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20101004 01:56:54< shadowmaster> it seems that admins don't have access to many functions that I do.
20101004 01:57:26< shadowmaster> namely anything from the wesnoth-forums tree's modifications
20101004 02:00:21< shadowmaster> and the Forum Services group has redundant permissions.
20101004 02:00:26< shadowmaster> now that one is my fault. :p
20101004 02:01:10< shadowmaster> (notably, Forum Services should have all permissions set to NEVER anyway)
20101004 02:08:26< shadowmaster> Gambit: try to post in Staging Area
20101004 02:08:54< Gambit> Done
20101004 02:09:11< shadowmaster> I just dropped TSI, Turuk, yours and mine permissions for it
20101004 02:09:34< shadowmaster> along with a bunch of obsolete phpBB 2-derived permission sets for ANCIENT moderators
20101004 02:10:26< Gambit> "dropped" then how'd I post?
20101004 02:11:03< shadowmaster> because you are using the Shady Test People usergroup's perimission set
20101004 02:11:15< shadowmaster> not the same as the aforementioned users' individual permission sets.
20101004 02:11:25< Gambit> Ah
20101004 02:11:29< shadowmaster> although I'm probably using the Founder override.
20101004 02:11:31< Gambit> Now I get what you're doing.
20101004 02:11:42< shadowmaster> I did post about it two nights ago
20101004 02:11:59< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=31802
20101004 02:12:11< Gambit> Yes, but now I understand it in terms of ZB's ACP
20101004 02:12:39< Gambit> masks, groups, and individual permissions
20101004 02:12:41< Gambit> Fun fun
20101004 02:12:44< shadowmaster> 5 user-based permissionsets remain.
20101004 02:13:02< shadowmaster> those 5 belong to people who've had special restrictions placed over them due to misconduct, so those won't change
20101004 02:13:50< shadowmaster> moderators remaining are only those assigned to Experimental Corner and Staging Area
20101004 02:14:33< Gambit> Having had a similar experience a few months ago http://s1.zetaboards.com/ClanMERC/topic/3101510/1/
20101004 02:14:48< shadowmaster> Forum Moderators are no longer global moderators now
20101004 02:14:58< shadowmaster> Gambit: so check if you can still access the MCP from random forums
20101004 02:15:00< Gambit> The first admin loved making copies of groups with the only distinction being in the name
20101004 02:15:25< Gambit> index, users, art workshop, ideas
20101004 02:15:35< shadowmaster> k
20101004 02:15:55< shadowmaster> now the hardest part begins
20101004 02:16:24< shadowmaster> writing down the specifics of those user-based permission sets in case some are outdated.
20101004 02:16:28< shadowmaster> nah.
20101004 02:16:30< shadowmaster> I'll leave it as is.
20101004 02:17:10< Gambit> The second admin liked to enable all kinds of strange settings
20101004 02:17:19< Gambit> shadowmaster: Flash video avatars were enabled
20101004 02:17:30< shadowmaster> where?
20101004 02:17:33< Gambit> a) flash video avatars even freaking existed
20101004 02:17:39< Gambit> b) he had them turned on 0_0
20101004 02:18:02< Gambit> On merc.echoz.com
20101004 02:18:20< Gambit> Different forum
20101004 02:18:40< shadowmaster> you got me scared for a sec.
20101004 02:19:05< Gambit> Who in their right mind would build flash video avatars into forum software?
20101004 02:19:13< Gambit> That doesn't even make sense.
20101004 02:19:20< Gambit> I assume phpbb does not have that.
20101004 02:19:28< shadowmaster> no, but it does have inline [flash]
20101004 02:19:33< shadowmaster> (we got that disabled)
20101004 02:19:55< shadowmaster> many people elsewhere use that feature for stuff like youtube video links
20101004 02:20:05< Gambit> Yes, and it makes sense there.
20101004 02:20:16< shadowmaster> yes, but it can still be used for cross-site exploits
20101004 02:20:28< shadowmaster> unless you restrict it to some kind of [youtube] tag
20101004 02:20:37< shadowmaster> [insertproviderhere] tags
20101004 02:22:33< shadowmaster> Gambit: are you sure you can still access the ACP from elsewhere?
20101004 02:22:34< shadowmaster> I mean MCP.
20101004 02:25:55< Gambit> yes
20101004 02:26:15< Gambit> shadowmaster: Everywhere
20101004 02:26:16< shadowmaster> it's a moot point anyway since I already fixed the dropped permissions
20101004 02:27:05< Gambit> Ah. Well sorry for the delay. I went to go do the garbage.
20101004 02:30:02< shadowmaster> LordBob's got INVALID permissions
20101004 02:30:06< shadowmaster> gods.
20101004 02:30:23< shadowmaster> Jetrel doesn't really know how to do this job.
20101004 02:30:31< Gambit> "No wonder he hasn't posted any art in a while" [/joke]
20101004 02:31:09< shadowmaster> eh, yes, his absence at the Wesnoth side of things has got me really annoyed.
20101004 02:31:27< Gambit> "Wesnoth side of things" ?
20101004 02:31:31< shadowmaster> yes.
20101004 02:31:34< Gambit> What like he's over at frogatto?
20101004 02:32:02< shadowmaster> *Wesnoth share of the Intertubes
20101004 02:32:08< Gambit> Ah
20101004 02:32:11< shadowmaster> s/Wesnoth/Wesnothian/
20101004 02:39:12< shadowmaster> I wish this cleanup helped with that annoying "need to purge cache twice so that the mods cache is not ignored after changing forum settings" bug
20101004 02:40:56< shadowmaster> so we are done
20101004 02:41:51< shadowmaster> oh, forgot to get rid of Forum Services' special permissions
20101004 02:42:11< shadowmaster> bleh
20101004 02:43:34< shadowmaster> and removed Forum Moderators' user-level permissions
20101004 02:43:43< shadowmaster> those are supposed to come from the Registered Users group anyway
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20101004 02:49:53< Gambit> shadowmaster: The new administrative subforum is gone or were mods not meant to see it?
20101004 02:50:05< shadowmaster> it's gone
20101004 02:50:07< Gambit> oh I see the threads are back in-
20101004 02:50:13< Gambit> k
20101004 02:50:17 * shadowmaster nods
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20101004 03:20:10< shadowmaster> Gambit: Zerovirus's sig
20101004 03:20:13< shadowmaster> what do you think?
20101004 03:20:43< shadowmaster> not about the sig itself, but about Zero's ego, which seems to have gone way too far
20101004 03:21:30< Gambit> wtf
20101004 03:21:39< Mica> shadowmaster: To be honest, I don't really like his work So I dont' see why he has such a big ego. Artists like TSI and such are MUCH better than him, and get work done faster.
20101004 03:21:53< shadowmaster> yes
20101004 03:22:03< Mica> I looked through all his UtBS sprites and they're not that good =\
20101004 03:22:26< Gambit> His signature is strange
20101004 03:22:31< Gambit> And his ego has gotten rather inflated.
20101004 03:22:54< Mica> I wish someone could take him down a few pegs.
20101004 03:22:59< Mica> Wonder if Jetrel would be up to that
20101004 03:23:23< Gambit> his signature also doesn't comply with the signature guidelines that will be active Any Day Now™
20101004 03:24:57< shadowmaster> Gambit: next Sunday AD, to be specific.
20101004 03:25:11< Gambit> Oh you.
20101004 03:25:23< Mica> You could ask him to change it now
20101004 03:25:36< shadowmaster> I'm too lazy for that.
20101004 03:25:46< Mica> lol
20101004 03:25:49< shadowmaster> and Zerovirus will soon complain
20101004 03:26:05< shadowmaster> he  might feel I'm set against him for no reason at all, for no reason at all
20101004 03:27:05< Mica> I think a new rule should be: No over inflated egos
20101004 03:27:39< Gambit> But then where would I hang out? :(
20101004 03:27:59< Gambit> Mica: How about something more easily definable/enforceable :)
20101004 03:28:14< Mica> Lol
20101004 03:28:17< Mica> OK Fine
20101004 03:28:27< shadowmaster> Mica: I reject that proposal
20101004 03:28:31< Mica> No being Zerovirus or having his IP :p
20101004 03:28:36< shadowmaster> mianly because it's not within my abilities to ban myself
20101004 03:28:40< Mica> Lol
20101004 03:28:41< Mica> xD
20101004 03:28:45< Mica> you don't have an over inflated ego though
20101004 03:28:47< Mica> =\
20101004 03:28:52< shadowmaster> how can you tell
20101004 03:29:00< Gambit> shadowmaster: the clock is ticking, and then one day I will direct Zerovirus to reread the critique guidelines
20101004 03:29:11< Mica> I talk to you a lot, I've known you for years
20101004 03:29:19< Mica> You've never acted better than people, you just acted smart
20101004 03:29:26< Mica> Which, is fine, because you are
20101004 03:29:42< Gambit> It's not acting.
20101004 03:29:48< Gambit> He genuinely is better. :awesome:
20101004 03:29:51< Mica> Acted as in, action
20101004 03:29:54< Gambit> Hahaha
20101004 03:29:59< Mica> Not as in pretending
20101004 03:30:01< Mica> :p
20101004 03:30:08< shadowmaster> I'm disappointed at Zerovirus for all this, though. Maybe the whole "working for Espreon and fabi on UtBS" business is what's causing this mess.
20101004 03:30:39< shadowmaster> either that, or I should have kept my mouth shut and not given him the Art Contributor title after Dead Water was mainlined.
20101004 03:31:11< Mica> What did he do for Dead Water?
20101004 03:31:26< shadowmaster> fish
20101004 03:31:33< shadowmaster> he drew fish-tailed people.
20101004 03:31:45< Mica> Mermans?
20101004 03:32:09< shadowmaster> the plural is supposed to be either Mermen (masculine) or Merfolk (neutral)
20101004 03:32:15< shadowmaster> so yeah.
20101004 03:32:35< Gambit> hold these thoughts
20101004 03:32:39 * Gambit is looking up a quote
20101004 03:33:14< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31279&p=451373#p451373
20101004 03:33:41< Mica> lol
20101004 03:34:17< Gambit> shadowmaster: Mermaids?
20101004 03:34:50< shadowmaster> Gambit: Mermen + Mermaids == Merfolk
20101004 03:34:51< Gambit> Or as I like to call them "Manatees"
20101004 03:34:58< Gambit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF-oVbAO0Cs
20101004 03:35:01< Gambit> janebot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF-oVbAO0Cs
20101004 03:35:02< shadowmaster> we aren't talking of the animal
20101004 03:35:03<+janebot> Gambit: title: YouTube - WKUK Bored King
20101004 03:35:22< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yeah I was setting up for the sketch :$
20101004 03:36:06< Gambit> bbiab — dishes
20101004 03:37:49 * shadowmaster stares at an empty plate.
20101004 04:10:22< shadowmaster> esr: what the hell @ 10:10 propaganda video.
20101004 04:10:46< shadowmaster> I am stunned.
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20101004 04:16:11< Mica> I thought it was funny :x
20101004 04:16:38< shadowmaster> it is not.
20101004 04:17:25< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrossesTheLineTwice
20101004 04:17:58< shadowmaster> Mica: although it is possible we're not talking of the same particular video.
20101004 04:18:23< Mica> Where's the video?
20101004 04:18:26< shadowmaster> I'm  talking of the "No Presure" video, which is prime NSFW material
20101004 04:18:30< shadowmaster> which I shall not link here
20101004 04:18:45< Mica> The one where they blow up?
20101004 04:18:49< shadowmaster> yes
20101004 04:18:54< Mica> I thought it was funny
20101004 04:18:55< Mica> xD
20101004 04:19:04< shadowmaster> your sense of humor is disturbing
20101004 04:19:19< Mica> What I find funniest is the reactions, to be hones
20101004 04:19:25< Mica> honest*
20101004 04:19:32< Mica> They mainly ignore that people just blew up
20101004 04:20:31< Mica> And yeah, I can agree that my sense of humor CAN be disturbing. It's not usually, though
20101004 04:20:36< shadowmaster> that's just sick though.
20101004 04:20:51< shadowmaster> especially since this supposedly takes place in the real world.
20101004 04:21:12< Mica> Yeah, it does disturb me a little bit
20101004 04:21:12< shadowmaster> so the Laws of Cartoon Physics don't apply.
20101004 04:21:33< Mica> But I'm not going to be like others who (as one person I saw responded) "we should blow them up and let God deal with them"
20101004 04:21:59< Mica> It should have been done with cartoon people
20101004 04:22:01< Mica> Not real people
20101004 04:22:03< Mica> I'll agree there
20101004 04:22:07< shadowmaster> in a more troperrific note, it's also a blatant case of You Fail Physics Forever
20101004 04:22:18< shadowmaster> stuff doesn't explode like that.
20101004 04:22:36< Mica> That's part of the unrealism/funny part
20101004 04:23:10< shadowmaster> not sure you want to deliberately demonstrate your ignorance of physics when you are trying to convince people to adhere to an environmentalist cause.
20101004 04:23:42< Mica> I think that's dumb to try and get people to their cause though
20101004 04:23:57< Mica> It's like what Apple did when they named the iPad. Just pure idiocy.
20101004 04:24:07< Mica> Or whatever form of idiot is appropriate.
20101004 04:24:09< shadowmaster> what's with that name btw?
20101004 04:24:21< shadowmaster> I don't get the (probably?) double entendre.
20101004 04:24:37< Mica> Wait, you don't understand what's wrong with it, or why they chose it?
20101004 04:25:07< shadowmaster> the first
20101004 04:25:38< Mica> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs
20101004 04:25:45< Mica> That *should* explain it
20101004 04:28:03< Gambit> I like that one too
20101004 04:29:54< shadowmaster> Mica: oh.
20101004 04:37:04< Espreon> Mica: Just be happy that we even have a low-powered IRL mage.
20101004 04:37:26< Gambit> Who?
20101004 04:37:37< Gambit> janebot: 2 Christine O'Donnell
20101004 04:37:37< Espreon> Zerovirus.
20101004 04:37:37<+janebot> Gambit: I dabbled into witchcraft, but I never joined a covent!
20101004 04:38:03< Espreon> To me, anyone who can make something remotely decent in the realm of visual art is a mage.
20101004 04:39:54< Gambit> janebot: You have an extra t in there
20101004 04:39:55<+janebot> Gambit: I refuse to answer that.
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20101004 04:43:41< shadowmaster> Espreon: well, Zero is a Dark Adept then.
20101004 04:43:48 * Espreon chuckles
20101004 04:43:49< shadowmaster> he isn't one of the Good Guys, and that bothers me.
20101004 04:44:06< shadowmaster> I don't want an asshole artist in my crew
20101004 04:44:21< Espreon> Yes... a Chinese Dark Adept...
20101004 04:44:35< shadowmaster> that is not awesome and you know it.
20101004 04:44:56< Espreon> Well, then what do we do?
20101004 04:45:02< shadowmaster> ban him.
20101004 04:45:04< Espreon> Also, what do we do about... the Ageless Era?
20101004 04:45:09< shadowmaster> or demote him from Art Contributors.
20101004 04:45:13< shadowmaster> wtf do I have to do with AE?
20101004 04:45:13< Gambit> Tell him to read the critique guidelines and straighten our
20101004 04:45:16< Gambit> Espreon: KILL IT
20101004 04:45:18< Gambit> KILL IT
20101004 04:45:22< Gambit> IT BREAKS DEFAULT NOW
20101004 04:46:22< Espreon> Gambit: Well, I must discuss it with the others before taking action.
20101004 04:48:58< AI0867> I discussed it with gambit yesterday
20101004 04:49:00< AI0867> sort of
20101004 04:49:29< AI0867> 13:46 < Gambit> I am so sick of ageless era.
20101004 04:49:29< AI0867> 13:47 < Gambit> Apparently it breaks default multiplayer now.
20101004 04:49:29< AI0867> 13:47 < Gambit> It's moved on from preying on other add-ons.
20101004 04:49:29< AI0867> 13:48 < Gambit> It's in the big leagues now.
20101004 04:49:29< AI0867> 13:59  * Gambit starts large anti-Ageless-Era advertising campaign.
20101004 04:49:31< AI0867> 15:32 < AI0867> if it breaks multiplayer, tell people all over #wesnoth-dev this, and get it removed from the add-on server
20101004 04:49:41< AI0867> that's more than 36 hours ago
20101004 04:50:25< Gambit> It seems like pretty much every week we find another thing it breaks
20101004 04:50:47< Gambit> (and of course it only breaks for people who don't have it playing with people who do -_- )
20101004 04:50:59< Gambit> It's almost clever :P
20101004 04:51:10< Gambit> Force everyone to get your add-on
20101004 04:57:11< Mica> In my honest opinion, they should have put a lot more work into keeping their add-on from breaking anything else.
20101004 04:57:15< Mica> (About Ageless Era)
20101004 04:57:25< Mica> That would have been my number one priority if I was doing something like that
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20101004 05:09:59< Gambit> Mica: Exactly
20101004 05:10:17 * Gambit would be embarrassed as hell if he had code that broke other add-ons on the server
20101004 05:10:23< Gambit> Let alone default.
20101004 05:10:29< shadowmaster> indeed
20101004 05:10:32< Gambit> Anymore I won't even put code up that breaks itself.
20101004 05:10:41< Gambit> Hence GEB's removal.
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20101004 07:33:15< Mica> shadowmaster: Did Zerovirus make the 'Citizen' merfolk?
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20101004 07:38:50< shadowmaster> not sure
20101004 07:39:14< shadowmaster> not sure because beetlenaut did the original sprites for DW and I don't know how many of them got updated by Zero
20101004 07:39:49< Mica> Ah
20101004 07:40:41< Mica> shadowmaster: Want to play something on wesnoth? :3?
20101004 07:40:51< shadowmaster> like what?
20101004 07:41:26< Mica> Anything, a survival, maybe LoW, etc etc
20101004 07:41:31< Mica> regular game. Anything
20101004 07:41:33< Mica> ;)
20101004 07:45:36< shadowmaster> it's 1:45 am
20101004 07:45:46< shadowmaster> I don't play to stay around past 3 am
20101004 07:46:23< Mica> What takes an hour?
20101004 07:46:55< shadowmaster> can we play a 1v1?
20101004 07:46:56< shadowmaster> and reload later if necessary
20101004 07:47:34< Mica> OK
20101004 07:48:28< shadowmaster> Mica: I'm in the server nw
20101004 07:48:30< shadowmaster> *now
20101004 07:48:39< Mica> I'm just removing ageless era then I'll be back on
20101004 07:49:11< shadowmaster> k
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20101004 08:39:35< Mica> wesbot: seen Gambit?
20101004 08:39:36<+wesbot> Mica: The person with the nick Gambit last spoke 3h 28m ago.  2h 26m ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-dev with the message: Remote host closed the connection
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20101004 09:59:10<+CIA-18> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * r31e8c89305ad / (4 files in 4 dirs): 
20101004 09:59:10<+CIA-18> Wesnoth-forums: Revert "Add User: apply mod version 1.0.0"
20101004 09:59:10<+CIA-18> Wesnoth-forums: This mod is now obsoleted by the Support Toolkit tool of the same name.
20101004 09:59:10<+CIA-18> Wesnoth-forums: This reverts commit cd92e22790d3a8587f63ebc2ac8c499ab990e0da.
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20101004 10:16:17< zookeeper> what does AE break now?
20101004 10:17:32< zookeeper> it broke grunts and skellies at some point, but he did actually fix those.
20101004 10:24:04< zookeeper> on the other hand, it is ridiculously badly coded.
20101004 10:24:55< zookeeper> among other things it includes 752kb worth of _non-unit_ .cfg files into [+units]
20101004 10:26:11< zookeeper> and then of course it includes all that and the units at top-level as well! brilliant.
20101004 10:39:05< zookeeper> i can't see anything that the version sitting in umc-dev/branches/1.8/ would break
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20101004 13:25:49< Gambit> I'm not sure, but I think "the moral" of today's xkcd might just be that BASIC > Java
20101004 13:35:39< AI0867> er, no
20101004 13:35:48< AI0867> you don't write basic on microcontrollers
20101004 13:35:59< AI0867> that's only slightly less horrible than using java
20101004 13:36:23< AI0867> you use VHDL, assembly or C, depending on the level you're programming at
20101004 13:36:51< fabi> I guess every interpreted language is out of question for mircrocontrollers.
20101004 13:37:26< AI0867> this is the kind of stuff where the chip tends to cost less than one dollar
20101004 13:38:05< AI0867> and if you can get away with a less powerful one, then, on a production run of millions, that still amounts to large amounts of money
20101004 13:38:32< AI0867> plenty of these don't even have enough juice to run a basic interpreter
20101004 13:38:49< AI0867> the C64 had one baked in
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20101004 22:15:31< Mica> thespaceinvader: Nice job with the drake portraits :) They look really cool
20101004 22:15:42< thespaceinvader> thanks Mica
20101004 22:15:50< thespaceinvader> only two to go, but they are by far the most difficult
20101004 22:24:21< Mica> What 2 do you have left?
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20101004 22:35:31< Gambit> thespaceinvader: Then will you make sprites again? ♥
20101004 22:35:37< Gambit> (please? :( )
20101004 22:39:29< Gambit> Fine. $happyness--
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20101004 23:02:52< thespaceinvader> Gambit: i never stopped ;)
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20101004 23:21:43<+CIA-18> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7637 /trunk/Swamplings/ (399 files in 24 dirs): Checked in the 1.9 version of 'Swamplings'.
20101004 23:30:26<+CIA-18> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7638 /branches/1.8/Swamplings/ (395 files in 24 dirs): Checked in the 1.8 version of 'Swamplings'.
20101004 23:36:53<+CIA-18> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7639 /trunk/Kromire/scenarios/ (9 files): K: ran wmllint.
20101004 23:38:11<+CIA-18> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7640 /trunk/Kromire/COPYING: K: set svn:eol-style on a file.
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