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20101118 01:26:02< CIA-86> espreon * r47586 /trunk/ (55 files in 3 dirs): Made a combo of three terminating punctuation marks into a combo of two.
20101118 01:26:51< Gambit> Espreon's revisions are the best.
20101118 01:26:58< Espreon> Awww, thank you.
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20101118 02:13:16< Flechmen> In compiling wesnoth 1.6.5 on CentOS 5, it stops saying it can't find cairo-features.h. cairo-features.h and everything else that's a part of cairo is in /usr/include/cairo. 
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20101118 02:31:29< Flechmen> Mm, I think I'm gonna be switching distros anyway. I think Ubuntu has packages for wesnothd...
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20101118 07:54:55< CIA-86> espreon * r47587 /trunk/ (55 files in 3 dirs): 'Descent Into Darkness' -> 'Descent into Darkness'.
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20101118 10:23:49< Ivanovic> moin
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20101118 11:30:35< CIA-86> ivanovic * r47588 /trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated Italian and Spanish translation
20101118 11:31:18< boucman> wesbot: seen noy
20101118 11:31:19< boucman> Ivanovic: around
20101118 11:31:19< wesbot> boucman: The person with the nick noy last spoke 8d 4h ago.  4h 23m ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Quit: noy
20101118 11:31:23< Ivanovic> yeah
20101118 11:31:32< Ivanovic> boucman: what you commited ain't "correct" this way
20101118 11:31:46< Ivanovic> boucman: it really has to be one explicit task entry per "thing to do"
20101118 11:31:48< boucman> ??? what do you mean ?
20101118 11:31:55< Ivanovic> so something like "playtest!" does not work
20101118 11:31:57< boucman> ok
20101118 11:32:05< Ivanovic> it has to be "playtest scenarios 1 to 3 in the campaign ABC"
20101118 11:32:12< boucman> ouch
20101118 11:32:22< Ivanovic> and if you want to have two people doing it, you need two task entries
20101118 11:32:27< Ivanovic> exactly
20101118 11:32:42< Ivanovic> that is why you got admin access and can make use of the csv import feature
20101118 11:32:43< boucman> noy hasn't showed up yet, has he ?
20101118 11:32:44< Ivanovic> ;)
20101118 11:32:59< Ivanovic> he was online for some mins yesterday and plans to be "really" back next week
20101118 11:33:15< Ivanovic> the same as for campaigns is true for translations
20101118 11:33:16< boucman> Ivanovic: i'm on a friend's computer in laos, with a very flacky inet access provided by the guesthouse
20101118 11:33:33< boucman> copy pasting the wiki is the best I can do from here
20101118 11:33:44< Ivanovic> you have to add "translate the first 3 scenarios of wesnoth-ABC into lang XY"
20101118 11:34:00< Ivanovic> but this has to be done by the translation maintainers who have not yet responded to my mail some days ago
20101118 11:35:04< boucman> if you see fendrin could you ask him to do that for the playtesting thing, so we have some correct tasks when GCI starts ? i'll try to add some more when I get back in france on the 24
20101118 11:39:25< Ivanovic> okay
20101118 11:39:35< Ivanovic> that is: fendrin so far added one playtesting task for low
20101118 11:39:53< Ivanovic> it has to be approved/published (can probably only done by admins), but yeah, that's about it
20101118 11:40:06< Ivanovic> plus the AI task that Crab_ added (has to be approved/published, too)
20101118 11:42:03< Crab_> I'll recheck what's written there about the AI task and I'll probably add some more
20101118 11:42:24< boucman> actually i'm the one that added the ai task to melange by copy pasting the wiki
20101118 11:43:17< boucman> Ivanovic: and as admin we can publish tasks, I didn't do it because I wasn't sure fendrin was ready for that and there were no emergency, but if/when it's ready, let's go for it
20101118 11:43:57< Ivanovic> boucman: currently writing a mail to wesnoth-dev and wesnoth-i18n as reminder and request for people helping
20101118 11:44:27< boucman> ok, sounds good
20101118 11:50:35< Ivanovic> sent
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20101118 11:57:24< Rhonda> When is 1.9.3 expected?
20101118 11:57:45< Ivanovic> no idea yet
20101118 11:57:55< Rhonda> Fine with that. Just curious.
20101118 11:59:01< boucman> ok, need to leave now... i'll try to join tomorow
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20101118 13:41:15< Soliton> someone familiar with setting up a jabber server?
20101118 13:42:36< dtiger> i set up ejabberd on lan
20101118 13:43:15< Soliton> trying to setup jabberd2 on suse atm.
20101118 13:43:33< Soliton> seems hard to find some simple docs on what to configure after install.
20101118 13:43:54< Soliton> and of course it doesn't simple work after install.
20101118 13:45:38< Soliton> guess i will try ejabberd next.
20101118 13:46:22< dtiger> http://www.jabberdoc.org/FrontPage ?
20101118 13:48:03< Soliton> yeah, followed the quickstart guide there and now it doesn't start at all. :-)
20101118 13:51:47< dtiger> so if you have not reason to stuck with jabber2 then try ejabberd, it is easy, i installed it few times, on slackware and windows
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20101118 14:05:56< Rhonda> Soliton: I did set up ejabberd.
20101118 14:06:03< Rhonda> .. and maintaint he package in Debian. :P
20101118 14:06:17< Rhonda> Isn't jabberd2 a dead project?
20101118 14:06:35 * Soliton has no idea.
20101118 14:06:43< Soliton> trying to setup ejabberd now.
20101118 14:06:55< Soliton> my client says it can't do registration.
20101118 14:07:01< Rhonda> If you want soliton@wesnoth.org as Jabber-ID, let me know. :P
20101118 14:07:20< Rhonda> Did you enable inbound registration in ejabberd.cfg? I think it's disabled by default.
20101118 14:07:32< Soliton> it's work internal stuff i'm trying to setup.
20101118 14:08:01< Rhonda> Right, we did set it up at my former workplace and hooked it into the ldap setup.
20101118 14:08:06< Soliton> {access, register, [{allow, all}]}.
20101118 14:08:15< Soliton> that should allow registreation?
20101118 14:08:22< dtiger> right
20101118 14:08:44< Soliton> the client i use is psi+, btw.
20101118 14:09:04< Soliton> are there restrictions on how my account name needs to look?
20101118 14:09:29< dtiger> what is the host name
20101118 14:09:33< Soliton> like account@server.name or something.
20101118 14:09:36< Rhonda> the host should obviously match an entry in your {hosts} configuration
20101118 14:10:03 * Rhonda . o O ( to some degrees of a definition of the term obvious )
20101118 14:10:25 * Soliton has not much clue about jabber so far.
20101118 14:10:47< Rhonda> At the top of the config file there should be the hosts configuration.
20101118 14:11:07< Soliton> yeah, i have the hostname set in there.
20101118 14:11:21< Soliton> think i need to reread the config though.
20101118 14:11:31< Rhonda> Then it should work if you choose that.
20101118 14:11:44< Rhonda> Depending on client you have to either give the full JID or split it.
20101118 14:12:07< Rhonda> And have an extra field for server to connect to, in case you haven't set the according SRV dns records for the domain.
20101118 14:14:21< Soliton> ok, looks like i registered now! \o/
20101118 14:14:30< dtiger> :)
20101118 14:14:46< Soliton> recommendations on jabber clients?
20101118 14:14:54< stikonas> Ivanovic: I submitted one translation task for GCI.
20101118 14:15:06< Soliton> command line would be best probably.
20101118 14:16:23< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: have you read http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=32115 ?
20101118 14:16:27< dtiger> i use psi, and for console - mcabber
20101118 14:16:32< Rhonda> Soliton: pidgin, minbif for irssi
20101118 14:17:03< Rhonda> actually pidgin (gui) comes with finch, never used that
20101118 14:17:40< Soliton> ok, thanks.
20101118 14:17:51< Rhonda> But minbif lets you hook it directly into irssi. :)
20101118 14:18:06< Soliton> bitlbee can do jabber too, i think.
20101118 14:20:31< Gambit> shadowmaster: I once asked if any of the relevant people were around. He said they don't use IRC.
20101118 14:20:45< Gambit> I don't know if he contacted them some other way though.
20101118 14:21:11< shadowmaster> Gambit: right, if by relevant people you mean the language maintainer.
20101118 14:21:22< Rhonda> Soliton: Right, but minbif is to bitlbee what gitolite is to gitosis :)
20101118 14:21:33< Gambit> Hmmm perhaps he was being sarcastic with me.
20101118 14:22:49< Gambit> Nah.
20101118 14:22:54< Gambit> Off to class.
20101118 14:23:39< shadowmaster> and I'm off to watch a movie.
20101118 14:24:11< Rhonda> off to the dentist?  *cries*
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20101118 14:32:33< m4k3r> Buondì
20101118 14:34:51< m4k3r> help
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20101118 14:57:34< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: i have seen the thread but am *really* unsure what to do about it
20101118 14:57:47< Ivanovic> splitting an "external" font into subfonts is a no go
20101118 14:58:04< Ivanovic> what would probably help would be some way to define the fontsize on a "per translation" basis
20101118 14:58:47< Ivanovic> stikonas: how much work are those missing unit descriptions?
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20101118 14:59:04< Ivanovic> stikonas: do you think those are doable in 2 to 8h?
20101118 14:59:11< Ivanovic> (yeah, i know that unit descriptions are just a small number of strings, but a huge amount of work)
20101118 15:00:02< Ivanovic> stikonas: beside this it sounds good to me
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20101118 15:31:57< sl33k_> Crab_, hi
20101118 15:32:21< Crab_> hi
20101118 15:32:46< sl33k_> Crab_: is it required to use a debugger?
20101118 15:33:41< Crab_> sl33k_: no. generally, even when tracking bugs, print-style debugging might yield better results than using a debugger. it depends on how you prefer to do things.
20101118 15:33:50< sl33k_> Crab_: the load_map_dialog calls load_map(), so is the problem in those two? 
20101118 15:35:26< Crab_> sl33k_: depends on what happens there. for example, a good question to ask is "what's the value of 'fn' as returned by dialogs::show_file_chooser_dialog" ?
20101118 15:36:37< Crab_> sl33k_: i.e, if dialogs::show_file_chooser_dialog makes fn to be a 'existing file', then load_map is not guilty of anything, and the problem is in that dialog
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20101118 15:37:03< Crab_> sl33k_: since if it's told to load a file and loads it, there's nothing wrong with that and bug happens earlier
20101118 15:38:07< Crab_> so, even without a debugger, statements like 'std::cerr <<"FN BEFORE CALL TO FOO'" ' or a log statement showing the value of fn, would help to find what's going on there.
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20101118 15:38:37< Crab_> sl33k_:  but, if you compile a debug build, you can use a debugger to get that value during runtime.
20101118 15:38:46< sl33k_> Crab_: so it can be anywhere in the editor module?
20101118 15:40:26< Crab_> sl33k_: potentially, yes, but there's no need to look anywhere in the editor module, if you can track the issue from some function which is called when you reproduce the bug.
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20101118 15:46:42< Ivanovic> sl33k_: my general experience that unless you know using a debugger really well it is often by far faster to plaster the place with printf commands for debugging
20101118 15:47:04< Ivanovic> and this way getting a better idea what is going wrong
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20101118 16:05:58< stikonas> Ivanovic: yeah, I think that this should be doable in some 6 to 8 hours
20101118 16:06:10< Ivanovic> stikonas: okay
20101118 16:06:13< stikonas> a couple of them are already done,
20101118 16:06:23< stikonas> I think Humans and Elves are already translated
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20101118 17:48:37< fendrin> AI0867: Thank you very much for doing the sync.
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20101118 19:35:18< timotei> hmm, trying to do space invaders game in assembly rocks
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20101118 20:49:33< zookeeper> i bet no one who has anything to do with the new fire dragon is gonna fix the fact that it's now missing all its animation WML.
20101118 20:51:37< fendrin> zookeeper: And there is also no animation images, so is that even needed?
20101118 20:52:32< zookeeper> fendrin, yes
20101118 20:56:22< AI0867> [animation] apply_to=long,list [frame] image=foo.png [/frame] [/animation]
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20101118 22:20:44< CIA-86> ai0867 * r47589 /trunk/src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp: Remove python validation from campaignd
20101118 22:21:05< CIA-86> ai0867 * r47590 /trunk/data/tools/ (wesnoth/campaignserver_client.py wesnoth_addon_manager): Remove referenes to python validation from wesnoth_addon_manager
20101118 22:21:08< CIA-86> ai0867 * r47591 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Remove usage of binary_wml
20101118 22:21:13< CIA-86> ai0867 * r47592 /trunk/ (15 files in 7 dirs): Get rid of binary WML
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20101118 23:31:10< stikonas> Ivanovic: I have a patch that fixes lots of spelling mistakes: http://stikonas.homelinux.org/files/spelling.diff
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20101118 23:55:15< Ivanovic> stikonas: since many of those spelling fixes are in "untranslateable areas": submit it to patches.wesnoth.org and let "someone" have a look at it
20101118 23:55:24< Ivanovic> "someone" is really good with this stuff, you know...
20101118 23:55:25< Ivanovic> ;)
20101118 23:55:48< stikonas> the one whose nick has 3 letters?
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20101118 23:57:59< stikonas> esr: https://gna.org/patch/index.php?2213
20101118 23:58:15< Ivanovic> stikonas: could be him, could be boucman, could be anyone
20101118 23:59:36< Ivanovic> stikonas: though it would be best if the patch was split in three parts if applicable
20101118 23:59:50< Ivanovic> 1) changes to translateable strings (including pofix.py entries for those)
20101118 23:59:55< Ivanovic> 2) changes in comments
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