--- Log opened Sun Nov 28 00:00:19 2010
20101128 00:00:23< zookeeper> i can't even figure out the syntax for anything i'd like to try
20101128 00:00:58< zookeeper> the game just dies almost immediately on startup with some arbitrary-looking error message
20101128 00:01:00< shadowmaster> the WML message dialog config is a very special case.
20101128 00:01:08< zookeeper> oh?
20101128 00:01:26< shadowmaster> that is, I haven't needed to use those obscure macros and formulas in other dialogs
20101128 00:01:57< zookeeper> well, that's good to hear
20101128 00:04:57< Gambit> (is GUI2WML able to use variables?)
20101128 00:06:58< shadowmaster> yes and no.
20101128 00:07:15< shadowmaster> the variables need to be defined by the C++ code IIRC.
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20101128 03:20:45< Aurora> Where is Crab_ when you need him?
20101128 03:21:41< shadowmaster> sleeping, most likely
20101128 03:22:47< Aurora> SLEEP IS FOR WEAK PEOPLE!
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20101128 03:25:41< joo> I have a bug report.
20101128 03:25:42< joo> http://pastebin.com/w8Bhs0tx
20101128 03:26:13< joo> I was playing multiplayer LoW, chapter 2, scenario 1, in 1.9.2
20101128 03:26:30< joo> And I got this message as soon as the game started
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20101128 05:50:39< reid_> How do I submit my converted WML files?
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20101128 06:28:00< rid_wnr> any devs?
20101128 06:28:43< shadowmaster> only me, but I'm not familiarized with the way the Google Code-in participants are supposed to submit their contribs, assuming it's not via the usual channels.
20101128 06:30:31< un214> well I submit contribs
20101128 06:30:41< un214> been awhile though
20101128 06:31:03< shadowmaster> un214: uh, "assuming it's not via the usual channels"
20101128 06:31:19< shadowmaster> that is, I don't know if Code-in participants are supposed to submit regular patches or not.
20101128 06:31:25< shadowmaster> Espreon ?
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20101128 06:32:22< Espreon> shadowmaster: I wouldn't know; the only completed task I made involved making a report. I'd say he'd have to submit patches.
20101128 06:32:32< un214> 💡 
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20101128 09:11:18< mordante> servus
20101128 09:11:32< Espreon> Ic grete þe.
20101128 09:11:40< mordante> hi Espreon 
20101128 09:13:08< mordante> shadowmaster, Gambit gui2 can use some engine defined variables, the rest it uses the formula language 
20101128 09:13:59< mordante> zookeeper, the formula language makes it indeed a bit cryptic 
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20101128 10:39:48< Ivanovic> moin
20101128 10:44:43< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20101128 10:51:41< CIA-28> espreon * r47731 /trunk/data/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Deprecated ITM_GLOWING_BRAZIER.
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20101128 10:58:09< CIA-28> espreon * r47732 /trunk/changelog: Updated the changelog.
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20101128 10:59:08< Ivanovic> hi iwaim
20101128 10:59:30< Ivanovic> iwaim___: you got my mail regarding the stuff that is currently missing in the japanese translation task?
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20101128 11:35:59< CIA-28> espreon * r47733 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (4 files in 3 dirs): ANIMATED_BRAZIER doesn't work in [event]s...
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20101128 14:28:48< bender96> Hello
20101128 14:29:59< Grimling> hi
20101128 14:31:07< bender96> I'd like to know Crab_'s e-mail. I have an update for wmllint which I changed in the Google Code-In task
20101128 14:31:28< Grimling> bender96: you can send it as a PM over the forum
20101128 14:32:17< bender96> Ok, thank you. I haven't been there yet.
20101128 14:32:40< Grimling> bender96: his account name  is Crab (without the underscore)
20101128 14:33:42< Grimling> bender96: if it's your definitive submit, you can do it at google-melange.com
20101128 14:36:40< bender96> The task is already (successfully) closed, so I can't submit anything there. And I don't see a way to send a document directly to Crab via google-melange interface.
20101128 14:37:11< bender96> Anyway I have just registered on the forum and I send a PM to him.
20101128 14:40:42< bender96> thank you
20101128 14:40:44< bender96> bye
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20101128 16:58:38< CIA-28> silene * r47736 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (grid.cpp grid.hpp list.cpp): Removed unused function gui2::tgrid::set_single_child.
20101128 16:58:39< CIA-28> silene * r47737 /trunk/src/ (side_filter.cpp side_filter.hpp): Removed copy operators for side_filter.
20101128 16:58:42< CIA-28> silene * r47738 /trunk/src/ (side_filter.cpp side_filter.hpp): Removed unused function side_filter::get_teams.
20101128 16:58:46< CIA-28> silene * r47739 /trunk/src/ (side_filter.cpp side_filter.hpp): Removed unused function side_filter::to_config.
20101128 16:58:47< CIA-28> silene * r47740 /trunk/src/addon/ (validation.cpp validation.hpp): Removed unused function find_scripts.
20101128 16:58:48< CIA-28> silene * r47741 /trunk/src/server/ (game.cpp game.hpp): Removed unused function wesnothd::game::find_user.
20101128 16:58:50< CIA-28> silene * r47742 /trunk/src/server/ (player_network.cpp player_network.hpp): Removed unused function wesnothd::find_user.
20101128 16:58:51< CIA-28> silene * r47743 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (scrollbar_container.cpp scrollbar_container.hpp): Removed unused functions gui2::tscrollbar_container::*_scrollbar_click.
20101128 16:59:02< CIA-28> silene * r47744 /trunk/src/editor/ (editor_controller.cpp editor_controller.hpp): Removed unused function editor::editor_controller::get_brush.
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20101128 17:12:01< bender96> Hello!
20101128 17:13:03< Grimling> bender96: hi
20101128 17:13:12< bender96> How [avoid] section should be correctly converted? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Customizing_AI_in_Wesnoth_1.8#AI_goals_.28_via_.5Bgoal.5D_tags_.29 suggests "AI_SIMPLE_ALWAYS_ASPECT_VALUE avoid" and  "MODIFY_AI_ADD_ASPECT 2 avoid"
20101128 17:13:45< bender96> which one should be used and in which conditions?
20101128 17:14:36< bender96> The latter variant seems to be more complex than the former
20101128 17:17:03< bender96> Can the former variant be used when there're few [avoid] sections for an AI side?
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20101128 19:15:38-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 199 bugs, 298 feature requests, 22 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20101128 19:17:03< Rhonda> 11 new bugs? wtf?
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20101128 19:47:46< mordante> guess some people started mass filing ...
20101128 19:48:06< mordante> but I'm off now, bye
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20101128 19:52:25 * Espreon wishes Crab_ were around
20101128 19:55:14< Grimling> Espreon: you too? :p
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20101128 19:58:22< Espreon> Grimling: Uh, yeah... I need to ask him about mass uploading of tasks for you partakers...
20101128 19:59:08< Espreon> Lots of fun shall be had once my tasks have been uploaded...
20101128 19:59:26< Grimling> Espreon: what kind of tasks? or can't you tell that?
20101128 20:00:22< Espreon> More WML-related tasks.
20101128 20:00:46< Espreon> ... converting events to custom events...
20101128 20:00:58< Espreon> ... to make testing easier.
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20101128 20:02:23< Espreon> Grimling: Sounds like fun?
20101128 20:02:48< Grimling> Espreon: I haven't done anything with WML yet, so I don't know
20101128 20:04:29< xenocratus01> Espreon: yup, sounds like (more) fun
20101128 20:04:37< Espreon> Excellent...
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20101128 20:15:07< Espreon> wesbot: bug 17195
20101128 20:15:08< wesbot> Bug #17195  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 1 - Later
20101128 20:15:08< wesbot> Summary: Please add an option to disable automatic moving
20101128 20:15:08< wesbot> Original submission: At the beginning of a human player's turn, there's a chan
20101128 20:15:11< wesbot> ce that units will be moved to random locations. Sometimes, this can get really 
20101128 20:15:14< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?17195
20101128 20:20:49 * Espreon wonders what happened to alink
20101128 20:20:57< Espreon> wesbot: seen alink ?
20101128 20:20:57< wesbot> Espreon: The person with the nick alink last spoke 28d 1h ago.  28d ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Remote host closed the connection
20101128 20:21:00< Espreon> ...
20101128 20:22:22< grzywacz> Life?
20101128 20:25:28< Espreon> grzywacz: What are you talking about? This is life.
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20101128 20:39:19< Kiith-Sa> hi people, new person here
20101128 20:40:32< Kiith-Sa> I'm mostly coding graphics, got Wesnoth from SVN, looking over the source to get a basic idea about how video code works
20101128 20:41:57< Kiith-Sa> I'm hoping to eventually write an OGL renderer, but can't promise anything, just doing this out of boredom
20101128 20:43:11< Kiith-Sa> so, anyway, are there any OGL efforts underway at the moment? I've seen something in the wiki that seemed to be long dead and an OGL branch on SVN but it appears nothing's going on there
20101128 20:43:34< Kiith-Sa> (right now I'm just trying to locate all code that has to do with drawing)
20101128 20:44:25< silene> Kiith-Sa: the opengl branch in the repository is more or less uptodate, i suggest looking there
20101128 20:48:23< CIA-28> anonymissimus * r47745 /trunk/data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/05_Orc_War.cfg: clear status.poisoned for Darken Volk (bug #17190)
20101128 20:49:42< CIA-28> anonymissimus * r47746 /trunk/data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/04_Beginning_of_the_Revenge.cfg: made objectives clearer (bug #17189)
20101128 20:50:46< Kiith-Sa> ok, now I see there is actually something going on there, will read, thanks
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20101128 20:59:35< anonymissimus> flood of micro bugs at gna :P
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20101128 21:17:23< reid_> How do I submit a patch?
20101128 21:18:02< Soliton> go to patches.wesnoth.org
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20101128 21:19:54< Soliton> anonymissimus: why did you mark bug #17142 as invalid, did not close it and assign it to me?
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20101128 21:28:20< stikonas> r
20101128 21:34:02< anonymissimus> Soliton: what should I have done in your opinion ?
20101128 21:35:14< Soliton> anonymissimus: nothing | marked as invalid + closed + an explanation of why
20101128 21:38:56< Soliton> http://gna.org/bugs/?17154  anything useful we can do with a report like this?
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20101128 21:39:58< anonymissimus> imho no :P
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20101128 21:43:27< Soliton> http://gna.org/bugs/?17176  how is this a bug report at all?
20101128 21:43:46< Gambit_> AToTB?
20101128 21:43:53< Soliton> two brothers
20101128 21:44:00< Gambit_> Ah
20101128 21:45:27< Soliton> the following report is similar confusing.
20101128 21:46:24< Soliton> and duplicate reports, too...
20101128 21:46:40< anonymissimus> not duplicate; they differ slightly :P
20101128 21:47:17< anonymissimus> I've filtered out some og the more sueful reports from that report flood
20101128 21:48:53< anonymissimus> i suggest that http://gna.org/bugs/?17180 should simply be marked wont fix
20101128 21:49:17< anonymissimus> no need to deal with such micro things
20101128 21:49:39< Soliton> 17181 as well.
20101128 21:49:59< Soliton> and you can close invalid bugs.
20101128 21:50:12< zookeeper2> anonymissimus, i don't think things should be wont fix just because they're micro, but of course there needs to be a proper suggestion of how to fix them.
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20101128 21:51:16< Soliton> there is no suggestion in any of those reports i've seen.
20101128 21:51:30< anonymissimus> zookeeper: well then go into the c++ code and try to fix it
20101128 21:51:35< Soliton> which is why it's hard to tell what the bug is supposed to be in many of them.
20101128 21:52:05< anonymissimus> its better than letting the bug lie around in ufrcifrf state
20101128 21:52:24< anonymissimus> undiced I wanted to say, omg
20101128 21:52:43< zookeeper> anonymissimus, does it make sense to mark bugs as wont fix just because we don't know if anyone's gonna fix it right away?
20101128 21:52:47< Soliton> undecided*
20101128 21:53:20< Soliton> well, zookeeper is right but those reports really are not worth much.
20101128 21:53:32< zookeeper> agreed ;)
20101128 21:53:38< anonymissimus> sorry for me spelling bad, always...
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20101128 22:01:04< reid_> How do a submit a patch?
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20101128 22:02:18< Soliton> have you visited patches.wesnoth.org?
20101128 22:02:24< Espreon> reid_: Go to patches.wesnoth.org, point to "Patches" and choose "Submit"
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20101128 22:17:56< Soliton> anonymissimus: that DID ghould dialog just happens when you go near the swamp, i think.
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20101128 22:19:15< Soliton> anonymissimus: i'm pretty sure the poster did not consent in #17142. ;-)
20101128 22:19:36< Soliton> (i don't mind the closing though since i'm sure he is confused...)
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20101128 22:25:43< Soliton> zookeeper: mind making comments about the terrain blending bugs? unless those are actually useful.
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20101128 22:31:41< reid_> I'm getting this error when I try to create a patch: svn: '.' is not a working copy
20101128 22:32:19< Espreon> reid_: You have to be in your SVN chedckout.
20101128 22:32:22< Espreon> *checkout
20101128 22:32:58< reid_> i'm in the root of the project 
20101128 22:33:23< zookeeper> Soliton, eleazzaar knows about it, IIRC intends to fix them at some point..
20101128 22:33:24< Soliton> did you check it out with svn?
20101128 22:33:34< reid_> but I didn't use svn to download the source, I just downloaded it.
20101128 22:33:51< Soliton> then you cannot use svn to make a patch.
20101128 22:33:51< Espreon> reid_: Then you'll have to create the patch with a different method.
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20101128 22:34:08< Soliton> diff the files you changed with the originals.
20101128 22:34:26< Soliton> or just use svn.
20101128 22:35:08< reid_> what is the svn url, i'll just redownload it with svn checkout.
20101128 22:35:55< Soliton> see svn.wesnoth.org
20101128 22:35:57< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=467170#p467170 ... Oh, I just love how easily this could be solved.
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20101128 22:37:16< Grimling> Crab_:hi
20101128 22:37:20< Crab_> hi
20101128 22:37:23< Espreon> zookeeper: Let's just have him create a WC during the start event or something...
20101128 22:37:31< reid_> I know, i'm asking here because I was having problems last time, which is why I just downloaded it.
20101128 22:37:42< Grimling> Crab_:I've sent my code in a PM
20101128 22:37:52< Grimling> Crab_: can you give comments please?
20101128 22:38:26< Crab_> ok, I'll take a look at it now (just returned home)
20101128 22:38:49< Grimling> Crab_: thank you
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20101128 22:53:58< Crab_> Grimling: compiling at the moment, this will take some time
20101128 22:54:20< Crab_> overall, looks ok but I need to see how it works for myself
20101128 22:54:29< Grimling> Crab_: of course
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20101128 22:54:51< Crab_> on the coding side, a minor note - you can use wesnoth's logging framework to output stuff instead of using std::cout and std::cerr
20101128 22:55:13< Grimling> Crab_: and were can I see the logs when I use them?
20101128 22:56:56< Espreon> Crab_: Did you get my message?
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20101128 22:57:40< Crab_> Grimling: the end up on stderr. it's moved to file on windows, and can be seen on console on *nix. to see them, use command-line switches like '--log-debug', '--log-error', '--log-warning'
20101128 22:57:52< Crab_> Grimling: if you run wesnoth --logdomains, you will see a list of all logdomains
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20101128 22:58:53< Crab_> for example, at the start of the recruitment file, there is http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/VqU5DjKy
20101128 22:59:06< Grimling> Crab_: ok, I'll use them in the future
20101128 22:59:41< Crab_> Grimling: so, if you output stuff like LOG_AI << "something"  , and use --log-info='ai/ca/testing_recruitment' or --log-debug='ai/ca/testing_recruitment' , you will see them
20101128 23:00:00< Crab_> Grimling: you can even do things like --log-debug='ai/*' to see all the ai logs
20101128 23:00:09< Crab_> or specify several log domains where you need them
20101128 23:00:36< Crab_> to add a new logdomain, simply create a lg::log_domain object with the required name
20101128 23:01:19< Crab_> Grimling: if you want, you can study the implementation of the logging system as well, it's in the src/log.?pp files
20101128 23:01:47< Crab_> (if you want to see some c++ tricks, that is)
20101128 23:02:03< Grimling> Crab_: I'll take a look
20101128 23:02:13< Crab_> Espreon: looks like 'no'
20101128 23:02:20< Crab_> Espreon: where I should look for it ?
20101128 23:03:04< Espreon> Crab_: The logs.
20101128 23:03:19< Crab_> I'll take a look
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20101128 23:06:51< Crab_> Espreon: ok, I see. it's easy, just make an excel/gnumeric/whatever spreadsheet with all those tasks, according to http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/sCHuiYmJ
20101128 23:07:24< Crab_> then give that spreadsheet to one of the admins, they will mass add it
20101128 23:07:51< Crab_> notes: when mass adding, the admin would probably add 2-3 first rows first to check it out, then add the rest (there's no mass delete :) )
20101128 23:08:12< Crab_> notes: if you want, I can send you my spreadsheet for the AI parameters task
20101128 23:08:27< Crab_> notes: link to wiki page in the description field, that way you will be able to change the description in one place
20101128 23:08:36< Espreon> Crab_: Please do.
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20101128 23:17:33< Crab_> Espreon: ok, found the xls for the playtest tasks - ftp://ftp.terraninfo.net/wesnoth/gci_playtest.xls
20101128 23:18:06< Espreon> Crab_: Thanks.
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