default; I believe 10.5 and 10.6 both come pre-installed with flavors of 2.5.x. I think I did recently install 2.6.6 on my laptop on my own
20101020 01:27:51< AI0867> is 10.7 coming out anytime soon?
20101020 01:27:51< ancestral> I see what you mean, like with the umlaut? 2.5 has \xf6 whereas 2.6 has \u00f6
20101020 01:28:06< ancestral> AI0867: We might know more tomorrow
20101020 01:28:09< AI0867> okay, with me the difference is a lot bigger
20101020 01:28:23< AI0867> for me, only the quoted part of the string exists
20101020 01:28:31< AI0867> and it ends in a backslash
20101020 01:28:38< ancestral> Actually yes
20101020 01:28:40< ancestral> I have the same thing
20101020 01:28:57< AI0867> well, that's not what it's supposed to look like
20101020 01:28:58< ancestral> 2.6 has the "portraits" part where 2.5 doesn't
20101020 01:29:02< AI0867> yeah
20101020 01:29:31< AI0867> that's a result of how python's repr() behaves and that my strify() abuses it in strange ways
20101020 01:30:11< AI0867> I could hack it up further to account for this special case, but I don't think it's worth the effort
20101020 01:30:28< AI0867> because it's far from the only special case
20101020 01:30:34< ancestral> Well this is awesome, even if I need to have Python 2.6, this saves an incredible amount of time
20101020 01:31:42< ancestral> And it beats the pants off of the current way wmlunits does units.wesnoth.org :-D
20101020 01:31:45< AI0867> ancestral: you could install simplejson instead (which is what the json module was before it got 'mainlined') and replace strify with it
20101020 01:31:57< AI0867> orly?
20101020 01:33:32< ancestral> Well all the pages on units.wesnoth.org are generated through a python script that takes 5-10 minutes to generate dozens of html files (unless this was changed recently)
20101020 01:33:53< AI0867> ancestral: it has been ported to use wmlparser2 too I believe
20101020 01:34:12< ancestral> Interesting
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20101020 01:35:05< SpoOkyMagician> http://pastebin.org/322821
20101020 01:35:08< SpoOkyMagician> first is dwi
20101020 01:35:11< SpoOkyMagician> second is sm
20101020 01:35:40< SpoOkyMagician> (havent edited the step difficulty number yet)
20101020 01:36:57< SpoOkyMagician> oops
20101020 01:37:08< SpoOkyMagician> sorry wrong channel
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20101020 01:44:42< ancestral> Something seems funny, like units are getting skipped
20101020 01:45:28< ancestral> No, hmm, they're there
20101020 01:47:32< ancestral> I see, the id and core information is below the attacks and animation info, that's why I got confused :)
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20101020 01:53:02< AI0867> ancestral: I could put the keys ahead of the tags, but my fix required me to separate the two groups
20101020 01:53:24< ancestral> It shouldn't matter at all, it's an object :)
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20101020 02:03:28< ancestral> AI0867: Now I just need to find a way to save these objects to their separate files
20101020 02:03:44< ancestral> one for Elvish Fighter, one for Elvish Archer, etc.
20101020 02:04:42< ancestral> since the json file for _main.cfg comes in at 3.5MB
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20101020 02:33:43< AI0867> ancestral: load it in, follow the tree to [unit_type] and dump every one of those into a file named after its ID
20101020 02:34:11< AI0867> though that info alone is not really enough, units with [base_unit] also need their base, and *everyone* needs their movetype
20101020 02:34:46< ancestral> Yeah there are files that I'll need to open for resistances and movetypes, right
20101020 02:34:52< ancestral> Which is okay
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20101020 07:07:50< fendrin> shadowmaster: http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=121726 Does his signature apply to the rules? The red line does annoy me.
20101020 07:08:45< shadowmaster> what red line? :P ;)
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20101020 08:35:03< fendrin> shadowmaster: And the brackets... Unbalanced parentheses drive me crazy.
20101020 08:36:31< fendrin> shadowmaster: Also it does remember me to the awful new star wars movies. That alone should rectify a lifetime ban.
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20101020 10:02:00< Ivanovic> moin
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20101020 10:10:08< zookeeper> good grief, is no balancing for SoE enough? http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=461999#p461999
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20101020 13:01:38< CIA-105> ivanovic * r47123 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/ja.po wesnoth-tutorial/ja.po wesnoth-units/ja.po): updated Japanese translation
20101020 13:41:03< CIA-105> zookeeper * r47124 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Decreased the physical resistances of the Dwarvish Scout and Dwarvish Pathfinder to 10% and those of the Dwarvish Explorer to 20%.
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20101020 21:17:55< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20101020 21:30:24< shadowmaster> Chocobones have an abnormal defense on villages for being mounted units :/
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20101020 22:14:03< stikonas> is there any way to change the font size in wesnoth?
20101020 22:15:43< Ivanovic> no easy and intuitive way
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20101020 22:32:09< CIA-105> anonymissimus * r47125 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: 
20101020 22:32:09< CIA-105> Changed the debug messages in [move_units_fake] handler so that they need
20101020 22:32:09< CIA-105> --log-debug=engine (used in most of the other handlers) so that it doesn't
20101020 22:32:09< CIA-105> output messages which are useless for the wml author just because debug mode is
20101020 22:32:09< CIA-105> on. (part #1 of bug #16906)
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20101020 22:51:26< shadowmaster> gah, people say that Siege of Elensefar is difficult? Have they even co nsidered what follows next?
20101020 22:52:08< shadowmaster> things would be oh so much easier if Konrad & co. just ran away from the valley of death
20101020 22:53:15< zookeeper> too bad the SoE complainers never both use a latest version and attach a beginning-of-scenario save.
20101020 23:01:24< zookeeper> shadowmaster, also i guess i could give chocobones 40% on villages... anyone can think of a reason not to?
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20101020 23:08:16< _jbx_> zookeeper: would make sense (40% chocos on vills)
20101020 23:15:18< zookeeper> ok, done
20101020 23:15:33< CIA-105> zookeeper * r47126 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Decreased the village defense of Chocobone from 60% to 40%.
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