--- Log opened Fri Nov 26 00:00:06 2010
20101126 00:00:08< Ivanovic> fendrin: slightly wrong quote
20101126 00:00:28< Ivanovic> fendrin: what i said is that we should not expect them to compile wesnoth themselves (which is non trival when on windows)
20101126 00:00:51< Ivanovic> fendrin: and thus we would need some different way for them to get the content tested
20101126 00:01:11< Ivanovic> having it as "easy to get" download for a dev release was a possible soltion since it should be damn easy to do
20101126 00:01:37< Ivanovic> yeah, of course they could use svn to download the campaign from mainline and copy stuff around to replace the one delivered right in the release
20101126 00:02:04< fendrin> Maybe it is a better idea to get them working with svn.
20101126 00:02:14< fendrin> I think that is best for all.
20101126 00:02:34< Ivanovic> just provide a (usable) howto on what they should do
20101126 00:02:55< Ivanovic> assuming that a 13 year old will be able to compile wesnoth on windows is a little utopic though
20101126 00:03:11< Ivanovic> (possibly the same for osx)
20101126 00:03:28< Ivanovic> so for those a usable solution based upon the latest dev release makes most sense IMO
20101126 00:04:02< Ivanovic> anyway, it is time for me to head off to bed, n8
20101126 00:04:56< fendrin> Ivanovic: Got your point. Sleep well.
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20101126 02:47:43< CIA-86> shadowmaster * r47716 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/11_The_Court_of_Karrag.cfg: THoT: display Karrag's portrait to the right, to avoid cropping issues
20101126 02:48:33< CIA-86> shadowmaster * r47717 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/12_The_Underlevels.cfg: THoT: display Karrag's portrait to the right, to avoid cropping issues
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20101126 04:47:23< boucman> to anybody reading the log.... I've just rejected an application from a certain f1ashback/ Svyatoslav Azizov, apprently it's a GCI student that mistakenly applied to be a mentor
20101126 04:47:43< boucman> if he comes around asking why, that's why
20101126 04:58:10< Zacru> Anyone there now?
20101126 04:58:15< janebot> Hey there. I am always there, but I assume you want one of the squishy human-folk...
20101126 04:58:51< Espreon> boucman: Have you had time to look at those bugs?
20101126 04:59:11< boucman> Espreon: no, sorry
20101126 04:59:18< boucman> not until monday
20101126 05:00:12< Espreon> Ah, yes.
20101126 05:00:58< Zacru> Ok. so can I use id= in a goal tag?
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20101126 05:03:37< Espreon> Zacru: Um, id goes in [criteria]
20101126 05:03:49< Espreon> Well, the id of the one being targeted.
20101126 05:03:55< Espreon> With id=
20101126 05:03:59< Espreon> Yeah...
20101126 05:04:08< Zacru> I thought that was side=
20101126 05:05:16< Espreon> ...
20101126 05:05:22< Espreon> Zacru: What are you converting?
20101126 05:06:17< Zacru> I want to use MODIFY_AI_ADD_GOAL and MODIFY_AI_DELETE_GOAL but delete need a GOAL_ID parameter so how do I set the id so I can delete it later?
20101126 05:06:42< Zacru> I'm converting Scepter of Fire scenario "The Dragon"
20101126 05:09:15< Zacru> I just need to know what to put as GOAL_ID to delete the old goal and set a new one.
20101126 05:15:16< Espreon> Zacru: Hmmmmm... what you provide for GOAL_ID is whatever the id of the goal you want to smite is.
20101126 05:18:29< Zacru> Will you check to see if this code will work then: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/HxJnQfp3
20101126 05:19:23< Zacru> What I want it to do is change the goal value to 20, aggression to 1 and caution to 0 after turn 12.
20101126 05:19:41< Zacru> or at the beginning of turn 12
20101126 05:23:38< Espreon> Zacru: That should work.
20101126 05:23:59< Zacru> Ok.  so I don't need to delete the old aspects?
20101126 05:25:02< Espreon> No, you still need to modify/delete/whatever them.
20101126 05:25:10< Espreon> I was saying what you have should work.
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20101126 05:27:00< Zacru> What I have doesn't delete old aspects, it just adds new ones at turn 12.
20101126 05:27:15< Espreon> I know.
20101126 05:45:54< CIA-86> espreon * r47718 /branches/resources/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/: Moved UtBS resources to UtBSE.
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20101126 07:03:16< ancestral> Is it a requirement for each unit's attack to have an icon?
20101126 07:03:57< shadowmaster> no
20101126 07:04:11< ancestral> What gets displayed if an icon doesn't show?
20101126 07:04:21< ancestral> And, should all mainline unit attacks have icons?
20101126 07:05:18< shadowmaster> nothing gets displayed if an icon doesn't show.
20101126 07:05:51< shadowmaster> i.e. the listbox item is simply iconless in the attack dialog. Also, all mainline units are expected to have attack icons I think.
20101126 07:06:00< ancestral> Is the Dwarvish Scout line considered mainline?
20101126 07:06:11< shadowmaster> of course.
20101126 07:06:16< ancestral> They are missing attack icons
20101126 07:06:35< shadowmaster> complain to esr.
20101126 07:06:43< ancestral> Or I'll just make a patch
20101126 07:06:56< shadowmaster> that is a better plan.
20101126 07:07:21< shadowmaster> (mainly because esr might not even read our pleas)
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20101126 07:08:10< ancestral> Dwarvish Fighter doesn't have an icon for its axe attack either
20101126 07:08:18< ancestral> Axes aren't getting any love!
20101126 07:08:32< shadowmaster> uh?
20101126 07:09:07< shadowmaster> ancestral: your copy of Wesnoth is broken or something.
20101126 07:09:17< ancestral> I just did svn up
20101126 07:09:48< ancestral> But I'll check dev release
20101126 07:10:04< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/attack.png  and I'm using svn trunk indeed.
20101126 07:11:24< ancestral> shadowmaster: Go to your trunk and open data/core/units/dwarves/Fighter.cfg
20101126 07:11:46< shadowmaster> ah, hahah.
20101126 07:11:51< ancestral> Under the first attack, should there not be "icon=attacks/axe.png" or the like?
20101126 07:12:06< shadowmaster> Wesnoth tries attackname.png by default, of course
20101126 07:12:17< ancestral> Aha
20101126 07:12:42< ancestral> Thank you
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20101126 07:25:46< Aurora_> can someone help me with fink?
20101126 07:26:37< ancestral> How so?
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20101126 07:27:19< ancestral> Are you trying to build Wesnoth using fink? Because you shouldn't (and don't need to)
20101126 07:30:58< Aurora_> why don't I need to?
20101126 07:31:05< Aurora_> that is what the wiki says to do.
20101126 07:31:14< ancestral> Unfortunately, that's out of date
20101126 07:31:21< ancestral> Yes, it should be updated
20101126 07:31:41< Aurora_> how do you suggest I get automake then?
20101126 07:31:49< Aurora_> I am on Mac btw
20101126 07:33:11< ancestral> Aurora_: Do you see any xcode project files?
20101126 07:33:36< ancestral> Look in projectfiles/Xcode/
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20101126 07:33:48< ancestral> Actually, ironically
20101126 07:33:57< ancestral> crimson_penguin is the one you'd want to talk to
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20101126 10:06:28< Ivanovic> moin
20101126 10:06:59< Crab_> hello
20101126 10:11:51< Ivanovic> Crab_: i think Espreon has run out of assigned tasks, so it might make sense to publish his task about making the ingame manual conform to the style guide
20101126 10:12:40< Ivanovic> the japanese translation task requires some more work (already mailed the maintainer about it)
20101126 10:12:55< Crab_> Ivanovic: only admins can publish tasks ?
20101126 10:13:02< Ivanovic> yes
20101126 10:13:47< Ivanovic> plain mentors can only suggest tasks
20101126 10:13:55< Crab_> ok, done
20101126 10:14:14< Ivanovic> if i see a translation related task that is ready i will approve it and trust in you to publish it when the resources are available (or whatever)
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20101126 10:16:13< bender96> Hello
20101126 10:16:18< Crab_> hi
20101126 10:17:14< bender96> Crab_: Please suggest how {ATTACK_DEPTH 2 3 4} and #ifdef EASY
20101126 10:17:23< bender96> recruitment_pattern=scout,fighter,fighter,mixed fighter,archer
20101126 10:17:28< bender96> should be converted
20101126 10:17:33< bender96> to the new syntax
20101126 10:19:17< Crab_> if they are in [ai] blocks not limited by turns/time of day :    1) let #ifdef  stay as it is   2)  {AI_SIMPLE_ALWAYS_ASPECT attack_depth {ON_DIFFICULTY 2 3 4} }    3) {AI_SIMPLE_ALWAYS_ASPECT recruitment_pattern "scout,fighter,fighter,mixed fighter,archer" } 
20101126 10:19:24< bender96> it seems that #ifdef EASY should be left as is
20101126 10:19:32< Crab_> yes
20101126 10:19:37< bender96> ok.
20101126 10:20:13< bender96> We've almost completed conversion tool and it's good enough for simple campaigns like The Rise of Wesnoth
20101126 10:21:21< Crab_> it's great
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20101126 12:27:19< joxer> hi
20101126 12:27:24< joxer> Espreon ping
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20101126 12:58:05< Crab_> joxer: hi
20101126 12:58:09< joxer> hi Crab_ 
20101126 12:58:23< Crab_> joxer: you had a question ?
20101126 12:58:29< joxer> for google melange
20101126 12:58:38< joxer> i see that the mentor of a certain request is Espreon 
20101126 12:58:43< Crab_> (if it's about ai or playtesting, you can ask me)
20101126 12:58:44< joxer> i have a question for him
20101126 12:58:58< Crab_> (ok, yes, if it's for his tasks, then ask him..)
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20101126 14:10:08< bender96> Crab_: what is the criteria for [target] goal? The example puts side=3 inside [criteria] tag. Can it be `id` instead?
20101126 14:10:13< bender96> smth like this:
20101126 14:10:18< bender96> [goal]
20101126 14:10:25< bender96>   [criteria]
20101126 14:10:46< bender96>     id=Prince Haldric
20101126 14:10:50< bender96>   [/criteria]
20101126 14:10:55< Crab_> yes, everything that was inside [target] except for the 'value' is to be moved to criteria
20101126 14:11:05< bender96>   value=15
20101126 14:11:11< bender96> [/goal]
20101126 14:11:13< Crab_> those side, id=, are all parts of StandardUnitFilter
20101126 14:11:19< bender96> Ahhmm.. Ok...
20101126 14:11:25< Crab_> or StandardLocationFilter
20101126 14:11:50< Crab_> you should just take everything that was there except for a few attributes like 'value=' and move them inside the criteria
20101126 14:14:40< bender96> Can criteria be multi-lined?
20101126 14:14:45< Crab_> yes
20101126 14:14:58< Crab_> just like [target] can be multi-lined
20101126 14:15:30< bender96> Should it be put before all other lines within a [goal] ? Or it doesn't matter?
20101126 14:16:38< bender96> That is can [criteria]....[/criteria] be right before [/goal]?
20101126 14:17:17< Crab_> doesn't matter.  [goal] value= xxx [criteria]...[/criteria][/goal] is the same as  [goal] [criteria]...[/criteria] value= xxx [/goal]
20101126 14:17:25< Crab_> but the order of things inside the [criteria] matters.
20101126 14:17:42< bender96> Ok
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20101126 14:22:35< joxer> Espreon ping
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20101126 15:51:07< zookeeper> boucman, yeah
20101126 15:51:19< zookeeper> looked into the rotations thing yet?
20101126 15:51:43< boucman> would you be able to review https://gna.org/patch/?2230 or should it be assigned to silene ?
20101126 15:52:09< boucman> zookeeper: no, as I said only after I fix Espreon's problems, but alink would probably be able to help if he is around
20101126 15:54:50< zookeeper> oh, right, i already forgot you said it'll take more time. i'll ask alink if i see him...
20101126 15:55:05< zookeeper> and sure, i can look at the patch tonight
20101126 15:56:08< boucman> thx, i'll assign to you so it's not forgotten
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20101126 16:38:06< joxer> Espreon ping
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20101126 17:34:38< Aurora_> Does anyone want to help me with compiling?
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20101126 17:34:52< Aurora_> on mac, cause I still can't figure it out
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20101126 17:39:14< Soliton> best to just explain your situation and the errors you get.
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20101126 17:56:33< bender96> Hi
20101126 17:56:56< bender96> How can I check that a converted AI works right?
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20101126 17:59:07< bender96> It seems that the campaign loads ok, but I don't know how to access scenario internal data
20101126 17:59:18< AI0867> :debug
20101126 17:59:20< AI0867> :inspect
20101126 18:00:44< bender96> How to access the console?
20101126 18:00:46< bender96> ~ ?
20101126 18:00:52< AI0867> :
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20101126 18:03:44< crimson_penguin> Aurora_: just look in projectfiles/xcode/
20101126 18:03:45< bender96> Thank you
20101126 18:03:47< crimson_penguin> I made a readme in there
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20101126 18:15:41< bender96> Is there anybody familiar with Google Code In project technical details?
20101126 18:16:25< bender96> I can't find a place where to submit changed files we prepared.
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20101126 18:21:47< bender96> Another question: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GCI/Port_AI_WML_configuration_to_new_style_syntax  tells that village_value should be converted using AI_SIMPLE_*_ASPECT  macro
20101126 18:22:02< bender96> while http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Customizing_AI_in_Wesnoth_1.8#Deprecated_Targeting_Parameters says:
20101126 18:22:40< bender96> "village_value=1: (double) A number 0 or higher which determines how much the AI tries to capture villages. Deprecated. Better set to 0 and use " [goal]...[/goal]
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20101126 18:22:56< bender96> what should I do?
20101126 18:24:19< Ivanovic> bender96: Crab_ should be able to help you, i'd recommend waiting for his reply
20101126 18:24:37< Ivanovic> he tends to read the logs and eventually he will reply and answer those questions
20101126 18:26:25< bender96> Ivanovic: thank you!
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20101126 18:55:30< CIA-86> ivanovic * r47719 /trunk/ (7 files in 7 dirs): updated Korean translation
20101126 18:55:31< CIA-86> ivanovic * r47720 /branches/1.8/ (6 files in 6 dirs): updated Korean translation
20101126 18:56:54< CIA-86> ivanovic * r47721 /trunk/changelog: restore 80 chars per line for the changelog
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20101126 19:29:04< lynxlynxlynx> hi guys/gals
20101126 19:29:25< lynxlynxlynx> compiled a fresh 1.9.2, but it bails out with a wierd wml error
20101126 19:30:09< lynxlynxlynx> http://pastebin.ca/2003069
20101126 19:30:21< lynxlynxlynx> any ideas?
20101126 19:33:05< zookeeper> yes, you have some wrong .cfg files there, it seems
20101126 19:35:09< lynxlynxlynx> {FORESTADJCASTLEA *^Fp  (C*,K*,Xu,Ql,Qxu,Gv*) 100 forest/pine-castle} # that is the line
20101126 19:37:21< zookeeper> there's no core/terrain-graphics/_final.cfg in trunk and hasn't been for a long time
20101126 19:37:58< lynxlynxlynx> yeah, i see it is from an older install
20101126 19:38:14< lynxlynxlynx> only the one for delfador's memoirs remain
20101126 19:38:41< lynxlynxlynx> my fault, thanks
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20101126 20:34:38< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: hmm, I guess the projectfiles/ dir is included in the source tarball?
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20101126 20:35:02< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: uhm, yeah, everything in trunk is in the tarball
20101126 20:35:34< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: ok, then I should be updating the XCode project BEFORE release, not just when I build a binary afterwards, now that the project file is in svn
20101126 20:35:46< Ivanovic> yes, makes sense
20101126 20:36:15< crimson_penguin> so... I'll do that next time then
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20101126 21:04:02< CIA-86> crimson_penguin * r47722 /trunk/projectfiles/Xcode/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Xcode project file update.
20101126 21:18:46< Espreon> joxer: I'm here now.
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20101126 21:21:36< joxer_> Espreon have you said nothing?
20101126 21:21:42< joxer_> my connection got interrupted
20101126 21:22:31< Espreon> joxer_: I only told you that I'm here now.
20101126 21:22:46< joxer_> <joxer> btw in http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/wesnoth/t129063636532
20101126 21:22:46< joxer_> <joxer> have i only to elaborate that file?
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20101126 21:24:38< Espreon> joxer_: All you have to do is to make help.cfg conform to our style guide.
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20101126 21:24:43< joxer_> ok
20101126 21:24:46< joxer_> i'll do after this
20101126 21:25:46< Espreon> Very well...
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20101126 22:25:10< robodoggy> I'm using Wesnoth 1.9.2 and I'm converting the AI tags. Are there any flags to tell it to use the new AI syntax? I get an error every time I try to parse the .cfg file.
20101126 22:27:08< shadowm_laptop> what error is it?
20101126 22:27:20< robodoggy> one moment...
20101126 22:27:35< zookeeper> errors on startup mean syntax errors
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20101126 22:30:07< robodoggy> error message pastebind at http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/5K8RLvjg
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20101126 22:31:27< robodoggy> The new line is: {AI_SIMPLE_ALWAYS_ASPECT_VALUE recruitment_pattern "fighter,fighter"} 
20101126 22:32:39< Crab_> robodoggy: you need to use another macro there
20101126 22:33:17< Crab_> robodoggy: i.e. {AI_SIMPLE_ALWAYS_ASPECT recruitment_pattern "fighter,fighter"}
20101126 22:34:58< robodoggy> Now I see. I'm curious. What is the difference between those two macros?
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20101126 22:36:36< Crab_> robodoggy: inside, the first one does something like the first half of http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/vudVza7h , the second one something similar to the second half of it
20101126 22:37:22< Crab_> AI_SIMPLE_ALWAYS_ASPECT_VALUE is used for [avoid], because it was a [avoid] tag, other is used for most others because they were of key=value form
20101126 22:37:49< robodoggy> Thank you. That makes sense
20101126 22:38:13< robodoggy> someone should note it on the macro reference on the wiki though : http://www.wesnoth.org/macro-reference.xhtml
20101126 22:39:07< Crab_> robodoggy: yes. that part of the wiki is autogenerated, so I should change the description in wesnoth's source, and It'll change the wikipage next time it's autogenerated
20101126 22:39:15< Crab_> thanks for the note, btw
20101126 22:39:39< robodoggy> No problem!
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20101126 22:47:25< bender96> Hello!
20101126 22:47:34< Espreon> Hello.
20101126 22:47:39< bender96> Crab_: Are you online?
20101126 22:47:44< Crab_> hi,, yes
20101126 22:49:06< bender96> Could you please suggest how village_value should be converted? 
20101126 22:49:40< bender96> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GCI/Port_AI_WML_configuration_to_new_style_syntax has an example where village_value is converted as a simple aspect
20101126 22:50:05< bender96> and http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Customizing_AI_in_Wesnoth_1.8#Deprecated_Targeting_Parameters suggests to use [goal] for it
20101126 22:53:49< bender96> BTW, tonight we have submitted the tool and comverted The Rise of Wesnoth scenarios.
20101126 22:54:06< Crab_> great
20101126 22:55:32< Crab_> well, both variants of conversion are ok. the second one (via [goal]) is more future-proof.
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20101126 22:59:50< bender96> Ok, thank you.
20101126 22:59:55< bender96> good night
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20101126 23:06:17< reid_> In WML AI, if an aspect value is a string, do you put it quotes?
20101126 23:10:20< robodoggy> yes
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20101126 23:45:11< zookeeper> Espreon, so what's broken in [animate_unit]? at least for me it seems to play wrong anim types and doesn't play sounds at all.
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20101126 23:58:32< Aurora_> does {ai/aliases/stable_singleplayer.cfg} need to go in [modify_side]?
20101126 23:58:52< Crab_> Aurora_: don't convert [modify_side][ai]
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20101126 23:59:14< Aurora_> Crab_: Why Not?
20101126 23:59:34< Crab_> Aurora_: it can be converted, to  {MODIFY_AI...  <something here> }, if you know what you are doing
20101126 23:59:47< Crab_> Aurora_: but, the rules for conversion are different
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