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LOOK ITS A COOKIE THERE, RIGHT THERE *runs away*] 20101018 17:36:28< dougmencken> hi; how must I report the segfault? (the >10th one) 20101018 17:38:48-!- KingDread [~DreadKnig@79.117.59.253] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 17:41:50< Gambit> dougmencken: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=25660 20101018 17:42:13< Gambit> I think they'd like a backtrace and check at http://bugs.wesnoth.org/ to see if it's already been reported or not 20101018 17:42:23< Gambit> (and exact steps to reproduce the segfault) 20101018 17:42:38-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20101018 17:42:56< dougmencken> Gambit: can "the exact steps" might be 4-hour saved replay? 20101018 17:43:08< Gambit> Probably 20101018 17:43:24< dougmencken> it is only after 3-4 hours of playing; any shorter game is okay 20101018 17:43:47< Gambit> So the replay is four hours long? 20101018 17:44:18-!- HosenJack [~FYMLIFYM@xdsl-87-78-183-251.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20101018 17:44:21< dougmencken> Gambit: about 4 hours; I hope it's on your site 20101018 17:44:23< Gambit> dougmencken: How much ram do you have on your machine? 20101018 17:44:32< dougmencken> Gambit: 768 MiB 20101018 17:44:37< Gambit> And what were you playing? 20101018 17:44:42< Gambit> Any special add-on, or just default? 20101018 17:44:52< dougmencken> Gambit: random map, default 20101018 17:44:56< Gambit> Because it might be a memory thing; the savegame gets so large that it crashes. 20101018 17:45:08< Gambit> Oh nevermind. Default shouldn't make save games that big. 20101018 17:45:13< dougmencken> oh, so 768 is not enough? 20101018 17:45:43< Gambit> How much is free when you play wesnoth? 20101018 17:46:35 * dougmencken is now re-building the whole toolchain (it lasts more than 1 day), so he can try to run wesnoth now, yes 20101018 17:47:03< dougmencken> and how to check free memory? cat /proc/meminfo? 20101018 17:47:28< Gambit> I'm a gui person myself (system monitor) so I don't know. 20101018 17:47:44< Gambit> And the memory thing is just a hunch because your problem is time based. 20101018 17:48:06< dougmencken> Gambit: yep, on replay, anything from turn 10 is wrong 20101018 17:48:17< Gambit> ? 20101018 17:48:37< dougmencken> units which were killed still present in replay 20101018 17:48:42< dougmencken> i.e. replay != game 20101018 17:49:31< hylje> DESYNC ALERT 20101018 17:49:33 * dougmencken wonders might it be the reason I'm on Big Endian machine 20101018 17:52:01-!- KingDread is now known as DreadKnight 20101018 17:52:16-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@79.117.59.253] has quit [Changing host] 20101018 17:52:16-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 17:55:57< Gambit> You might try turning off auto-saves, replays, and the like 20101018 17:56:15< dougmencken> Gambit: how to? 20101018 17:56:21< Gambit> In the preferences menu. 20101018 17:56:35< dougmencken> btw, on your server, it is done automatically 20101018 17:56:49< Gambit> Yes, but on your machine it wouldn't. 20101018 17:57:03< dougmencken> okay 20101018 17:57:20< Gambit> IIUC Wesnoth stores the entire game in memory. The longer the game goes, the more space that needs. 20101018 17:57:42< dougmencken> Gambit: but which game can tkae >768? 20101018 17:57:49< Gambit> Every variable, at every turn past and present is in memory until you save and quit. I'm not sure what happens if you reload an old save. 20101018 17:57:55< Gambit> dougmencken: But you don't have 768. 20101018 17:58:01< Gambit> Your system and other programs take some of that. 20101018 17:58:04< Gambit> Probably more than half. 20101018 17:58:48< dougmencken> h, googled 'free' comand 20101018 17:59:08< dougmencken> free: 3967308 20101018 17:59:14< Gambit> I once intentionally got the game to 2gb of memory and it crashed when I quit that game. I didn't have time to run my machine totally out of memory though. 20101018 17:59:47< Gambit> So that's 396mb. I'm not sure if a four hour default game could take that much or not. 20101018 17:59:57< Gambit> dougmencken: How many players? 20101018 18:00:05< dougmencken> oh, that was with swap 9"virtual memory" as it is called in Mac OS), real is 400012 20101018 18:00:19< dougmencken> Gambit: 8 players, then two droids 20101018 18:00:39< dougmencken> i.e. 6 humans, 2 AI after 9th turn 20101018 18:00:47< Gambit> And how big was the map? 20101018 18:00:56< dougmencken> Gambit: 60x80 20101018 18:01:06< Gambit> So 10 players for four hours on a good sized map. I guess it's possible. 20101018 18:01:20< Gambit> But I am no expert on these sorts of things. 20101018 18:01:25< dougmencken> Gambit: possible for memory overflow? 20101018 18:01:29< Gambit> Hopefully one will see this. 20101018 18:01:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: Who might we poke for this? 20101018 18:02:24< shadowmaster> bug report 20101018 18:04:30< dougmencken> shadowmaster: might I build some "debug" wesnoth? 20101018 18:06:09< Gambit> [12:00:05] oh, that was with swap 9"virtual memory" as it is called in Mac OS), real is 400012 20101018 18:06:13< Gambit> Is that number correct? 20101018 18:06:19< Gambit> That's only 40mb 20101018 18:06:30< dougmencken> Gambit: it is 400 ;) 20101018 18:07:32< Gambit> Ah indeed. 20101018 18:09:12-!- VurtualRuler98 [~VistaRule@74.206.62.26] has quit [] 20101018 18:09:26< dougmencken> may I ask? which platfroms do you support? just lot of guys told me that linux@powerpc is not supprted 20101018 18:09:41< Gambit> Dunno 20101018 18:09:58< Gambit> Didn't you ask that here before and get told no we didn't support your exotic system? 20101018 18:10:17< dougmencken> Gambit: no 20101018 18:10:39-!- gamefreak264 [~gamefreak@nc-71-50-115-116.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 18:10:58< dougmencken> I'm sure the real power of free software is that it not this-os-only and this-cpu-arch-only 20101018 18:11:37-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 18:12:15-!- VurtualRuler98 [~VistaRule@74.206.62.26] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 18:14:34< vcap> at any given time a process will use only a little portion of its address space, the rest can be swapped-out, or simply forgotten if it's clean pages (iow: if it originally come from disk and was not modified). so really, to get out-of-memory with 768Mb you need to allocate a lot more than 768Mb. 20101018 18:18:15< vcap> anyway, if it is indeed an OOM, it will show conspiciously in kernel.log 20101018 18:18:55< dougmencken> OOM? kernel.log? 20101018 18:20:29< vcap> oom -> "out of memory" condition. kernel.log -> /var/log/kernel.log, or similar. 20101018 18:22:54-!- gamefreak264 [~gamefreak@nc-71-50-115-116.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20101018 18:22:58< dougmencken> vcap: I suppose I do nedd "debug verson" of wesnoth; I can build any package with any configure oprions 20101018 18:23:30< dougmencken> -e s/edd/eed/ -e s/rion/tion/ 20101018 18:23:32-!- gamefreak264 [~gamefreak@nc-71-50-115-116.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 18:24:02-!- Nissarin [~nissarin@91.202.192.6] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 18:31:38< vcap> dougmencken: "scons build=debug", iirc. then you can either launch wesnoth from gdb, or turn coredump on. that will give you a backtrace with nice symbolic names for functions instead of (unusable) memory addresses. 20101018 18:53:35-!- joo [~joo@unaffiliated/joo] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 18:55:14-!- gamefreak264 [~gamefreak@nc-71-50-115-116.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20101018 18:56:14-!- gamefreak264 [~gamefreak@nc-71-50-115-116.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 18:57:29-!- daglees [~belvedere@unaffiliated/daglees] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 19:01:15-!- KingDread [~DreadKnig@79.117.57.43] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 19:01:18-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20101018 19:09:46-!- DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.113.224] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 19:18:05-!- lizard_r1 [~Rolf@62.198.26.215] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 19:19:55-!- lizard_r [~Rolf@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/lizard] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20101018 19:20:02< Soliton> i guess i'm missing something but are we talking about a crash or an out of sync or both? 20101018 19:26:20< vcap> Soliton: afaik, it starts with "17:36 < dougmencken> hi; how must I report the segfault? (the >10th one)" 20101018 19:27:27< vcap> Soliton: but i probably lack some context. 20101018 19:27:58< Soliton> yeah, i have no idea what that refers to. 20101018 19:38:32-!- lizard_r1 [~Rolf@62.198.26.215] has left #wesnoth [] 20101018 19:59:39< shadowmaster> /53 20101018 20:20:03-!- Feufochmar [~Feufochma@a6401-0492902376.pck.nerim.net] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 20:28:06-!- gamefreak264 [~gamefreak@nc-71-50-115-116.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20101018 20:28:25-!- gamefreak264 [~gamefreak@nc-71-50-115-116.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 20:32:41-!- daglees [~belvedere@unaffiliated/daglees] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20101018 20:41:07-!- DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20101018 20:49:55-!- gamefreak264 [~gamefreak@nc-71-50-115-116.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20101018 20:49:55-!- johndh [~johndh@adsl-85-32-130.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 21:11:01-!- ancestral [~ancestral@97-127-12-139.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 21:14:01-!- KingDread [~DreadKnig@79.117.57.43] has quit [Quit: #AncientBeast - Free Fantasy MO TBS RPG] 20101018 21:29:19-!- miudyk [Mateusz@pawel2.net.autocom.pl] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 21:44:10-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@79.117.57.43] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 21:44:10-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@79.117.57.43] has quit [Changing host] 20101018 21:44:10-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 21:51:17-!- joo [~joo@unaffiliated/joo] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 20101018 21:56:11-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20101018 22:02:34-!- ettin [~jorda@wesnoth/developer/ettin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20101018 22:05:57-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 22:19:01-!- SpoOkyMagician [~chatzilla@74-138-202-211.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 22:27:41-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20101018 22:27:58-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 22:28:15-!- johndh [~johndh@adsl-85-32-130.mco.bellsouth.net] has left #wesnoth ["Leaving"] 20101018 22:32:40-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20101018 22:42:45-!- MeccaGod [~majs@h14n4fls31o279.telia.com] has quit [] 20101018 22:48:48-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@dhip-164.foss.residences.colby.edu] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 23:01:59-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20101018 23:02:31-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@dhip-164.foss.residences.colby.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20101018 23:11:56-!- lobby [~wesnoth@wesnoth/bot/lobby] has joined #wesnoth 20101018 23:11:56-!- Topic for #wesnoth: Wesnoth User Channel | http://www.wesnoth.org/ | Social channel: #wesnoth-offtopic | Latest stable version: 1.8.5 | Latest development version: 1.9.1 | Public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! 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