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20101102 00:01:55 * PetePorty waves at Sirp
20101102 00:02:00< PetePorty> You're my hero.
20101102 00:02:03< PetePorty> :P
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20101102 00:05:23< CIA-85> espreon * r47372 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/units/elves/Kaleh.cfg: 'KALEH' -> 'KALEH_BASE'.
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20101102 00:08:23< CIA-85> espreon * r47373 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Moved Kaleh's, Nym's, Garak's, and Zhul's unit data to macros.
20101102 00:11:40< shadowmaster> Espreon: good move. Are you planning to make it possible to skip to any scenario without playing through scenario1 then?
20101102 00:11:59< Espreon> Yup.
20101102 00:18:23< CIA-85> espreon * r47374 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/units/elves/Kaleh.cfg: Converted remaining KALEH calls in Kaleh's unit type file.
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20101102 00:36:06< CIA-85> espreon * r47375 /trunk/data/core/macros/unit-utils.cfg: Created a version of RECALL_OR_CREATE that allows the coder to specify the location where the unit would be spawned/created.
20101102 00:39:12< Crab_> Espreon: note that [unit] tag by itself has recall-or-create semantics
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20101102 00:40:14< Espreon> Crab_: Really now?
20101102 00:40:19< CIA-85> espreon * r47376 /trunk/data/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Fixed macro name.
20101102 00:40:27< Crab_> since early 1.8, afair. it's by 'id=' attribute
20101102 00:40:31< Crab_> LoW uses it
20101102 00:40:47< Espreon> Wait... what... did I just do?
20101102 00:40:48< Crab_> and it has a key to allow units to be placed near a leader
20101102 00:41:22< Espreon> Damn, I put "-m" before the path again.
20101102 00:44:05< Espreon> Crab_: Uh, would you please direct me to an example?
20101102 00:45:20< Crab_> Espreon: data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/02_Hostile_mountains.cfg
20101102 00:45:46< Crab_> and note {KALENZ} and {LANDAR} macroses
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20101102 00:46:06< Crab_> they are defined in data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/utils/characters.cfg
20101102 00:46:21< Crab_> and they just have the right id= attribute
20101102 00:46:37< Crab_> so, when a unit with same id is found in the recall list, [unit] tag does a recall
20101102 00:47:22< Crab_> when it's not found, [unit] tag does a create (location, in addition to x,y=, can be controlled by placement= , see for details http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SingleUnitWML )
20101102 00:48:34< Crab_> the c++ code is in unit_creator::add_unit in src/actions.cpp
20101102 00:48:56< Espreon> Oh, don't bother pointing me to C++ code.
20101102 00:48:59 * Espreon chuckles
20101102 00:50:12< Crab_> ok. if you use --log-debug=engine, there are different messages "inserting unit for side FOO" for create  vs "inserting unit from recall list for side FOO" for recall
20101102 00:53:47< Espreon> Excellent.
20101102 00:53:51< Espreon> Crab_: Thanks.
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20101102 01:19:01< CIA-85> espreon * r47377 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/ (13 files): Do recall-or-create with the [unit] tag.
20101102 01:21:19< CIA-85> espreon * r47378 /trunk/data/core/macros/unit-utils.cfg: Killed the recently-created RECALL_OR_CREATE_UNIT_TO_LOCATION.
20101102 01:22:46< anonymissimus> Espreon: such a macro is still useful for type=
20101102 01:23:08< anonymissimus> e.g. recall or create a Troll at x,y
20101102 01:24:11< Espreon> ¡Ay ay ay!
20101102 01:25:24< Espreon> Well, I'm not reviving it.
20101102 01:29:35< CIA-85> espreon * r47379 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/ (07a_Dealing_with_Dwarves.cfg 13_Epilogue.cfg): Killed a macro call that should have been killed already; converted a [recall] codeblock.
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20101102 01:36:28< CIA-85> espreon * r47380 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Moved x and y values out of the character definitions (what is wrong with me?) and put them back where they belong.
20101102 01:36:55< CIA-85> espreon * r47381 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/07a_Dealing_with_Dwarves.cfg: Ran wmlindent.
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20101102 01:56:30< shadowmaster> eleazzaar: I figured out how to do blurring under character dialogs in trunk.
20101102 01:56:41< shadowmaster> now the question is how much blurry it should be
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20101102 02:00:31< shadowmaster> here's it with a blur radius of 5, which is the default used for other popup dialogs: http://shadowm.rewound.net/blur3.png (1.8 MiB PNG, maybe I should have tried JPEG before uploading)
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20101102 02:12:35< shadowm_laptop> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blur4.jpeg 0.3 MiB
20101102 02:20:29< eleazzaar> shadowm_laptop: your example looks good-- much better than the un-blurred
20101102 02:21:44< shadowmaster> should I commit?
20101102 02:22:17< eleazzaar> as far as i'm concerned: yes!
20101102 02:22:54< eleazzaar> If you are messing with that part of the code, any chance you can get rid of the  border along the bottom and just make the black box go to the bottom of the screen?
20101102 02:24:49< eleazzaar> anyway, goodnight all
20101102 02:25:11< shadowmaster> eleazzaar: I tried, but I can't quite figure out how to fix the padding.
20101102 02:25:34< shadowmaster> it involves some maths which I'm afraid of, especially with mordante's hideous macroified code :P
20101102 02:30:18< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r47382 /trunk/data/gui/default/widget/panel_wml_message.cfg: 
20101102 02:30:19< CIA-85> Cast a blur effect on the WML message panel background per Eleazar's suggestion
20101102 02:30:19< CIA-85> (Item 2 in the second part of
20101102 02:30:19< CIA-85> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=423254#p423254).
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20101102 03:56:58< shadowm_laptop> mordante:
20101102 03:57:01< shadowm_laptop> Dev message: src/gui/widgets/window.cpp:826 in function 'layout' found the following problem: Failed to size window; wanted size 879,472 available size 848,480 screen size 848,480.
20101102 03:57:07< shadowm_laptop> I can't use --smallgui this way
20101102 03:58:02< shadowm_laptop> and since I got this after switching res in-game, the setting got committed and I had to use --resolution to be able to run Wesnoth agian
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20101102 04:03:33< shadowm_laptop> oh, and I figured out how to make the buttons text look like pressed when...pressed.
20101102 04:03:53< shadowm_laptop> too bad that it breaks one of the buttons in the main menu. Espreon would kill me if I committed the patch.
20101102 04:04:12< shadowm_laptop> http://shadowm.rewound.net/pressed.png
20101102 04:05:17< shadowm_laptop> oh, and you did away with my blurring on the titlescreen panels. That needs to be fixed.
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20101102 04:07:16< ancestral> Gosh I miss the work West did with the UI. Some of it was pretty decent.
20101102 04:08:14< shadowm_laptop> mordante: ah, never mind, I found the explanation in one of your comments in the code :D
20101102 04:08:16< ancestral> (http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24598)
20101102 04:08:34< shadowm_laptop> also a good explanation as to why my patch earlier should be reverted
20101102 04:10:36< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r47383 /trunk/data/gui/default/widget/panel_wml_message.cfg: 
20101102 04:10:37< CIA-85> Revert "Cast a blur effect on the WML message panel background per Eleazar's suggestion"
20101102 04:10:37< CIA-85> This reverts commit r47382.
20101102 04:10:37< CIA-85> There's one problem with GUI2 that needs to be fixed first, which is
20101102 04:10:37< CIA-85> also why there's no blurring in the titlescreen panels yet. I should've
20101102 04:10:37< CIA-85> noticed earlier.
20101102 04:10:45< shadowm_laptop> it was nice while it lasted.
20101102 04:12:06< shadowm_laptop> wow, I have 30 stashed patches. Time to clean up.
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20101102 06:58:53< zookeeper> eleazzaar, IIRC the bottom border of the message dialogs was intentional and deemed to look nicer than just extending the box to the bottom of the screen... can't say i disagree with that.
20101102 06:59:42< shadowmaster> eleazar's idea didn't involve removing the border AFAIK, just eliminating the gap at the bottonm of the screen
20101102 07:01:33< zookeeper> shadowmaster, i don't think so: "get rid of the  border along the bottom and just make the black box go to ..."
20101102 07:02:20< shadowmaster> right. I was working based on this mockup:  http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=40119&mode=view
20101102 07:03:38< zookeeper> i don't see the point of keeping the border if it's just glued to the screen edge... to me it just looks like someone forgot to add a margin which should be there
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20101102 07:12:50< ancestral> I personally like the border
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20101102 09:13:37< Ivanovic> moin
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20101102 14:29:28< eleazzaar> zookeeper:  shadowmaster i'm not sure why i left the border at the bottom of my old mockup.  Just blurred black all the way down is what it should be
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20101102 16:03:28< Ivanovic> AI0867, Crab_, crimson_penguin, deekay, eleazzaar, Espreon, happygrue, ilor, loonycyborg, shadowmaster, Soliton, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: what do you think of 1.9.2 on friday or saturday?
20101102 16:03:57< eleazzaar> fine with me
20101102 16:04:11< shadowmaster> okay
20101102 16:04:51< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: note that --smallgui is currently broken due to the titlescreen's size constraints
20101102 16:04:59< Ivanovic> huh???
20101102 16:05:18< shadowmaster> the minimum res you can use now is 879x472, at least for me
20101102 16:05:28< shadowmaster> not 848x480, which is offerred in the preferences window
20101102 16:05:45< Ivanovic> this, you know, sucks extremely
20101102 16:05:49< Ivanovic> which change broke this?
20101102 16:06:09< shadowmaster> good question
20101102 16:06:17< Ivanovic> and even more important: is there a bugtracker entry for it marked as blocker?
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20101102 16:06:30< Ivanovic> (since it is a blocker, making the port for several devices not possible!)
20101102 16:07:05< Ivanovic> using the german translation even 800x600 is broken
20101102 16:07:11< Ivanovic> this is an *extreme blocker*
20101102 16:08:09< Ivanovic> using german this is what it wants over here: 913,472
20101102 16:08:33< Ivanovic> wesbot: seen mordante
20101102 16:08:34< wesbot> Ivanovic: The person with the nick mordante last spoke 4d 17h ago.  4d 17h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-de with the message: Quit: .
20101102 16:09:18< shadowmaster> okay, it seems it was my change to make the titlescreen version label aligned to the bottom left corner that broke it
20101102 16:09:23< Ivanovic> my guess: it is broken because the tip of the day window is somehow alligned with teh version label
20101102 16:10:00< Ivanovic> (the tip of the day part only starts "after" the version number is done)
20101102 16:10:11< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: would be nice if you had a look into fixing this one
20101102 16:10:26-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.2 planned for friday or saturday | 170 bugs, 298 feature requests, 15 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20101102 16:10:38< shadowmaster> I am committing the most obvious fix meanwhile
20101102 16:11:00< CIA-81> shadowmaster * r47384 /trunk/data/gui/default/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Revert revisions 47157 and 47156 to make the titlescreen usable again with --smallgui
20101102 16:12:15< shadowmaster> it should work now
20101102 16:13:12< zookeeper> Ivanovic, yes, fine by me.
20101102 16:14:40< shadowmaster> shikadibot: repo
20101102 16:14:40< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Repository URI: http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth
20101102 16:14:42< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: sure
20101102 16:15:53< shadowmaster> [1]  + 11584 continued  svn propedit svn:ignore http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/trunk
20101102 16:15:56< shadowmaster> svn: Can't create directory '/var/svn/wesnoth/db/transactions/47384-1.txn': Permission denied
20101102 16:16:14< shadowmaster> so...I can't do remote propedits? :/
20101102 16:17:19< shadowmaster> oh wait, my bad, that's not the authenticated path
20101102 16:18:38< CIA-81> shadowmaster * r47385 /trunk/: Add .kdev_include_paths to svn:ignore list
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20101102 16:43:56< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: looking at your commits i'd assume that the additional "{GUI_FILLER}" was the issue
20101102 16:44:49< Ivanovic> fixing the label reference itself as well as changing the font to tiny should not change a thing
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20101102 21:05:47< mordante> servus
20101102 21:06:25< mordante> AI0867, shadowmaster, Ivanovic you were looking for me?
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20101102 21:29:25< anonymissimus> esr: May I ask you what wmlscope's check for "mismatched references" is good for ? I can't remember a single case where it found anything that did not already work. If a macro is actually called with wrong types of its arguments it won't work at all and is fxed independently.
20101102 21:30:41< esr> You only think that because you weren't around when I was doing the initial cleanup.  Believe me,m it found some doozies.
20101102 21:31:35< esr> It doesn't tend to find a lot of them now, of course...but that's because the hard part got done years ago.
20101102 21:32:22< CIA-81> mordante * r47386 /trunk/src/ (9 files): 
20101102 21:32:22< CIA-81> Readd tportrait removed in r47283.
20101102 21:32:22< CIA-81> The code is WIP and will be finished some point in the future.
20101102 21:32:30< anonymissimus> mainline wml must've been really in bad shape back then
20101102 21:36:02< zookeeper> anonymissimus, well, considering that most of the mainline campaigns were originally written >5 years ago...
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20101102 21:41:18< AI0867> mordante: we were wondering if it's possible to allow portraits taller than 500 px, cutting the top off the image if it exceeds screenheight
20101102 21:41:50< AI0867> this would allow more huge-seeming portraits without running into cropping issues
20101102 21:42:14< Ivanovic> mordante: yeah, we were because the main screen was broken, but shadowmaster broke it, so nothing to do for you
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20101102 21:43:14< AI0867> related, we already support (officially at least) a screen resolution less than 500 px tall. what happens in that case?
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20101102 21:44:57< Ivanovic> AI0867: we only support it when using --small-gui
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20101102 21:45:20< Ivanovic> AI0867: nothing special happens then, that is: for the game screen a special theme for the resolutions between 800x480 and 800x600 is defined
20101102 21:47:21< AI0867> okay, portraits are scaled
20101102 21:49:04< esr> anonymissimus: Yes, mainline WML was in quite bad shape by todays's standards back then.  My tools raised the standards a lot; that was part of the point of writing and applying them.
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20101102 22:04:48< mordante> AI0867, the image gets scaled down if the screen is lower as 500 px
20101102 22:05:25< mordante> but I asked Jetryl at some point and 500 would be the absolute maximum for portraits so that value is "hard-coded"
20101102 22:05:59< mordante> Ivanovic, ok
20101102 22:06:24< Ivanovic> mordante: what do you think about 1.9.2 on friday or saturday
20101102 22:06:26< mordante> Ivanovic, nothing really pending for 1.9.2, also won't be much around this week
20101102 22:06:47< mordante> (still not improvement in typing speed ;-) )
20101102 22:10:16< Ivanovic> hehe
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20101102 22:15:40< PetePorty> Hey Ivanovic, shadowmaster told me to contact you about a certain problem... The thing is, I started translating Wesnoth to spanish, and I finished 10 '.po's, and started translating DW, that had no translation whatsoever. The problem is, that I contacted the maintainer about a month ago, and he DID reply, and even asked me how I wanted to appear on the crdits, but he didn't seem to add me... So... yeah.
20101102 22:16:12< Ivanovic> uhm, okay
20101102 22:16:21< Ivanovic> IIRC there was no update from the spanish maintainer so far
20101102 22:16:50< PetePorty> Yeah, that's what shadowmaster said... so.. what should I do with the translated stuff? Should I send it to you?
20101102 22:16:51< Ivanovic> last update i got was from may 2010, so you are not added in
20101102 22:17:35< Ivanovic> ask him again if/when he will send the files upstream
20101102 22:17:54< PetePorty> Ok.
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20101102 22:21:31< AI0867> mordante: the issue here is the woses: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=463631#p463631
20101102 22:22:27< [Relic]> Hello :)
20101102 22:23:32< mordante> hi [Relic] 
20101102 22:25:57< PetePorty> K, snet.
20101102 22:26:02< PetePorty> sent*
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20101102 22:28:52< Soliton> mordante: what's the point of having unused, undocumented WIP code committed?
20101102 22:29:54< [Relic]> you mean besides driving the devs mad, or getting opinions that will help build it properly?
20101102 22:31:10< mordante> Soliton, since I hoped to find time to work on it earlier, and keeping it in makes it easier to work on when I've time for it
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20101102 22:32:22< Soliton> mordante: how does it make it easier to work on?
20101102 22:34:20< PetePorty> It probably forces him to work, making him know that  he has undone stuff, and that someone is waiting for them?
20101102 22:35:12< AI0867> it also helps if someone else is also touching the code
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20101102 22:45:13< mordante> AI0867, http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=463889#p463889
20101102 22:46:04< mordante> Soliton, what AI0867 said
20101102 22:46:49< Soliton> so you are collaborating with someone?
20101102 22:48:05< mordante> jein have some stuff in a git-branch
20101102 22:49:15< Soliton> i'm not really seeing why that one commit can't be in it too then.
20101102 22:50:27< mordante> since I add new files with subversion to get the properties right
20101102 22:52:31< Soliton> auto-props are not enough?
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20101102 22:53:22< mordante> afaik git-svn doesn't honour auto-props
20101102 22:54:19< Soliton> ok, i see.
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20101102 23:00:38< mordante> I'm off night
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