--- Log opened Mon Nov 01 00:00:44 2010
20101101 00:24:30< ancestral> Just a heads up: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/10/31/last-chance-to-get-vlc-for-iphone-ipad-likely-to-be-pulled-from-app-store/
20101101 00:26:04< stikonas> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/vlc-enforcement
20101101 00:26:24< stikonas> who needs rumors...
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20101101 00:28:37< stikonas> this topic will probably crop up again and again
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20101101 00:49:23< [Relic]> Hello :)
20101101 01:15:37-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 171 bugs, 298 feature requests, 15 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20101101 01:50:16 * Jetrel is trying to decide if the current fire dragon graphics should get repurposed as a wyvern, or just deleted.
20101101 01:50:50< Jetrel> Because they are, after all, quite ugly.
20101101 01:51:13< Espreon> Meh, as long as it's temporary...
20101101 01:53:30< Gambit> I hate to see monster graphics leave the game :(
20101101 01:54:30< Jetrel> This is true.
20101101 01:54:57< Jetrel> The catch is, sooner or later, they, themselves, would need an invasive cleanup.
20101101 01:55:34< Jetrel> Since guido was... just completely fucking up his perspective on them. :|
20101101 01:57:00< Jetrel> ..
20101101 01:57:15< Jetrel> Honestly, I've just looked them over, and they're *really* not worth keeping.
20101101 01:58:39< Jetrel> The animations are complete shit, and the base frame isn't terribly good either.
20101101 01:59:36< Jetrel> Gambit:  but don't worry - I'm very much in favor of making new monsters in the future. :)
20101101 01:59:49< Jetrel> In fact, that'll be one of the primary "endgame" additions to wesnoth.
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20101101 02:15:06< CIA-85> jetryl * r47349 /trunk/data/core/ (16 files in 2 dirs): New base frame for the dragon, removed the bad animations we have for the old one, as there's no purpose in keeping them.
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20101101 03:53:48< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r47350 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/campaign_dialog.cfg: Remove redundant textdomain binding
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20101101 04:36:26< CIA-85> espreon * r47351 /trunk/ (data/lua/wml-tags.lua src/scripting/lua.cpp): 'hilight' -> 'highlight' in [select_unit]-related code.
20101101 04:36:56< CIA-85> espreon * r47352 /trunk/src/widgets/progressbar.cpp: Fixed a typo in a comment.
20101101 04:37:27< shadowmaster> Espreon: ....
20101101 04:37:53< Gambit> Wow.
20101101 04:38:17< shadowmaster> be thankful that there's been no release yet or your commit would be sitting upside-down in my git repository at this very moment.
20101101 04:38:18< Espreon> shadowmaster: I don't care if they're pronounced the same. It's wrong as hell.
20101101 04:38:25 * Gambit high fives Espreon
20101101 04:38:45< shadowmaster> and by upside-down I mean reversed, or in other words, reverted.
20101101 04:38:51< Gambit> Stick to your guns man.
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20101101 04:39:41< ancestral> Hehe
20101101 04:39:52 * shadowmaster is not amused.
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20101101 04:59:03< CIA-85> ai0867 * r47353 /trunk/src/unit_types.cpp: Make the [advancefrom] experience debug messages a bit more accurate
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20101101 07:54:41< Jetrel> Geez.  It's like an entire commit of mine didn't make it into 1.9.1.
20101101 07:54:54< Jetrel> No wonder the was a bug report on the saurians.
20101101 07:54:58< Jetrel> s/the/there
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20101101 08:10:11< CIA-85> jetryl * r47354 /trunk/data/core/images/units/saurians/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Added in a few missing saurian frames.
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20101101 08:22:35< CIA-85> jetryl * r47355 /trunk/data/core/images/units/saurians/ (32 files in 4 dirs): Added missing death animation frames for the saurians.
20101101 08:29:04< Jetrel> zookeeper:  as you may have been aware, a couple saurian frames slipped through the cracks and didn't get committed.  I've just done the complete audit, though, so neither you nor tsi need to deal with it.
20101101 08:50:04< zookeeper> Jetrel, great
20101101 08:50:38< Jetrel> zookeeper:  there is only one bug that's confounding me, and that's the timing on the "visible display of HP loss"
20101101 08:50:53< zookeeper> yeah, TSI has screwed that up on pretty much every anim he has committed
20101101 08:51:03< Jetrel> Giving that animation a start time of -600 isn't working, though.
20101101 08:52:13< Jetrel> :{|>  I'm going to conveniently cease to care, at this point.
20101101 08:52:30< zookeeper> the damage flash and floating HP happens at time 0
20101101 08:52:37< Jetrel> Yeah.
20101101 08:53:32< Jetrel> Hence, making the animation start at -450 should give it time to play through before it hits the player.  It doesn't.
20101101 08:54:53 * zookeeper shrugs
20101101 08:54:56< zookeeper> someone screwed something up.
20101101 08:55:03< Jetrel> So anyways, I'm not gonna dick with it, because, given the horrendous launch time of wesnoth, and the very real possibility this is an engine bug - I could easily spends hours to achieve nothing.
20101101 08:55:09< zookeeper> and didn't test properly
20101101 08:55:42< zookeeper> i've tried to stop caring about the animations a while ago already
20101101 08:56:06< Jetrel> I swear, though, that is one night-and-day difference between wesnoth and frogatto - the latter's near-instantaneous launching.
20101101 08:56:14< zookeeper> yep
20101101 08:57:09< zookeeper> anyway, i don't even know who wrote those macros in question but i don't want to start fixing them just because someone didn't bother to look at what they were doing
20101101 08:57:27 * zookeeper is in an evidently bad mood
20101101 08:57:40< Jetrel> I wrote the macros.  Those macros contain correct code.
20101101 08:57:59< Jetrel> I don't expect you to fix this; this looks like an engine bug.
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20101101 08:59:41< zookeeper> possible. maybe start_time doesn't work in [if]s after all.
20101101 09:00:03< zookeeper> would be trivial to just move it out of them...
20101101 09:00:09 * zookeeper goes afk for several hours
20101101 09:00:39< Jetrel> It's outside an [if]
20101101 09:01:02< Jetrel> anwyays, bedtime here.
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20101101 09:28:45< CIA-85> espreon * r47356 /trunk/data/core/images/units/saurians/ (31 files in 4 dirs): Ran umcpropfix.
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20101101 11:52:33< CIA-85> silene * r47357 /trunk/data/core/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Fixed saurian throw animations, since Jetryl has ceased to care about them.
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20101101 13:26:57< Ivanovic> hi
20101101 13:33:30< Ivanovic> wesbot: seen noy
20101101 13:33:30< wesbot> Ivanovic: The person with the nick noy last spoke 2d 17h ago.  1d 9h ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Quit: noy
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20101101 14:10:51< CIA-85> ivanovic * r47358 /trunk/ (8 files in 8 dirs): updated Lithuanian and Vietnamese translation
20101101 14:10:57< CIA-85> ivanovic * r47359 /branches/1.8/ (3 files in 3 dirs): updated Vietnamese translation
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20101101 16:09:11< Soliton> dev server was stuck for 4 days without anyone noticing... guess i need to write a script to kill it when it's stuck sometime...
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20101101 16:14:58< Ivanovic> Soliton: yeah, makes sense to have
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20101101 16:46:33< FAAB> Hi Crab_, is there a way to use [modify_ai] to modify the default AI by adding some lua logic ?
20101101 16:47:04< Crab_> FAAB: afair, it was possible
20101101 16:47:24< FAAB> seems to me, lua AI requires using [engine] inside an [ai] tag that creates an new AI, hence preventing modifications to the default AI
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20101101 17:06:14< silene> Crab_: i don't think it is possible, nobody ever succeeded
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20101101 17:16:42< Crab_> silene: I'll take a look at it, if there's not a way to do that, then it's my bug and I'll need to fix it.
20101101 17:19:53< FAAB> Crab_: do both of you have a parallel discussion or is it an answer to my question?
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20101101 17:23:13< Crab_> FAAB: it's the answer to your question
20101101 17:23:52< Crab_> FAAB: so, I'll take a look and to to get some sample code or commit fixes if they are needed.
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20101101 17:24:37< FAAB> ok, thanks
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20101101 19:33:00< CIA-85> silene * r47360 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: Removed unused variable dynamic_wml_actions.
20101101 19:33:03< CIA-85> silene * r47361 /trunk/src/ (game_events.cpp scripting/lua.cpp scripting/lua.hpp): Added a Lua on_event callback.
20101101 19:33:05< CIA-85> silene * r47362 /trunk/data/lua/wml/items.lua: Added a public interface for functions handling WML tile overlays.
20101101 19:33:06< CIA-85> silene * r47363 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: Exercisized public functions for overlays by making the display of attack ranges instant.
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20101101 19:43:47< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20101101 20:07:07< zookeeper> silene, btw, i consider it a bug that redrawing occurs immediately after placing an [item]... makes it impossible to place lots of them seemingly simultaneously with WML only.
20101101 20:08:59< silene> agreed, unfortunately i'm sure there is lot of mainline and umc content out there that doesn't perform a [redraw] after [item] and which would get broken by such a change
20101101 20:10:58< Soliton> add a redraw key to item? having the default redraw immediately seems fine to me.
20101101 20:12:44< zookeeper> yeah, a redraw key would be nice for [item] (probably [label] too)
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20101101 20:23:30< silene> zookeeper: for [label], it doesn't make sense (from an implementation point of view), unless the engine is heavily modified
20101101 20:24:23< zookeeper> okay
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20101101 20:57:08< ancestral> AI0867: Could it be possible to make arrays in the JSON export for tags with multiple values, such as "advances_to" or "die_sound"?
20101101 20:57:29< ancestral> I think I can slice them by comma so it's not imperative
20101101 20:59:39< fabi> hello
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20101101 21:11:04< ancestral> Is it safe to assume that for [unit_type] level must always be a positive integer? I have no idea why not, unless someone wanted to put in "2.5" or something
20101101 21:12:08< zookeeper> yes, it's safe
20101101 21:12:17< shadowmaster> levels are internally stored as integers, too
20101101 21:12:46< ancestral> Excellent
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20101101 21:20:16< AI0867> ancestral: you mean keys and you want stuff like foo=1,2,3 to become { foo : [ 1, 2, 3] }?
20101101 21:20:59< ancestral> Er, keys, yes
20101101 21:21:05< AI0867> unfortunately, the meaning of a comma varies per key, so no
20101101 21:21:21< ancestral> Hmm, okay
20101101 21:21:26< AI0867> wmlparser parses the WML by syntax, not by semantics
20101101 21:22:13< ancestral> Are there instances in WML where a comma is used where it's not separating two values?
20101101 21:22:31< ancestral> (and not quoted, obviously)
20101101 21:25:21< silene> nothing comes to mind, but i would be surprised if wml was consistent on this point ;-)
20101101 21:27:03< AI0867> descriptions
20101101 21:27:17< AI0867> maps
20101101 21:27:36< ancestral> Descriptions are quoted, right?
20101101 21:27:49< ancestral> Maybe not maps
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20101101 21:28:44< silene> descriptions are quoted (and marked as translatable usually), maps are quoted too
20101101 21:28:58< AI0867> being quoted or not is not preserved though
20101101 21:29:01< zookeeper> esr, how's the relnan gender switch going? :p
20101101 21:29:10< esr> Aarrgggh.
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20101101 21:29:48< esr> Been distracted for the last week.   http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2718
20101101 21:30:17< esr> Do you need the text changed before putting the  image in?  If so, why?
20101101 21:30:52< zookeeper> right, actually i don't ;)
20101101 21:31:31< zookeeper> i've been slowly working on making custom sprites for her, whenever i get that done (or just decide to use something already existing) i'll do so
20101101 21:39:28< ancestral> AI0867: Good point. No problem, I'll just split on comma where needed
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20101101 22:08:07< CIA-85> zookeeper * r47364 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Updated changelogs.
20101101 22:09:54< ancestral> Although I imagine possible, are there any existing examples of where a unit can advance to a unit that is more than one level higher? (For example, a level 1 unit that directly advances to a level 3 unit.)
20101101 22:13:55< silene> yes, it's possible, you could even advance to a lower-level unit
20101101 22:15:30< ancestral> Certainly nothing in mainline scenarios?
20101101 22:16:39< ancestral> Hmm, could make for an interesting mechanic where a character cyclically "levels" or morphs between two different units upon level
20101101 22:30:55< CIA-85> espreon * r47365 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/ (2 files): Begin making use of ON_DIFFICULTY for recruit= keys.
20101101 22:32:26< zookeeper> ancestral, yes, nothing like that in mainline
20101101 22:46:13< shadowmaster> shikadibot: repo
20101101 22:46:13< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Repository URI: http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth
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20101101 23:29:19< CIA-85> anonymissimus * r47366 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Improved error handling in [sound] a bit.
20101101 23:30:55< CIA-85> espreon * r47367 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/ (02_Across_the_Harsh_Sands.cfg 03_Stirring_in_the_Night.cfg): Ported more AI configurations...
20101101 23:34:45< CIA-85> espreon * r47368 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/03_Stirring_in_the_Night.cfg: Split another 'Death of <heroes>' objective.
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