--- Log opened Tue Oct 12 00:00:01 2010
--- Day changed Tue Oct 12 2010
20101012 00:00:01< Gambit> brb. switching to laptop
20101012 00:01:46< shadowmaster>  If English isn’t your first language, just do your best, and try to include a version of your post in your native language to allow other forum users to help you in your language.
20101012 00:01:50< shadowmaster> .
20101012 00:02:15< shadowmaster> Overall I think this is ready to be moved to Moderators'
20101012 00:02:59< shadowmaster> other than the BLAH FIXME at the top
20101012 00:06:53< Gambit> shadowmaster: do you have anything bad to say about openssh-server ?
20101012 00:07:04< Gambit> I just set it up on my desktop and it seems horridly insecure
20101012 00:07:14< Gambit> I only needed to know my IP and my password
20101012 00:07:17< shadowmaster> no, why?
20101012 00:07:23< shadowmaster> insecure in what terms?
20101012 00:07:31< shadowmaster> ah
20101012 00:07:33< shadowmaster> configure it
20101012 00:07:35< Gambit> Insecure in that I only needed an IP and password
20101012 00:07:45< shadowmaster> man sshd_config
20101012 00:08:13< shadowmaster> edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config
20101012 00:08:50< shadowmaster> I got this in there, for example:
20101012 00:08:53< shadowmaster> # Change to no to disable tunnelled clear text passwords
20101012 00:08:53< shadowmaster> PasswordAuthentication no
20101012 00:09:04< shadowmaster> RSAAuthentication yes
20101012 00:09:04< shadowmaster> PubkeyAuthentication yes
20101012 00:09:26< shadowmaster> so if I wanted to loginto my laptop via SSH, I'd need to have a correct key pair in the remote machine
20101012 00:09:35< shadowmaster> much safer than passwords
20101012 00:15:04< shadowmaster> alternatively, set up a firewall and block port 22
20101012 00:15:24< Gambit> how does one get the key from one computer to another?
20101012 00:15:31< Gambit> Just copy them onto a usb drive?
20101012 00:17:08< Gambit> actually I guess since I'm logged in right now I could copy them
20101012 00:17:26< shadowmaster> you generate a key on the target computer.
20101012 00:17:34< Gambit> ah
20101012 00:17:52< Gambit> Actually not "Ah" that makes even lesss sense to me :(
20101012 00:17:54 * Gambit googles
20101012 00:17:58< shadowmaster> then you add the public key part of the pair to your authorized_keys file in the original computer
20101012 00:18:04< shadowmaster> you generate key pairs using ssh-keygen
20101012 00:18:13< shadowmaster> just like you do for Wesnoth
20101012 00:18:40< shadowmaster> but be careful not to overwrite your key pair for the Wesnoth project.
20101012 00:18:49< shadowmaster> you lose the private key, you lose the ability to use the key pair
20101012 00:19:02< Gambit> 0_0
20101012 00:19:50< shadowmaster> same if you lose the public key, anyway.
20101012 00:20:16< shadowmaster> if such a thing happened you'd then have to register a new public key with gna.org, etc.
20101012 00:20:41< shadowmaster> I advise you get familiarized with the concept of key pair too.
20101012 00:20:45< shadowmaster> there is a very important difference between public and private keys.
20101012 00:21:10< Gambit> the public key is the one you share
20101012 00:21:16< Gambit> ?
20101012 00:21:20< shadowmaster> yes
20101012 00:21:30< Gambit> And the private key is...
20101012 00:21:33< shadowmaster> and NOBODY should ever get access to your privat ekey
20101012 00:21:36< shadowmaster> NOBODY.
20101012 00:21:37< Gambit> The one the public key gets matched against?
20101012 00:21:59< shadowmaster> it's more complicated than that.
20101012 00:22:11< Gambit> (tm)
20101012 00:22:14< shadowmaster> and that's really not correct either.
20101012 00:23:10< Gambit> okay so generate new key with a different name than what I used for wesnoth, copy .pub file to my laptop, disable plaintext passwords, and restart sshd process?
20101012 00:26:06< shadowmaster> uh.
20101012 00:26:15< shadowmaster> what's your target machine?
20101012 00:26:21< Gambit> my desktop
20101012 00:26:34< Gambit> Which I often get pushed off of by people begging to play the ps3
20101012 00:26:36< shadowmaster> I mean.
20101012 00:26:37< shadowmaster> what's the sshd machine?
20101012 00:26:42< Gambit> My desktop
20101012 00:26:51< shadowmaster> generate a ssh key on your laptop?
20101012 00:27:02< Gambit> ?
20101012 00:27:14< shadowmaster> your laptop is the client.
20101012 00:27:35< shadowmaster> so you'd usually want to generate the key pair on the client machine, and then add the public bit to the authorized_keys on the server running the sshd
20101012 00:27:38< Gambit> And then copy the .pub file to the desktop?
20101012 00:27:44< Gambit> ah
20101012 00:28:05< shadowmaster> it's more like "append the .pub to authorized_keys on the sshd machine", but yes, something like that
20101012 00:30:13< shadowmaster> oh, moved the new guidelines draft to Moderators' btw
20101012 00:31:18< Gambit> too bad I can't borrow my desktop's cookies
20101012 00:31:34< Gambit> ideally I'd love remote desktop but that technology sucks apparently
20101012 00:41:01< Gambit> even worse in kde
20101012 00:42:32< shadowmaster> disable compositing
20101012 00:43:00< Gambit> Yes
20101012 00:43:09< shadowmaster> otherwise it might be related to the way Qt4 communicates with the X server
20101012 00:43:23< shadowmaster> which may be related to a certain regression I'm tracking in the radeon DDX
20101012 00:44:01 * shadowmaster loves working with driver devs on testing stuff :P
20101012 00:46:03< Gambit> regression? So it used to work?
20101012 00:46:10< shadowmaster> no, something else
20101012 00:46:24< shadowmaster> it's something else that we suspect is a Qt4-specific quirk
20101012 00:47:13< shadowmaster> namely, rendering of bitmapped fonts causing huge slowdown at the X11 EXA layer, apparently because of drawing glyphs pixel by pixel instead of drawing polygons
20101012 00:47:47< shadowmaster> now define "doesn't work" there
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20101012 00:48:26< shadowmaster> (note: the aforementioned is a regression present only in the most recent single version of the DDX)
20101012 00:48:43< Gambit> DDX?
20101012 00:48:58< shadowmaster> Device Dependent X
20101012 00:49:15< shadowmaster> i.e. the backend driver such as fglrx, radeon, i810, fbdev, etc.
20101012 00:49:47< Gambit> yeah it sucks equally in fglrx and radeon
20101012 00:50:19< shadowmaster> it's called like that because there can be other backends for X.
20101012 00:50:41< shadowmaster> for example, xephyr servers use a X window to serve a nested graphics server in it.
20101012 00:51:00< shadowmaster> it's also possible to tunnel X11 over SSH
20101012 00:51:12< Gambit> it does work better remoting to the laptop from the desktop, but that isn't helpful at all
20101012 00:53:10< Gambit> [18:50:55] <shadowmaster> it's also possible to tunnel X11 over SSH
20101012 00:53:15< Gambit> is that... graphical?
20101012 00:53:26< shadowmaster> uh, yes.
20101012 00:53:47< shadowmaster> but that's probably what you have attempted already, except without the SSH part, thus not as secure as SSH
20101012 00:54:08 * Gambit using VNC atm
20101012 00:54:14< shadowmaster> anyway, tunneling X11 is out of my scope :3
20101012 00:54:45< Gambit> :s
20101012 00:54:49< Gambit> Maybe that's not why I've tried then
20101012 00:55:02< Gambit> I'm using a program called vinagre
20101012 00:55:06< Gambit> and krfb on kde
20101012 00:55:21< Gambit> and something on gnome
20101012 00:55:57< Gambit> woo 3 bit color
20101012 00:56:35< Gambit> Yeah this is useless
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20101012 02:20:07< shadowmaster> I don't quite get used to you guys going away one hour later than I expect. Damn DST.
20101012 02:20:23< shadowmaster> Gambit: watching you quit last night past 12 am was particularly jarring
20101012 02:20:32< shadowmaster> *near 1 am
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20101012 02:25:30< Gambit> Yeah it'll suck till nov 11
20101012 03:20:22<+CIA-35> rei2: shadowm * r11cb1e91494c /modules/ctcps/00_Basic.inc.pl: Introduce some example CTCP ACTION handlers
20101012 03:20:32<+CIA-35> rei2: shadowm * r35fc8f31f282 /rei2.pl: Implement the basics of CTCP handling
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20101012 04:10:45< un214> just published new Story of Wose
20101012 04:32:51<+CIA-35> wesnoth-umc-dev: un214 * r7664 /branches/1.8/Story_of_Wose/ (changelog dist/VERSION): 0.7.4
20101012 04:34:19<+CIA-35> wesnoth-umc-dev: un214 * r7665 /tags/1.8/Story_of_Wose/0.7.4/: Tag for release 0.7.4
20101012 04:37:04< un214> CIS is 40 odd minutes slow today
20101012 04:37:09< un214> CIA
20101012 04:38:38< Gambit> The confederacy of independent systems is also slow.
20101012 04:39:27 * un214 pokes Gambit's belly
20101012 04:41:47< Gambit> It's true though. Had General Greivous arrived at Utapau just 40 minutes sooner, they probably would have won the clone wars.
20101012 04:42:48< un214> oh Star Wars
20101012 04:42:58< un214> I was having trouble placing the reference
20101012 04:58:53< shadowmaster> Gambit: isn't it Grievous?
20101012 04:59:37< Gambit> No. I before E except after C and in the names of evil robot generals.
20101012 05:00:21< shadowmaster> [citation needed]
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20101012 14:24:57<+CIA-35> rei2: shadowm * r2d99934d4692 /lib/Rei2/Wtf.pm: Typo fix
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20101012 14:40:59< Gambit> timotei: can you do me a favor and tell janebot "janebot: !check-auth" here in this channel? Thanks
20101012 14:41:14< timotei> janebot: !check-auth
20101012 14:41:15<+janebot> timotei: Admin: no | Staff:  yes | Channels: timotei|(#wesnoth.*)
20101012 14:41:26< timotei> hmm..
20101012 14:41:45< timotei> the channels thingy is wrong a bit
20101012 14:42:14< Gambit> timotei: Why's that?
20101012 14:42:43< Gambit> I mean... why's it a bit wrong?
20101012 14:45:05< timotei> I have 7 channels open. and only 2 are #wesnoth.
20101012 14:45:14< Gambit> Rather than wesnoth developers being global staff, they can now use the staff commands on themselves, and o-
20101012 14:45:16< Gambit> Not what that means :P
20101012 14:45:23< Gambit> That's the channels you're staff on
20101012 14:45:56< Gambit> any channel matching timotei or #wesnoth.*
20101012 14:46:07< Gambit> actually your name should be in parenthesis I think
20101012 14:46:29< Gambit> And by staff I'm referring to janebot's staff commands
20101012 14:46:34< Gambit> like !opme and !tell and !do
20101012 14:46:34< timotei> and no |  thingy between the name and channels
20101012 14:46:48< Gambit> That's an OR
20101012 14:46:53< Gambit> (it's a regular expression)
20101012 14:47:00< timotei> wel...
20101012 14:47:03< timotei> I'm not saying that
20101012 14:47:12< timotei> I'm saying that's the wrong place to put an OR
20101012 14:47:23< Gambit> yeah
20101012 14:47:25< timotei> because ... I don't see how you do an OR between a nickname and channels :P
20101012 14:47:38< timotei> Channels: #wesnoth.* , [etc]
20101012 14:47:39< timotei> that's it
20101012 14:47:41< timotei> sorry
20101012 14:47:43< Gambit> The nickname would be a query
20101012 14:47:51< timotei> Channels: #wesnoth.* [, etc]
20101012 14:47:58< timotei> !tell
20101012 14:48:01< timotei> !opme
20101012 14:48:02< Gambit> the target, or who she's speaking to, should match #wesnoth.*, or be you
20101012 14:48:11< Gambit> so you could "!tell timotei Hello"
20101012 14:48:19< Gambit> or "!tell #wesnoth-offtopic Hello"
20101012 14:48:27< timotei> !tell ##shadwm >:)
20101012 14:48:28< Gambit> But you couldn't "!tell bobmyuncle Hello"
20101012 14:48:37< timotei> !tell ##shadwm gaga
20101012 14:48:40< timotei> oh yeah
20101012 14:48:44< timotei> forgot I need to query him
20101012 14:48:47< Gambit> timotei: That channel's a secret btw :P
20101012 14:49:00< Gambit> Good thing you spelled it wrong xD
20101012 14:49:19< Gambit> I'm sure nobody will figure out there's a missing O and figure out where to put it though.
20101012 14:49:21< Gambit> janebot: Right?
20101012 14:49:22<+janebot> Gambit: THE GENTLEMAN IS WRONG!
20101012 14:49:29< timotei> !tell ##shadwom gaga
20101012 14:49:32< timotei> janebot: !tell ##shadwom gaga
20101012 14:49:33<+janebot> timotei: Sorry. You don't have permission to do that in ##shadwom.
20101012 14:49:51< Gambit> Because that's not you, and it's not #wesnoth.*
20101012 14:49:53< timotei> janebot: ok, I understand you
20101012 14:49:54<+janebot> timotei: I refuse to answer that.
20101012 14:50:00< timotei> janebot: didn't ask anything!
20101012 14:50:01<+janebot> timotei: I refuse to answer that.
20101012 14:50:07< timotei> Gambit: ditch him, please
20101012 14:50:14< timotei> Gambit: answer to what lol?:P
20101012 14:50:27< Gambit> s/answer/respond to/ig;
20101012 14:50:35< timotei> yeah:P
20101012 14:51:29< Gambit> janebot: !check-auth
20101012 14:51:30<+janebot> Gambit: Admin: yes | Staff:  yes | Channels: (.+)
20101012 14:52:08< Gambit> janebot: !tell timotei I can do any channel or nick :O
20101012 14:52:34< Gambit> So can shadowmaster in case the bot goes haywire whilst I'm not here or some other thing
20101012 14:52:45< timotei> janebot: !check-auth
20101012 14:52:45<+janebot> timotei: Admin: no | Staff:  yes | Channels: (timotei)|(#wesnoth.*)
20101012 14:52:59< timotei> janebot: why I'm NOT admin but gambit is?
20101012 14:53:00<+janebot> timotei: I refuse to answer that.
20101012 14:53:06< Gambit> The frogatto guys (jetrel and sirp and crimson_penquin) can do #wesnoth.* and #frogatto.*
20101012 14:53:26< Gambit> timotei: Because admins can make her QUIT D:
20101012 14:53:32< Gambit> Nobody has that except me.
20101012 14:53:40< Gambit> Not even janebot is an admin for janebot.
20101012 14:53:48< Gambit> I think...
20101012 14:54:21< timotei> lol
20101012 14:54:22< timotei> :))
20101012 14:54:43< timotei> janebot: !tell janebot !check-auth
20101012 14:54:44<+janebot> timotei: Sorry. You don't have permission to do that in janebot.
20101012 14:55:17< Gambit> timotei: You can't query yourself anyway :s
20101012 14:55:23< Gambit> wth?
20101012 14:56:42< Gambit> anyway g2g for class
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