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20101029 00:09:34< eleazzaar> zookeeper: you know... maybe i should just define an alternate set of sand terrains -- they would look the same, but they would lot allow waves
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20101029 00:10:18< eleazzaar> maybe that would be the sweet spot between control and simplicity
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20101029 00:15:18< noy> eleazzaar: got a moment?
20101029 00:15:28< noy> I need some help with our GCI application
20101029 00:15:39< noy> which is for the google code-in for highschool students
20101029 00:15:42< eleazzaar> CGI?
20101029 00:15:50< noy> google code in
20101029 00:16:01< eleazzaar> yes, i got a momment
20101029 00:16:45< noy> well I've got an emergency which I need to deal with soon, but we'd like to have an art related offer
20101029 00:17:00< noy> like for students to apply to it
20101029 00:17:14< noy> think you can write one up?
20101029 00:17:54< eleazzaar> can you get me the relevant links
20101029 00:18:14< eleazzaar> i don't really know what the code-in is
20101029 00:18:25< noy> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GCI#Difficulty
20101029 00:18:38< noy> basically its a google summer of code for high school students
20101029 00:18:58< noy> but its different in a few ways (not really relevant to right now)
20101029 00:19:14< noy> anyway, we need to put up some tasks for potential students
20101029 00:19:22< zookeeper> AFAICT it's like a light summer of code; much shorter and easier tasks
20101029 00:19:30< eleazzaar> so, similar level of detail to other things on that page?
20101029 00:20:30< noy> yes... if you want to add a terrain one that would be awesome
20101029 00:20:41< noy> call the difficulty high though for artists 
20101029 00:21:09< eleazzaar> i could write something for terrain-- i don't think i should for other branches of art
20101029 00:21:15< AI0867> yogiHH: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=32033&start=0 <-- you wrote the code that does this. is there a reason [advancefrom] experience cannot increase max_experience?
20101029 00:21:24< noy> eleazzaar: that would be awesome if you could
20101029 00:24:23< eleazzaar> does this thing happen soon?
20101029 00:25:18< eleazzaar> what's the timeframe, noy?
20101029 00:25:25< noy> yeah I need it for tomorrow
20101029 00:25:49< eleazzaar> conveniently i already have a list of open terrain tasks
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20101029 00:30:37< eleazzaar> noy: OK, i'm on it
20101029 00:33:17< noy> eleazzaar: thats great... I really appreciate it
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20101029 00:59:56< eleazzaar> noy: OK, how this: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GCI#Terrain_Graphics 
20101029 00:59:57< eleazzaar> ?
20101029 01:02:14< noy> eleazzaar: the best yet
20101029 01:02:20< noy> thank you very much
20101029 01:03:19< eleazzaar> np
20101029 01:03:32< eleazzaar> i'll be glad to get some more art
20101029 01:03:53< eleazzaar> gotta go
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20101029 01:08:24< noy> thanks again!
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20101029 01:14:38< einHarzil> hmm
20101029 01:14:55< einHarzil> with 1.8, after installing some addons i installed xp era
20101029 01:16:04< einHarzil> at cache rebuild etc. step wesnoth ate >600 mb virtual and >300 mb physical
20101029 01:16:14< einHarzil> (at the time i killed it)
20101029 01:16:30< shadowmaster> what's the add-on's name again?
20101029 01:16:49< einHarzil> "XP Era"
20101029 01:18:10< shadowmaster> it doesn't seem to cause problems for me.
20101029 01:18:29< shadowmaster> the cache was already rebuilt before you installed that era, or there were more add-ons installed before the last rebuild?
20101029 01:19:04< einHarzil> i dont really know
20101029 01:19:15< einHarzil> i played before installing xp era
20101029 01:19:23< einHarzil> and i only installed xp era
20101029 01:19:40< shadowmaster> then it was rebuilt already.
20101029 01:19:55< shadowmaster> how odd. I only have a handful of add-ons here and xp era but Wesnoth uses around 112 MiB of RAM only
20101029 01:20:19< shadowmaster> 448 MiB virtual
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20101029 01:21:34< einHarzil> http://harzilein.eu.org/users/harzi/wesnoth-addons.txt
20101029 01:23:05 * shadowmaster tends to be suspicious of any installation including Ageless.
20101029 01:24:25< einHarzil> theres a progress bar after i leave addon server but i get to main menu fine. then when i join multiplayer server it takes some time and then my computer starts thrashing from swap
20101029 01:24:55< shadowmaster> just a suggestion: try removing Ageless.
20101029 01:25:30< shadowmaster> you can move them to a separate directory to avoi deleting the files
20101029 01:25:37< einHarzil> oh, i think it might be dotgv
20101029 01:25:56< einHarzil> 20101029 01:25:08 error config: Too much nested preprocessing inclusions at 2 ~add-ons/DoTGV/_main.cfg 2 ~add-ons/DoTGV/_main.cfg 2 ~add-ons/DoTGV/_main.cfg 2 ~add-ons/DoTGV/_main.cfg 2 ~add-ons/DoTGV/_main.cfg 2 ~add-ons/DoTGV/_main.cfg 2 ~add-ons/DoTGV/_main.cfg 2 ~add-ons/DoTGV/_main.cfg 2 ~add-ons/DoTGV/_main.cfg 2 ~add-ons/DoTGV/_main.cfg 2 ~add-ons/DoTGV/_main.cfg 2 ~add-ons/DoTGV/_main.cfg 2 ~add-ons/DoTGV/_main.cfg 6 ~add-ons/
20101029 01:30:25< einHarzil> why does everyone suspect ageless? from what i read in the forums thhere were only problems with games going oos once and those got fixed
20101029 01:36:53< einHarzil> also strange: 20101029 01:35:41 error config: File not found 'OROCIARM_SET_LABEL4'
20101029 01:36:59< einHarzil> (i get similar errors with
20101029 01:37:06< einHarzil> 20101029 01:35:41 error config: File not found 'COLOR'
20101029 01:37:09< einHarzil> )
20101029 01:37:29< einHarzil> but i can grep for the former. and theres nothing out of place
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20101029 02:04:40< shadowmaster> eleazzaar: is this still valid? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?15925 if so, do you have anything to add now that terrain.editor_name exists?
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20101029 02:51:11< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r47266 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: Remove a unused class left over from revision 47240
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20101029 03:32:01< sfb> Are you guys applying for GCI?
20101029 03:34:01< shadowmaster> I think so, yes
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20101029 03:38:34< sfb> Are y ou tracking your ideas on your wiki? I'm just curious about the kind of ideas people have.
20101029 03:38:48< sfb> I actually had difficulties finding out orgs that are considering applying.
20101029 03:40:00< noy> sfb: yes we have
20101029 03:40:02< noy> applied
20101029 03:40:21< noy> we have ideas on our wiki as well
20101029 03:44:46< sfb> noy: I hear you're the man to talk to about the iPhone app.
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20101029 03:53:24< noy> well, I guess so
20101029 03:53:33< noy> were you at the gsoc thingy?
20101029 03:56:13< sfb> Yeah, I was.
20101029 03:56:26< sfb> I was in a session with boucman about the Mac App Store.
20101029 03:56:29< sfb> Got to talking
20101029 03:56:35< sfb> And was wondering what the difficult parts were.
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20101029 04:14:43< noy> sfb: lets talk privately
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20101029 10:30:46< zookeeper> eleazzaar, i somehow completely missed your question about the sand and waves yesterday... i'm not sure, it sounds pretty hacky. since i do feel the current waves are a bit too large, i'd rather see an attempt at a one-size-fits-all set of waves.
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20101029 14:55:11< boucman> hey all
20101029 14:55:16< boucman> noy: around ?
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20101029 15:21:20< Soliton> boucman: he's gone for some days (or will be today), prossibly without internet.
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20101029 15:24:50< boucman> did he register us for GCI ?
20101029 15:26:37< Soliton> see mentor channel (yes)
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20101029 16:36:55< CIA-85> boucman * r47267 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): merge the auto_flip and primary, this breaks auto_flip, will fix asap
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20101029 16:38:02< CIA-85> boucman * r47268 /trunk/src/ (unit_animation.cpp unit_frame.cpp unit_frame.hpp): fix units not facing the right direction when moving
20101029 16:38:09< boucman> YES
20101029 16:38:19< boucman> got it to work :)
20101029 16:38:44< boucman> zookeeper: that might fix your glitch, but I havn't tested completely yet
20101029 16:40:45< zookeeper> ok, i'll test it when there's a new build
20101029 16:48:08< boucman> i'll try in a few moment, good to know you're around in case I can't reproduce
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20101029 17:11:22< boucman> completeing the wml right menu in the wiki might be a good gci task
20101029 17:16:06< Soliton> only if it amounts to some automatic tool that can be run again later IMO. (can't be that hard?)
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20101029 17:26:12< boucman> Soliton: hmm, making the wml be auto-generated for actions would be an interesting task, assuming mordante's automated tool is ready for that...
20101029 17:26:22< boucman> since it's a well defined area in the source
20101029 17:27:37< zookeeper> i assumed he meant something that'd generate the list from the tags documented on the wiki, not from the source.
20101029 17:27:40< Soliton> i was just talking about the menu but sure if we do that doing the menu automatic will be a by-product.
20101029 17:29:11< zookeeper> hrhm, i've been rewriting parts of a single scenario for three days now.
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20101029 17:37:04< zookeeper> Soliton, you don't happen to have a remotely recent beginning-of-scenario save for SotBE:clash of armies (one of an actual playthrough with a real recall list etc)?
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20101029 18:41:39< Soliton> zookeeper: nope.
20101029 18:43:10< zookeeper> Soliton, meh, okay. i just have to debug-create a reasonable amount of units and deduct gold manually when testing...
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20101029 19:04:17< eleazzaar> zookeeper: i really don't think there is a "one size fits all" that won't be extremely anemic.
20101029 19:08:55< zookeeper> eleazzaar, oh well, i guess i don't mind anemic myself :P
20101029 19:10:50< zookeeper> anyway, it'd be more natural to make separate "calm" and "wavy" water terrains (so you'd only get the big beach waves when "wavy" is next to sand), but that'd be much more messy since you'd need gray/normal/tropical variations for that too...maybe?
20101029 19:11:36< boucman> zookeeper: i can't reproduce, but i'm not 100%sure of the method, so i'll wait for you report to close the bug
20101029 19:16:27< zookeeper> boucman, okay
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20101029 19:39:38< eleazzaar> zookeeper: yeah, 6 new terrains vs 2 new terrains
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20101029 19:50:52< CIA-85> eleazar * r47269 /trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/maps/05b_Isle_of_the_Damned.map: updating terrain on Isle of the Damned
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20101029 20:15:50< shadowmaster> eleazzaar: don't forget that IotD takes place in the same location as TRoW 17d (Cursed Isle), except in different time periods
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20101029 20:43:14< noy> take care
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20101029 20:48:47< anonymissimus> zookeeper: why does ENABLE_ARMAGEDDON_DRAKE work with [advancefrom] instead of advances_to ? advancefrom is meant to0 be used in UMC only I suppose
20101029 20:52:34< zookeeper> anonymissimus, not sure. maybe it could work by just #ifdefing advances_to and experience instead.
20101029 20:53:15< zookeeper> maybe it's more versatile somehow, like if someone wants to add even more advancements there or something.
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20101029 22:08:04< CIA-85> eleazar * r47270 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/maps/17d_Cursed_Isle.map: make cursed isle match isle of the damned.
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20101029 22:19:23< anonymissimus> zookeeper: yes thats what think too; adding more advancements could be done by adding it to the comma-separated list, or with new #ifdef
20101029 22:20:19< anonymissimus> in any case, the experience settings are not working currently since they're higher than 150
20101029 22:26:10< zookeeper> yep, that part's a bug
20101029 22:26:51< anonymissimus> no I wouldn't call it "bug" - it is the way it is supposed to be
20101029 22:27:07< anonymissimus> its an intentional lack of a feature
20101029 22:27:59< zookeeper> hmmh
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20101029 22:28:18< zookeeper> it's that way because the lowest xp limit is always selected?
20101029 22:28:21< anonymissimus> I never know how much I'm allowed to commit without consulting other devs :P
20101029 22:29:02< anonymissimus> yes; it is to make sure that if there are several experinces for the same base unit there is the one with the lowest xp selected
20101029 22:30:37< anonymissimus> but it wouldn't harm to leave this to the UMC author; if he puts more than one [advancefrom]experience= for the same base unit, there's just one of them chosen, so he should put only one of those into his UMC
20101029 22:31:30< anonymissimus> here's the forum thread btw: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=32033&p=463298#p463298
20101029 22:32:31< zookeeper> well, couldn't we simply pick the lowest xp limit from the [advancefrom]s only and ignore the regular unit type xp limit if there are any [advancefrom]s?
20101029 22:33:29< anonymissimus> yes; thats one variation I think about
20101029 22:41:08< zookeeper> that seems like a reasonable idea unless i'm missing something.
20101029 22:41:39< zookeeper> after all, if you have an [advancefrom] and supply an xp limit, it's not like you want the old unit type xp limit to ever be used
20101029 22:42:08< zookeeper> but picking the lowest one from all the [advancefrom]s seems like a good idea, although even then i'd say that if you have a conflict you're doing something wrong.
20101029 22:44:56< boucman> Elvish_Pillager: around  ?
20101029 22:54:21< zookeeper> boucman, uh, does start_time= have any effect if placed inside a [then] or [else]?
20101029 22:54:49< boucman> hmm, on first guess, it should, yes
20101029 22:54:54< zookeeper> sorry, s/[then]/[if]
20101029 22:55:20< boucman> since animations are expanded before start_time is analyzed
20101029 22:55:31< zookeeper> okay...i just noticed that saurian ambushers don't play at least melee miss sounds.
20101029 22:56:11< zookeeper> (which isn't surprising since all the new animations are usually broken one way or another...)
20101029 22:59:27< boucman> zookeeper: note that start_time will only affect [frame] iirc, you need a sound_start_time to affect sound (not 100% sure, checking that)
20101029 22:59:48< zookeeper> yeah, the lack of that is probably what's breaking it.
20101029 23:00:14< boucman> yes, i just checked, you need a sound_start_time to synchronize sound frames
20101029 23:01:45< zookeeper> want to commit a fix while you're at it? :P it should be sound_start_time=-100
20101029 23:02:15< zookeeper> ideally the macro should take it as an argument though, since the start time depends on the sound.
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20101029 23:50:45< anonymissimus> boucman: one of your last commits crashes MSVC
20101029 23:50:57< boucman> ouch
20101029 23:51:05< boucman> hmm let me check
20101029 23:52:07< boucman> anonymissimus: what file ?
20101029 23:53:04< anonymissimus> I'll provido youn a backtrace
20101029 23:53:05< boucman> (and what commit if you know ?)
20101029 23:53:11< anonymissimus> provide you
20101029 23:53:22< boucman> anonymissimus: wait a sec, do I crash wesnoth or MSVC ?
20101029 23:53:51< anonymissimus> r47267 or 68
20101029 23:54:02< anonymissimus> don't know
20101029 23:54:19< anonymissimus> could be both but you can test that yourself
20101029 23:55:07< anonymissimus> the VS debugger crashes I mean; not VS istsself
20101029 23:56:54< boucman> what do you do to crash the game ?
20101029 23:57:38< anonymissimus> executing wesnoth by startign vs debugger
20101029 23:57:57< boucman> it's ok without vs debugger ?
20101029 23:59:26< anonymissimus> don't know
20101029 23:59:36< boucman> anonymissimus: so, just starting the game ?
20101029 23:59:43< anonymissimus> working on something else with a different built
20101029 23:59:55< boucman> k
20101029 23:59:56< anonymissimus> and building lasts severel minutes
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