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20101121 02:04:29< boucman> hey all
20101121 02:04:36< shadowmaster> hi there
20101121 02:05:04< boucman> Espreon: looking for me ?
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20101121 02:27:58< stikonas> boucman: hi, maybe you can look at this patch? https://gna.org/patch/index.php?2213
20101121 02:28:31< stikonas> spelling.diff file fixes lots of spelling mistakes :)
20101121 02:29:32< boucman> stikonas: i'm away from my computer until the 23, and i'm not a native speaker, so if it's only sp, you might want to ping someone else ( esr is our native language expert)
20101121 02:30:50< stikonas> esr: then maybe you can look/apply the patch that I made yesterday?
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20101121 02:32:35< stikonas> since it changes some function names, the more it waits, the higher the chance that more misspelled functions will be used and the patch won't fix them then.
20101121 02:33:11< boucman> stikonas: oh, it's typo in the code.. (or is it wml ?
20101121 02:33:23< stikonas> boucman: in the code
20101121 02:33:31< stikonas> and *lots of them*
20101121 02:33:51< stikonas> the patch is 106 KB
20101121 02:34:04< shadowmaster> I can apply it.
20101121 02:34:07< stikonas> I think that there are approxiamtely 200 fixes
20101121 02:34:18< boucman> shadowmaster: thx
20101121 02:35:10< shadowmaster> stikonas: I assume #11277 and #11275 superseded the other two patches?
20101121 02:35:22< stikonas> shadowmaster: you can just apply spelling.diff
20101121 02:35:40< stikonas> Ivanovic asked me to provide patches that change just comments and just function names
20101121 02:35:58< stikonas> but I hope spelling.diff should work fine
20101121 02:36:05< stikonas> at least it compiled yesterday
20101121 02:36:35< stikonas> so #11274 would do the job
20101121 02:37:13< stikonas> (#11274= #11277+#11275)
20101121 02:37:20< shadowmaster> patching file src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp
20101121 02:37:20< shadowmaster> Hunk #1 FAILED at 309.
20101121 02:37:20< shadowmaster> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp.rej
20101121 02:37:32< shadowmaster> also patching file src/serialization/binary_wml.cpp
20101121 02:37:42< stikonas> is that 11274?
20101121 02:37:45< shadowmaster> I'll see if I can resolve those myself
20101121 02:37:52< stikonas> probably something changed today
20101121 02:37:52< shadowmaster> yes
20101121 02:39:21< shadowmaster> the faulty chunk in campaign_server.cpp is due to removed code it seems
20101121 02:39:35< shadowmaster> same for src/serialization/binary_wml.cpp
20101121 02:39:59< shadowmaster> in fact, the latter ceased to exist :)
20101121 02:40:04< stikonas> :)
20101121 02:40:25< stikonas> the patch is quite large, so I am not suprised that one day caused a few conflicts
20101121 02:40:41< shadowmaster> that should be all. It'll take a while to compile now.
20101121 02:42:33< boucman> Ivanovic: i just accepted the japanese maintainer as a GCI mentor, just so you know
20101121 02:42:36< boucman> wesbot: seen noy
20101121 02:42:37< wesbot> boucman: The person with the nick noy last spoke 10d 19h ago.  19h 9m ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Quit: noy
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20101121 02:45:05< CIA-86> espreon * r47607 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/ (4 files): Fixed screw up.
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20101121 02:57:29< CIA-86> shadowmaster * r47608 /trunk/ (149 files in 23 dirs): Apply patch #2213 by stikonas, using file #11274
20101121 02:59:21< stikonas> thanks
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20101121 02:59:36< shadowmaster> no problem
20101121 03:11:39< Gambit> noy: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=32236
20101121 03:11:49< Gambit> thespaceinvader: ^^^
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20101121 06:51:17< sl33k__> showing 1 error during build http://pastebin.com/CNeJ8M97
20101121 06:52:13< shadowmaster> you've got amd64 and x86 architecture object code files mixed up
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20101121 07:13:19< sl33k__> shadowmaster, so how to resolve this error
20101121 07:13:42< shadowmaster> rebuilding everything from scratch would be a good idea
20101121 07:14:01< shadowmaster> scons -c  is the equivalent of  'make clean' for that purpose
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20101121 07:57:30< Espreon> ... and it would appear that the new editor cursor leaves behind artifacts when zoomed in/out.
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20101121 10:03:52< Espreon> fendrin: He should just have to download a fixed version of the file and update references.
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20101121 10:47:05< Ivanovic> moin
20101121 10:52:11< Ivanovic> Crab_: what is the status of "AI recruitment algorithm"?
20101121 10:52:30< Ivanovic> Crab_: that is: there is something mentioned about "we will provide a program and you have to fill in something"
20101121 10:52:55< Ivanovic> Crab_: i am currently going through the shabby list of just 6 taskss so far publishing the ones that really are done
20101121 10:53:47< Ivanovic> fendrin: i'll change the deadline you listed for playtesting LoW to the normal google amount (being "time it should require * 12" so that about 2h per days are worked on th stuff)
20101121 10:55:24< Ivanovic> fendrin: your task still needs some lines about "how to test stuff"
20101121 10:55:52< Ivanovic> (since it is a multiplayer campaign you have to mention that several instances of wesnoth will be required, stuff like this
20101121 11:00:01< Espreon> Ivanovic: Oh, I wanted to start whipping up tasks for the slave children... er... partakers. So far, I can only think of making the manual conform to the style guide and porting events in stuff to custom events. For the former, can't I just make the task name simply be something like "Make manual conform to the style guide", or is even this too extensive?
20101121 11:00:24< Ivanovic> Espreon: add "get manual up to date" to the list
20101121 11:00:46< Ivanovic> Espreon: the task should be listed rather specific
20101121 11:01:00< Ivanovic> it should mention what should be done and how to get the required information
20101121 11:01:26< Ivanovic> (don't expect the students to join #wesnoth-dev or at least *ask* them in the task to join the chan and ask user ABC for more details)
20101121 11:03:14< iwontbecreative> They are already there :)
20101121 11:03:39< iwontbecreative> Btw, where can I find the name of the french translation manager ?
20101121 11:04:25< Ivanovic> in the wiki
20101121 11:04:30< iwontbecreative> Ok
20101121 11:04:36< Ivanovic> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothTranslations
20101121 11:04:40< Espreon> Ivanovic: Do you think ten hours is reasonable?
20101121 11:04:51< Ivanovic> Espreon: those are deadline values
20101121 11:05:09< Ivanovic> you should take the amount of time *you* think reasonable and multiply it by 12
20101121 11:05:23< Ivanovic> don't expect students to work more than 2h per day on the stuff
20101121 11:05:51< Ivanovic> and personally i'd prefer splitting the task into two
20101121 11:06:05< Ivanovic> that is: task 1: update the manual to reflect the current game rules
20101121 11:06:31< Ivanovic> and task 2 (unpublished at the start of gci, published once 1 is done): update the manual to conform the new style guide
20101121 11:09:40< Espreon> Ivanovic: How 'bout half a month?
20101121 11:10:03< Ivanovic> "half a month" for what?
20101121 11:10:39< Espreon> To bring it up to date; of course, I have the expectation that the writing doesn't suck.
20101121 11:11:26< Ivanovic> i'd say that it should be possible to do in 2 to 8h
20101121 11:12:05< Ivanovic> 8h would be a "deadline" of 96h, lets say 120h to get some additional padding in
20101121 11:12:26< Ivanovic> (we can always extend the time if the student eg does tell us "i need a little more"
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20101121 11:15:52< Espreon> Ivanovic: .... OK... what time should I put in the field? (I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused, tired, lonely, and hungry right now)
20101121 11:16:16< Ivanovic> "lots of time"
20101121 11:16:22< Ivanovic> this field is a DEADLINE
20101121 11:16:33< Ivanovic> aka "when not done in this amount of hours, you lost!"
20101121 11:16:47< Ivanovic> and students atm still got school and strange stuff like this
20101121 11:17:15< Ivanovic> so in 24h (listed in the field) you should not expect more than 2h of work being done
20101121 11:17:29< Ivanovic> the system of gci is rather strange
20101121 11:17:34< Ivanovic> (compared to gsoc)
20101121 11:17:51< Espreon> 361: half a month and a day shall be given. Grand?
20101121 11:17:51< Ivanovic> at gci the project has *no* say who the student working on things might be
20101121 11:18:12< Ivanovic> and every task can only be done exactly once
20101121 11:18:25< Ivanovic> so a student has to claim a task, it is then his task until the time is over
20101121 11:18:38< Espreon> No, silly me.
20101121 11:18:44< Ivanovic> if it is finished in time: good, if not: he loses the task and someone else can claim it
20101121 11:18:52< Espreon> 360 hours: a month and an hour shall be given.
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20101121 11:19:02< Espreon> Get out of my head, Wife of Bath...
20101121 11:19:04< Ivanovic> (while the task is claimed it is *exclusive* for this very student)
20101121 11:19:27< Ivanovic> Espreon: 360h sounds too much to me, simply because the task is too big if you need more than 2 to 8h
20101121 11:19:39< Ivanovic> ("in real and working time")
20101121 11:19:56< Ivanovic> i'd say that the maximum listed should be 120h
20101121 11:20:07< Espreon> Aaaha... I screwed up again... 361 hours were to be given. I need to get to bed soon...
20101121 11:20:11< Espreon> Now...
20101121 11:20:11< Ivanovic> if you think the task requires more than 8h you should split it in two
20101121 11:21:10< Espreon> Ivanovic: Make a time for me to list; this is driving me batshit insane; I want to get this done now.
20101121 11:21:34< Ivanovic> Espreon: how long do you think it takes working on the task?
20101121 11:21:46< Ivanovic> how many hours of "real work" do you think it is?
20101121 11:23:51< Espreon> Well, first, the man would need to do research and shit, look at the manual and determine what it wants, do the writing, make sure it doesn't suck, and then send the shit to whomever... so... I'd say... at least a day.
20101121 11:24:32< Ivanovic> a "day" means a "standard fulltime working day as in IT", right?
20101121 11:24:36< Ivanovic> so about 8h?
20101121 11:24:54< Ivanovic> then use 120h (8*12 + 1day puffer) as time
20101121 11:25:14< Espreon> No, a day as in twenty-four hours.
20101121 11:25:30< Ivanovic> then the task is too big, got to split it into sections
20101121 11:25:39< Espreon> ...?
20101121 11:25:50< Ivanovic> a task musn't take more than 8h!
20101121 11:25:56< Ivanovic> general rule for GCI tasks
20101121 11:26:20< Espreon> Whatever, 120 it is.
20101121 11:26:42< Ivanovic> (those are supposed to be "smaller jobs" and students get paid 100$ for 3 tasks completed, with this there is *no* seperation between easy and difficult tasks, task requiring 2h and tasks requiring 8h)
20101121 11:27:23< Espreon> I don't see how my task could be properly split unless a student can take both.
20101121 11:30:24< Espreon> Ivanovic: OK.... would this set up please whomever: "Find out what manual lacks and report", "Update manual based on X data", and "Update manual based on Y data"?
20101121 11:30:41< Ivanovic> Espreon: sounds good
20101121 11:30:52< Ivanovic> yeah, a student can take several tasks
20101121 11:31:09< Ivanovic> that is: only one at a time, but after one is done, the next can be taken
20101121 11:34:10< Espreon> Ivanovic: A month shall be dedicated to the complete thing, thus 120 hours to each task... Good?
20101121 11:34:23< Ivanovic> yeah
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20101121 11:36:10< Espreon> No, wait, that was half a month... Blargh, whatever.
20101121 11:36:46< Espreon> I really need to pay attention to what I do...
20101121 11:38:07< Ivanovic> get some sleep first
20101121 11:38:16< Ivanovic> lets talk about the stuff after you had some sleep
20101121 11:39:24< Espreon> Nah, I want to stay up for... eight more hours. I haven't even been up for twelve hours.
20101121 11:39:45< Espreon> I'll just drink some yummy green tea.
20101121 11:41:40< Espreon> .... and eat cloves of yummy garlic.
20101121 11:41:48< Espreon> Ivanovic: So, let us... continue.
20101121 11:42:59< Ivanovic> i'll take a shower first, trying to finally wake up
20101121 11:43:23< Espreon> Very well...
20101121 11:44:53< Espreon> Yeah, 'tis break... gotta get back on a crepuscular/nocturnal sleep pattern to avoid my batshit insane family.
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20101121 11:50:12< Espreon> Ugh... that particular piece of garlic... was extremely powerful...
20101121 11:51:03< Espreon> It actually stung my tongue.
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20101121 12:18:49< Ivanovic> re
20101121 12:22:14< CIA-86> ivanovic * r47609 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): updated German translation
20101121 12:31:14< Espreon> Ivanovic: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/RtyxwYgF — Good?
20101121 12:33:37< Ivanovic> Espreon: under "time" list something like "the research work likely takes up to 8 hours of real time"
20101121 12:33:48< Ivanovic> Espreon: the students do see the 120h deadline additionally to this
20101121 12:34:37< Ivanovic> Espreon: regarding the writing part: why not explicitly mention that several things can likely just be copied from the game files?
20101121 12:34:47< Ivanovic> (eg ability descriptions and whatnot that we list in the manual)
20101121 12:35:09< Ivanovic> and honestly i'd say that the difficulty is easy to moderate
20101121 12:35:45< Espreon> Very well.
20101121 12:35:46< Ivanovic> right, please also list based on what the user should "research" (mentioning that at least 1.9.2 should be used since we don't care too much about "stable" atm)
20101121 12:36:06< Ivanovic> beside this: yeah, that is basically what you should put into the google tracker, sounds sane to me
20101121 12:36:43< eoc> question, why are te abilities 'n stuff listed twice actually?
20101121 12:37:19< eoc> can't really imagine lots of people browsing the manual to get these stats when also available ingame
20101121 12:37:37< Ivanovic> eoc: it is meant to be a "real" manual
20101121 12:37:52< Ivanovic> eoc: and a real manual should cover those rules
20101121 12:38:13< eoc> well, redundancy at some points bloats a bit
20101121 12:38:47< Ivanovic> eoc: you know, something easily browsable on your computer just to read things is different from something you read in the ingame help
20101121 12:39:32< eoc> agreed -- but then you might think of having *one* source and extracting both occurences (ingame and manual) of that
20101121 12:39:57< Ivanovic> eoc: not easily doable since eg the translations have to be done somehow, too
20101121 12:39:57< eoc> instead of copypasting stuff (this always leads to one part getting outdated without anybody noticing)
20101121 12:40:29< Ivanovic> eoc: and personally i don't know a *good* way to automatically get the stuff extracted and used for the manual in some sane way
20101121 12:41:05< Ivanovic> (sane meaning that it is easy to edit, nicely usable via common tools to extract translations and whatnot)
20101121 12:44:36< Espreon> Ivanovic: I'm not going to mention that. This man is to write a report on what the manual wants.
20101121 12:44:43< Espreon> What it wants does not exist.
20101121 12:45:00< Espreon> ... unless... we also want to extend it to what needs fixing.
20101121 12:45:25< Ivanovic> personally i'd even say that this task does *not* require good english
20101121 12:45:38< Ivanovic> since you "just" need to point out things that are wrong as well as listing things that are missing
20101121 12:46:01< Ivanovic> the next part would be writing/adding parts based on what was found in the report (for this the resulting english has to be good)
20101121 12:46:42< Ivanovic> IMO a "good" report would already be saying the section combined with "description for ABC outdated" or "ability XYZ not mentioned"
20101121 12:46:52< Ivanovic> no need for complete and large texts in it
20101121 12:50:26< Espreon> I'll just put it as "The ability to understand and write in English"; are we all happy now?
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20101121 12:50:46< Ivanovic> yeah
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20101121 13:00:44< Espreon> Ivanovic: OK, it is in teh tracker.
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20101121 13:09:50< Ivanovic> Espreon: okay, added another tag ("Research") and approved+published the task
20101121 13:10:00< Espreon> Excellent.
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20101121 13:14:23< Espreon> Ivanovic: Now, I wish for a slave child to convert lots of events in all of our content to custom events. Should I make tasks like "Convert events to custom events in The Tale of Two Brothers" or what?
20101121 13:14:33< Espreon> *for slave children
20101121 13:15:45< fendrin> Espreon: Aren't the participants paid?
20101121 13:15:48< Ivanovic> yes, something along those lines
20101121 13:16:01< Ivanovic> also including something like "what this means", just as with the manual
20101121 13:16:07< Ivanovic> fendrin: yes, they are
20101121 13:16:22< fendrin> So no slaves.
20101121 13:16:23< Espreon> That is, if they complete enough tasks.
20101121 13:16:32< Ivanovic> fendrin: but slaves are somehow "paid", too, they tend to get some place where they sleep as well as some (tiny) amounts of food
20101121 13:16:33< Ivanovic> ;)
20101121 13:17:41< fendrin> Yeah, well. I think calling them slaves on a public channel might hamper their motivation.
20101121 13:18:01< Ivanovic> okay, "new contributors"
20101121 13:18:42< fendrin> :-)
20101121 13:18:48< Espreon> Well, I like to refer to them as "partakers".
20101121 13:18:56< Espreon> ... for they are partaking in this program.
20101121 13:19:12< Ivanovic> fendrin: you saw my comment?
20101121 13:19:27< Ivanovic> fendrin: and feel free to already add as many additional playtesting tasks as you can find
20101121 13:19:43< Ivanovic> (for campaigns and whatnot that "belong" to you)
20101121 13:20:55< Grimling> where can I find the tasks for the GCI?
20101121 13:20:58< fendrin> Yes, I will let another hour pass to concentrate my mental forces after the long night and start doing some wesnoth related stuff.
20101121 13:21:12< Ivanovic> Grimling: i don't know exactly how it works for students
20101121 13:21:31< Ivanovic> Grimling: our general "page" in the google tracker is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gci/org/home/google/gci2010/wesnoth
20101121 13:21:41< Grimling> Ivanovic: thanks
20101121 13:21:43< Espreon> Ivanovic: Shall I just trample on everyone's toes when making these tasks? Only 
20101121 13:21:51< Espreon> "UtBS" "belongs" to me.
20101121 13:21:53< Ivanovic> you should read the FAQ and the rules regarding gci: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2010/faqs
20101121 13:21:53< Grimling> Ivanovic: probably they will be visible tomorrow, when the contest starts
20101121 13:22:03< Ivanovic> Grimling: likely
20101121 13:22:34< Ivanovic> Espreon: when creating the tasks you should be able to review the stuff sent in and the "real" maintainer should be aware of it
20101121 13:22:41< Espreon> All right.
20101121 13:22:58< Ivanovic> Espreon: the matter is that someone needs to review the work submitted
20101121 13:23:17< Espreon> Of course.
20101121 13:23:42< Espreon> For now, I shall make one for LoW.
20101121 13:24:19< Ivanovic> Espreon: if you know some good tasks for two brothers: feel free to add them, too
20101121 13:24:35< Espreon> Heh, I never really played it.
20101121 13:24:40< Ivanovic> Espreon: that is: personally i consider the campaign basically done and don't have any plans on changing it
20101121 13:24:55< Ivanovic> you should be able to play through it in less than 5h
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20101121 13:25:06< Espreon> Ivanovic: Problem is that I suck at the game.
20101121 13:25:28< Ivanovic> Espreon: even when :droid'ing you do win the missions!
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20101121 13:25:34< Ivanovic> it is an *easy* campaign
20101121 13:25:40< Ivanovic> (at least on "easy")
20101121 13:26:38< Espreon> Meh, you'd be surprised.
20101121 13:27:14< Ivanovic> i say it this way: before i worked on polishing and including it in mainline the internationalization managers lil daughter (4 years old) won the scenarios!
20101121 13:27:37< Espreon> Again, you'd be surprised.
20101121 13:27:40< Ivanovic> (yeah, that was *far* before the release of 1.0, a time when i was not "the" internationalization manager)
20101121 13:29:06< zookeeper> Espreon, meh, converting stuff to custom events isn't very important IMO. it's not really any more readable than the old way of using macros.
20101121 13:29:27 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20101121 13:29:35< Espreon> Dude, fire/throw!
20101121 13:29:44< Espreon> That's the entire point.
20101121 13:30:31< zookeeper> oh, right.
20101121 13:30:48< zookeeper> i guess it's slightly more convenient that way.
20101121 13:31:16< Espreon> Besides, using custom events and [fire_event] instead of macros puts less strain on the preprocessor.
20101121 13:31:35< Ivanovic> and should decrease memory usage when parsing!
20101121 13:32:04< Espreon> YAY!
20101121 13:32:13< fendrin> hmmm, well. Macros have their uses and custom events have them.
20101121 13:32:25< Ivanovic> fendrin: yes
20101121 13:32:48< Espreon> fendrin: Of course.
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20101121 13:32:49< fendrin> esr: ping
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20101121 13:32:50< Ivanovic> fendrin: macros are *great* to reduce code duplication where you would just put exactly the same stuff
20101121 13:33:00< Ivanovic> eg unit descriptions with their special abilities
20101121 13:33:06< Ivanovic> for this macros are *perfect*
20101121 13:33:37< fendrin> esr seems to busy lately. Can someone confirm an assertion that make lint balls out when passing through LoW.
20101121 13:33:41< fendrin> ?
20101121 13:34:49< Espreon> Ugh, damn, I forgot an essential part to the task.
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20101121 13:42:50< anonymissimus> Does someone know whether and if yes, when, are variables such as second_unit (e.g in a moveto event) cleared ?
20101121 13:43:19< anonymissimus> (unless cleared manually - never did that however)
20101121 13:44:56< fendrin> I think about implementing something that is written in the drake's race description.
20101121 13:45:03< Espreon> Oh?
20101121 13:45:52< fendrin> "Where possible, they make use of terrain features such as hills, mountains and trees as lauch points in order to gain greater height and speed.
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20101121 13:46:24< zookeeper> anonymissimus, no idea, but probably right after the event ends or something?
20101121 13:47:43< zookeeper> fendrin, implementing what?
20101121 13:48:34< fendrin> The drake units that can fly gain one MP when starting the turn from hill or mountain.
20101121 13:49:04< zookeeper> uh...
20101121 13:49:38< fendrin> Not for multiplayer, only a campaign specific feature.
20101121 13:53:56< zookeeper> well, in that case go ahead...
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20101121 14:09:30< anonymissimus> zookeeper: my "when" rather refers to the point the c++ code, not wml
20101121 14:10:54< Espreon> Ivanovic: Do you think thirty hours is reasonable for converting the events in LoW that should be converted?
20101121 14:11:03< Espreon> fendrin: ^
20101121 14:11:06< Ivanovic> Espreon: no idea
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20101121 14:12:04< fendrin> events in LoW converted? hmmm
20101121 14:14:15< fendrin> I don't know if there is much to be converted and I would rather like such things to be done by wml wizards and not by participants.
20101121 14:15:20< Espreon> Oh, I bet there's plenty.
20101121 14:15:25< Espreon> It's not that complicated.
20101121 14:15:52< Espreon> You just take what's there, move it to new events, and put [fire_event] codeblock in the old events.
20101121 14:15:57< Espreon> *codeblocks
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20101121 14:21:20< Ivanovic> Espreon: sounds like something that could be nicely split on a "per scenario" basis
20101121 14:21:30< Ivanovic> Espreon: since the result should be tested, too
20101121 14:21:50< Espreon> OK.
20101121 14:22:59< Espreon> I'll make tasks like: "Convert events in the scenarios one to five to custom events" and give about ten hours for each task.
20101121 14:23:12< Espreon> *in scenarios one to five in X
20101121 14:24:15< Espreon> Ivanovic: Sounds good?
20101121 14:37:17< Espreon> ... Well, bye for now...
20101121 14:37:30< fendrin> I don't want that for LoW. The campaign was recoded during a time where fire_event was already implemented and I used it where appropriate.
20101121 14:38:20< fendrin> I can't see much profit in that task but it will surely introduce much bug and need many hours of playtesting.
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20101121 14:49:34< mordante> servus
20101121 14:49:38< Espreon> fendrin: Very well...
20101121 14:49:48< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe.
20101121 14:49:52< mordante> hi Espreon 
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20101121 15:02:22< AI0867> time to recompile I guess
20101121 15:02:57< mordante> sounds like a plan ;-)
20101121 15:05:00< AI0867> In file included from src/game_display.hpp:30, from src/tests/utils/play_scenario.cpp:23:
20101121 15:05:04< AI0867> src/display.hpp:759: error: wrong number of template arguments (1, should be 2)
20101121 15:05:07< AI0867> /usr/include/boost/detail/container_fwd.hpp:79: error: provided for ‘template<class T, class Allocator> struct std::list’
20101121 15:05:11< AI0867> In file included from src/game_display.hpp:30, from src/tests/utils/play_scenario.cpp:23:
20101121 15:05:14< AI0867> src/display.hpp:832: error: wrong number of template arguments (1, should be 2)
20101121 15:05:18< AI0867> /usr/include/boost/detail/container_fwd.hpp:79: error: provided for ‘template<class T, class Allocator> struct std::list’
20101121 15:05:23< AI0867> g++ 4.4.5
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20101121 15:06:05< AI0867> boost 1.42
20101121 15:07:57< mordante> hmm odd works for me with 4.3, let me start my VM see whether it there also fails
20101121 15:08:25< Espreon> zookeeper: You don't mind if I make event conversion tasks for all the campaigns that you maintain?
20101121 15:11:01< Gambit> Fails here. Same g++ version and errors as AI.
20101121 15:11:04< zookeeper> Espreon, sure, go ahead, if you mentor that and make sure nothing gets broken
20101121 15:11:13< Espreon> Very well.
20101121 15:11:52< Gambit> (using scons)
20101121 15:13:02< mordante> same here with 4.4 testing a fix now
20101121 15:17:49< CIA-86> zookeeper * r47672 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/castle/sand/castle-concave-tl.png: Fixed a remaining purple-roofed tile.
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20101121 15:32:59< CIA-86> mordante * r47673 /trunk/src/ (display.hpp side_filter.hpp): Add some headers for g++-4.4.
20101121 15:33:46< mordante> AI0867, Gambit ^
20101121 15:38:55< loonycyborg> mordante: Please don't clean system #includes . Different headers can include/not include each other depending on compiler and even compiler version as you see.
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20101121 15:42:14< loonycyborg> Even if different gcc versions break then what could happen on msvc or icc.
20101121 15:42:48< mordante> loonycyborg, normally I only remove them when they are included through another header, but these two slipped through
20101121 15:46:28< loonycyborg> Understood.
20101121 15:49:35< anonymissimus> I will soon complain if something happens on MSVC :P
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20101121 15:55:04< Gambit> mordante: good here
20101121 15:56:36< mordante> thanks Gambit 
20101121 15:59:04< Espreon> Bye for now...
20101121 16:13:35< anonymissimus> my built systems work
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20101121 17:28:50< shadowmaster> hi mordante 
20101121 17:31:34< mordante> hi shadowmaster 
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20101121 17:51:22< m4k3r> So, for now, the only coding task for Wesnoth in Google CodeIn is the one about AIs? :\
20101121 17:54:04< grzywacz> I'd like to give facebook integration a try, but I have no faintest clue what APIs they expose and how to access them. ;-)
20101121 17:55:41< iwontbecreative> From facebook website : Our Platform engineering team has released and maintains open source SDKs for Android, C#, iPhone, JavaScript,PHP, and Python.
20101121 17:56:26< grzywacz> Yes, that's not useful. ;)
20101121 17:57:22< shadowmaster> grzywacz: facebook integration for wesnoth or what?
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20101121 18:05:35< m4k3r> I think that would be a really cool feature.
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20101121 18:10:45< grzywacz> shadowmaster, for wesnoth. I don't even have a facebook account, but maybe auto-posting some achivements or "I'm playing right now" could help advertising the game.
20101121 18:11:00< shadowmaster> huh.
20101121 18:12:03< grzywacz> shadowmaster, aren't they implementing some achivement framework in Frogatto btw?
20101121 18:12:16< shadowmaster> I think so, but I don't know much about it.
20101121 18:12:33< grzywacz> Right. Well, just an idea, maybe even easy to code.
20101121 18:12:53< m4k3r> grzywacz:  I know pretty well python. If someone can guide me through wesnoth, I can try to add this feature as CodeIn task.
20101121 18:13:27< shadowmaster> wesnoth is written in C++ ;)
20101121 18:15:07< m4k3r> shadowmaster:  I know, but i can make an easy interface in python for Facebook, conneced -maybe with something like swig - to the c++ code.
20101121 18:20:54< iwontbecreative>  Well, the problem is that wesnoth is really written in C++
20101121 18:21:07< iwontbecreative> And that they are already problesm with too much scripting languages
20101121 18:21:25< iwontbecreative> They use bash, python (Wmlint) and somewhere perl
20101121 18:23:32< iwontbecreative> So adding more python, even if it was esr proposal, is maybe not the best idea
20101121 18:25:14< m4k3r> Ok.
20101121 18:25:49< loonycyborg> Nope. Adding more scripting languages won't cause birth of a wormhole.
20101121 18:28:52< iwontbecreative>  But there's a librari for twitter in C++
20101121 18:28:58< iwontbecreative> Actually more than one
20101121 18:29:07< iwontbecreative> http://dev.twitter.com/pages/libraries#cplusplus
20101121 18:33:01< m4k3r> iwontbecreative:  one is beta, one is in QT, another HTTP interaction.
20101121 18:33:24< iwontbecreative> I didn't really take a close look at it
20101121 18:34:05< iwontbecreative>  I'm a python programmer aswell :)
20101121 18:37:22< m4k3r> Yeah, my proposal was just an advice for extending coding tasks on GCI page.
20101121 18:39:38< iwontbecreative> Only one coding task, right :)
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20101121 19:06:54< shadowmaster> someone wants to fork (or has already forked) NR: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=32239
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