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20101106 00:22:17< CIA-81> espreon * r47452 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Reverted unintentional effects of r47449.
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20101106 00:36:41< Espreon> zookeeper: Hmmm, it looks like the comments in EASY's version of ON_DIFFICULTY causes problems...
20101106 00:37:18< Espreon> zookeeper: ... like bug #17025.
20101106 00:44:09< Espreon> ... and it seems that QUANTITY's "ifdef EASY" gets included in the generated HTML.
20101106 00:44:23< Espreon> http://www.wesnoth.org/macro-reference.html#file:utils.cfg
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20101106 04:12:13< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: it's up
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20101106 05:02:09< CIA-81> espreon * r47453 /trunk/data/core/macros/utils.cfg: 
20101106 05:02:09< CIA-81> Removed the comments in ON_DIFFICULTY's EASY definition, for it breaks things...
20101106 05:02:09< CIA-81> Fixes bug #17025.
20101106 05:02:09< CIA-81> shadowmaster demanded this commit.
20101106 05:02:54< shadowmaster> wesbot: bug 17025
20101106 05:02:55< wesbot> Bug #17025  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20101106 05:02:55< wesbot> Summary: "The Rise of Wesnoth" will not start in easy mode.
20101106 05:02:55< wesbot> Original submission: The campaign offers three difficulty settings, "Easy", "N
20101106 05:02:58< wesbot> ormal" and "Hard". Selecting Normal or Hard will function (apparently) as intend
20101106 05:03:01< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?17025
20101106 05:04:55< shadowmaster> I reproduced it here.
20101106 05:05:04< shadowmaster> I wonder why it wasn't assigned as a Blocker :|
20101106 05:08:05< shadowmaster> Espreon: ISTR silene mentioning that the macros *not* dropping comments at definition time was intentiona
20101106 05:08:08< shadowmaster> l
20101106 05:08:21< Espreon> For realz?
20101106 05:08:24< shadowmaster> so really the only fix for this bug is not having those comments there
20101106 05:08:36< shadowmaster> Espreon: it makes sense to me anyway
20101106 05:08:49< shadowmaster> the preprocessor is not supposed to treat macro contents especially until they are included somewhere
20101106 05:09:04< Espreon> Well, if zookeeper really wants that HTML documentation, either extend the generator so that a workaround can be made, or too damn bad.
20101106 05:09:25< shadowmaster> I don't see the point in documenting something as trivial as that.
20101106 05:09:38< Espreon> Well, he demanded it!
20101106 05:09:52< shadowmaster> too bad.
20101106 05:10:29< shadowmaster> the cautionary comments above the macro definition contradict any intention of documenting the macro anyway
20101106 05:10:35< shadowmaster> # No tab or space-based indentation for these macros to avoid trouble when these macros are used
20101106 05:10:39< shadowmaster> # in the middle of a quoted string literal
20101106 05:11:19< shadowmaster> of course noone thought about replacing "blah indentation" with "extra tokens in general"
20101106 05:11:52< Espreon> I believe that's your fault.
20101106 05:11:56< shadowmaster> anyway, afk
20101106 05:12:02< shadowmaster> Espreon: uh?
20101106 05:12:20< Espreon> I took everything from diff-utils.cfg, renamed the macros.
20101106 05:12:23< Espreon> *l
20101106 05:12:25< Espreon> *;
20101106 05:12:35< shadowmaster> there wasn't any documentation in my source.
20101106 05:12:46< Espreon> No, I was talking about the cautionary comments.
20101106 05:12:47< shadowmaster> AFAIK I have documente macros exclusively using out-of-line comments
20101106 05:12:54< shadowmaster> Espreon: ah.
20101106 05:13:07< shadowmaster> okay, my bad for not preventing people from falling into the preprocessor's traps
20101106 05:13:22 * Espreon chuckles
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20101106 05:49:15< Lancer2013> Hey guys, I am working on a patch for the ai, I am 95% done with it, however I have one last obstacle -- I am trying to figure out the numbering/sequence for the player and enemy teams.
20101106 05:49:47< Lancer2013> Might anyone be able to help me out?
20101106 05:50:16< Espreon> What exactly do you mean?
20101106 05:50:49< Lancer2013> for the ai, I am making a patch to do the following .. give me one moment -- plz -- have to pull up my log
20101106 05:51:41< Espreon> No, I meant the numbering.
20101106 05:51:54< Lancer2013> ah
20101106 05:51:56< Lancer2013> well you see..
20101106 05:52:11< Lancer2013> player is a side, and the enemies are a side
20101106 05:52:21< Espreon> Yes.
20101106 05:52:59< Espreon> Normally, the player side is player one, and the rest are AI-controlled... but... nothing is definitive... I think.
20101106 05:53:24< Espreon> There can be multiple player sides... so... yeahz.
20101106 05:53:35< Espreon> Lancer2013: I'd just wait till Crab_ comes back.
20101106 05:53:37< Lancer2013> That is what I am saying -- I can't seem to find anything that tells me if player one is side one, and foe is side 2 + 3 etc
20101106 05:54:05< Lancer2013> indeed -- I was lookin for him earlier but think i missed him
20101106 05:54:50< Espreon> Try coming on when it's day in Europe.
20101106 05:55:52< Lancer2013> Will do, I am actually quite excited about this thing I am doing.. however seeing how this one thing will decide whether or not my patch will work together is in the way haha
20101106 05:57:32< Lancer2013> however -- until I end up reaching Crab_ -- if anyone has an idea on what I could take a look at to answer my question, would be awesome.
20101106 05:59:24< shadowmaster> Lancer2013: you read the messages Crab eft you in the logs, right?
20101106 05:59:31< shadowmaster> *left
20101106 05:59:49< Lancer2013> from a few weeks ago?
20101106 05:59:54< shadowmaster> no, today
20101106 05:59:54< Lancer2013> yes I have them --
20101106 06:00:01< Lancer2013> I didnt talk to him today
20101106 06:00:10< Lancer2013> nor did I get any messages
20101106 06:00:40< shadowmaster> Lancer2013: http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2010/11/%23wesnoth-dev.2010-11-05.log
20101106 06:00:48< shadowmaster> 23:03
20101106 06:01:08< shadowmaster> 22:58 too
20101106 06:01:42< shadowmaster> I mean "last evening" I think
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20101106 06:01:58< shadowmaster> it's hard to say since it's 2:01 am
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20101106 06:02:29< Lancer2013> indeed -- 1:04 here thanks -- I was in the CMSC lab here at college -- had to log off n switch to my desktop here in my dorm -- so didnt see the message
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20101106 06:04:44< Lancer2013> shadowmaster: thank you very much! this was exactly what I needed. Maybe I will be able to finish this patch tonight then ^_^
20101106 06:06:00< CIA-81> espreon * r47454 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Reworked all of the ally stuff to avoid the use of variables in translatable strings.
20101106 06:07:20< Espreon> OK... now for the ally-related objectives...
20101106 06:15:08< CIA-81> espreon * r47455 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/08_Out_of_the_Frying_Pan.cfg: Made objectives for 'Death of <ally_name>' to replace 'Death of Troll Ally' and 'Death of Dwarf Ally'.
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20101106 06:56:35< CIA-81> espreon * r47456 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (26 files in 14 dirs): 'add -' -> sub '.
20101106 07:02:07< CIA-81> espreon * r47457 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/_main.cfg: Got rid of a useless comment.
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20101106 07:16:39< CIA-81> espreon * r47458 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/12_The_Final_Confrontation.cfg: Made it so that Kaleh's attack on Eloh actually does damage; got rid of the hyphen-minus in the damage text to make it resemble damage text from a real battle.
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20101106 07:52:32< Soliton> Espreon: why is it better to have two nearly identical strings instead of one with variables?
20101106 07:55:36< Espreon> To ensure that the strings play nicely with all languages/.
20101106 07:55:40< Espreon> *languages.
20101106 07:56:28< Espreon> Besides, I've greated the gateway to giving the backup characters unique personalities.
20101106 07:56:31< Espreon> *created
20101106 07:57:07< Soliton> how would they not "play nicely"?
20101106 07:58:40< Espreon> Some languages inflect more than English... and that could cause problems. Besides, I've seen languages with weird-ass features, so, I'd rather not take chances.
20101106 08:00:47< Soliton> so basically you have no idea of any problems so far since we've been using variables in translatable strings.
20101106 08:01:49< Espreon> Hey, if you want me to revert, I shall revert and wait till a problem occurs or if we want to give the alternate characters unique personalities.
20101106 08:03:03< Soliton> i just wanted to know your rationale.
20101106 08:03:38< Soliton> there might have been good reason for a general policy.
20101106 08:03:46< Espreon> Ah, I see.
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20101106 08:12:56< Espreon> I really wish the effects of :unit were applied to the selected unit... not by the unit under the cursor.
20101106 08:36:36< CIA-81> espreon * r47459 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/12_The_Final_Confrontation.cfg: 
20101106 08:36:36< CIA-81> Removed the hyphen-minus in the floating text caused by Yechnagoth's special
20101106 08:36:36< CIA-81> slime attack; made it so that damage is applied before slowing, like it is in
20101106 08:36:36< CIA-81> actual slowing attack; added a delay between the application of damaging and
20101106 08:36:36< CIA-81> slowing to mimic the spacing between the labels from an actual slowing attack.
20101106 08:36:49< Espreon> The spacing appears to be right...
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20101106 08:40:25< Espreon> Maybe I should increase it a bit...
20101106 08:41:05< Espreon> Well, that's enough for now.
20101106 08:41:15< Espreon> Bye.
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20101106 09:12:14< Ivanovic> moin
20101106 09:15:19< Crab_> hello, Ivanovic
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20101106 09:32:12< timotei> Ivanovic: any idea on how to get that readme.pdf pop up as main download button?
20101106 09:32:30< Ivanovic> huh?
20101106 09:32:35< Ivanovic> need some more info
20101106 09:32:38< timotei> on sf, wesnoth
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20101106 09:32:41< timotei> https://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/
20101106 09:32:43< Ivanovic> which pdf as main downloaf button for what and where
20101106 09:32:51< timotei> oh, it's back :D
20101106 09:33:14< timotei> 3 secs ago, the big green download button, was with the README.pdf :P
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20101106 09:34:24 * Ivanovic has no idea what you are talking about
20101106 09:34:42< Ivanovic> probably because it is too early for me and i am still sleepy as well as busy with google code in stuff
20101106 09:34:54< timotei> oh, ok. no problem
20101106 09:35:01< timotei> it's fixed anyway. sorry for bothering you
20101106 09:35:13< timotei> and btw, it's 10.35 :P
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20101106 09:41:23< Ivanovic> no, it is 9:41
20101106 09:41:33< Ivanovic> and outside it is still not dark
20101106 09:41:36< Ivanovic> so it is too early
20101106 09:41:50< Ivanovic> beside this: i had no tea so far, so it has to be "by far too early"
20101106 09:42:11< timotei> I understand
20101106 09:51:37< CIA-81> ivanovic * r47460 /trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): updated Japanese translation
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20101106 11:06:10< zookeeper> Espreon, huh, what have i demanded exactly?
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20101106 11:53:24< Ivanovic> AI0867, eleazzaar, Espreon, esr, ilor, silene, zookeeper: looking for possible mentors for google code in
20101106 11:53:41< Ivanovic> being a mentor will mean that you a) create tasks and b) judge/help people working on those
20101106 11:53:56< Ivanovic> you got to create an account at google for this
20101106 11:53:59< silene> not interested, sorry
20101106 11:54:56< Ivanovic> gci faq: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2010/faqs
20101106 11:55:03< Ivanovic> silene: okay
20101106 11:55:26< esr> Ivanovic: I'm probably well-suited to mentoring, but so oversubscribed that I might flake out on the poor kid.  Likely not a good idea.
20101106 11:55:56< Ivanovic> esr: the main task is not real mentoring but judging if the work was done as requested
20101106 11:56:23< Ivanovic> i will also ask the translation maintainers to sign up if they want this kind of help with their translations (including translations as well as proofreading)
20101106 11:56:42< esr> What's the actual time commitment involved?  And what are the deadlines?
20101106 11:56:46< Ivanovic> cf http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2010/faqs#work
20101106 11:56:58< esr> Ah.
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20101106 11:57:39< esr> Well, maybe if you can find a project that doesn't involve auditing (ugh) C++...
20101106 11:57:51< Ivanovic> esr: projects are defined by everyone
20101106 11:57:58< Ivanovic> esr: and projects can also include prose polishing
20101106 11:58:04< Ivanovic> or playtesting campaigns
20101106 11:58:23< Ivanovic> but we need mentors who are able to define tasks and later on judge if the task was done
20101106 11:58:37< zookeeper> well, since i'll probably be the one to fix any issues found by campaign playtesting, i guess i need to mentor that...
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20101106 11:58:49< Ivanovic> zookeeper: yeah
20101106 11:58:51< esr> Ah.  I could mentor prose polishing.  But I'd have pretty hight standards.
20101106 11:59:07< Ivanovic> esr: it is all a matter of what you define as task first
20101106 11:59:18< Ivanovic> we need people that
20101106 11:59:25< Ivanovic> a) define and enter tasks in the google tracker
20101106 11:59:42< zookeeper> but it's hard to judge whether a playtester did their job well or not without playtesting all the same things oneself... :p
20101106 11:59:43< Ivanovic> b) judge if the task was fulfilled to our satisfaction and if not provide some comments
20101106 12:00:09< silene> prose polishing? given the average age of the applicants?
20101106 12:00:11< Ivanovic> zookeeper: i'd say that a playtesting task was done to our satisfaction when there is some useful feedback
20101106 12:00:21< Ivanovic> silene: it is *possible* in theory
20101106 12:01:02< Ivanovic> esr: you could eg ask for some playtesting of thot to check some specific difficulty levels and whatnot
20101106 12:01:13< Ivanovic> things you have not managed to test yourself too much
20101106 12:01:29< Ivanovic> or ask for some cleanup / additions in some of your tools
20101106 12:01:38< Ivanovic> or ask for some wiki updates
20101106 12:01:43< esr> Possible.  Sadly, people who can write at the level I require are probably scarcer than competent coders.
20101106 12:01:43< Ivanovic> or *whatever*
20101106 12:01:50< zookeeper> shadowmaster, you added NR and DW to the campaign playtest list; does that mean you'll handle applicants who want to pick those?
20101106 12:02:30< Ivanovic> those that want to mentor and add tasks please do ping me with your link_id so that i can add you in the mentor list
20101106 12:03:04< Ivanovic> stikonas: would you eg mentor people that would like to help with the lithuanian translation?
20101106 12:04:20< Ivanovic> stikonas: for lang maintainers the work would be defining "usable" working blocks (eg "translate the unit descriptions of the drakes" or "proofread the first 3 scenarios of utbs" or "translate the campaign 'two brothers'" and afterwards read over the patches, the working blocks should take between 2 and 8 hours and yeah, i know that probably not many lithuanian speaking people will participate)
20101106 12:04:29< stikonas> I think so. But are there such people?
20101106 12:04:49< Ivanovic> stikonas: we can only create tasks and wait for people taking them
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20101106 12:05:11< stikonas> we actually have #wesnoth-lt channel, and git repository for Lithuanian translations
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20101106 12:05:14< Ivanovic> google there requires us to provide the list in advance and especially with translations we need to rely on the maintainers
20101106 12:05:29< stikonas> ok, that should be no problem
20101106 12:06:00< Ivanovic> stikonas: would be cool if you got yourself an account at the google site and told me its link id so that i can invite you as mentor
20101106 12:06:07< Ivanovic> then you can create respective tasks
20101106 12:06:32< Ivanovic> (eg not every lang will want to ask people to translate two brothers or the unit descriptions for race 'abc')
20101106 12:06:57< stikonas> Ivanovic: can you give me a link?
20101106 12:07:18< stikonas> oh, I see it in the log
20101106 12:07:25< Ivanovic> should all be reachable from the faq: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2010/faqs
20101106 12:08:57< Ivanovic> stikonas: i'll also send a mail about this to the i18n list sometime soonish
20101106 12:09:08< Ivanovic> but since you are also around in here
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20101106 12:12:37< stikonas> Ivanovic: I've created an account (link_id: stikonas)
20101106 12:13:08< Ivanovic> submitted the invite
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20101106 14:23:30< fendrin> esr: What is the wmllint policy for AssertionError? Are they always a bug?
20101106 14:24:00< esr> fendrin: Um, assrtion errors in what?  The Python?  If so, yes.
20101106 14:24:49< fendrin> esr: Okay, I will do a commit that comes with a test case for wmllint but most likely contain buggy wml code as well.
20101106 14:27:46< CIA-81> fendrin * r47461 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (_main.cfg units/Horse_Archer.cfg): 
20101106 14:27:46< CIA-81> LoW:
20101106 14:27:46< CIA-81> Derived the Rider unit to reintroduce the Elvish Horse Archer.
20101106 14:27:46< CIA-81> The Horse Archer config causes wmllint to fail with AssertionError.
20101106 14:28:09< fendrin> esr: ^
20101106 14:28:34< esr> OK, I'll look into it.
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20101106 14:42:24< wesbot> fendrin: The person with the nick noy last spoke 7d 18h ago.  1d 9h ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Quit: noy
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20101106 15:02:47< CIA-81> fendrin * r47462 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/utils/characters.cfg: LoW utils: fixed some scenarios not giving the human control.
20101106 15:04:47< Ivanovic> eleazzaar: accepted you in the program
20101106 15:07:15< fendrin> esr: There is a discussion about DM's story: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=447081
20101106 15:11:38< esr> fendrin: I've seen that before.  I don't agree with the criticism.  I specifically designed one scenario in which Delf nearly fails a wisdom check.
20101106 15:12:30< Gambit> timotei:
20101106 15:12:30< esr> If you recall the tomb guardian doesn't accept his first two answers and is near to killing him.
20101106 15:12:31< Gambit> Logging started.
20101106 15:12:31< Gambit> Error codes: 1 - INFO, 2 - WARNING, 4 - ERROR
20101106 15:12:31< Gambit> Logging ended.
20101106 15:12:52< Gambit> timotei ^
20101106 15:16:38< fendrin> esr: Okay, I am also fine with DM's story so far. Most players also like DM. DM is the campaign which is making me the least trouble even though the weird recall list handling.
20101106 15:17:44 * esr had a lot of fun writing the weird recall list handling.
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20101106 15:18:31< fendrin> esr: Didn't I code that? I have some memories about it.
20101106 15:19:45< fendrin> LoW needs some more units.
20101106 15:20:08< fendrin> After splitting the elves in parts there is not enough variation left for each player.
20101106 15:21:40< fendrin> For the time being I gave Cleodil's side shamans, woses and elvish scouts.
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20101106 15:26:28< shadowmaster> zookeeper: hm, forgot about that part.
20101106 15:28:00< zookeeper> shadowmaster, yeah, i don't want to end up mentoring anyone on NR...
20101106 15:28:09< esr> fendrin: You did most of the WML for that campaign, but I ended up factoring out and generalizing and documenting the recall-list hacking.  Yes, that is normally the sort of thing *you* end up doing :-)
20101106 15:29:02< shadowmaster> zookeeper: feel free to edit it if you like :P
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20101106 15:30:34< fendrin> shadowmaster: The dryad unit from iftu, from which era is it from?
20101106 15:31:18< shadowmaster> Extended
20101106 15:31:47< fendrin> thx
20101106 15:32:12< shadowmaster> also note that all units I imported from EE were modified in some manner
20101106 15:32:24< shadowmaster> in IftU, that is
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20101106 16:42:26< timotei> Gambit: what?
20101106 16:42:32< timotei> Gambit: no errors?:P
20101106 16:47:01< Gambit> timotei: and also no program
20101106 16:47:07< Gambit> it exited immediatly after that
20101106 16:47:08< timotei> Gambit: hmm
20101106 16:47:19< timotei> Gambit: ok, going on in linux to test it. but last time it worked :-/
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20101106 17:14:19< timotei> Gambit: you have an x64 system right?
20101106 17:14:24< Gambit> Yes
20101106 17:14:30< timotei> it seems I really need to build x64 version of the plugin lolz
20101106 17:15:00< timotei> Gambit: usually, the eclipse's log it's in: workspace/.metadata/.log :P
20101106 17:15:10< Gambit> oh I have to have eclipse?
20101106 17:15:12< timotei> there I can see: java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Cannot load 32-bit SWT libraries on 64-bit JVM
20101106 17:15:15< Gambit> That might explain something :P
20101106 17:15:16< timotei> is that for you too?
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20101106 17:15:57< Gambit> timotei: okay I'll pastebin it
20101106 17:16:05< Gambit> but uh
20101106 17:16:05< timotei> Gambit: thanks
20101106 17:16:07< Gambit> I don't have eclipse
20101106 17:16:17< Gambit> I thought this was standalone :(
20101106 17:16:27< timotei> well, you don't have to :p
20101106 17:16:33< timotei> but it's still based on the eclipse framework
20101106 17:16:48< Gambit> timotei: http://pastebin.com/v1smausK
20101106 17:17:01< timotei> yep, the same error
20101106 17:17:09< timotei> thanks God, at least it's something solvable :D
20101106 17:17:37< timotei> Gambit: will build it and upload soon
20101106 17:18:15< timotei> damn, the KDE set time still doesn't work as intended
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20101106 17:56:45< Espreon> zookeeper: The comments in ON_DIFFICULTY.
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20101106 18:11:20< Espreon> Ivanovic: I might be interested... Do I have to be available most of the time? I do have school you know... So, I'm not available on weekdays from 6:30 AM to 4:30 PM.
20101106 18:11:33< Ivanovic> nah, this does not matter
20101106 18:11:41< Ivanovic> i am off now for some hours
20101106 18:11:52< Espreon> I'll... consider it...
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20101106 18:36:49< CIA-81> timotei * r47464 /website/eclipse.wesnoth.org/index.html: update the news
20101106 18:40:32< zookeeper> Espreon, i demanded that you put comments inside the macro?
20101106 18:42:45< Espreon> Yeah, you did.
20101106 18:45:35 * zookeeper demands proof
20101106 18:46:08< Espreon> zookeeper: You sift through the logs.
20101106 18:46:32< Espreon> zookeeper: You did ask me to put documentation comments in the damn macro.
20101106 18:46:46< zookeeper> i tried but didn't find anything
20101106 18:47:33< Espreon> Well, look harder.
20101106 18:47:43< Espreon> Actually, I think we spoke in a query.
20101106 18:47:59< Espreon> Unless you keep logs of your queries, yeahz...
20101106 18:48:46< zookeeper> those are what i searched
20101106 18:49:14< zookeeper> oh, it was added in march. i didn't search that far back.
20101106 18:49:18< Espreon> You did ask me to put those comments in there.
20101106 18:49:59< Espreon> zookeeper: Don't believe me?
20101106 18:51:58< zookeeper> well, yeah, i found the log and i still don't see me telling you to put the comments there...i just apparently checked the commit and said it was ok :p
20101106 18:52:42< Espreon> zookeeper: Cool, but you did ask me to put them there. You accepted DIFF, but wanted me to change its name and add the damn comments.
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20101106 18:56:04< zookeeper> fine, whatever, but i still don't see it. </brokenrecord>
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20101106 19:24:32< timotei> zookeeper: did you try the wesnoth umc plugin?:P
20101106 19:24:53< timotei> I admit maybe it has some flaws, but it can be pretty usable :D
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20101106 19:29:10< zookeeper> timotei, not yet, i tried downloading it but sourceforge wasn't quite cooperating at the time
20101106 19:29:13 * zookeeper tries again
20101106 19:29:22< timotei> ok thanks :)
20101106 19:36:33< zookeeper> lots of paths to specify...
20101106 19:37:03< timotei> hmm, actually just 2, the others 2 are generated automatically :P
20101106 19:37:06< timotei> afair
20101106 19:37:21< zookeeper> it tells me all 5 are mandatory
20101106 19:37:45< zookeeper> but yeah, looks like it autogenerates some when i pick the executable path
20101106 19:39:12< zookeeper> uh...big problem: the campaign wizard puts the campaign #ifdef inside the [campaign] tag
20101106 19:40:08< timotei> hmm, I'm sorry for that, but I've taken all info from wiki
20101106 19:40:09< timotei> :P
20101106 19:40:18< timotei> so blame those who didn't wrote that correctly/updated
20101106 19:40:44< zookeeper> any idea what page?
20101106 19:40:48< timotei> yeah
20101106 19:40:52< timotei> let me search
20101106 19:41:01< timotei> there was also a campaign skeleton afair
20101106 19:43:09< timotei> this was one: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=BuildingCampaignsTheCampaignFile . 
20101106 19:43:48< zookeeper> well... it's not inside the campaign tag there :P
20101106 19:44:28< timotei> There's more we want to do ->this mislead me. telling about something was missing in the [campaign] :P
20101106 19:44:35< timotei> but anyways, thanks for the head-up
20101106 19:44:40< timotei> I'll put on todo fix list
20101106 19:45:10< timotei> so, add the #ifdef before the [campaign] or after?
20101106 19:45:24< zookeeper> after
20101106 19:45:29< timotei> ok
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20101106 20:10:46< fendrin> zookeeper: About the Dwarvish Runesmith line.
20101106 20:11:33< fendrin> zookeeper: It is currently a second branch of the fighter line. But There is enough art to give them a lvl one base.
20101106 20:12:16< fendrin> Dwarvish Smith -> Dwarvish Runesmith -> Dwarvish Runemaster
20101106 20:12:40< CIA-81> timotei * r47465 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth/templates/campaign.txt: eclipse plugin: update the campaign template (thanks zookeeper)
20101106 20:15:45< timotei> zookeeper: ^ I've fixed that :P
20101106 20:21:11< zookeeper> fendrin, where's the art for the lvl1?
20101106 20:21:28< fendrin> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=458218#p458218
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20101106 20:21:42< fendrin> There are three different enough units for 3 lvls.
20101106 20:22:03< zookeeper> yes, and there are 3 lvls now...arcanister is lvl4
20101106 20:22:06< fendrin> Maybe no lvl1 but a lvl4 instead?
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20101106 20:22:41< fendrin> Ah okay, I see.
20101106 20:23:30< fendrin> Somehow I feel that smiths deserve a lvl one since it is a profession that is learned early on. I somehow dislike him to evolve from the fighter.
20101106 20:25:30< zookeeper> sure, but a "lvl1 smith" would also be a pretty boring addition
20101106 20:26:18< zookeeper> i guess there could be a lvl1 unit which would advance both to runesmith and witness if the witness line would get decent art.
20101106 20:26:47< fendrin> Good idea.
20101106 20:49:17< fendrin> shadowmaster: I want to resurrect a thread from 2004. Is that a good idea?
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20101106 20:52:40< anonymissimus> fendrin, esr: the wmllint crash on the Elvish Horse Archer may be due to the id= being placed below the base_unit tag; I had somethign very similar recebtly
20101106 20:52:59< anonymissimus> it needs to be fixed however
20101106 20:57:23< shadowmaster> fendrin: what thread
20101106 20:57:47< shadowmaster> also needing to ask such a question indiccates a high chance of it not being a good idea.
20101106 20:58:52< CIA-81> espreon * r47466 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/12_The_Final_Confrontation.cfg: Ported most of the events in the twelfth scenario to custom events.
20101106 21:03:13< Ivanovic> re
20101106 21:03:28< shadowmaster> rerere
20101106 21:03:56< Ivanovic> Espreon: what you basically got to do as mentor in gci is find and define tasks, add those in the google tracker and react upon people that take the task and send something in
20101106 21:04:32< Ivanovic> the reaction that is expected is most likely some kind of "review the work done and judge if it is good enough, if not tell the student what needs to be 'better'"
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20101106 21:08:00< Espreon> 'Twould be nice if everything that should be ported to custom events were ported...
20101106 21:08:16< Espreon> Ivanovic: Hmmm... I think I'll do it.
20101106 21:08:40< Ivanovic> cool!
20101106 21:08:43< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: do gci mentors get ṕaid? :P
20101106 21:08:49< shadowmaster> *paid
20101106 21:08:51< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: of course!
20101106 21:08:52< Ivanovic> not
20101106 21:08:59< shadowmaster> :(
20101106 21:09:08< Ivanovic> maybe they got a tshirt for this program, too
20101106 21:09:12< Ivanovic> though i don't think so
20101106 21:09:31< Espreon> ...
20101106 21:09:51< Espreon> Ivanovic: Where do I sign up?
20101106 21:10:05< Ivanovic> Espreon: currently not possible, the system is in maintanance
20101106 21:10:17< Ivanovic> http://socghop.appspot.com/gci/org/home/google/gci2010/wesnoth
20101106 21:10:23< Ivanovic> okay, appears to be back up
20101106 21:10:34< shadowmaster> eleazzaar, Espreon, mordante: so, I've converted quite a bunch of dialogs to GUI2. Basically, every confirmation dialog (except for a few I need to test before hacking) in the game and editor is using GUI2 now. :cl's dialog box also uses GUI2
20101106 21:10:50< shadowmaster> (:cl being the "change current scenario" debug-mode command)
20101106 21:10:51< fendrin> shadowmaster: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4085
20101106 21:11:17< shadowmaster> fendrin: may I ask: what the hell?
20101106 21:11:30< Espreon> shadowmaster: Awesome.
20101106 21:11:34< shadowmaster> create a new thread and link to it instead
20101106 21:12:23< shadowmaster> I mean, create a new thread and link to the original thread in the opening post.
20101106 21:13:14< shadowmaster> anyway, now I just need to convert the "remove add-ons" dialog to GUI2
20101106 21:13:29< Espreon> 'Twould be nice if the initate attack dialog were converted...
20101106 21:13:29< shadowmaster> thanks to my generic selector dialog this should be matter of a couple of lines of diff ;)
20101106 21:13:38< Espreon> Fire Dragon-friendliness... would be awesome.
20101106 21:13:40< shadowmaster> Espreon: yes, but that's not trivial to do
20101106 21:13:47< Espreon> True.
20101106 21:13:54< zookeeper> that thread somehow made me wonder if there were horses on the great continent before the green isle folk brough them there.
20101106 21:14:11< zookeeper> brought, even.
20101106 21:16:01< zookeeper> well, more specifically whether it'd be a nice touch if there weren't.
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20101106 21:22:25< fendrin> shadowmaster: The background is that I have split up the elvish faction between the characters of LoW.
20101106 21:22:54< fendrin> So there is not a huge number of units to choose from in the recall list.
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20101106 21:23:49< CIA-81> shadowmaster * r47467 /trunk/src/addon/manager.cpp: Convert add-ons remove dialog to GUI2
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20101106 21:45:03< zookeeper> Jetrel, btw, i noticed more unfortunate paletting in some loyalist sprites: the spearman has some almost-identical armour colours and the hands aren't of the same colours as the face, and some of the bowman's skin colours are shared by the bow... would fixing that sort of stuff be a good GCI ( http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GCI ) task?
20101106 21:49:07< zookeeper> if we really want to support colour-shifting sprites (i don't know, do we?), then stuff like that very much stands in the way...
20101106 21:56:45< Jetrel> We do want to support color-shifting sprites, but we're not in a ground-breaking hurry to apply them to every unit line, and that sort of thing is fairly easy to fix on existing units.
20101106 21:57:03< Jetrel> It'd be a fuckton easier to fix if we were using spritesheets, but that's not happening at the moment.
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20101106 22:03:01< CIA-81> ivanovic * r47468 /trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): updated Italian translation
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20101106 22:07:26< CIA-81> shadowmaster * r47469 /trunk/src/preferences_display.cpp: Convert display resolution selection dialog to GUI2
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20101106 22:12:44< shadowmaster> eh, I wonder whether to fix the Theme selection dialog to use GUI2 or to just remove it altogether.
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20101106 22:43:55< Lancer2013> Crab_  where would the unit class be located?
20101106 22:44:15< Crab_> Lancer2013: hi. src/unit.hpp and src/unit.cpp
20101106 22:44:42< Lancer2013> .. that would make sense .. sigh...
20101106 22:46:52< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: one idea of the gui2 stuff is to make theming more easily possible
20101106 22:47:11< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: so i'd say: yeah, better convert it so that eventually there will be >1 usable theme
20101106 22:53:13< silene> Ivanovic: are you sure? i can't think of a single line in the current wesnoth that hints it is the eventual goal (i mean, it's a completely monolithic architecture)
20101106 22:54:02< Ivanovic> i thought it was once meant so that you can more easily create a different looking gui as well as one that scales better with different resolutions
20101106 22:56:37< silene> Ivanovic: that's true, but that's different from a theming engine; you can indeed create a different looking gui, but it's a change that can't be reversed; there is only one single gui (whichever it is)
20101106 22:57:58< silene> the only gui is the one loaded at wesnoth startup time
20101106 22:58:35< Crab_> silene: well, the directory structure in data/gui hints at the 'multiple themes once being an idea'. and, data/gui/default.cfg says in comment, that it "Defines a gui, all widgets and windows used in a certain 'theme'". but I don't think that this idea is being developed/expanded.
20101106 23:00:17< Jetrel> I say scuttle it.   Supporting "skinning" is a waste of programmer effort, and only matters on apps where the actual official developers fucked up completely.
20101106 23:01:05< Jetrel> Certainly, I won't ever be wasting my own effort on it.
20101106 23:06:03< silene> Crab_: well, i'm sure it isn't (or perhaps in yet another private branch)
20101106 23:12:12< Gambit> People involved with license and legal stuff: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=32099&p=464298#p464298
20101106 23:12:16< Gambit> Is that true?
20101106 23:12:28< Gambit> Do we use the same font on the logo of the iOS versions?
20101106 23:13:15< silene> Gambit: that's irrelevant; if we are indeed using a free-for-non-commercial font, whether it's for ios or not, we are doing bad
20101106 23:16:04< Gambit> Ah because Wesnoth is GPL and doesn't impose that restriction?
20101106 23:16:13< Gambit> And it raises the question: How long has he known about that license incomparability? -_-
20101106 23:18:17< silene> Gambit: yes, exactly
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20101106 23:23:47< Gambit> Heh I linked the posting guidelines, and then remembered that there is no peanut gallery in art dev.
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20101106 23:58:30< eleazzaar> depends what is intended by "theme".  I agree that "skinning" isn't useful for us, but presenting a GUI that was a bit more appropriate for the screen res and mouse vs touch is a good thing
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