--- Log opened Sat Nov 27 00:00:11 2010 --- Day changed Sat Nov 27 2010 20101127 00:00:11< Crab_> Aurora_: if you want to learn then, I can explain. but it's easier to just skip [modify_side] blocks 20101127 00:00:36< Aurora_> I will just skip it 20101127 00:00:43< Crab_> ok 20101127 00:01:07< Aurora_> but should I still change the [protect_location] inside the modify side? 20101127 00:01:12< Aurora_> or just leave it all? 20101127 00:01:44< Crab_> a) just leave b) extract it outside the [modify_side] and change to {MODIFY_AI_ADD_GOAL ... } according to documentation 20101127 00:02:39< Aurora_> is ai_algorithm converted the common way? 20101127 00:03:32< Crab_> no. if it's idle_ai, then it means that this block is 'ai which does nothing' and it should be converted by using {ai/aliases/idle_ai.cfg} instead of stable_singleplayer.cfg 20101127 00:03:45< Aurora_> okay 20101127 00:03:55< Aurora_> you really should write this all in one spot 20101127 00:03:56< Crab_> and if it's formula ai, it's a special case and either leave it or pastebin the code here and ask how 20101127 00:04:07< Aurora_> and I delete the whole [ai 20101127 00:04:11< Aurora_> ]tag 20101127 00:04:18< Crab_> yes, if it's idle ai, you can delete the [ai] tag 20101127 00:04:21< Aurora_> or just leave it unconverted 20101127 00:04:23< Aurora_> okay 20101127 00:04:47< Crab_> yes, I should, and I tried to write most of the things in there, but of course some of the things went missing 20101127 00:07:00-!- zookeeper [~l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [] 20101127 00:07:50< Aurora_> how do I Private message people on this? 20101127 00:08:14< Crab_> depends on your client, usually you have to click on a name in a list of names 20101127 00:08:31< Aurora_> all that does is open up a chat with that person 20101127 00:09:21< Aurora_> plus you aren't on the list. 20101127 00:09:33< Aurora_> jk 20101127 00:09:37< Aurora_> I found you 20101127 00:09:48-!- Bocom_ [~Bocom@c-8dcde255.013-31-6b736412.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 00:11:55-!- Bocom__ [~Bocom@c-8dcde255.013-31-6b736412.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20101127 00:13:25-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-179-130.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20101127 00:15:14-!- Zacru [48df48f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.223.72.240] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 00:17:10-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 00:31:51-!- Zacru [48df48f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.223.72.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20101127 00:32:11-!- Aurora__ [48df48f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.223.72.240] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 00:32:20-!- Aurora_ [48df48f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.223.72.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20101127 00:32:31-!- Aurora__ [48df48f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.223.72.240] has quit [Client Quit] 20101127 00:32:44-!- Zacru [48df48f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.223.72.240] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 00:33:02-!- Aurora_ [48df48f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.223.72.240] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 00:48:16-!- mordocai [~mordocai@66.119.9.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20101127 00:49:06-!- mordocai [~mordocai@66.119.9.243] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 01:05:47-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20101127 01:08:02-!- EdB [~edb@tss37-1-89-84-18-220.dsl.club-internet.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20101127 01:09:25< reid_> Can anyone tell me if this is correct? http://pastebin.com/ZQpRRYqR 20101127 01:10:57< Crab_> reid_: protect_leader=2 should be converted to an aspect, protect_area is to be converted differently (check the wiki), rest is ok 20101127 01:11:20< Crab_> and avoid should be {AI_SIMPLE_ALWAYS_ASPECT_VALUE avoid( .... )} 20101127 01:13:58-!- xenocratus01 [xenocratus@79.117.61.149] has quit [] 20101127 01:15:25< reid_> thanks 20101127 01:15:38-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 182 bugs, 298 feature requests, 20 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20101127 01:18:40< robodoggy> _Crab: I have finished testing and submitted my work to GCI : http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/wesnoth/t129042383982 20101127 01:23:19-!- lobby [~wesnoth@wesnoth/bot/lobby] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 01:23:19-!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: 182 bugs, 298 feature requests, 20 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20101127 01:23:19-!- Topic set by wesbot [~wesbot@wesnoth/bot/wesbot] [Sat Nov 27 01:15:38 2010] 20101127 01:23:19[Users #wesnoth-dev] 20101127 01:23:19[ ABCD ] [ clanehin ] [ Gambit ] [ lobby ] [ shadowmaster] [ Vetinari] 20101127 01:23:19[ AI0867 ] [ Crab_ ] [ GeorgeSebastian] [ loonybot ] [ Shakey ] [ Vorpal ] 20101127 01:23:19[ apoi ] [ crimson_penguin] [ Greywhind ] [ loonycyborg] [ shikadibot ] [ wesbot ] 20101127 01:23:19[ Aurora_ ] [ eleazzaar ] [ Ingmar ] [ LordNasty ] [ Smar ] [ yann ] 20101127 01:23:19[ Blueblaze] [ elias ] [ Ivanovic ] [ mordocai ] [ Soliton ] [ Zacru ] 20101127 01:23:19[ Bocom_ ] [ Elvish_Pillager] [ iwaim ] [ noy ] [ Tigge ] 20101127 01:23:19[ Carneus ] [ erl ] [ Kapace ] [ reid_ ] [ Upth ] 20101127 01:23:19[ chris| ] [ Espreon ] [ knotwork ] [ Rhonda ] [ Upthorn ] 20101127 01:23:19[ CIA-86 ] [ ettin ] [ koan ] [ robodoggy ] [ vcap ] 20101127 01:23:19-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-dev: Total of 50 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 50 normal] 20101127 01:23:59-!- Channel #wesnoth-dev created Tue Jan 27 06:28:41 2009 20101127 01:24:04-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 01:24:25< Crab_> robodoggy: ok, you had errors in some places, but those were places where we haven't told you exactly what to do (e.g., that block with turns= ) 20101127 01:24:39< Crab_> robodoggy: so I'm accepting the work as done 20101127 01:24:58< robodoggy> Thanks, and I thought I used an if statement there 20101127 01:25:14-!- Irssi: Join to #wesnoth-dev was synced in 127 secs 20101127 01:25:30< Crab_> yes, but the problem is that [if] cannot be used in that context 20101127 01:25:44< Crab_> it's because the ai config is in C++ 20101127 01:25:53< Crab_> so it is parsed only once, on startup 20101127 01:25:59< Crab_> so, it ignores all those conditional stuff 20101127 01:26:55< Crab_> the correct way would be either 1) use [modify_ai] (or corresponding macroses) to change the ai in [event] turn=12 2) use more low-level macroses which deal with [facet]s directly 20101127 01:27:17< Crab_> (some of the students managed to do both 1 and 2, yes, by looking at the docs and in the wiki) 20101127 01:28:09< shadowmaster> hmmmm. I wonder if displaying chat logs could be made faster by using strings instead of ostringstreams 20101127 01:28:38< shadowmaster> I'll need a 1.9.x replay with a long chat log though. 20101127 01:28:49< Crab_> shadowmaster: inside wesnoth ? 20101127 01:28:53< shadowmaster> yes 20101127 01:34:29< shadowmaster> aha, found one with 222 messages 20101127 01:34:42-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 01:46:34-!- Crab_ [~Crab_@wesnoth/developer/crab] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20101127 01:49:01-!- grzywacz [~grzywacz@89.78.180.180] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 01:49:01-!- grzywacz [~grzywacz@89.78.180.180] has quit [Changing host] 20101127 01:49:01-!- grzywacz [~grzywacz@wesnoth/developer/grzywacz] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 01:50:10 * shadowmaster slaps forehead. 20101127 01:50:33< shadowmaster> I uninstalled libstdc++'s documentation today, and now I need it. 20101127 01:51:21< AI0867> OF COURSE 20101127 01:51:37< AI0867> /M. Bison 20101127 01:58:21-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20101127 02:00:17< shadowmaster> huh, now I get a chat log without messages 20101127 02:03:52< shadowmaster> and now I fixed it after explicitly constructing STL strings from C strings...? 20101127 02:12:38-!- Zacru [48df48f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.223.72.240] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20101127 02:13:02< shadowmaster> okay, what a waste of time. The bottleneck appears to be at the GUI1 side 20101127 02:17:05-!- robodoggy [4b43c6ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.67.198.238] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20101127 02:18:37-!- Shakey [HydraIRC@c-71-201-89-187.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 20101127 02:21:11-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz] 20101127 02:21:59-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20101127 02:25:28-!- grzywacz [~grzywacz@wesnoth/developer/grzywacz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20101127 02:40:39-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20101127 02:43:51-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 02:46:13-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20101127 02:47:40-!- Aurora_ [48df48f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.223.72.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20101127 03:11:30-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 03:25:04-!- [Relic] [~relic@99-58-54-211.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 03:26:26< [Relic]> Hello :) 20101127 03:48:26-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20101127 04:06:10-!- ancestral [~ancestral@mobile-166-137-140-219.mycingular.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 04:06:21-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit [Quit: crimson_penguin] 20101127 04:07:22-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db22640.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 04:10:08-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20101127 04:11:18-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20101127 04:12:14-!- rigved [~rigved@116.72.163.243] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 04:30:46-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@71-10-224-192.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20101127 04:37:34-!- rigved [~rigved@116.72.163.243] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20101127 04:38:29< reid_> Can someone look over this, I think i'm almost done. http://pastebin.com/qRHjXj71 20101127 04:48:22-!- ancestral [~ancestral@mobile-166-137-140-219.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Smell ya later!] 20101127 04:48:26-!- ancestral_ [~ancestral@174-20-4-220.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 04:48:34-!- ancestral_ [~ancestral@174-20-4-220.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20101127 04:48:40-!- ancestral [~ancestral@174-20-4-220.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 04:50:34< reid_> ancestral: are you a dev? 20101127 04:50:47< ancestral> Nooooo 20101127 04:50:57< ancestral> :) 20101127 04:52:49< reid_> :| 20101127 05:03:43-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-73-62-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 05:03:43-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-73-62-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 20101127 05:03:43-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 05:09:30< Espreon> reid_: ... But I am! 20101127 05:09:49< reid_> AO 20101127 05:10:11< reid_> can you take a look at these please. http://pastebin.com/qRHjXj71 20101127 05:12:09< Espreon> Ummm... Must someone look at them now? 20101127 05:12:28< Espreon> I just got off my desktop finding out that it might be pretty much broken... 20101127 05:13:15< Espreon> reid_: Also, did you put an include to the base AI in those files? 20101127 05:13:28< Espreon> If not, then things won't work. 20101127 05:14:16< fendrin> hello 20101127 05:15:00< reid_> no, these is just excerpts from the files, I will add the include at the end. 20101127 05:15:03< reid_> you 20101127 05:15:40< reid_> you're talking about {ai/aliases/stable_singleplayer.cfg} right? 20101127 05:24:20-!- ancestral [~ancestral@174-20-4-220.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: i go sleeps kthxbai] 20101127 05:24:27< Espreon> reid_: Yes 20101127 05:27:06< reid_> yea i'm a little confused on where that goes. 20101127 05:29:14< Espreon> Within [side] codeblocks, but outside [ai] codeblocks]. 20101127 05:30:18< reid_> Ok I see 20101127 05:31:48< reid_> Well is my syntax is all correct I can have all the files completed in a few minutes. 20101127 05:34:29< reid_> Also, RIP Espreon's PC 20101127 05:34:41< Espreon> Well... 20101127 05:34:47< Espreon> metakraid himself isn't broken. 20101127 05:34:51< Espreon> I'm talking about the software side. 20101127 05:35:00< Espreon> ... and very minor things that are pissing me off. 20101127 05:35:12< Espreon> I somehow broke PulseAudio... 20101127 05:35:33-!- GeorgeSebastian [~GeorgeSeb@218.248.84.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20101127 05:35:34< Espreon> ... and I can no longer compile phonon-kde (or whatever the package is called). 20101127 05:36:16< Espreon> I think I'll just kill PulseAudio... 20101127 05:36:33< Espreon> ... even though this one app I typically use sometimes locks the sound device... 20101127 05:39:17-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20101127 05:41:49< reid_> I assume you run linux? 20101127 05:42:50< Espreon> reid_: Yupz. 20101127 05:44:58-!- StealthyCoin [~StealthyC@adsl-99-169-80-254.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 05:45:13< reid_> I actually think I have a sound problem myself. 20101127 05:46:08< reid_> My audio files crackle and pop sometimes, I thought it was the driver but it does it in windows and linux. 20101127 05:46:50< reid_> and it's not the files, so It must be the card. 20101127 05:47:18< Espreon> Poor you. 20101127 05:52:47-!- Gambit [~quassel@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20101127 05:55:12-!- ancestral [~ancestral@174-20-4-220.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 05:57:24< ancestral> Anyone, by chance, have any experience using JavaScript and/or PHP and making/reading cookies? 20101127 05:57:39< ancestral> (yes, I'll go to their channels…) 20101127 05:58:06-!- GeorgeSebastian [~GeorgeSeb@218.248.84.85] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 06:13:46-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 06:37:10-!- Aurora_ [48df48f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.223.72.240] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 06:37:34< Aurora_> What if the thing I am playtesting is getting really difficult? 20101127 06:38:43< Espreon> Aurora_: What are you playtesting? 20101127 06:40:58-!- reid_ [~reid@c-98-195-128-61.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20101127 06:41:13< ancestral> Aurora_: Ever get Wesnoth to build? 20101127 06:48:58-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 06:52:08-!- dtiger [~dtiger@dynamic-vpdn-93-125-116-188.telecom.by] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 06:54:30-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20101127 06:55:41-!- GeorgeSebastian [~GeorgeSeb@218.248.84.85] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20101127 07:03:13< ancestral> Dammit 20101127 07:03:19< ancestral> I gotta learn web apps now 20101127 07:19:06-!- StealthyCoin [~StealthyC@adsl-99-169-80-254.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: StealthyCoin] 20101127 07:41:33-!- GeorgeSebastian [~GeorgeSeb@218.248.84.91] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 07:48:15-!- Aurora_ [48df48f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.223.72.240] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20101127 08:02:09-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit [Quit: crimson_penguin] 20101127 08:19:53-!- GeorgeSebastian [~GeorgeSeb@218.248.84.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20101127 08:42:28-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 08:46:30-!- silene [~plouf@wesnoth/developer/silene] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 08:51:24-!- [Relic] [~relic@99-58-54-211.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20101127 08:51:33< noy> silene: would you mind explaining why you think that license is compatible with gpl? 20101127 08:53:27< silene> noy: the gpl doesn't forbid the usage of nongpl tools in the process of development; for instance, we don't reject people contributing photoshop or visual studio; for examples in bigger free software projects, you can think of bitkeeper for the linux kernel or spec 2006+ for gcc 20101127 08:54:15< silene> a font used only on the graphist computer, as long as the font license allow for gpl distribution of the resulting image, is no different 20101127 08:54:35< noy> Ah, but this doesn't really conform to that, because the license for the font has a specific injunction for the amount of use 20101127 08:54:57< noy> Unless we want to pay an unlimited usage fee for the font 20101127 08:55:41< noy> because once we exceed the amount of use of the font then there is a restriction imposed by its license, which then becomes incompatible with GPL. 20101127 08:55:57< silene> noy: we won't be distributing the font (and we don't have too, from a gpl point of view), so only the license of the resulting images matter 20101127 08:57:20< silene> (and that's the issue with the currently used font, we are not even allowed to redistribute the images with a gpl license) 20101127 08:57:23< noy> We are if it part of the game. 20101127 08:57:57< silene> noy: the font is not part of the game, only text generated by the font, and the font license explicitly allows text generaed by the font to be gpl-distributed 20101127 08:58:55< silene> noy: it's not a font used dynamically by the game, it's a font used only once 20101127 08:59:32< noy> See reading that license's wording does not lead me to that conclusion 20101127 08:59:48< noy> I understand what you're saying, but its written in such a manner that I don't think thats what he intended. 20101127 09:01:19< silene> noy: which font are you talking about? and can you point me to its license? 20101127 09:01:26< noy> http://www.pia-frauss.de/imp/cu.htm 20101127 09:02:06< noy> I think this was the one he was talking about 20101127 09:03:57< Rhonda> That license doesn't say anything about the resulting work, meaning that there is no permission for the resulting work actually. 20101127 09:04:54-!- noy_ [~Noy@70.28.245.0] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 09:04:54-!- noy_ [~Noy@70.28.245.0] has quit [Changing host] 20101127 09:04:54-!- noy_ [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 09:05:25< silene> noy: this font is fine; as long as we pay 200 euros, we will be able to use it on as many graphist computers we want to (just to be on the safe side with respect to the number of translations), for the sole usage of wesnoth titlescreen 20101127 09:05:38< silene> Rhonda: did you miss the part of about "commercial use"? 20101127 09:06:52< Rhonda> silene: use. That doesn't cover anything about redistribution or what one is allowed to do with resulting work, i.e. modified (rendered) images. 20101127 09:07:27< Rhonda> And I don't see the 200 euro part for unlimited? 20101127 09:07:41< silene> Rhonda: it does, i suggest you look up what "commercial use" means 20101127 09:07:55< noy_> silene: see I just don't know if the author is interested in that distinction. If we could buy it off from him/her wholesale I'd prefer that. 20101127 09:08:12< silene> Rhonda: it's 100 euros till 99 computers, and doubled afterward; so 200 for unlimited 20101127 09:08:31< noy_> silene: was it unlimited for 200? 20101127 09:08:40< Rhonda> silene: It would still mean that it has to get ripped out of the Debian package because it contains non-free work. 20101127 09:08:52< Rhonda> silene: And the same for potential other packagers. 20101127 09:08:58< silene> Rhonda: the font will never be part of the package!!! 20101127 09:09:05-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20101127 09:09:06-!- noy_ is now known as noy 20101127 09:09:06< Rhonda> But the resulting work. 20101127 09:09:22< noy> if it was that would be fine by me if it was unlimited... I thought that it would continue to run up the cost at some increment. 20101127 09:09:38< noy> ugh... cannot type after 18 hours... 20101127 09:10:55< silene> Rhonda: the resulting work is fine, that's the whole point of paying a licensing fee; obviously, if we weren't paying the fee, we couldn't redistribute the resulting work, except for non-profit use, which is incompatible with the gpl; but we are talking about paying the fee here 20101127 09:11:03< Rhonda> silene: The font is the base for the image. If you take mona lisa from leonardo and tweak it, that's still a violation. 20101127 09:11:18< Rhonda> You can't compare a base image to a tool used, that's two *completely* different areas. 20101127 09:12:03< silene> Rhonda: you are wrong 20101127 09:12:04< Rhonda> Yes, but the resulting work is still based on non-free material. And even though _you_ are allowed to redistribute it because you payed that doesn't mean *others* are allowed to redistribute it without paying, too. 20101127 09:12:18< Rhonda> Stating that doesn't make it true, you know. 20101127 09:13:04< Rhonda> You can go and test it with debian-legal. Knowing of that issue it means that I potential will have to drop wesnoth from Debian and Ubuntu. 20101127 09:13:37< noy> Lets not resort to threats please? 20101127 09:13:44< Rhonda> It's no threat, sorry. 20101127 09:14:09< Rhonda> It's how things are working, and I do not want to get Debian in troubles because of issues with a chosen base-image. 20101127 09:14:14< noy> Its being needlessly agressive. 20101127 09:14:22< noy> for no practical benefit of solving the issue 20101127 09:14:48< Rhonda> It isn't. I am just stating how things are working. 20101127 09:15:03< silene> Rhonda: a font is a tool; you will never trust me, but i suggest you read the license of acrobat reader; perhaps you will trust adobe's lawayers on what a font actually is 20101127 09:15:48< Rhonda> Not the ones of adobe, sorry. 20101127 09:16:12< Rhonda> I will bring it up in debian-legal, it's just how I understand it and I don't want to get into legal troubles. 20101127 09:16:37< noy> We haven't even used the font yet. 20101127 09:16:46< noy> or stated any intent to do so. 20101127 09:17:04< Rhonda> But from what I understood the current font for the logo has similar issues, if not worse? 20101127 09:17:49< noy> Yes, but we're working on it. 20101127 09:17:49< Rhonda> noy: So I am not allowed to raise concerns yet? Why have a discussion at all then? 20101127 09:20:12< Rhonda> I'm just stating how things happened with similar issues in other projects previously, and we had to rip out a fair amount of content within Debian because of that. 20101127 09:20:39< noy> Well, its not like we're not aware of it or don't want to deal with it. 20101127 09:20:52< Rhonda> That's neither a threat nor aggressive, it's a description of current practise. 20101127 09:21:09< noy> Yes, but in the way you stated it, you're making it one. 20101127 09:21:37< noy> I'm sure every threat can be construed to be "a description of current practice" 20101127 09:21:55< Rhonda> I don't expect you to be able to see it any different, given that you have a history of violently disagreeing with me. 20101127 09:22:49< noy> No, I agree with you rhonda, I understand that you see there is an issue and so do I 20101127 09:23:29< noy> I want the font to be GPL compatible, yet I don't think going and telling people change it now, when we don't have any good alternatives is really helpful or the right path 20101127 09:24:11< noy> You and I even agree that the license of the alternative is probably not usable for our purposes. 20101127 09:24:25< noy> (where you and I disagree with Silene) 20101127 09:25:07< Rhonda> I couldn't care less about GPL compatibility, the logo is a product on its own. It should just be possible to distribute it under *any* free license. I still throw in CC by-sa 3.0, like I did when the music discussion popped up yet again last time. 20101127 09:26:23< Rhonda> huhm, wait 20101127 09:26:42< Rhonda> "One word on commercial scrapbooking: as long as you use my fonts like a bit of spices in the salad -- e.g., inserting some random letters here and there -- it's considered a quote, and may be done without buying a license." 20101127 09:27:14< Rhonda> It might be this part that silene is refering to. 20101127 09:28:03-!- GeorgeSebastian [~GeorgeSeb@218.248.84.92] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 09:28:05< silene> no it isn't; we don't do commercial scrapbooking, we do commercial use 20101127 09:28:24-!- noy_ [~Noy@70.28.245.5] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 09:28:24-!- noy_ [~Noy@70.28.245.5] has quit [Changing host] 20101127 09:28:24-!- noy_ [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 09:29:55< noy_> Sure, from what I've looked at preliminarily for art and non coding contributions, CC might be a better way to go. 20101127 09:30:15-!- GeorgeSebastian [~GeorgeSeb@218.248.84.92] has quit [Client Quit] 20101127 09:30:50< noy_> yeah I don't think that changes matters... 20101127 09:31:55-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20101127 09:31:55-!- noy_ is now known as noy 20101127 09:34:28-!- GeorgeSebastian [~GeorgeSeb@218.248.84.83] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 09:58:15-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-179-130.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 10:00:08-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20101127 10:00:40-!- Crab_ [~Crab_@wesnoth/developer/crab] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 10:01:05-!- Crab_ [~Crab_@wesnoth/developer/crab] has quit [Client Quit] 20101127 10:01:25-!- zookeeper [~l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 10:02:09< Espreon> zookeeper: Yeah, [animate_unit] can't activate defense animations. 20101127 10:04:36< zookeeper> right 20101127 10:08:09-!- Crab_ [~Crab_@wesnoth/developer/crab] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 10:08:18-!- Crab_ [~Crab_@wesnoth/developer/crab] has quit [Client Quit] 20101127 10:09:25< CIA-86> silene * r47723 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: Fixed valid field not properly detecting removed units. 20101127 10:09:50-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db22640.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 20101127 10:09:50-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 10:10:14< Ivanovic> moin 20101127 10:14:45-!- MeccaGod [MeccaGod@h14n4fls31o279.telia.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 10:16:59-!- EdB [~edb@tss37-1-89-84-18-220.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 10:17:45< Espreon> Crab_: So, I wanted to make tasks like "Convert events in X_campaign to custom events", but then Ivanovic was telling me about mass-adding such tasks, and he told me to talk to you about it. Would you please tell me what I need to know? 20101127 10:21:54-!- mordante [~mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 10:22:05< mordante> servus 20101127 10:22:14< Espreon> Ic grete þe. 20101127 10:22:21< mordante> hi Espreon 20101127 10:28:24-!- ancestral [~ancestral@174-20-4-220.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: And that’s the end of THAT chapter.] 20101127 10:40:21-!- GeorgeSebastian [~GeorgeSeb@218.248.84.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20101127 10:43:42-!- Mickcy [~mickcy@ip13-170-173-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 10:47:17< zookeeper> hi, mordante 20101127 10:47:29< mordante> hi zookeeper 20101127 10:47:55-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@dsl54020F49.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 10:48:16< zookeeper> mordante, i'm rather confused as to how the current portraits-in-messages scaling works and/or is supposed to work: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=466861#p466861 20101127 10:49:45< zookeeper> i figured the scaling method is found and editable in gui/default/window/wml_message.cfg, but i didn't really manage to understand that code well enough. 20101127 10:53:06< mordante> zookeeper, reading 20101127 10:53:11-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-158-44-235.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 20101127 10:57:21-!- GeorgeSebastian [~GeorgeSeb@218.248.84.87] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 10:59:40< mordante> zookeeper, it tries the make the width of the image about 1/3 of the gamemap width and kept between 250 and 500 20101127 11:01:42< mordante> so it seems like a bug indeed is there an image in mainline which has this issue? 20101127 11:07:57-!- vcap_ [~vcap@AReims-551-1-52-83.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 11:08:57< zookeeper> mordante, well, yes, almost all of them... 20101127 11:09:05-!- vcap [~vcap@AReims-551-1-120-93.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20101127 11:09:06< zookeeper> TRoW for instance 20101127 11:09:11-!- vcap_ is now known as vcap 20101127 11:09:36< zookeeper> just start TRoW and look at the portraits; they're all shrunk down somewhat 20101127 11:13:38< zookeeper> anyways, i gotta go afk -> 20101127 11:21:50< CIA-86> ivanovic * r47724 /branches/1.8/po/ (wesnoth/vi.po wesnoth-lib/vi.po wesnoth-units/vi.po): updated Vietnamese translation 20101127 11:22:17< CIA-86> ivanovic * r47725 /trunk/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated Vietnamese translation 20101127 11:33:53< mordante> zookeeper, I see what you mean, and indeed seems a bug, the image width should be scaled down but to 379 (1/3 of the map width) 20101127 11:34:33< mordante> I'll have a look at the issue, but off for dinner now 20101127 11:39:34-!- Mickcy [~mickcy@ip13-170-173-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20101127 11:47:55-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-158-44-235.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 11:48:28< Ivanovic> mordante: dinner? 20101127 11:48:34< Ivanovic> in which timezone are you currently? 20101127 11:53:33< zookeeper> mordante, great. however, i'd think that it'd be a good idea to keep to 400x width on a 1280x resolution...it's quite a high and common resolution so it feels a bit odd to me that the most common portrait would get scaled down at all when using it. 20101127 11:58:39-!- stikonas [~and@bcm-131-111-247-113.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 11:58:39-!- stikonas [~and@bcm-131-111-247-113.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Changing host] 20101127 11:58:39-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 12:04:48-!- silene [~plouf@wesnoth/developer/silene] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20101127 12:05:58< mordante> Ivanovic, the usual, but to me dinner involves cooking, tonight I'll eat `Abendbrot' 20101127 12:06:12< Ivanovic> ahh, okay 20101127 12:06:21< Ivanovic> so your lunch today is called dinner 20101127 12:06:28< mordante> yup 20101127 12:06:37< Ivanovic> hmm, i tend to count this way: 20101127 12:07:10< mordante> zookeeper, I thought about it a bit more while cooking and I think the 1/3 rule only makes sense as long the text hasn't reached its maximum width 20101127 12:07:11< Ivanovic> first meal of the day with "food" (aka not only tea): breakfast, 2nd lunch (yeah, can be in the evening), 3rd dinner (it happens that there is no dinner) 20101127 12:07:32< mordante> once that's reached the image can take the rest of the space until the 500 px limit 20101127 12:07:38-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-179-130.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20101127 12:07:48< Ivanovic> mordante: for the text i'd say that there should be enough space to display at least some 80 chars 20101127 12:08:21< mordante> yeah the text has a fixed width, don't know the exact value and still half afk to cook 20101127 12:08:41< Ivanovic> mordante: since you know the gui stuff quite well: do you think it possible to make the fontsize stuff somehow translateable? 20101127 12:08:46-!- silene [~plouf@wesnoth/developer/silene] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 12:08:56< Ivanovic> got some comments from asian translators that for their langs the fonts are displayed too tiny 20101127 12:09:43< Ivanovic> (which is in theory no problem, they don't need as much width as ascii langs, so enough width should be available for a higher font size, though height might get problematic at some places) 20101127 12:18:01-!- loonybot [~loonybot@ppp79-139-137-48.pppoe.spdop.ru] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 12:18:01-!- loonybot [~loonybot@ppp79-139-137-48.pppoe.spdop.ru] has quit [Changing host] 20101127 12:18:01-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 12:19:07-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 12:19:23-!- andreipar [~andreipar@109.96.20.12] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 12:21:05-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-179-130.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 12:35:02-!- andreipar [~andreipar@109.96.20.12] has quit [] 20101127 12:45:24< Ivanovic> anyway, i am off for a while (possibly all of the day, not sure yet), cu 20101127 12:50:06-!- EdB [~edb@tss37-1-89-84-18-220.dsl.club-internet.fr] has left #wesnoth-dev ["Konversation terminated!"] 20101127 13:30:08-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-179-130.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20101127 13:39:41-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@dsl54020F49.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20101127 13:40:11-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@dsl54020F49.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 13:42:44-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-179-130.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 13:43:19-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@71-10-224-192.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 13:44:25-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-158-44-235.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 20101127 13:44:38-!- xenocratus01 [xenocratus@79.117.45.18] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 13:44:50-!- Grimling [~Grimling@91.181.77.29] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 13:51:39-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 13:57:27-!- MeccaGod [MeccaGod@h14n4fls31o279.telia.com] has quit [] 20101127 14:01:45-!- grzywacz [~grzywacz@89.78.180.180] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 14:01:45-!- grzywacz [~grzywacz@89.78.180.180] has quit [Changing host] 20101127 14:01:45-!- grzywacz [~grzywacz@wesnoth/developer/grzywacz] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 14:40:33-!- Gambit [~Gambit@67.232.229.73] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 14:40:33-!- Gambit [~Gambit@67.232.229.73] has quit [Changing host] 20101127 14:40:33-!- Gambit [~Gambit@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 14:45:05-!- Upth [~ogmar@adsl-75-26-165-62.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20101127 14:45:11-!- Upth [~ogmar@adsl-75-26-173-58.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 14:45:27-!- Upthorn [ogmar@75.26.165.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20101127 14:45:43-!- Upthorn [ogmar@adsl-75-26-173-58.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 14:47:14< zookeeper> silene, got some time? 20101127 14:53:12-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 14:55:42-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20101127 15:03:03-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 15:05:05< silene> zookeeper: yes 20101127 15:10:30< zookeeper> silene, ok, i just wanted to ask if you'd like to implement one hopefully trivial thing... 20101127 15:10:47< zookeeper> AFAICT, in builder.cpp:750, all the rotations for a given rule are applied 20101127 15:11:32< zookeeper> now, what i'd like is that rotations with a special value (like "skip" or "0") are skipped 20101127 15:12:29< silene> i don't understand; if you don't want a rotation, don't put it there 20101127 15:12:58< zookeeper> it's not possible; if i have rotations=n,se,sw then those aren't "every other rotation", only the first three 20101127 15:13:25< zookeeper> so i'd need to be able to do rotations=n,skip,se,skip,sw,skip 20101127 15:13:28< silene> really? that's dumb 20101127 15:13:39< zookeeper> yeah, tell be about it... :p 20101127 15:13:43-!- xenocratus01 [xenocratus@79.117.45.18] has quit [] 20101127 15:14:00< zookeeper> at least that's how i've determined it to work. if the code says otherwise then i've simply missed something... 20101127 15:14:03-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 15:15:00< silene> no, you may be right, i see a "rot.size() == 6" later on 20101127 15:17:29< zookeeper> so would adding my feature be a case of just adding an if inside the for loop at builder.cpp:750? 20101127 15:17:54< Grimling> Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong in this piece of code? When I execute it, ai_t->side() in the first loop gives another value than ai_t->side() after the loops, when I initialize ai_t it gives a segmentation fault http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/Z6Y7ziu7 20101127 15:18:45< silene> Grimling: you can't use the address of a cell after the vector has been modified 20101127 15:19:04< silene> zookeeper: i doubt it, and i must admit i don't understand the code 20101127 15:20:20-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 15:20:38< Grimling> silene: how can I access the address of the value at fake_teams[fake_teams.size() - 1] 20101127 15:21:16< zookeeper> silene, okay 20101127 15:21:29< silene> Grimling: the same way you do it now, but do it only when you are sure the vector will never be modified again 20101127 15:21:43< zookeeper> boucman seemed to agree that it's probably easy to add, but he doesn't have time to do it himself yet so i figured i'd ask someone else 20101127 15:22:10< Grimling> silene: so storing the index in an integer and after the loop, making the pointer? 20101127 15:22:34< silene> zookeeper: the rotation names seem to be used to perform @R replacement; so if you put skip in one of the values, it will break all the rotations, not just the skipped one; at least that's how i understand the code 20101127 15:22:41< silene> Grimling: for instance 20101127 15:24:36< silene> zookeeper: by the way, you may already try putting skip there; the engine should just ignore them since it won't find the corresponding tiles 20101127 15:24:53< silene> at least it will tell us if it is a trivial change or not 20101127 15:25:41< Grimling> silene: thanks 20101127 15:26:26< zookeeper> silene, hmm....right, that's true, i think 20101127 15:26:34< zookeeper> or not 20101127 15:26:38< zookeeper> let me think for a bit :P 20101127 15:27:13< silene> zookeeper: anyway, either it works and it works, or it doesn't and it's past my competence 20101127 15:30:00< zookeeper> silene, well, okay, don't worry about it then. i'm pretty sure there was a specific reason why just putting skip there now didn't work right, but i can't really remember it now 20101127 15:32:32< zookeeper> i think it was related to rules which only set flags on certain tiles without placing images: you might want to only place the flags for certain rotations, but unless you also place images there's no way to skip certain rotations...at least not without using an invisible image 20101127 15:33:04< zookeeper> (that is, an invisible image for the rotations you want to use and a non-existant image for the ones you don't) 20101127 15:39:46< zookeeper> actually my suggestion might not be a good one anyway. the @R values for the skipped rotations might still be needed for the imagename building. 20101127 15:40:06< zookeeper> so, yeah, let's scrap that idea. 20101127 15:43:43-!- GNUtoo|laptop [~gnutoo@host31-144-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 15:57:10-!- GeorgeSebastian [~GeorgeSeb@218.248.84.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20101127 15:57:32-!- GeorgeSebastian [~GeorgeSeb@218.248.84.87] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 16:06:13-!- Aurora_ [48df48f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.223.72.240] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 16:10:08-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-179-130.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20101127 16:10:08-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20101127 16:12:36-!- rigved [~rigved@116.72.163.243] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 16:13:18-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 16:16:28< Aurora_> Where do I find the saved plays on my system? (Mac OS X) 20101127 16:27:03< Gambit> Aurora_: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EditingWesnoth#Where_is_my_game_data_directory.3F 20101127 16:35:33< Ivanovic> re 20101127 16:39:11-!- KenuR [~KenuR@cm-84.215.78.31.getinternet.no] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 16:40:11-!- GeorgeSebastian [~GeorgeSeb@218.248.84.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20101127 16:41:16-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20101127 16:41:37< KenuR> hi I am playtesting The Eastern Invasion for google code-in and it says on the wesnoth website that I have to submit a package with end of scenario savegames, so do I have to submit the replay of the scenario or what? 20101127 16:43:07< KenuR> and I have to submit all bugs to bugs.wesnoth.org but when I try that, it says that i am not a member of the project 20101127 16:48:49< AI0867> the replay contains all of that 20101127 16:49:11< KenuR> ok thanx and what about the bugs? 20101127 16:49:26< AI0867> you shouldn't need to register 20101127 16:49:44< AI0867> but registering isn't a bad idea anyway 20101127 16:50:10< Ivanovic> KenuR: you can submit bugs without being a project member 20101127 16:51:49< KenuR> i tried that... 20101127 16:52:09< KenuR> ok I'll try again 20101127 16:53:16-!- rigved [~rigved@116.72.163.243] has quit [Quit: Bye] 20101127 16:54:52< Ivanovic> KenuR: under bugs->report (or something like this, just got the german version over here) 20101127 16:55:09< Ivanovic> just make sure to enter all things that are required and it should work 20101127 16:58:17< AI0867> submit, probabaly 20101127 16:58:22< AI0867> s/babaly/bably 20101127 17:04:14-!- KenuR [~KenuR@cm-84.215.78.31.getinternet.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20101127 17:05:57< zookeeper> where exactly does it say that one should supply end-of-scenario savefiles? i'm not finding it 20101127 17:06:55< zookeeper> oh, ok, found it 20101127 17:07:52< CIA-86> ivanovic * r47726 /trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): updated Finnish translation 20101127 17:08:03< zookeeper> considering that IIRC replays are still mostly broken (?), saving replays might not be very useful... 20101127 17:08:25< Ivanovic> a normal savegame at the end should include the replay anyway 20101127 17:08:54< zookeeper> yes 20101127 17:12:40-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 17:19:25-!- vcap_ [~vcap@AReims-551-1-97-64.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 17:20:24-!- vcap [~vcap@AReims-551-1-52-83.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20101127 17:20:35-!- vcap_ is now known as vcap 20101127 17:25:27< mordante> Ivanovic, in gui1 the sizes are hardcoded in the binary for gui2 not sure what the config class does with it 20101127 17:25:49< mordante> but still we would have two font sizes as long as gui2 isn't finished yet 20101127 17:26:01< mordante> which probably will take a while 20101127 17:27:42< Ivanovic> mordante: yeah, no way around this 20101127 17:28:49< Ivanovic> the main question is: it is possible to do so (in gui2) at all 20101127 17:29:02< mordante> so personally I think it would be better to look at it when we move to gui2 or move the gui1 part to a config file 20101127 17:29:05< Ivanovic> and beside this: will it create additional problems 20101127 17:29:43< mordante> not sure I read something from a config and let the config change it to an unsigned 20101127 17:30:15< mordante> not sure whether the config can do the change (I expect it will but will need to test) 20101127 17:33:48< mordante> it won't work, marking the size as translatable string fails 20101127 17:40:46< mordante> Ivanovic, ^ 20101127 17:48:25-!- rigved [~rigved@116.72.163.243] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 17:48:51-!- rigved [~rigved@116.72.163.243] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20101127 18:10:14< Ivanovic> okay 20101127 18:26:20-!- Bocom_ [~Bocom@c-8dcde255.013-31-6b736412.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20101127 18:26:34-!- Bocom_ [~Bocom@c-8dcde255.013-31-6b736412.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 18:32:44-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20101127 18:44:07-!- stikonas [~and@bcm-131-111-247-113.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 18:44:07-!- stikonas [~and@bcm-131-111-247-113.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Changing host] 20101127 18:44:07-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 18:56:12< Grimling> I'm making a new AI recruitment algorithm for the GCI, what's the best way to test it? I've just let my AI play 2 players in the same team against a team of 2 players with the default AI, but maybe there's a better way to test it? 20101127 19:02:31< Gambit> esr: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=32295&p=467053#p467053 20101127 19:02:37< Gambit> (does esr read logs?) 20101127 19:07:12< fendrin> Gambit: No, never. 20101127 19:07:45< Gambit> damn 20101127 19:07:59< Gambit> Forum PM? 20101127 19:08:18< fendrin> Gambit: Fill a bug report against wmllint and assign it to him. That is the best way to get it processed. 20101127 19:08:36< Gambit> Ah. Okay thanks. 20101127 19:15:38-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 181 bugs, 298 feature requests, 20 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! 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want further changes 20101127 21:55:51-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20101127 22:01:27< shadowmaster> mordante: we might need to set a max width for some GUI2 dialogs since things such as this are rather difficult to read: http://shadowm.rewound.net/gui2width.png 20101127 22:02:45-!- Guest89517 is now known as Espreon 20101127 22:02:53-!- Espreon [~espreon@ai0867.net] has quit [Changing host] 20101127 22:02:53-!- Espreon [~espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 22:03:16< zookeeper> mordante, yeah, i'll try it out right away 20101127 22:03:38< mordante> shadowmaster, that dialog doesn't seem to have a limit but the normal message text has a width limit of 675 pixels 20101127 22:04:22< mordante> but we could also add that limit to other dialogs 20101127 22:04:31< mordante> just need to see what looks good 20101127 22:04:35< shadowmaster> okay, I guess I need to figure out which dialog that is. 20101127 22:04:44< mordante> the campaign dialog also has a maximum width 20101127 22:05:33-!- Grimling_ [~Grimling@91.181.77.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20101127 22:06:27< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r47728 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: Replace old flower tiles with some overlays in the test scenario 20101127 22:06:43< zookeeper> mordante, ok, now the portraits are drawn at full 400x400 but the text is much further right 20101127 22:06:55< zookeeper> or is there a fixed amount of padding between the portrait and the text? 20101127 22:07:31< mordante> zookeeper, there's a fixed amount, also some portraits have an extra transparent area on their right 20101127 22:08:33< mordante> shadowmaster, quite sure it's transient_message 20101127 22:08:37< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r47729 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/ (message.cfg transient_message.cfg): Try setting a maximum width of 800px for GUI2 message/transient_message windows 20101127 22:08:45< shadowmaster> yeah, I already figured it out. 20101127 22:09:02< mordante> guess you did ;-) 20101127 22:09:19< zookeeper> mordante, this is what i get now: http://imagebin.org/125101 20101127 22:10:02< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/gui2width_1.png appears to look nicer to me than the old unlimited width but I guess I might as well start a thread in the forum requesting comments fom the art people 20101127 22:10:07-!- Grimling [~Grimling@91.181.77.29] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 22:10:40< Espreon> Hmmmm... 20101127 22:10:49< shadowmaster> of course I also need to poke Espreon so he adds some newlines in that objectives text 20101127 22:11:01< Espreon> shadowmaster: Of course... 20101127 22:11:22< Espreon> I was going to completely rewrite that text, BTW. 20101127 22:11:44< shadowmaster> it's a good test case for me anyway 20101127 22:12:38< Espreon> Glad that you find it useful. 20101127 22:12:40< mordante> zookeeper, it has space for 500 pixels and the image itself has 100 pixels of nothing on the right 20101127 22:13:37< mordante> zookeeper, so it looks as designed ... the question is do you like the design 20101127 22:13:39< zookeeper> mordante, what would happen if the portrait was 500px wide? the text would appear at the same location? 20101127 22:16:27< zookeeper> anyway, i can try to play with the WML, however i'm not familiar with it at all... is that the formula language that's used? 20101127 22:18:10< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r47730 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: Convert quotes in test scenario 20101127 22:19:20< mordante> zookeeper, yes 20101127 22:19:47< mordante> zookeeper, but as said that's how it's designed at the moment, it would be possible to change it 20101127 22:20:27< mordante> and it indeed uses the formula language 20101127 22:21:40< zookeeper> maybe eleazzaar would like to come up with a magical formula for how the placement and scaling should work exactly when he comes out of hibernation... 20101127 22:22:25< mordante> probably changing the spacer at line 342 to width = ({__GUI_IMAGE_DISPLAYED_WIDTH} + some_offset_value) would do the trick 20101127 22:23:14< mordante> and then change line 473 as well to use {__GUI_IMAGE_DISPLAYED_WIDTH} 20101127 22:23:31< mordante> also not sure whether that magic offset is really needed maybe not 20101127 22:26:24-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20101127 22:28:56-!- Aurora_ [48df48f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.223.72.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20101127 22:31:23-!- Grimling [~Grimling@91.181.77.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20101127 22:35:01-!- wajimba [~Andrew_Ah@71-10-76-57.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 22:36:46< wajimba> Anyone know how close Kyle is to an Android port? 20101127 22:38:05-!- Grimling [~Grimling@91.181.77.29] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 22:38:31-!- Aurora [48df48f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.223.72.240] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20101127 22:39:21-!- ancestral 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