--- Log opened Tue Dec 07 00:00:15 2010
--- Day changed Tue Dec 07 2010
20101207 00:00:15< Crab_> it would be a good thing if Chantal moved aside 1 hex to allow Konrad to step on the keep to recruit
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20101207 00:04:20< Crab_> Grimling: there are two ai parameters, 'passive_leader' and 'passive_leader_shares_keep'
20101207 00:04:45< Crab_> Grimling: their meaning is supposed to be as follows: if passive_leader is true, ai should not move/attack with the leader.
20101207 00:05:43< Crab_> however, if ( both passive_leader is true and passive_leader_shares_keep is true or if passive_leader is not true ) , ai should share the keep with allied leaders.
20101207 00:07:26< Crab_> the exact logic is something like 'just after my recruit, if there's my unit A (having moves left) standing on keep and there is allied leader who cannot, on his turn, reach a nearby keep but can reach the keep where A is standing and A has enough moves to move away from keep, move A away from keep.
20101207 00:08:04< Grimling> Crab_: with checking if the allied leader can recruit?
20101207 00:08:15< Crab_> leader = unit which can recruit
20101207 00:08:30< Crab_> so yes, checking for canrecruit=yes
20101207 00:08:32< Grimling> Crab_: I mean: he has enough money
20101207 00:08:38< Ivanovic> Crab_: i left a comment in the respective task
20101207 00:09:02< Crab_> Grimling: that would be extra good, yes (but check for current_gold+income, as well)
20101207 00:09:19< Grimling> Crab_: ok
20101207 00:09:19< Crab_> Chantal in HttT 1 is the best use case
20101207 00:09:34< Crab_> if it looks like a good task, I can create it now
20101207 00:09:58< Crab_> Chantal is '  passive_leader="yes"   passive_leader_shares_keep="yes"  '
20101207 00:10:14< Crab_> note that on her next turn, she must return to keep even through she's passive
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20101207 00:10:31< Grimling> Crab_: I'd like to do it as a task, but now I'm working at another one, but I don't think it will take long, it's just a tutorial that needs some review from the mentor
20101207 00:10:46< Crab_> also note that passive_leader is, afair, currently broken, fixing it can be a easy enough separate task
20101207 00:11:06< Crab_> Grimling: ok, ping me, I'll wait a few days, not a big problem.
20101207 00:11:15< Grimling> Crab_: thank you
20101207 00:11:27< Grimling> Crab_: what do you mean by broken? 
20101207 00:11:39< Grimling> Crab_: isn't it used correctly or something like that?
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20101207 00:12:20< Crab_> wesbot: bug 15861
20101207 00:12:20< wesbot> Bug #15861  Assigned to: Yurii Chernyi <crab>  Status: In Progress  Priority: 5 - Normal
20101207 00:12:23< wesbot> Summary: RCA Ignores "passive_leader"
20101207 00:12:26< wesbot> Original submission: The new AI seems to ignore the passive_leader keyword. If
20101207 00:12:29< wesbot>  you start a passive_leader not on a keep it will move itself to one. It didn't 
20101207 00:12:32< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?15861
20101207 00:12:42< Crab_> and , 
20101207 00:12:50< Crab_> wesbot: bug 16223
20101207 00:12:50< wesbot> Bug #16223  Assigned to: Yurii Chernyi <crab>  Status: In Progress  Priority: 5 - Normal
20101207 00:12:53< wesbot> Summary: passive_leader_shares_keep not working in HttT scenario Elves Besieged
20101207 00:12:56< wesbot> Original submission: I've noticed that while Chantal has the passive_leader_sh
20101207 00:12:59< wesbot> ares_keep key defined in [ai] tag, she doesn't move out of her keep to allow Kon
20101207 00:13:02< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?16223
20101207 00:13:11< Crab_> each of those is worth a GCI task
20101207 00:13:43< Crab_> those are easy enough, but a pre-requiresite for doing those, you must compile wesnoth (which you already did, so it's not a problem for you)
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20101207 06:36:24< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r47852 /trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
20101207 06:36:24< CIA-28> Withdraw LoW!Uradredia's portrait from HttT
20101207 06:36:24< CIA-28> [http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=32326]
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20101207 10:27:55< Ivanovic> moin
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20101207 11:28:57-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 194 bugs, 304 feature requests, 23 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20101207 12:04:06< Ivanovic> AI0867, Crab_, elias, Espreon, esr, euschn, fendrin, Soliton, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: how stable is trunk at the moment? is it in a releasable state so that i can get 1.9.3 out "really soon"?
20101207 12:05:39< Crab_> one of the playtesters reported some bugs in LoW that I want to check, so if it can wait 1 day, it'll be good.
20101207 12:09:32< Ivanovic> Crab_: okay, good to know
20101207 12:10:02< Crab_> ( where 'some bugs'  = 'some things almost totally f****d up' )
20101207 12:10:13< Ivanovic> outsch, that is bad
20101207 12:10:35< Crab_> and I can check today in the evening
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20101207 12:15:27< zookeeper> Ivanovic, i haven't been testing much lately...
20101207 12:15:43< zookeeper> there's some campaign bugs i need to deal with i guess but i don't know about overall stability
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20101207 12:47:07< Soliton> i've tried LoW MP some time ago.. that doesn't really work, but that's presumably not easy to fix. (and i haven't properly reported those bugs yet..)
20101207 12:48:08< Soliton> i'm not aware of any major bugs anyway.
20101207 12:49:37 * Ivanovic is currently composing a rather longish mail about future plans of releases (changing the cycle for 1.10, stuff like this)
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20101207 13:04:46< Ivanovic> mail sent
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20101207 13:20:23< zookeeper> to me the WB seems like a big question mark when thinking of 1.10. do people use it a lot? is it too complicated? etc.
20101207 13:22:16< esr> WB?
20101207 13:22:24< Ivanovic> whiteboard
20101207 13:22:43< esr> Uh, what's the whiteboard>
20101207 13:22:54< Ivanovic> one of the gsoc features
20101207 13:23:00< zookeeper> the planning mode
20101207 13:23:21< Ivanovic> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=31338&start=0&sid=98d83142ae08ba52080f1b1c07d376fb
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20101207 13:41:42< timotei> Ivanovic: is in gsoc (i've not seen any) any rule for not letting core developers to participate in a project in their organization?
20101207 13:41:44< timotei> like in code-in?
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20101207 14:02:02< Ivanovic> timotei: no, there is no such rule
20101207 14:02:28< timotei> ok
20101207 14:07:08< timotei> hmm, firefox runs fast with in-memory cache
20101207 14:07:19< timotei> but if it's opened for a long session, it's starting to hang
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20101207 16:13:39< fendrin> hi Crab_, please share your information about LoW bugs with me.
20101207 16:15:50< Crab_> fendrin: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GCI/Playtesting/Legend_of_Wesmere/Normal
20101207 16:17:30< fendrin> Crab_: That is on trunk?
20101207 16:17:51< Crab_> most likely, 1.9.2
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20101207 16:36:25< zookeeper> http://gna.org/bugs/?17176 - won't fix, i presume?
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20101207 16:41:44< zookeeper> i also don't know what drugs this guy is on: http://gna.org/bugs/?17206
20101207 16:42:12< zookeeper> hans doesn't appear in the intro dialogue, which happens during a start event so you can't possibly miss it like he claims...
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20101207 20:10:57< mordante> servus
20101207 20:12:39< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: I'm fine with a 1.9.3 release tomorrow
20101207 20:14:52< mordante> Ivanovic, I still plan to join the FOSDEM 
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20101207 20:32:27< Ivanovic> mordante: good
20101207 20:32:29< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: okay
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20101207 21:50:34< fabi> Soliton: Hello, what did fail when playing LoW MP?
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20101207 22:00:44< mordante> I'm off night
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20101207 22:31:29< zookeeper> urgh, now using a big portrait (lordbob's rithrandil at full size) in a message causes an assert...
20101207 22:34:21< iwontbecreative> Only 3 GCI tasks for wesnoth :(
20101207 22:35:04< iwontbecreative> And one that you can't claim, another one that is translationg into Lituanian :/
20101207 22:35:41< Crab_> iwontbecreative: yes, it's not good, but I think it's only temporary, and we'll add new tasks soon.
20101207 22:36:05< iwontbecreative> Crab_: May I know what kind of tasks ?
20101207 22:36:13< iwontbecreative> That thing about polishing campaigns ?
20101207 22:36:28< Crab_> I know about some WML related ones, yes, polishing campaigns. but there might be other tasks, as well.
20101207 22:37:16< iwontbecreative> That's nice :)
20101207 22:41:17< iwontbecreative> Btw, Crab, I fixed the very small patch I had done to convert the tutorial to new Ai syntax.
20101207 22:41:34< Crab_> ah, the tutorial :)
20101207 22:42:03< iwontbecreative> Also found some glitches in the tutorial
20101207 22:42:16< Ivanovic> iwontbecreative: if you got some ideas about possible tasks, just tell Crab_ and he might add those
20101207 22:42:20< iwontbecreative> But those may be a bit harder to fix for a non wml-litterate like me :P
20101207 22:42:42< Crab_> I guess I can create a task for the tutorial ai conversion
20101207 22:42:54< iwontbecreative> Well, translation tasks (I know there's a problem with getting active maintainers)
20101207 22:43:19< iwontbecreative> Wiki update tasks
20101207 22:43:46< Ivanovic> iwontbecreative: if you got some good idea, we can easily add it
20101207 22:43:51< iwontbecreative> Maybe a task about getting units.wesnoth to update
20101207 22:43:53< Ivanovic> and yeah, wiki update tasks do sound sane to me
20101207 22:44:06< Ivanovic> hmm, u.w.o would require some coordinating with elias
20101207 22:44:46< iwontbecreative>  They are also smaller things like balance the monsters of mainline
20101207 22:45:04< iwontbecreative> Like the big mudcrawler is 16 gold, I think it should be less.
20101207 22:45:31< iwontbecreative> But maybe this one could change many things in UMC and even in mainline
20101207 22:45:56< Ivanovic> IIRC monsters tend to almost never be recruitable units, so the gold value does not matter too much
20101207 22:46:03< Ivanovic> usually they are placed in events and the likes
20101207 22:47:02< iwontbecreative>  Ok, but should hte tentacle of the deep really be a lv1 ?
20101207 22:47:06< Crab_> iwontbecreative: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/wesnoth/t129175834715
20101207 22:47:12< iwontbecreative> It's not only about gold.
20101207 22:50:07< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r47853 /trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Convert the MP create game-set password dialog to GUI2
20101207 22:52:18< CIA-28> espreon * r47854 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/ (campaign_difficulty.cfg mp_create_game_set_password.cfg): Ran umcpropfix.
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20101207 22:56:42< zookeeper> Ivanovic, if you're tagging tomorrow, i guess it'll be at the usual time?
20101207 22:56:44< Grimling> Crab_: for the passive leader, in what file do I need to look? ca.cpp? (move_leader_to_keep_phase) ?
20101207 22:56:50< iwontbecreative> Crab_: I claimed that task so there's no duplicate work, but I just wanted to know if my patch looked right ;)
20101207 22:57:11< Crab_> Grimling: just fgrep the src/ai/ for passive_leader :)
20101207 22:57:26< Crab_> Grimling: and checkout the old (1.6) sources and take a look there, how it worked ages ago
20101207 22:57:38< Grimling> Crab_: ok
20101207 22:57:53< Crab_> for the passive_leader, we need to disallow 1) combat - that's ca.cpp, combat_phase 
20101207 22:58:13< Crab_> 2) disallow movement (except 'return to keep in case we've moved away from it')
20101207 22:58:24< Crab_> (for leaders - units which can recruit)
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20101207 22:59:30< Crab_> it's better to keep the leader able to move, but just fix some actions in ca.cpp and testing_move_to_targets.cpp to ignore leader if he/she is passive.
20101207 22:59:46< Crab_> that way, any custom lua/fai code will be able to move the leader nevertheless
20101207 23:00:11< Crab_> note that the 1.6 code was slightly different - it removed leader's moves and moved him by hand where required
20101207 23:01:25< iwontbecreative> In the tutorial, why does the fighter/fighteress doesn't have any xp bar ? And why is the xp needed for advancement in light blue if it can't advance ?
20101207 23:01:52< Crab_> Grimling: here http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/tags/1.7.13/src/ai/default/ai.cpp?revision=41147&view=markup
20101207 23:02:20< Crab_> it's old 1.6 ai, but a version of it from 1.7.13 which includes working passive_leader and passive_leader_shares_keep
20101207 23:02:29< Crab_> start at void ai_default::do_move() 
20101207 23:02:41< Grimling> Crab_: ok, thanks
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20101207 23:03:43< iwontbecreative> It leads to very confusing things
20101207 23:04:01< iwontbecreative> Like Konrad having 34/28 of xp required and nothing happening
20101207 23:04:37< Crab_> iwontbecreative:  check data/campaigns/tutorial/units
20101207 23:04:53< iwontbecreative> I looked
20101207 23:05:04< iwontbecreative> But I don't know well WML
20101207 23:05:16< iwontbecreative> I understand it, but couldn't say what's missing
20101207 23:05:20< Crab_> the unit types for heroes have xp defined (that's where experience=28 comes from)
20101207 23:05:30< Crab_> but they don't have a unit type to advance to
20101207 23:05:36< shadowmaster> Espreon: if you are going to break my dcommit sequence you could as well fix the new code files' properties
20101207 23:05:50< shadowmaster> and I mean the C++ code files
20101207 23:06:10< iwontbecreative> Crab_ That's weird...
20101207 23:06:35< shadowmaster> Espreon: as in, right now, before I start dcommitting again and I get interrupted in middle of the sequence and my commits go to hell
20101207 23:06:36< iwontbecreative> A beginner won't find this kind of behaviour anywhere else in the game...
20101207 23:06:49< Crab_> post a bug or bug zookeeper :)
20101207 23:06:59< Espreon> shadowmaster: Sorry, I just sshed into my account. I can't ssh into my account from metakraid anymore, for some reason.
20101207 23:07:31< Crab_> iwontbecreative: and, btw, do a            diff -u /wesnoth/data/campaigns/tutorial/units/Fighter.cfg /wesnoth/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/units/Fighter.cfg
20101207 23:07:33< shadowmaster> bad SSH key pair/username
20101207 23:07:38< shadowmaster> Espreon: 
20101207 23:07:44< iwontbecreative> Actually I also wanted to know why the xp bar is light blue...
20101207 23:07:52< Soliton> a better behaviour would probably be to set XP requirement to a very high value when there is nothing to advance to and show it as "-" in the GUI.
20101207 23:07:56< Espreon> shadowmaster: Why all the sudden would that be the problem?
20101207 23:08:23< shadowmaster> Espreon: because you need the correct keypair and username (either explicit or defined in the host-specific config) to connect?
20101207 23:08:36< shadowmaster> assuming your local username isn't the same in the remote
20101207 23:08:40< Espreon> I haven't fooled around with keys or passwords.
20101207 23:09:23< Crab_> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/Hdv4Mg5z
20101207 23:09:41< Crab_> iwontbecreative: ^ note      experience=28           +    advances_to=Commander 
20101207 23:09:50< Espreon> shadowmaster: Those files are fine.
20101207 23:09:57< Espreon> So, do whatever.
20101207 23:10:00< shadowmaster> amazing.
20101207 23:10:03< Crab_> iwontbecreative: so, we have told wesnoth about max experience of that unit, I guess that turns the xp bar light blue 
20101207 23:10:12< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r47855 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): GUI2: Replace a couple of cases of label with scroll_label to wrap long text
20101207 23:10:28< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r47856 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/simple_item_selector.cfg: 
20101207 23:10:28< CIA-28> GUI2: Set a max width for tsimple_item_selector
20101207 23:10:28< CIA-28> (These really need to be macroified...)
20101207 23:10:29< Crab_> iwontbecreative: but we haven't told the game about any possible advancements
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20101207 23:10:56< iwontbecreative> Crab_ : Arn't advancement inherited ?
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20101207 23:11:19< iwontbecreative> And as the commander is HttT only it isn't in the tutorial files
20101207 23:11:25< iwontbecreative> So it can't level ?
20101207 23:11:34< Crab_> iwontbecreative: commander in HttT and in tutorial are two different units
20101207 23:11:51< Crab_> iwontbecreative: totally different units. they just happen to be similar enough :)
20101207 23:12:14< Crab_> tutorial includes its own version, HttT includes its own version
20101207 23:12:36< iwontbecreative> Right
20101207 23:12:37< Crab_> the one in HttT has advancements, the one in tutorial hasn't got them (but has got max xp for whatever reason)
20101207 23:12:58< iwontbecreative> Well experience 28 is hardcoded
20101207 23:16:36< iwontbecreative> Crab_: Maybe it's because there's no "advances_to=null" ?
20101207 23:19:41< Crab_> iwontbecreative: yes, Lord in HttT has it. try adding and see what happens.
20101207 23:20:31< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r47859 /trunk/po/wesnoth-lib/es.po: Update Spanish translation
20101207 23:23:13< iwontbecreative> Crab_: Nope, will try to find what's the issue :)
20101207 23:23:39< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r47860 /trunk/po/wesnoth-editor/es.po: Update Spanish translation
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20101207 23:25:11< iwontbecreative> Crab_: Found the issue
20101207 23:25:30< iwontbecreative>  You must add advences_to=null and {AMLA_DEFAULT}
20101207 23:25:35< iwontbecreative> It fixes the bug
20101207 23:26:26< Soliton> s/fixes/works around/
20101207 23:26:56< shadowmaster> Espreon: https://gna.org/bugs/?17195 what is this supposed to mean and are you sure it isn't already solved by the Cancel orders checkbox in Load game?
20101207 23:28:11< iwontbecreative> Soliton: Does this means you shouldn't have to add this to get the xp bar purple ?
20101207 23:28:16< Espreon> shadowmaster: Sometimes, at the beginning of a player turn, some of the player's units will be moved to random locations.
20101207 23:28:22< Espreon> Also, I have no idea.
20101207 23:28:33< Espreon> I didn't even realize that checkbox existed.
20101207 23:28:33< Grimling> Crab_: suitable_keep, is that the nearest free keep?
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20101207 23:28:52< shadowmaster> Espreon: either you are describing a bug (not a misfeature), or you are missing the point of multiturn moves
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20101207 23:28:58< Soliton> iwontbecreative: yes!
20101207 23:29:29< Crab_> Grimling: /** get most suitable keep for leader - nearest free that can be reached in 1 turn, if none - return nearest occupied that can be reached in 1 turn, if none - return nearest keep, if none - return null_location */
20101207 23:29:32< Ivanovic> zookeeper: yeah, late afternoon/evening
20101207 23:29:35< Espreon> shadowmaster: OK, then tell me about these multiturn moves of which you speak.
20101207 23:29:49< shadowmaster> oh please
20101207 23:30:10< shadowmaster> I can't believe you don't know that you can order a unit to move across more hexes than it can do in one single turn?
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20101207 23:30:43< Grimling> Crab_: ok, thanks
20101207 23:31:01< Espreon> shadowmaster: ... ... ... This... is news to me.
20101207 23:31:08< iwontbecreative> Soliton: But all units use this work around
20101207 23:31:27< shadowmaster> https://gna.org/bugs/?16541 <- looks interesting to me.
20101207 23:31:40< iwontbecreative> Soliton: Even the core ones
20101207 23:31:56< Soliton> iwontbecreative: it's not a workaround for them it's how they're supposed to work...
20101207 23:32:08< shadowmaster> Espreon: older than 1.0.
20101207 23:32:37< Espreon> OK, is it documented? If so, where?
20101207 23:32:52< shadowmaster> sigh
20101207 23:33:03< iwontbecreative> Soliton: This means that the Fighter shouldn't have a normal AMLA ?
20101207 23:33:16< shadowmaster> Espreon: I have no idea, nor do I care.
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20101207 23:34:16< Soliton> iwontbecreative: it doesn't have one now and i don't see the point of adding one.
20101207 23:35:00< iwontbecreative> Soliton: Ok, the only thing I wanted to fix is the odd xp behaviour
20101207 23:35:03< shadowmaster> fabi: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?17234
20101207 23:35:20< iwontbecreative> For beginners 34/28 xp may looks weird
20101207 23:35:49< iwontbecreative> And also the light blue color for xp is meant to be for units with advancements
20101207 23:35:54< Soliton> iwontbecreative: 'a better behaviour would probably be to set XP requirement to a very high value when there is nothing to advance to and show it as "-" in the GUI.'
20101207 23:36:29< iwontbecreative> Soliton: This would fix the first bug of 34/28, but not the color, right ?
20101207 23:36:54< Soliton> no, it should fix the color as well.
20101207 23:39:14< iwontbecreative> Ok, so it's indeed the best solution :)
20101207 23:47:09< iwontbecreative> Soliton: But I guess this would require some C++ changes ?
20101207 23:47:29< Grimling> Crab_: is it good to add the code for preventing moving to a keep when an allied leader needs it, in the move_leader_to_keep_phase (ca.cpp)
20101207 23:47:32< Soliton> yes.
20101207 23:48:10< iwontbecreative> Ok, so I can't help for that :P
20101207 23:48:39< iwontbecreative> Is it usefull to report a bug for this ?
20101207 23:49:03< Soliton> more like a feature request IMO but sure.
20101207 23:49:22< Crab_> Grimling: no, we should move to keep, recruit, and then move away
20101207 23:49:40< Crab_> Grimling: that way, 2,3,4 leaders can share a single keep, if castle tiles are plentiful
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20101207 23:52:38< Grimling> Crab_: I'm off now, I'll look for it tomorrow
20101207 23:52:45< Crab_> ok
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20101207 23:52:50< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r47861 /trunk/ (changelog src/menu_events.cpp): Fix display of unit image mods in Status Table (bug #16285)
20101207 23:53:11< iwontbecreative> Soliton: Category should be UI, WML or units ?
20101207 23:53:25< iwontbecreative> I guess uniits but there's also some UI changes
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20101207 23:58:38< CIA-28> esr * r47862 /trunk/data/ (4 files in 4 dirs): wmlscope/wmllint cleanups. This caught one real bug in 6p_Team_Survival.cfg.
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